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Ralph Nader: ‘The Left Has Nowhere to Go’
Ralph Nader in a CNN poll a few days before the 2008 presidential election had an estimated 3 percent of the electorate, or about 4 million people, behind his candidacy. But once the votes were counted, his support dwindled to a little over 700,000. Nader believes that many of his supporters entered the polling booth and could not bring themselves to challenge the Democrats and Barack Obama. I suspect Nader is right. And this retreat is another example of the lack of nerve we must overcome if we are going to battle back against the corporate state. A vote for Nader or Green Party candidate Cynthia McKinney in 2008 was an act of defiance. A vote for Obama and the Democrats was an act of submission. We cannot afford to be submissive anymore.
"The more outrageous the Republicans become, the weaker the left becomes," Nader said when I reached him at his home in Connecticut on Sunday. "The more outrageous they become, the more the left has to accept the slightly less outrageous corporate Democrats."
Nader fears a repeat of the left's cowardice in the next election, a cowardice that has further empowered the lunatic fringe of the Republican Party, maintained the role of the Democratic Party as a lackey for corporations, and accelerated the reconfiguration of the country into a neo-feudalist state. Either we begin to practice a fierce moral autonomy and rise up in multiple acts of physical defiance that have no discernable short-term benefit, or we accept the inevitability of corporate slavery. The choice is that grim. The age of the practical is over. It is the impractical, those who stand fast around core moral imperatives, figures like Nader or groups such as Veterans for Peace, which organized the recent anti-war rally in Lafayette Park in Washington, which give us hope. If you were one of the millions who backed down in the voting booth in 2008, don't do it again. If you were one of those who thought about joining the Washington protests against the war where 131 of us were arrested and did not, don't fail us next time. The closure of the mechanisms within the power system that once made democratic reform possible means we stand together as the last thin line of defense between a civil society and its disintegration. If we do not engage in open acts of defiance, we will empower a radical right-wing opposition that will replicate the violence and paranoia of the state. To refuse to defy in every way possible the corporate state is to be complicit in our strangulation.
"The left has nowhere to go," Nader said. "Obama knows it. The corporate Democrats know it. There will be criticism by the left of Obama this year and then next year they will all close ranks and say ‘Do you want Mitt Romney? Do you want Sarah Palin? Do you want Newt Gingrich?' It's very predictable. There will be a year of criticism and then it will all be muted. They don't understand that even if they do not have any place to go, they ought to fake it. They should fake going somewhere else or staying home to increase the receptivity to their demands. But because they do not make any demands, they are complicit with corporate power.
"Corporate power makes demands all the time," Nader went on. "It pulls on the Democrats and the Republicans in one direction. By having this nowhere-to-go mentality and without insisting on demands as the price of your vote, or energy to get out the vote, they have reduced themselves to a cipher. They vote. The vote totals up. But it means nothing."
There is no major difference between a McCain administration, a Bush and an Obama administration. Obama, in fact, is in many ways worse. McCain, like Bush, exposes the naked face of corporate power. Obama, who professes to support core liberal values while carrying out policies that mock these values, mutes and disempowers liberals, progressives and leftists. Environmental and anti-war groups, who plead with Obama to address their issues, are little more than ineffectual supplicants.
Obama, like Bush and McCain, funds and backs our unending and unwinnable wars. He does nothing to halt the accumulation of the largest deficits in human history. The drones murder thousands of civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan, as they did under Bush and would have done under McCain. The private military contractors, along with the predatory banks and investment houses, suck trillions out of the U.S. Treasury as efficiently under Obama. Civil liberties, including habeas corpus, have not been restored. The public option is dead. The continuation of the Bush tax cuts, adding some $900 billion to the deficit, along with the reduction of individual contributions to Social Security, furthers a debt peonage that will be the excuse to privatize Social Security, slash social services and break the back of public service unions. Obama does not intercede as tens of millions of impoverished Americans face foreclosures and bankruptcies. The Democrats provide better cover. But the corporate assault is the same.
"Obama has the formula now," Nader said. "You give the Republicans a lot of what they want. Many of them vote for you. You get your Democrat percentage. You weave a hybrid victory. That is what he learned in the lame-duck session. He gets praised as being a statesman and a leader and getting things done. Think of all the rewards he can contemplate while he is in Hawaii compared to what they were saying about him on Nov. 5. All the columnists and pundits say that now he can work with John Boehner. But once you take a broader view, it is the difference in the mph of corporatism. McCain is 50 miles per hour and Obama is 40 miles per hour.
"The left has disemboweled itself," Nader said. "It doesn't even have a strategy every four years like a good poker player. The best example is Richard Trumka and the AFL-CIO. Obama has given them nothing. Therefore, they are demanding nothing. They huff and puff. They make tough speeches. But Trumka hasn't even made Obama's campaign pledge of a $9.50 minimum wage by this year an issue. If you want to increase consumer demand, what better way to do it than to unleash $300 billion in wages? The card check for unionization, which Obama pledged as his No. 1 sop to the labor unions, is dead. The unions do not even demand a hearing. And now wait till you see what they will do to the public employee unions. Part of it is their own fault. They are going to be crushed. Everybody is ganging up on them. You have new class warfare. It is non-unionized lower income and middle class taking it out on the unionized middle-income public employees. It is a classic example of oligarchic manipulation. It will start playing out big time in New York State with Andrew Cuomo and others. They will start saying, ‘Why are you getting this? Most workers who pay the taxes, who pay your salaries, are not getting this.' This plays."
The banishment from the corporate media, Nader argues, has been one of the major contributors to the demoralization and weakening of the left. Protests by the left, which get little national or local coverage, have steadily dwindled in strength across the country. The first protest gets little or no coverage and this leads to movements, as well as the voices of activists, being diminished and finally suffocated.
"The so-called liberal media, along with Fox, is touting the tea party and publicizing Palin," Nader said. "There was an editorial on Dec. 27 in The New York Times on the Repeal Amendment, the right-wing constitutional amendment to allow states to overturn federal law. The editorial writer at the end had the nerve to say there is no progressive champion. The editorial said that the liberals and progressives have faded out to let the tea party make history. And yet, for months, all The New York Times has done is promote Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck. They promote Newt Gingrich and the neocons on the Op-Ed pages. The book pages of the newspaper ignore progressive authors and pump all the right-wing authors.
"If we don't raise hell, we won't get any media," Nader said. "If we don't get any media, the perception will be that the tea party is the big deal.
"On one notorious Sunday, Oct. 10, two of The New York Times' segments led with a big story about Ann Coulter and how she will change her strategy because she is being outflanked by others," Nader said. "There was also a huge article on this anti-Semite against Arabs, this Islamaphobe, Pam Geller. Do you know how many pictures they had of Geller? Twenty on this front-page segment. The number of anti-war Op-Eds in The Washington Post over nine months in 2009 was 6-to-1 pro-war. We don't raise hell. We don't say Terry Gross is a censor. We don't say that Charlie Rose is a censor. We have got to blast publicly. We have got to hammer them, because they are the tribune of right-wing fascist forces.
"Three thousand people rallied to protest the invasion and massacre in Gaza two years ago," Nader said. "It was held four blocks from The Washington Post. It did not get a single paragraph. People should march over to the Post and say ‘Fuck you! What are you doing here? You cover every little blip by the right-wing and you don't cover us?'
"They are afraid of the right-wing because the right-wing bellows, and they have become right-wing," Nader said of the commercial press. "They have become fascinated by the bias of Fox. And they publicize what Fox is biased on. The coverage of O'Reilly and Beck and their fights is insane. In the heyday of coverage in the 1960s of what we were doing, it was always less than it should have been, but now it is almost zero. Why do we take this? Why do we accept this? Why isn't Chris Hedges three times a year in the Op-Ed? Why is it always Paul Wolfowitz and Elliott Abrams and all these homicidal maniacs? Why are they there? Why is John Bolton constantly published in The Washington Post and The New York Times? Where is Andrew Bacevich? Bacevich told me he has had five straight Op-Eds rejected by the Post and the Times in the last two years. And he said he is not inclined to send anymore. How many times do you hear Hoover Institution? American Enterprise Institute? Manhattan Institute. These goddamned newspapers should be picketed."
The timidity and silencing of the left fuels the steady impoverishment of a dispossessed working class and a beleaguered middle class. It solidifies a corporate oligarchy that is dismantling the anemic regulatory agencies that once protected citizens from predatory corporations. The economic system is designed to bail out Wall Street rather than replace the trillions of dollars and millions of jobs lost by workers. And the only hope left, Nader argues, is if the conservatives in the right-wing movement break from the corporatists. If the big banks again start going to the cliff and calling for new bailouts, Nader says, this may provoke a schism between conservative groups embodied by figures such as Ron Paul, and corporate lackeys.
"Every major movement starts with field organizers, the farmers, unions, and the civil rights movement," Nader said. "But there is nothing out there. We need to start learning from what was done in the past. All over the country people are pissed off. They hate Wall Street. They know they are being gouged. They know they are slipping behind. They know their kids will not be as well off as they were, and they were not that well off. But no one is putting it together. Who could put a thousand organizers in the field, besides George Soros? The labor unions. They have the money. They have a lot of cash. These idiots are going down. The UAW is a paradigm of a suicidal, supplicant labor union. It is disgusting. They are a puppy dog of GM, Ford and Chrysler. They have huge reserves. The labor unions could organize the country, but they are into their own emoluments and high salaries. The union leadership has so distanced itself from the rank and file that it is ashamed to do anything controversial. These union leaders will not go on TV on Labor Day because they do not want someone saying ‘Why are you making $500,000 a year with a pension that is six times your rank and file?' There is corruption at the top. The only way the union leaders can continue is to be in the shadows. And you don't build a strong movement in the shadows.
"The black swan question is whether something will erupt that is rare, extreme and unpredictable," Nader said. "It is amazing that it hasn't happened in any pockets of the country. How much more can the oppressed take before they revolt? And can they revolt without organizers? These are the two important questions. You have got to have organizers, and as of now we don't."
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Show AllPOLY: Excellent post.
RICK: Conscious means to be aware. It's related to consciousness. Conscience means to own a capacity for remorse.
polycarpe, absolutely!
I think that unless people are goose stepping down the street and speaking with german accents, they don't 'see' it. But that is how it always works. It never seems to happen *here*, whatever that time and place might be.
Polycarpe -- you might not be keeping up with all of Hedges' writings because he is very explicit that the U.S. has entered fascist territory. This is the primary reason that despite his glowing resume as a New York Times reporter, his Harvard doctorate, etc.-- he is treated as persona non grata by the NYT and the corporate press. He even used -- American Fascists: the Christian Right -- as a title for his book.
Here is a recent Hedges quote:
"American politics, as the midterm elections demonstrated, have descended into the irrational. On one side stands a corrupt liberal class, bereft of ideas and unable to respond coherently to the collapse of the global economy, the dismantling of our manufacturing sector and the deadly assault on the ecosystem. On the other side stands a mass of increasingly bitter people whose alienation, desperation and rage fuel emotionally driven and incoherent political agendas. It is a recipe for fascism."
Because Beck and other right-wing extremists have large forums on TV, radio, and in the corporate media, they can toss around accusations of fascism against Obama & the "liberals" to their heart's delight. Beck seems like a weird cross between Goebbels and Mr. Rogers -- and of course has millions of viewers.
Neither Nader or Hedges are pulling punches in describing the corruptions of our political elites or the corporate coup d'etat that has replaced representative democracy. It's up to labor unions, other intellectuals, & the American people to catch up with them ... and the prospects, unfortunately, are grim.
As Americans descend into serfdom they are going to want to smack around some more foreigners & malcontents.
Emotionally & intellectually, Americans will be more comfortable with a Mussolini than with an Emma Goldman. Happy New Year.
Randy G: "Emotionally & intellectually, Americans will be more comfortable with a Mussolini than with an Emma Goldman"
I believe you're correct. Doesn't that thought make one's blood run cold?
It's not that I'm not familiar with their writings, I guess I'm more saying that we on the left - Nader and Hedges included - seem to abandon great talking points once we've made our case instead of hammering again and again the points into the consciousness of the American people.
It's not glamorous but only through the repetition of great talking points will we get our point across especially when those talking points are very good and based on fact.
Hedge's should be known as "the Fascism guy" with how much he should be repeating all the great points he has made in the past.
It's hard for intellectuals to consciously constrain themselves but it's a sacrifice that intellectuals on the left have to try and make if they want to try and counter the propaganda we're all drowning in.
edited to add:
The point I'm trying to make is that once we have established that we do indeed exist in a fascist country a lot of discussion about related issues becomes redundant.
Of course the left has no where to go - we live in a fascist regime.
Of course corporations are screwing everyone - we live in a fascist regime.
If everyone understands where we our today, there's no need to innumerate every single aspect of fascism as if they are distinct symptoms with various causes.
Knowing that it's fascism all around us precludes much wasted conversation and leads more quickly to organizing and finding solutions.
polycarpe, knowing that it is a corporate(fascist)/financial/militarist Empire all around us is even more focused for quickly organizing and finding THE solution --- since Americans have always proven that they hate Empire, recognize it for the elitist, economic/political/militarist evil that it always is, and most importantly have proven by their solidarity and actions at our country's founding, and several times since, that they will combine in solidarity and courage to kick the shit out of Empire when they see it.
The real truism that Gen Patton should have recognized, if he thought outside the helmet, is that "real Americans hate Empire, and will fight it whenever they see it."
The only problem today is that they don't see the corporate/financial/militarist Empire hiding in our own country behind this damn two-party 'Vichy' facade that the Empire bought and owns.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
Hedges HAS consistently identified our current form of fascism in his writing. He accurately describes it, according to Sheldon S. Wolin (in Democracy Incorporated), as "Inverted Totalitarianism", where the economy dictates the politics, rather than classic totalitarianism, where the reverse occurs.
Hedges recently warned that this Inverted Totalitarianism will become more classic when things get so bad here that people start violently revolting and the Corporate Ruling Class starts using even more overt physical/military force to suppress such dissent.
Wolin's book is very worth reading, as is Hedges' latest book, Death of the Liberal Class.
The reality is the reality, it does not need the application of some magical word like "fascism" in order to understand it. We are seeing fascism today no more and no less than most of the western European world has been seeing for the last 100 years. The debates about whether or not "it is fascism yet" are based on some illusions about the US. For a few, mostly educated people who follow politics, it is of intense interest to debate which label should be applied to "it" - whatever "it" is - and then natch that up with their naive schoolbook ideas, their indoctrination about politics and history.
Politics is not about words or definitions. This is a false fight that the right wingers have drawn people into.
Politics is about objective reality, it is about power and access to resources, it is not about imaginary concepts. Yes, communication is important, and yes there is a war of words going on, but communication about reality, about the conditions, is what is needed, not more debates about imaginary concepts and definitions of words.
"Politics is not about words or definitions. This is a false fight that the right wingers have drawn people into."
I completely disagree.
The reality is the reality that THEY tell us, with the words THEY use to describe the reality we find ourselves in.
This has been going on for so long we no longer even have our own words to use to describe what we're experiencing.
So the reality for each of us is tailored by the Frank Luntz's of the world in front of focus groups, carefully testing each new term so as to better divide all the people who have a sense that something's gone horribly wrong into more and more separate entities, never to realize that all of us are in the same boat.
Why would they do this if it isn't effective?
Why do corporations spend so much time on advertising?
Because they both work.
Without everyone being able to call the situation they're in by a single name - fascism for example - then we're left with a myriad of focus-grouped issues each with their own special interest groups and without a unifying theme.
States rights, right to work, free trade, deficit reduction, etc etc etc etc ad infinitum - all of these terms describe portions of the fascist regime we live under but by focusing on each on individually we are inevitably divided as people who have more knowledge and expertise choose to argue against that topic which they are most interested in/know more about.
Why wouldn't Code Pink, Moveon, the Green Party, ACLU, SPLC, what's left of Acorn and whatever else leftist groups are out there uniting as the Anti-Fascist League or something be a good thing?
Wouldn't we be stronger if we could get all these groups to unite around stopping the fascism that IS very real around us.
By unifying behind one overarching theme instead of allowing them to determine what we are allowed to talk about?
I agree that the propagandists are trying to define reality for us. That does not make it reality.
The scary part is that if 99.9% of Americans believe the propagandosphere we exist in is reality - who's to say they aren't right?
No one from the MSM, a few leftie commentators every now and then, some posters on CD and other websites...
This is what those Bush people meant when they said that they will define reality for us from now on.
I also think that 9/11 was the test event to see if this idea was feasible i.e., they could get away with it.
They have and here we are.
I guess we're speaking along the same lines, I just want us to unite around reality reality.
If we have to call it fascism, the MATRIX, whatever, but all right(correct)-minded groups should coalesce around a term which captures all of the terrible aspects of the reality we're being forced into so that we don't lose time continuously debating each individual aspect every time a new instance arises.
I admit I was fooled by Obama. Never again! He is a complete tool of the financial - military complex.
I never will understand how a supposed constitutional scholar can commit the crimes against the constitution that he has.
Jim Shea
What makes you think he is a constitutional scholar? I mean that sincerely. And even if he were......What made you think he would care?
readytotransform,
Didn't the O teach constitutional law at U/Chicago? I seem to remember reading this somewhere, is it wrong?
iowapinko, actually, he didn't teach that as i read a couple years back, though i could be wrong. I read he taught only a couple classes by the way. And he only published his biographical books at the time. He wasn't there very long. I recall it was only a couple of years.
Jim don't be too rough on yourself. It's not as though we had any choices. I voted for McKinney but knew that was purely symbolic.
Obama fooled me, too. Although I thought his rhetoric was remarkably hollow -- I did not expect an unmitigated Bush/Cheney third term.
I have intelligent friends who are still fooled by Obama because they are "busy" and not paying attention. When we discuss his actions in office -- they don't have much to say. They are a little shocked when I argue that the left would have been better off with McCain & Palin wandering around the White House. Obama was a Trojan Horse for progressives.
And you are correct, he was known as someone who excelled in the study of Constitutional law at Harvard.
http://www.law.harvard.edu/news/obama-at-hls.html
I was not fooled by Obama, which is why I wrote in my own ticket at the polls during the last POTUS Election.
The unions and middle-class across Europe are fighting back against the austerity measures being shoved down their throats in their class war. Unions and the middle-class in America are passivly surrendering in the current class war. All brought to you by the sell-out unions and corporate media.
Hoa binh
Nader makes a valid point about the need for labor to wake up. But there are indeed a few labor struggles in coalitions with community based groups going on successfully in some parts of the country, we have to figure out how best we can support them and help them expand. Of course they don't get any coverage or exposure except in media like Democracy Now. I think the left needs to mobilize itself to support those struggles, work for more media exposure anyway we can get it, and help labor move itself and the country forward.
It's 1012, Obama vs. Palin-Teaparty X. Who do you vote for???
I will vote for Palin-Teaparty X. I am the minority here. Maybe Nader if he stands a chance to win. No more Obama!
Nobody noticed - here, and once again, below! - that it should have been "2012" and not "1012"? Really?
Number One: I won't cast a ballot on an electronic voting machine.
Number Two: The Democrats need to dump Obama. I would campaign for a challenger from the Left, but the pickings are slim.
Number Three: Depends on what State I'm voting in. For instance CA or NY, I would vote 3rd party because Sarah has no chance there.
Number Four: In a "swing" state, I would vote for Obama because Palin is a Christian cultist or Christian Nazi. I would say Palin is 75 mph on the Highway to Hell. So I'd settle for Obama's 50 mph, if that is the choice at hand.
Number Five: Mere voting in Presidential elections is inconsequential. Union organizing, ballot measures, local and State political action - any of these is dramatically more effective. Strong local movements can also influence National politics more than disparate individuals.
Number Six: I wouldn't send either of them a dime.
It's 1012, Obama vs. Palin-Teaparty X. Who do you vote for???
Third party, if at all. Didn't vote for obama last time and i'm sure not going to do it after he turned out to be precisely what i expected. Why would i?
You vote third party, so as to at least make a statement.
Not voting in large numbers de-legitimizes the Government.
As if they cared. Republicans have always worked to keep the numbers of folks who vote as low as possible. Voting for other than the Duopoly sends a better message than does non-participation I think.
Right. That's one way to make oneself heard.
The personality comparison (Obama vs Palin, Teaparty, Devil, or whatever) is a Democratic talking point ("they are worse than us"). Policies matter.
Obama (2008 Marketer of the Year award winner), Palin, GW Bush, and O'Donnell are just personalities. GW Bush, who was never qualified to be president, was not the driving force behind the policies of his term, rather Bush was a mouthpiece. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Senate leaders, and outsiders, to name a few, drove Bush's policies. It would be the same with Palin. Truth is, with the Teaparty, you may not have gotten Obama's worst two pieces of legislation: healthcare bill (sellout to insurance co's) and tax cuts (more demise of Social Security). The President affects policy but if you are part of the duopoly parties, you are stuck in their entrenched political bounds. Vote third party.
Well, if I voted for Obama then I would be saying that I totally support the Bush/Cheney criminal enterprise. I'll vote third party.
I prepare for the Battle of Hastings if it is 1012.
54 years to get ready for one battle? You should win it.
LOL. I was waiting for someone to catch that. Yes, that is a long time to prepare, isn't it? Lots of arrows to make.
Grimbold of Runneymede.
First of all, i am tired of chris hedges talking as though his action from the other month in DC was the first of its kind and NOW is the time to get out there on the streets. Hello!
We've been out there for the past ten years chris. It is a little late now, isn't it? Yes, wait until the car is on the edge of the cliff.....He spoke at rallies, i attended in the past couple years, but never spoke of real action until very lately. Why?
Secondly, continuously looking backward to old paradigms isn't going to move us forward. We are in another time and space. We aren't in kansas anymore. Let's stop pretending it is the forties or fifties. That gets us nowhere. Those people aren't here anymore. Period. And quite frankly, i don't want to live in the world of Beaver Cleaver. That isn't my idea of a creative life. A chicken in every pot and two cars in every garage?
The only thing i found interesting was Nader in the final paragraph here. I call it a 'wild card'. We have Julian Assange as a wild card. No, he isn't an american. But maybe it needs to be faced that americanism is dying or dead. We live in a whole new world and that world is in a solar system, which is in a galaxy, and on and on. This provincialism is getting rather boring - for me. I am not telling anyone else to agree with me. To each his own. I have never identified myself with nationality anyway. And i never was a flag waver or loved to celebrate the fourth of july. I hate parades.
Sorry. But there is nothing new in this article. It is the same old recycled stuff that could have been written two years ago. Except for obama, whom people decided was the second coming for reasons i have heard over and over again, yet i still think they are irrational and insipid.
And....One reason sister sarah gets way more coverage than say, nader...People think she is sexy and pretty and she wears leather mini skirts and has a family that lends itself to reality tv. It isn't rocket science!
I think Hedges is a brilliant writer, by the way. He is great with the larger picture, such as the christian fascism writings, etc.
Rave over....
peace.
I disagree that looks alone is responsible for "sister Sarah" getting attention on M$M. If Sarah Palin were to be a progressive ala Nader, no amount of beauty kinks would keep her on the air. Amy Goodman is far better looking than Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly, etc... but not even CNN or MSNBC is giving her a chance. Rachel Maddow could get some training lessons from Goodman.
I can't stand rachel maddow. She has such a mocking and sophomorish presentation.
However, amy isn't on mainstream media, so we can't compare her to Beck or O'Reilly, et. Plus, they are pundits (all whom you've mentioned), and Amy is a journalist. They are not even in the same spheres so they can't be compared. And Amy doesn't aspire to be one of them, anyway.
Also, Sarah Palin ran for v.p. and was a governor of a state. Nader ran in the same election and has run before. So he is in more of the same sphere as Palin. That is why i compared those two. And the mainstream people i have spoken to either think palin is 'hot', or know people who do.
I don't think it is looks alone. As i've said, i also believe it is her reality tv personality and family. And her lack of intelligence that many, many people relate to. It is all about personalities. Obama should have given his cosmetic dentist an embassador post. And his biography editor should have been press secretary.
peace.
rita
Once again, I wish I'd only read the article and not the comments.
Chris H/Ralph- thanks...you hit the nail dead on.
I feel the same way quite often, stonepig. But feel free to pass my posts on by...None of them cost a dime, you know!
We need to get Ralph out there in a leather mini-skirt!! That should garner some attention!!
Rita, I always look forward to reading your posts and usually agree with your comments. Therefore, I am trying to understand why you are so disillusioned, perhaps even angry, with Hedges. (This is not your first post where you've expressed what I perceive to be disillusionment or annoyance with Hedges.) Is it out of frustration? Is it because you believe it is too late for protests and resistance? Personally, I don't care if Hedges is late to the game (assuming he is; I think he's been resisting for quite a long time, but maybe not writing about it). I myself am a late-comer. But that doesn't mean that late-comers cannot have a substantial impact and role to play in a resistance movement. However long it takes for people to wake up and decide to take action, at least they are finally standing up and doing something. If we say it's too late, then we are done for. And even if we ARE done for, I refuse to go down without a fight.
I have learned the hard way not to look to a particular person as a personal hero, because I have been sorely disappointed when I realized they were not the heroes I thought they were (Kucinich comes readily to mind). But Hedges, among a few others, is someone I admire greatly and who has inspired me to resist in ways I had not previously considered. And for that, I am very grateful to him.
Peace,
Anne
Not to pile on, Anne, but although I'm usually in sync with Rita, I could have written your response myself. And every time there's a new Hedges article-- apparently he's "persona grata" here in the post-election season-- I've been tempted to do so.
I haven't, mostly because I'm not up for arguing with an ally.
And, God knows, there are several writers published regularly at CD who push MY buttons, and whom I read just to acquire a fresh load of grist for my mill. There are many occasions in which someone could accuse me of making a point of finding SOMETHING disparaging to say about a given writer (the "Nation" crowd, Michael Lerner), and I would plead guilty.
But Rita does jump into Hedges threads with an uncharacteristic edge of irritation, exasperation, and scornful derision or dismissiveness. It's a tone that belies her explicit assurance that she does in many ways respect and admire Hedges. And this mixed message and fault-finding seems limited to her Hedges comments; I don't notice it in other threads.
I know that Hedges does elicit a sort of love/hate reaction, and without naming nyms, over the months I've noticed commenters-- they come and go-- who pointedly pounce on his articles in the spirit of, "hey, this guy REALLY pisses me off!"
And while I both nag myself for not following his lead, while simultaneously wondering how effective his method truly is, I don't see Hedges as a narcissist or cloyingly self-righteous. For whatever reason, I don't find him somehow "suspect" as I do, say, persons like Jon Stewart.
Sorry if it's tacky to discuss a third party's uncharacteristic ambivalence like this, but I wonder about it too.
Well, O.S. i don't think you could ever be tacky. You are so high minded i don't even feel upset that you 'piled on' me.
Since i am too exhausted right now, i will refer you to my response to anne faith up there. And don't get me wrong, i think he is sincere. But the beliefs just don't all go together somehow. I think also, his years of war reporting, which he has said was addictive, mixed with the parents who were episcopal priests and the years in seminary have created something quite dark, although also quite unique and insightful within him.
Maybe i should have sent him my writings. It was uncanny because when we discussed it, we were in synch in many ways......
yours truly,
rita
I appreciate your well considered and thoughtful post, Anne. You are correct in your observation of my reaction to C.H. I actually think it may be a matter of personality, if i am going to be deeply honest, and i believe you deserve that.
I met him several years ago, which is something i have shared here before, and without going into detail, i know some things about his deeper beliefs about the nature of humanity, which for me is disturbing. In fact, i queried him about it and he does believe that human beings are innately flawed. You see, i asked if he believed in 'original sin', as i could tell by his lecture. He was taken aback but did admit that he does believe this. I then asked if he thought our self destruction was inevitable and he did say "yes". At the time he was working on his christian fascism book, which i had written a lot about myself, and he was quite interested in my insights along those lines. That was flattering, i will admit. And he asked me to email what i had to him. A writer friend advised me that it would be silly for me to just hand all of that over to someone i don't know, so i listened to her, and didn't do it.
A dear friend was down in DC supporting the protest Hedges mentioned, and he has nothing but positive things to say about everyone and he has read all of Hedges books and really admires him. A couple days later, he mentioned how he spoke to Ellsberg and felt very comfortable and acknowledged, and he was very surprised and disappointed that Chris Hedges didn't seem to be able to relate to the 'common man'. He just was aloof and indifferent. But i already knew this about him.
So, i suppose it is a personal thing with me. Plus, i personally find many of his articles to be reminiscent of the academics who write for each other. To be honest, i feel he is an elitist. And he has every right to be that way. It just rubs me the wrong way.....Yet i think he is quite brilliant when he writes about the larger picture. But his constant doom and gloom is something i don't find helpful, as i think there is much of this already. And i know a small piece of why he feels this way. And i personally, spend much of my energy exploring with individuals just how self defeating and destructive these religious mythologies are.
Oh, regarding your sharing that you are a late comer to all of this....I can appreciate that. But Hedges truly writes as though this is something brand new and we all better get out there, like he has. And as someone who has been there and done that over and over again, i cannot help but feel a tad annoyed. ;-)
I hope this is somewhat elucidating, Anne.
In peace,
rita
Rita, thank you so much for your response. I appreciate you taking the time to write it, especially late at night. And yes, I found it very elucidating. I am sometimes not very discerning and therefore I value your insights. I think your observations are quite valid - he is indeed a doom and gloomer, which I've attributed to the fact that he spent so much time being exposed to the darkest side of humanity. I've become quite the doomer myself (although, in my case, absolutely not stemming from any religious beliefs), so perhaps that is one reason his writings and lectures resonate with me. But I can see how his dark side can be hard to take, given that you have to deal with so much of that in your work. I've never met him, but from watching his lectures, I had the same reaction as you about his persona - he does seem stoic and removed. And yes, he is part of the intelligentsia.
But at the same time, I think he cares deeply about the suffering of others, and I think that's part of what draws me to him. And yes, for someone like you who has been out there protesting for years, I can see why you would get annoyed, especially when it seems awfully late in the day to be calling for that. As others have observed about Hedges, I think he's only recently come to appreciate the value of protest movements and is slowly becoming more "radicalized," although I think he's hardly a radical - yet.
On another note: Like Obedient Servant, I wonder how effective Hedges' suggestions will be. Take protests, for example. I've never found them effective - not in my lifetime, anyway. When millions of people around the world protested against the wars several years ago, they were ignored, and the wars happened anyway. When the French protested recently against the increase in the retirement age, it made no difference. When our corporate-owned media won't cover protests on the left (but only cover Tea Party rallies and fluff rallies like Stewart and Colbert's in D.C.), it's like the proverbial tree that crashes in the forest but nobody hears - did it happen? But after reading "Death of The Liberal Class," I've come to believe that there is an intrinsic value in acts of resistance, big and small, whether it be protesting, volunteering with the poor, refusing to pay taxes, growing our own food -- even if these acts make no dent at all in achieving peace or justice. As Barredowl said in his post further down on this thread, there is something exhilarating and liberating about participating in these nascent movements. It may be all we've got left - preserving a bit of our humanity and refusing to remain silent, even if no one hears us yelling.
I appreciate your insightful response, Ann. I completely agree.
I do think that not paying taxes is a lot bolder than participating in a peace march/demonstraion (in the u.s. that is).....Different actions have different consequences.
I agree that if a person is moved to do any one or more of these actions, it is important that they go with it. I was compelled. Although i knew deep down, it wouldn't change things. Yet, the intentionality that is created by large groups who feel deep caring and purpose becomes a force unto itself and is added to the collective. No doubt about it. And it is far better to be *about* something, than just against...
I can get into the doom and gloom as well. Believe me. But there needs to be a balance. We need to be very aware of where is really going on right now, yet not close our minds and hearts off to alternate possibilities and not continuously project all the negativity of the present into the image of an inevible future.
And i understand that it becomes easy to see apocalyptically, which i know Hedges has the inclination to do. And it can become a kind of comfort - "i see where we are going and we 'deserve' it". It is a contemporary version of the 'divine punishment' mythology. It is really deeply wired into our psyches. That is what i see, anyway. And i am no exception, believe me. I try to keep self aware as possible about this.
So.........2011......i have a feeling some surprises may be in store.
peace,
rita
Yes, 2011 is going to be interesting. Here's wishing you, Rita, and everyone here at CD, a happy, healthy and peaceful New Year. :o)
J.A. the reason his belief in oringinal sin had such an impact on me, is because it is the most insideous of all myths and undermines human beings from trusting themselves. It is the root of all partriarchal religions. We would not need authorities to dictate to us, if we trusted our own inner Self.
Therefore, he does not truly believe that we humans can affect long term and meaningful transformation. This was around seven years ago, of course. However, at that time he thought our extinction was inevitable. As Eisnstein did say, no problem can be solved by the same consciousness that created it. And the consciousness that believes in original sin created the world we have now.
Namaste.
"Secondly, continuously looking backward to old paradigms isn't going to move us forward. We are in another time and space. "
True! The system cannot be transformed, it must be transcended. If Progressives band together and create a new paradigm, live it and refine it while the old corrupt system self destructs, we stand in a strong position to survive, grow, and supplant the old system. Attempting to awaken happily distracted masses is a waste of time and effort.