But even if he was doing the will of the rich, if he got donations from 50 million it would scare all crap out of the rich. So send him $5 and gain the option to share in his glory, a win-win situation.

POLY: I understand your reservations given the climate of dis-information and the cloud of BS that passes for news all across America.

Truly we are living in Orwellian times given that Truth, itself, comes into question. Those with the big bucks get to shape and frame debates, while owning access to media and thereby determining who gets the pass to be heard. So many in America confuse celebrity with "being in the know," or anointed as official expert on whatever the issue du jour.

Was it Rumsfeld who made a quote along the lines of "We'll create our own reality now"?

It's a sorry state of events when millions entirely discredit the evidence of global warming, and millions more believe in End Times. Rational arguments bounce off these types like raindrops hitting an oily windshield.

Out of so massive an illusion it is difficult to summon a collective awakening, especially when the vast majority neither knows that they sleep, nor recognize the degree to which they've gotten swept up in twisted illusions.

Where would the MIC be without so massive a web of deception to lend it cover?

I believe Julian is credible. Now whether or not his mission has been co-opted by nefarious forces entertaining their own agendas, I cannot say.

The Green Party is the major party in Iceland. This came about after their recent financial crisis. They, unlike Ireland, did not go along with the neo-liberal, austere, Euro position. They chose independence instead. We'll see how it goes. Other countries have done far better by turning away from neo-liberalism - Argentina, Bolivia, Venezuela, Ecuador

Serious Citizen, Thanks for the address; I just wrote a check. Hope it gets through and no one freezes his bank account in Iceland.

Isn't there already a spin-off organization from WL? One or more of the WL personnel set up to work independently. More is better for the public. Hopefully by now, unknown persons in WL and elsewhere have this important work growing ever stronger and more widespread.

They have purportedly released <1% of 250k docs. Are the promised finance docs amongst the said 250k docs, or are they in yet the next batch?

I, too, take exception to Assange's position on 9/11. I support his desire for transparency in gov't, but there's something mighty fishy about his public statements supporting the government's obvious lies about 9/11. Also, Osama bin Laden is dead. How can he not know that?

and on a further note... regarding certain credit card shutdown announcements...

a shutdown is in the works... but it hasn't actually closed the process yet... (although the media may want it to appear otherwise... who knows ?)... anyway... there's a time frame of opportunity between the two... so get your donations in while ya can!... (mine did indeed go through!)... the best of wishes'n'ways'n'todays to all!... :)

http://wikileaks.ch

sallysense,

How did you make your donation? PayPal has supposedly cancelled their account.

what does anti-war mean?

were the north vietnamese war criminals as they were fighting the impirial powers?

were the allied countries of WWII as guilty as the nazies and the fascists?

we know your true colors. no worries.

Good, we need transparency.

Neither, hopefully accountability.

Neither, just a concerned world citizen.

Neither, he's Australian.

I'm still trying to figure out what this tells us....

If you "frankly don't know", mightymite, then read the leaks that have been published. It is also logical to assume that at least some of these comments were written by authors who read some of the leaks or a few summaries. In any case, there is much you may infer by the hysterical, authoritarian response of the US and allied govts.

A few more facts - this is not private correspondence between individuals with universally recognized (if not protected) privacy rights. This is official communication between paid employees and operatives of the US Govt on specific political missions, with specific political intent, all on the taxpayer's dime. This kind of traffic should be made public under emergency or unusual conditions, which by any sensible measure, exist now.

Finally, what will lead to deaths and continued war is the war policy of the US, not leaks ABOUT the war policy of the US. Cables never killed anybody; bullets and bombs do the killing.

"I frankly don't know if releasing this private correspondence will turn out to be good or bad. Will it lead to deaths and war or peace and security? Is Assange a Terroist (sic) or a Patriot?"--mightymite

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It's not the least bit surprising that "frankly [you] don't know." Regardless, here's Julian Assange:

“WikiLeaks has a four-year publishing history. During that time we have changed whole governments, but not a single person, as far as anyone is aware, has been harmed. But the US, with Australian government connivance, has killed thousands in the past few months alone.

“US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates admitted in a letter to the US congress that no sensitive intelligence sources or methods had been compromised by the Afghan war logs disclosure. The Pentagon stated there was no evidence the WikiLeaks reports had led to anyone being harmed in Afghanistan. NATO in Kabul told CNN it couldn’t find a single person who needed protecting. The Australian Department of Defence said the same. No Australian troops or sources have been hurt by anything we have published."

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/12/07-1

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Instead of pondering the ridiculous and absurd dichotomy of whether or not Mr. Assange is "a Terroist (sic) or a Patriot", perhaps you should be considering this instead:

Chris Floyd:

'[H]ow many thousands of people, how many tens of thousands, have been killed by our bipartisan Terror Warriors in the four years of WikiLeaks’ existence? How many millions have been “harmed” not only by the direct operations of the Terror War, but by the ever-widening, ever-deepening violence, hatred and turmoil it is spreading throughout the world? (Not to mention the accelerating collapse of American society, which has been financially, politically and morally bankrupted by the acceptance of aggressive war, torture, elite rapine and authoritarian rule.)

But none of the perpetrators of these acts, past or present, are in jail, or have even been prosecuted, or investigated, or inconvenienced in any way. Yet Assange is in a British prison tonight – and it is certainly not for the “sexual misconduct” charges that were filed against him in August, which then became the basis of an unprecedented worldwide arrest order of the type ordinarily reserved for war criminals – for those, in fact, accused of aggressive war, torture, elite rapine and authoritarian rule. The judge refused to grant bail, saying that Assange had “access to financial means” and could flee the country – perhaps a bitter joke on milord’s part, aimed at a man whose means of financial support are being systematically shut down by the most powerful government and corporate forces in the world. Journalist John Pilger and filmmaker Ken Loach were among those who appeared in court ready to stand surety for Assange, but to no avail.

WikiLeaks will doubtless try to struggle on. And Assange says he has given the entire diplomatic trove to 100,000 people. By dribs and drabs, shards of truth will get out. But the world’s journalists – and those persons of conscience working in the world’s governments – have been given a hard, harsh, unmistakable lesson in the new realities of our degraded time. Tell a truth that discomforts power, that challenges its domination over our lives, our discourse, our very thoughts, and you will be destroyed. No institution, public or private, will stand with you; the most powerful entities, public and private, will be arrayed against you, backed up by overwhelming violent force. This is where we are now. This is what we are now.'

Excerpted from "Truth in Chains"
http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd12072010.html

hadn't the financial fascists based in the US / UK / Israel controlled the interpol,

the war criminals wouldn't have been able to step outside the US / UK / Israel.

The common truism is, "the truth will out," which is for the most part true. But truth only "wins" when it actually has some positive influence. We all know about Lyndon Johnson's lies (and Bill Moyers helped tell them!) When the truth finally came out, it was too late. And the Bush administration's lies and war on Iraqis - too late.

Truth is merely one of many alternative realities sold to us...remember advertising and emotionalism determines peoples reality now..not enough critical thinkers to cut through it.

now you know the emptiness of "blanket pacifism".

financial or economic terrorism is as criminal as military violence.
not all violences are the same.

Wikileaks was a wake up call for governments around the world; especially the U.S.,as they are realizing that a free internet is incompatible with their governments lies and secrets. The net also exposes just how corrupt the T.V. and print media news has become. Julian Assange being demonized in the whore media and some even wanting him assassinated is really,in my view a red herring, as this is now exactly what the politically, powerful elite have wanted for a long time. They have their phony war on terror and now they are using Wikileaks to trump up their phony war on the net. This gives governments, like the U.S. a way to control and censor the net just like they do the MSM. Looks like Julian Assange is the false flag they needed to control the net,like the Gulf of Tonkin or the pack of lies about the WMD'S in Iran.

"“Comic Jon Stewart, host of The Daily Show, the satirical US news program and talk show, went out of his way November 30 to attack WikiLeaks’ co-founder Julian Assange and the exposure of American government conspiracies around the world.”

What do you expect from this weasel and the rest of his Bag-O-Comedic Clown pals. They are the stooges. The (well paid) Jesters for everything Empire.

WikiLeaks isn't just exposing the Clintons of this world, its exposing these so called "liberal entertainers for justice" as well. That's a good thing, too.

WikiLeaks, well, its kinda like flypaper. It catches the little flies and the big, fat, stinky green ones -the ones that just love sucking on political turds for their livelihoods.

The train is moving pretty slow considering all the leaks and he is still fighting.

But If he goes down maybe you can replace him with your "faceless" strategy.

Eric Holder is a Democrat. He is just doing what Democrats do and have done for a long time. No surprises here.

if i were a mole, would i be so disruptive as to be noticed by dull minds like you?

disrupting and poisoning are two different things. try to think if you can.

The neocons, the thwarted foreign policy, the dirty secret wars, the corruption, etc....these are truly endangering American citizens' lives & wellfare.