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The 'Teach-the-Dems-a-Lesson' Myth
If my e-mail inbox is any indication, many American progressives plan to use the Nov. 2 election as an opportunity to “teach the Democrats a lesson” by either not voting or casting ballots for third parties, even if this contributes to the expected Republican (and Tea Party) landslide.
The thinking seems to be that the loss of the congressional majorities will punish the Democrats for accepting half-measures and compromises on issues from health care and financial reform to job stimulus and war. The Left’s hope apparently is that the chastened Democrats will then shift toward more progressive positions and be more assertive.
However, modern American political history tells us that this strategy never works. After the four key elections in which many progressives abandoned the governing Democrats – in 1968, 1980, 1994 and 2000 – not only did Republicans take U.S. politics further to the right, but the surviving Democrats tacked more to the center and grew more timid.
All four elections also were marred by GOP dirty tricks that drew little or no reaction from either the governing Democrats or the progressives, emboldening the slash-and-burn Republicans to operate in an ever more audacious style.
Tragically, too, the Left’s sideline-sitting contributed to the unnecessary deaths of millions of people in wars from Vietnam and Central America to Iraq and Afghanistan. Arguably even worse, U.S. inaction on global warming – a neglect surely to be continued if Republicans and Tea Partiers are victorious in Election 2010 – may doom the future of a livable planet.
In other words, the “teach-the-Dems-a-lesson” strategy not only doesn’t work, it’s extremely dangerous.
The Vietnam Precedent
Take, for instance, the pivotal election of 1968. The Left was furious with Democratic President Lyndon Johnson for the Vietnam War and with the Democratic presidential nominee, Vice President Hubert Humphrey, for the bloody Chicago convention.
Many on the Left refused to support Humphrey, even though they knew that would help the election chances of the divisive and disreputable Richard Nixon. Some anti-war activists voted for minor third-party candidates while others simply sat out Election Day, allowing Nixon to win one of the closest elections in U.S. history by less than one percentage point.
However, we now know – based on declassified information from Johnson’s presidential library – that Johnson was on the verge of a peace settlement with the North Vietnamese in Paris and that Humphrey’s election likely would have led to a rapid end of the Vietnam War.
Nixon, who was getting briefings on the progress in Paris, knew that a breakthrough was imminent. The evidence is also now clear that Nixon, possessing that knowledge, let his campaign make contacts with the South Vietnamese government behind Johnson’s back, promising President Nguyen van Thieu a better deal if he boycotted the Paris talks.
Thieu did as Nixon’s campaign wished, refusing to attend the peace talks, thus torpedoing hopes for a quick end to U.S. participation in the war. [For details, see Consortiumnews.com’s “The Significance of Nixon’s ‘Treason.’”]
After taking office, President Nixon had no choice but to continue – and to expand – the war in pursuit of a better outcome for Thieu, who after all knew of Nixon’s treachery.
The additional four years of war resulted in the deaths of more than 20,000 U.S. soldiers and millions of Indochinese in Vietnam and Cambodia, yet the final peace agreement mirrored what had been available to the United States in 1968.
Nixon’s nasty, take-no-prisoners style also shook the political foundations of the United States. The nation grew bitterly divided; parents turned against their own children; war-fueled inflation ate away at incomes; hopes for alleviating poverty vanished; and Americans came to doubt their government could accomplish anything good.
The national wounds inflicted by that ugly era have never fully healed. Much of that, however, might have been avoided if disaffected progressives had swallowed their anger and cast their ballots for Humphrey.
‘Good for the Country’
During Nixon’s Paris-peace-talk gambit, the governing Democrats also revealed what would become a pattern for them, an unwillingness to expose political wrongdoing by Republicans ostensibly to avert partisan divisions for “the good of the country.”
President Johnson was aware of what he called Nixon’s “treason” in the days before Election 1968 and was tempted to expose the illicit contacts. However, other senior Democrats fretted that exposure of such treachery might not prevent Nixon from winning, yet could destroy his legitimacy as president.
“Some elements of the story are so shocking in their nature that I’m wondering whether it would be good for the country to disclose the story and then possibly have a certain individual [Nixon] elected,” said Defense Secretary Clark Clifford in a conference call with Johnson on Nov. 4, 1968. “It could cast his whole administration under such doubt that I think it would be inimical to our country’s interests.”
Clifford’s argument carried the day. Johnson remained silent, Nixon won, and Johnson carried the secret of Nixon’s peace-talk sabotage to his grave.
So, in 1968, the U.S. political process was undergoing three dangerous transformations. The Left was separating itself from practical politics; the Republicans were learning that they could win by playing dirty; and the governing Democrats were shying away from demanding accountability for Republican abuses.
Over the next 42 years, all three of these patterns have deepened, combining to create a political crisis for the nation.
Republican Extremes
Over the past four decades, the only times when the Left and the governing Democrats have pulled together in a meaningful way were when the Republicans were in power and when that power went to their heads.
That was the case when Nixon, who had locked himself into a continuation of the Vietnam War, went nearly crazy in denouncing anti-war protesters as “bums” and going to extremes to block publication of the Pentagon Papers secret history of the war in 1971.
Nixon’s paranoia then led him to commit felonies surrounding his Watergate political spying operation, a scandal that played out from 1972 until Nixon’s resignation in 1974. The Watergate case was one of the few times when the governing Democrats and the Left mostly were on the same page, objecting to Nixon’s abuses.
However, whenever the Democrats were in power and had the potential to accomplish something meaningful, the split always reopened. The governing pragmatists sought incremental change in an often difficult political/media environment, while the idealists demanded sweeping reforms regardless of public resistance.
The division opened up during Jimmy Carter’s presidency when the Left viewed Carter as too centrist and too cautious, prompting a primary challenge from liberal Sen. Edward Kennedy in 1980. Kennedy’s bid fell short but left behind deep antagonisms between the two wings of the Democratic Party.
Many progressives turned a deaf ear to Carter’s warnings about what Ronald Reagan’s election would do to the country. Some backed independent John Anderson or other minor candidates, and some simply didn’t vote.
Iranian Crisis
As it turned out, Carter – like Johnson and Humphrey – was facing Republican skullduggery. The evidence is now overwhelming that elements of Reagan’s campaign contacted Iranian officials who were then holding 52 Americans hostage, a crisis that was eroding Carter’s remaining political support.
Like Nixon with Thieu, Reagan’s team appears to have offered the Iranians a better deal than Carter did, in this case, promises of military hardware via Israel that Iran needed for its conflict with neighboring Iraq.
Failing to win the hostages’ release, Carter saw his reelection hopes dashed. With the first anniversary of the humiliating hostage-taking coming on the day of the election, the polls showed a suddenly widening lead for Reagan who coasted to an easy victory. The hostages were finally released immediately after Reagan was sworn in on Jan. 20, 1981.
(As with the Nixon-Vietnam scheme, governing Democrats recoiled at the idea of holding the Republicans accountable even when extensive evidence of Reagan’s Iran contacts came to light in the last half of the 1980s and the early 1990s. For “the good of the country,” Democrats again swept the evidence under the rug.) [For details, see Robert Parry’s Secrecy & Privilege.]
Reagan’s election marked another turning point in American history, and it was not a positive one. President Carter, for all his shortcomings, had begun addressing some of the big problems confronting the United States, including the need for alternative energy sources, Middle East peace, and human rights as a core value in U.S. foreign policy.
Reagan, however, countered with a “don’t worry, be happy” approach to the future. Tax cuts would swell revenues; no need to worry about your gas-guzzlers; government was the problem, not the rapidly expanding power of multinational corporations; human rights were for sissies.
In selling his policies, Reagan also was aided by a rapidly expanding right-wing news media that was bankrolled to challenge the remnants of the Watergate-era press corps. Meanwhile, the Left largely abandoned the goal of having a national media infrastructure. [For details, see Consortiumnews.com’s “The Left’s Media Miscalculation.”]
Ugly Americans
Despite the harm that Reagan’s economic policies did to the United States – corporations accelerating the shipping of jobs overseas, unions broken, Carter’s solar panels ripped from the White House roof – perhaps Reagan’s most destructive actions came in his global strategies.
Reagan unleashed right-wing “death squads” in Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua – killing tens of thousands. To challenge the Soviet Union, he funded Islamist radicals in Afghanistan who would become the backbone of al-Qaeda and the Taliban. He acquiesced to Pakistan’s building of nuclear bombs, perhaps today’s greatest threat to world security.
To justify spending hundreds of billions of dollars more on U.S. military hardware, Reagan also oversaw the politicization of the CIA’s analytical division so it would exaggerate the Soviet threat in the 1980s. Two decades later, that perversion of U.S. intelligence would help justify the invasion of Iraq with “fixed” analytical reports about non-existent WMDs.
In terms of government personnel, Reagan credentialed a young group of intellectuals and ideologues who became known as the neoconservatives. To justify U.S. interventions abroad, these neocons felt justified in using propaganda techniques to manipulate the American people, herding them like cattle in a desired direction. [For details, see Robert Parry’s Lost History.]
Many on the American Left who had abandoned Jimmy Carter were aghast at what Reagan did, especially the atrocities in Central America. But the blame was put mostly on the hapless ex-President and the governing Democrats.
There was very little soul-searching on the Left, which viewed itself as essentially blameless for the catastrophes that the Reagan years wrought.
The Clinton Years
The Reagan excesses, especially the mirage of tax cuts producing extra revenue and the myth that the United States didn’t need an industrial base, created so much economic pain by 1992 that Bill Clinton was able to exploit a split in the conservative vote – between President George H.W. Bush and billionaire Ross Perot – and slip into the White House.
Clinton’s election also came at a time when evidence was finally pouring in regarding political and national security crimes of the early Reagan years, including the Reagan campaign’s arms-for-hostages deals with Iran in both 1980 and later with the Iran-Contra Affair and Reagan’s secret orders to help arm Iran’s enemies in Iraq.
In late 1992, so much new evidence of Republican guilt was arriving at a House task force investigating the 1980 hostage crisis that chief counsel Lawrence Barcella said he urged the chairman, Rep. Lee Hamilton, D-Indiana, to extend the inquiry for a few more months, but Hamilton declined citing political difficulties.
Instead, with the goal of maintaining some bipartisan comity in Washington at the start of the Clinton administration, Hamilton’s task force concealed much of the new evidence and issued a report asserting Republican innocence.
In a similar way, the new Clinton administration helped clean up for Reagan and his team on the continuing Iran-Contra investigation (which represented a sequel to the 1980 Republican-Iranian contacts) and on the Iraq-gate scandal regarding clandestine military assistance to Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
High Hopes
As Bill Clinton became the first Democratic president in a dozen years, the governing Democrats had high hopes that they could make progress on some difficult issues that had been ignored under Republican rule, including health care and environmental initiatives. The Democrats also moved to get the nation’s deficit under control, approving a modest rise in income tax rates.
Yet, for all the Clinton administration’s hopes for bipartisanship, the Democrats instead encountered near unanimous Republican opposition to every major initiative. Not a single GOP vote was cast in favor of Clinton’s budget in either the House or the Senate.
Instead, the Republicans relied on their expanding right-wing media, which had added powerful AM radio programming to an influential roster of newspapers, magazines and book publishing houses. Voices on the Right like Rush Limbaugh made every day a fiesta of Clinton bashing.
As the Democrats headed toward Election 1994, the Republicans and their right-wing media allies rallied the conservative base with wild stories about Bill and Hillary Clinton as a kind of Arkansas-based Bonnie and Clyde, leaving a string of death and corruption in their wake.
Though political pundits cite the collapse of health care reform as the key blow to the Democratic majorities, the media-driven hysteria about the Clintons also was a major factor in the right-wing tidal wave that was building. The failure of the American Left to invest in a media infrastructure to counter the Right was another little-noticed factor. A strategic media imbalance was forming.
Yet, even if the Left had worked on building a media infrastructure, it’s not clear that progressive voices would have done much to protect the Clintons from the right-wing attacks. To many on the Left, the Clintons were a couple who had long since sold out their principles to corporate interests.
So, with both American progressives and mainstream Democrats discouraged and demoralized, the Republican tsunami in November 1994 wiped out not only the fragile Democratic Senate majority but ended the long-time Democratic control of the House.
Reagan Redux
The Republicans saw their resounding victory as a mandate to resume Reagan’s assault on Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal and Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society. Trying to assert his “relevance,” Clinton conceded that “the era of big government is over.”
For the next six years, the Republicans and the right-wing media derided government programs that tried to help the middle class and the poor, while pushing through more and more deregulation of corporations, including repeal of a New Deal law separating commercial and investment banks. The repeal passed with the support of the Clinton administration.
Besides trying to dismantle much of the federal government, the Republicans hounded Clinton, finally impeaching him in the House for lying about an extramarital affair. Though Clinton survived a humiliating Senate trial, the Republicans were optimistic about regaining total control of Washington in Election 2000.
The Republican presidential nominee, Texas Gov. George W. Bush, was a thinly qualified scion of a political royal family. Opposite him was Clinton’s wonky Vice President Al Gore, who was an expert on the complex workings of government and who had a particular passion for the environment, alternative energy and the pressing need to address global warming.
In my view, Election 2000 may have represented the last real chance for the world to turn back from environmental devastation and from the dangerous political instability that will follow. In 2000, the future of the planet was truly in the balance – and Gore, despite his lack of charisma, may have been the best person for the job, at least the best that modern U.S. politics could produce.
However, much of the Left viewed Gore as an unacceptable centrist. A number of prominent progressives also rejected my warnings about the dangers posed by Bush, particularly my concern that he would restore the neoconservatives to positions of power over foreign policy.
I was especially alarmed by Bush’s choice of Dick Cheney to be his vice presidential running mate. I had covered Cheney for years when he was in Congress and knew him to be a rigid ideologue who was much closer philosophically to the neocons than was generally understood.
Bush Illusions
At the time, most political analysts of all stripes viewed Bush as an Establishment Republican. They accepted his self-description as “a compassionate conservative” and thought he would govern with his father's moderation, surrounded by his father’s old foreign policy hands, the likes of Brent Scowcroft and James Baker.
I was assured by several left-wing political analysts that I was overly alarmed at the prospects of a neocon revival if Bush won.
This widely held viewpoint fed into the notion on the Left that Bush would not be much different from Gore and that Election 2000, therefore, represented a good opportunity to “teach the Democrats a lesson” by showing them that they couldn’t “take the Left for granted.”
So, many progressives decided that they would back Green Party candidate Ralph Nader. To rally more support on the Left, Nader’s campaign touted what may be one of the biggest – and most dangerous – lies ever told in American politics, that “there’s not a dime worth of difference” between George W. Bush and Al Gore.
Nader succeeded not only in siphoning off votes from Gore but his attacks on the Vice President – often echoing similar attack lines from the Republicans – frustrated the Gore campaign’s efforts to gain momentum.
A Stolen Election
Though Gore still managed to outpoll Bush by about a half million votes nationwide and almost surely would have beaten Bush in the key state of Florida if all legally cast votes were counted, Bush used a combination of clever lawyering and hardball politics to seize the White House. [For details, see Neck Deep.]
To this day, very few Nader supporters will admit that they contributed to Bush’s tainted victory, although it should be obvious that Nader’s votes in Florida – if most would have gone to Gore – would have put the election too far out of reach for Bush to steal.
A Gore presidency also would have taken the country in a far different direction. Most significantly, he might have made significant progress in getting the United States to face up to the crisis of global warming, an existential threat to mankind that Bush studiously ignored.
It may be a bitter irony that the one major political accomplishment of America’s Green Party will be that it helped condemn the world to environmental disaster.
Whether Nader backers acknowledge their complicity or not, the hard truth is that the American Left – in this attempt to “teach the Democrats a lesson” – contributed to the dangerous ascension of George W. Bush to power.
Besides his inaction on global warming, Bush restored the neocons to key positions throughout the foreign policy bureaucracy and, after 9/11, adopted their aggressive strategy for seeking violent “regime change” in Muslim countries considered hostile to Israel.
As a result of Bush’s “global war on terror” and his invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, hundreds of thousands have died and many more – including many children and other noncombatants – have lost limbs and suffered maiming.
Bush also trampled on traditional constitutional and legal principles with his assertion of unlimited presidential powers that included his secret wiretapping of citizens, his waiving of habeas corpus rights to a fair trial, and his torturing prisoners held in clandestine prisons.
At home, Bush’s tax cuts mostly for the rich and his further deregulation of corporations contributed to a bubble-and-bust economy that – by the end of his eight years in office – had devastated the American middle class, which had grown during the Clinton years but was rapidly shrinking by late 2008 and early 2009 with the disappearance of millions of jobs.
Brief Reunion
Because of the alarm over the Bush administration, the Left and the governing Democrats found common ground in Election 2006 and 2008. In Election 2008, many progressives set aside their concerns about Barack Obama’s accommodating style of politics and rallied behind the first major-party African-American candidate for U.S. president.
Obama’s historic victory in November 2008 touched many progressives as it did other Americans, though some on the Left resisted any sentimentality.
On Election Night, I encountered Ralph Nader at the make-shift studio in downtown Washington where TheRealNews.com was handling its election coverage. He had run again as an independent candidate but had gotten far fewer votes than at his high point in 2000.
Nader was attacking Obama and the governing Democrats, making clear that he would continue opposing them unless they turned to him for advice and direction. He said that if they didn’t, he would be like “the canary in the coal mine,” an indication that Obama was another centrist sell-out.
No doubt, many progressives believe that Nader’s comment was prescient. The Obama administration did disappoint many of them by making too many concessions to the Republicans in a quixotic search for bipartisanship.
With the Republicans moving almost in lockstep against Obama’s initiatives -- and resorting to Senate filibusters at an unprecedented rate -- Obama and the Democrats did scale back their proposals, like the job stimulus plan, and they sacrificed key features, such as the public option for health insurance, in their bid for legislative accomplishments.
Obama also came in for progressive criticism for refusing to hold Bush and his subordinates accountable for torture and other war crimes, another example of governing Democrats shying away from a divisive struggle that they might deem not "good for the country."
Though Obama did begin winding down the Iraq War as he had promised, he acquiesced to the insistence of Bush holdovers at the Pentagon, including Gen. David Petraeus and Defense Secretary Robert Gates, for an escalation of the war in Afghanistan. [See Consortiumnews.com's "How Bush Holdovers Trapped Obama on Afghan War."]
The Right’s Narrative
While many on the Left grumbled about Obama’s centrist approach, the Right sold millions of Americans on an entirely different narrative, that Obama was a closet socialist who was taking over the economy and wasting tax dollars on useless jobs programs.
Again, the Right’s media dominance, contrasted with the Left’s media weakness, has played a key role in convincing a large segment of the population that whatever slur is directed at Obama and the Democrats is true.
This media dynamic, combined with the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling permitting unlimited corporate spending on political ads, has thrown the Democrats profoundly on the defensive, with many of them running away from their votes on health care and stimulus spending.
To compound this crisis facing the Democrats, many on the American Left have chosen this moment to repeat the experiences of 1968, 1980, 1994 and 2000 – determined to “teach the Democrats a lesson” by sitting out the election or voting for third parties.
There is little indication that these progressives have learned anything from the outcomes of those four earlier elections. Nobody seems to be asking the pertinent question: "Has that technique ever worked?"
Instead of the Left’s goal of pulling the governing Democrats and the American public to the left, the undeniable direction of U.S. politics (and media) has been to the right.
After 42 years, the Republicans are far more right-wing than Richard Nixon (and arguably even crazier), and most governing Democrats are far more centrist than the likes of Tip O’Neill, Lyndon Johnson and the old Democratic lions of that earlier era.
In other words, the Left’s notion of “teaching the Democrats a lesson” is a myth. It may make some progressives feel morally pure, but it doesn’t work. And, the results of the last 42 years should make clear that the idea is not only folly but it is dangerous.
If the pundits are correct and the Democrats go down to a crushing defeat on Nov. 2, the result will not be more progressive legislation but even less; not more spending on green jobs and a rebuilt infrastructure but more neglect; not a strengthening of the middle class but even starker financial inequities and enhanced corporate power; not a reordering of priorities away from the military-industrial complex but more tough-guy foreign policies.
Indeed, some of the more extreme Tea Party-backed candidates have made clear that their ultimate goal is the total repeal of FDR's New Deal. For both governing Democrats and disaffected progressives, the results of Election 2010 could well prove catastrophic.
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Show AllIf all I had were Dems and Reps on the ballot, I would not vote, let them destroy the country. The sooner the crooks in Washington are disbanded, the better, IMHO. It was said that those nasty Republicans wanted Obama to fail so they could take back congress. Well I want them both to fail so I can take back my country.
Love it!
You're going to take back your country, after it's been destroyed?
What the heck makes you think you would survive?
That is an accurate question to ask. They should be saying rebuilding our country, not taking it back.
The crazy neocons of the right ARE in power.
Every single political party that exists lost many elections before they became dominant.
The Green party message to the elite is that the Status quo will bring violent revolt. No, it's not stated in the platform.
Voting for the corporatocracy tag team works to further tyranny. This is not hard.
Pissy mood? Pissy mood? You have absolutely no idea. It is righteous anger, such as I have never seen. You city folks can have your pissy moods. Here, the utter betrayal by the Democrats is being taken very seriously. It is a not a "mood" of any kind, no matter what the condescending and arrogant talking heads say about it. It is a gathering storm of immense fury and power.
Things cannot get any worse here, and people are desperate. The Democrats won because millions of people, in desperation, gave them a chance for the first time in a generation. That happened because of the leftists in rural areas, not because of the suburban party apologists who, had they not been run out of the precincts, would have lectured people about their guns and churches and made the massive shift impossible.
This is a pissed on reality, not a "pissy mood." The damage done to the fortunes of the Democratic party in rural areas by this administration is deep and profound and lasting. You have no idea. This is not mere vanity or petulance. You may be able to lie to upscale sophisticated people and get away with it, but you can't lie to rural people and expect them to forget or roll over for it. It is over, dead as dead can be and will not be resuscitated in any of our lifetimes. rural people are suffering. They have no patience for the clever weasel-worded and improbable hair-splitting and self-contradicting arguments people are making to defend this administration. In fact, the more you talk the way you are here, the worse it will be.
It's claimed that " It is a not a "mood" of any kind, no matter what the condescending and arrogant talking heads say about it. It is a gathering storm of immense fury and power."
How can you possibly claim, without being condescending and arrogant, that "immense fury" is not a mood?
Jeez, get real, man. For starts, I'm not a Democrat, I'm a Green. You're expecting to convince me to switch by throwing insults? Interesting MO. Well, we're all different, eh?
When GW Bush was in office, I loathed that administration's policies. So why in heaven's name should I now, suddenly, support them just because they're clothed in a different suit?
As Tariq Ali says, nothing has changed but the mood music.
I'm curious, what would you say to a Republican who admonishes you for supporting Democrats and not switching to Republicans?
Yep Ken. You seem to understand. That's a good start.
Well stated!
I could care less about the war mongering, spying, corporate Democrats or the corporate duopoly they have built.
I am interested in killing the duopoly and building something new, perhaps out of the ashes, with a healthy dose of fresh, fertile soil amongst We the People. We can do it. We cannot let fear undermine our desires and dreams for a better country. I advise everyone here, do what you can. You don't have to put in 30 hours a week as an activist. Just a couple of hours is good.
Recommendations:
Join the Greens or other progressive third party. Help them build up the party - make it "viable!" You can help put up posters, if you don't have time for more. Most people here would make good leaders because they have a high aptitude for analysis and deconstructing BS. It's important to stay kind. That's the hard part.
Do not go out of your way to alienate people who don't agree with you. It doesn't help the cause. Be consistent, be principled. But remember, MLK was killed because he began to see that his principles on civil rights should be applied to other areas, such as worker rights, wars of empire, poverty, etc. So it may get uglier before it gets better. Following the duopoly is not going to make things better.
Help people in your community (homeless, children's programs, sustainable living, etc.) Join progressive groups who are doing this. Solidarity. Show your friends and neighbors that you walk the walk, you care about them and your country.
Organize fundraisers, speakers, go to city councils and speak up. Join with others to become a louder voice.
If you don't have a food co-operative, find interested people, do some research, and start one.
Protest in the streets. Defy the status quo.
You get the picture. The progressive movement needs to come out of the closet (the one the Democrats have had us in for far too long!) and join up with others in a much larger collective voice. We need to grow our own movement and stop tagging along with corporate Democrats. If I want tomatoes, I'm not going to the food corporation, I'm going to the growers market or I'll grow my own or I'll make a deal with my neighbors to supply me.
Stick to your principles! Don't be swayed by "compromise," when what you compromise towards is evil (the empire's duopoly, for example). "Candidate John has killed only 10 people while candidate Joe has killed 20! Vote for John!" better to turn away from both, do your best to have them locked up so we can be safer.
There is no way to build a new path through electoral politics unless you're willing to take the leap. Will We the People be punished for finally digging in our heels? YOU BET! Look at 2000 election and Down with Nader mantras that followed - for years! Sorry, no one said it would be easy or painless. When you get desperate enough, you'll see - this is the only way forward.
I made a promise to myself not to help any candidate who is voting for these wars, funding these wars, or voting for bills (healthcare) that We the People clearly didn't want. For Chrs sake, I am sick of having to justify my principles, my vote.
Is this naive? Yes! and no. You could call it idealism. What positive changes have been made that hasn't taken a healthy amount of determination and idealism?
Bottom line:
Our present tyranny must not continue. As long as we are willing to compromise with the corporatocracy, it will continue. They won't back down. They will kill those they cannot cow. We have no option but to be willing to lose everything, even our lives, or nothing will change.
Many still don't see the seriousness of this tyranny with PR lipstick. But enough of us do that the 'winners' of this (s)election will be riding a wild mountain lion.
I say this to the elite gatekeppers:
Turnabout is fair play. You have made us lose just about everything we have. You rich will now get the same treatment.
***Well stated!
I could care less about the war mongering, spying, corporate Democrats or the corporate duopoly they have built.
I am interested in killing the duopoly and building something new, perhaps out of the ashes, with a healthy dose of fresh, fertile soil amongst We the People. We can do it. We cannot let fear undermine our desires and dreams for a better country. I advise everyone here, do what you can. You don't have to put in 30 hours a week as an activist. Just a couple of hours is good.***
This is just so, if I could use a 60's term, right on. I return the first two woods of your post.
Welcome to the new revolution. It maybe be very quiet. Revolutionary acts of swapping a years fire wood for a years supply of meat. It maybe saying "nah I do not buy that corporation branded product. Nah I can do without that because I do not like what you do or your product really. I am going to buy from my neighbor."
"Stick to your principles!" totally agree.
Start to get to know your neighbors and local town folk. Buy local sell local. Start organizing around how you want your town, county or state to be.Direct democracy works best. When people vote on an issue the majority will get what they want. It stands that the majority of the people are happy about the results.Where I live we go to the town hall to vote on most stuff that happens in our town. If you are not able to do that organize to get your voice in our democracy.You have the right and the responsibility to decide what happens where you live.
And I am sure not going to vote for anyone or any party that will use my tax money to fund anything other than "for the general welfare" of "we the people". Nor will I vote for anyone that does not understand that national defense is about my borders and NOT about global domination for corporate profit.
I will be voting third party for the first time ever, after over 40 years of voting straight Democratic and working for the party.
I am voting in solidarity with my friends and neighbors, with fellow left wingers in the rural Midwest. We worked long and hard to turn rural counties Democratic in the last two elections, after decades of Republican domination.
Not only did Obama not act decisively on the health care crisis in rural areas, he clearly pandered to the very people who are responsible for the ongoing suffering and torment. Not only did Obama not help crumbling rural schools, he has put all of his energy into privatization. Not only did Obama not end the illegal wars, for which poor rural families pay a disproportionately high price, they have been escalated and there is no end in sight. Do people have any idea how the massive Wall Street bailout played in rural areas?
But beyond that Obama has dramatically escalated the paramilitary swat team raids - in complete disregard and contempt for the Bill of Rights - against small farmers, and broadened the reign of terror against brown farm workers. The hope that NAFTA and other "free trade" agreements that are killing small farmers would at least be reviewed is dead on arrival - putrefying now. All of the hype about Michelle planting an organic garden - in her designer outfit and with heels on - will be remembered here for a long time.
There is not one section of the rural popualtion that the Obama administration has not antagonized, and the anger is beyond anything I have seen in politics in 50 years. Decades of work wresting rural people away from the Republican party now lay is a heap of smoking ruins, utterly and permanently destroyed in less than 24 months. Every left wing political worker in the rural Midwest has been kneecapped, undermined and sabotaged.
Rural teachers, nurses, small factory Union workers, and farm workers have all been badly betrayed. Progressive forces have been set back decades. It is over here, it is so over and there is no evidence that leading Democrats have a clue about the danger they did to rural America. People are reeling and still in shock. They do not seem to care - after all, we are just stupid rednecks clinging to our guns and churches, right?
I cannot in good conscience defend or promote the Democrats to rural people - ever again. The people here are slow to move, but once they do it is rock solid. It is over here, to a shocking degree that I never could have imagined.
No one here is "teaching the Dems a lesson" - what a childish notion. The Dems taught us a lesson - schooled us - and it is a lesson people will not soon forget. Decades from now people will still be talking about the great mistake, the great betrayal, the great confidence game, the great swindle.
Great comment.
Sad truth.
Two Americas, thank you for an excellent comment.
You ought to be angry with those who bought into Obama's lies - despite his Senate voting record - and voted him in.
It's not the fault of every member of the entire Democratic Party.
The Republicans have effectively blocked the second stimulus - but the Dems got through some funding for the retention of firefighters and teachers.
How about a little anger for the 'progressives' who bailed out on Kucinich **during the primary** because he wasn't going to win? The primary is where you vote your ideals, even if it means 'losing.'
I'll agree with you on one thing: Obama has to go - but this is not a presidential election.
Far from letting the Dems lose seats, we ought to fight to give them larger majorities: then let them try to weasel out of legislating progressively. Even the Obamanable One would be put on notice. (I'm not saying he would change much, but everyone would be forced to take notice.)
By the way, most of the pathetic health care bill's provisions haven't even gone into effect yer.
If you think it's appallingly weak, we are definitely in agreement. If you think Obama sold out and even those who wanted better were at best weak, we are again in agreement.
Yet, I exhort you to take a look at the history of Social Security.
If you want everything from schools to Social Security privatized, if you want the the too-weak financial reform bill killed off instead of strengthened, and you don't want those *largely rural* health care clinics that are to be funded by the health care bill, be my guest: vote third party, don't vote at all. But don't come back in six years complaining. I'll give you your answer now: "If you'd been willing to give it a little time, we'd be well on our way by now. As it is, we're back to our starting place, but with even fewer good-paying jobs, a further-shrunken tax base, and a further out-of-control Wall Street, and even less chance of being able to afford it. But no, you went the Ted Kennedy route, and we were all left with nothing." [Remember how Ted Kennedy turned down Nixon's proposals for a national health care plan? Seems everyone has forgotten that was one of Nixon's goals - but the all-or-nothing, want-it-right-now lot snubbed him. Kennedy went to his grave regretting his part in undermining it. Feel free to duplicate his error.]
Yeah, go ahead and vote for more tax-breaks for the wealthy, increasing unemployment (you haven't seen the beginning of it!), and more deregulation all around, you are welcome to it. (If you don't vote against the Republicans, you might as well be voting for them.)
Say, that's an idea, why don't you go all out and vote Republican? There's no difference anyway, right? Perhaps the Koch brothers would be grateful enough to take care of you and yours. (Well, perhaps not...)
"Decades from now people will still be talking about the great mistake, the great betrayal, the great confidence game, the great swindle." Yes, indeed. Will you live long enough to regret having taken part in it?
Looking at the TV ads for Governor of California, I don't understand how anyone could vote for either of those lying, corporate-owned windbags running on the Republican and Democratic parties. The MSM is afraid to even mention the name of Laura Wells, even when she was arrested at the "debate" (like watching two white supremicists debating equal rights).
It's not punishment, it's disgust, which if you're not feeling, you're not paying attention.
Yes, you will destroy the two-party system, and you will then have a ONE party system, the Republican/Fascist Party. And you won't have to worry your little head about voting ever again.
Good luck with that! Oh, and thanks a lot!
And PS: the entire world is a disgrace, so do you leave it?
We only have one party now! The "Corporate Party" it has two phony sides D / R! At the end of the day they got home to agoining componds, they drink in the same clubs, party in the same parties. Theng they have most in common is they suck money and time away from us into their own hobbies.
In CA, at the Capitol, the lobbiests, and their hores outnumber sworn politicans 6 to one. None of tem has any interest for the people they poison, blow-up and trod opon than a cat has for what they leave in their box.
I only wish I could rip the blinders off the sheeple, and pour some sence into their ears!
>^^<
I am not seeking to "punnish" the Democratic party. My own vote is not worth much
but I refuse to reward a party (and administration) which consistently supports
positions which I have battled against. Democrats have again and again supported
racist,undemocratic zionist Israel both with military funds and with the lack of
support for Palestinian Rights. Why should I reward such a group with my support??
The Democrats have joined the corporatist powers to oppose single=payer health
care. The Democrats and this administration have rewarded the financial sector
and added to the profits of unregulated financial giants. (While pretending to
be populist. A joke.) The Democrats and this administration have joined to oppress
immigrants it has made poor (eg so-called "free trade" policies). The Democrats
and this administration have continued the Bush II warrior policies which I oppose
such as in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.
I think things will be worse under GOP leadership. I agree with others that I cannot vote again for such a (Democratic) party and its syncophants. I will probably vote Green, also "for the first time" as another commentor has said.
I would advise not to just "vote green" in the upcoming election by any means. Many candidates running under the Green Party are no better than the Dems you would oust by voting for the green party candidate. I'm by no means saying vote for the democrat. I won't be. I just hope people do their research before voting an equal evil under the green party guise. For instance, Running for senate and backed by the green party in Arizona is Jerry Joslyn. A quick check on Vote Smart where Joslyn voluntarily stated his stance on many issues they report that he:
1)Is for decreasing spending on the arts, international aid, while maintaining or increasing spending on homeland security and missile defense while only slightly increasing spending on education.
2)Is for eliminating capital gains and payroll taxes while only slightly raising corporate taxes and those on the wealthy. He rationalizes this with a flat tax rate of 28% and a standard $20,000 deduction.
3)Supports deregulation of the private sector.
4)does not support raising the federal minimum wage.
5)supports capital punishment
6)supports federal education standards eg. No Child Left Behind
7)supports the war in Afghanistan while he is not in favor of increasing economic development assistance for Afghanistan.
8)He is for further strikes in Pakistan
Even with many of the social issues I DO agree with him on. These points alone are enough to make me wince at the prospect of him voting in my interest as Senator. Make sure you research your Green Party candidates thoroughly before checking the box.
You don't know what "corruption" is (yet).
A "Myth"?
So What.
If we're going down with or without the Dem's "help", we might as well take the cowardly bastards with us.
The Dems have taught all of us a lesson, and it's not a new one. As Sir Winston Churchill famously said,
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
and
"Egalitarians create the most dangerous inequality of all -- inequality of power. Allowing politicians to determine what all other human beings will be allowed to earn is one of the most reckless gambles imaginable. Like the income tax, it may start off being applied only to the rich but it will inevitably reach us all."
The Dems have taught all of us a lesson, and it's not a new one. As Sir Winston Churchill famously said,
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
If that's the lesson you've learned from the Dems, perhaps its time to cart yourself off to the third grade and re-learn everything.
You state that
socialism = shared misery
Egalitrianism = inequality
Along your lines of thinking:
War = Peace
Freedom = Slavery
Ignorance = Truth
In addition this comment is also totally irrelevant to the thread - Horass
Quoting Churchill, the racist imperialist, sure gives your argument credibility, doesn't it?
Yeah, sir Winston also believed that Italy was the "soft underbelly of the Third Reich". Americans and Brits spent the year 1943 and part of 44 dying by the boatload in the rugged, difficult and well-defended terrain of Italy and accomplishing essentially nothing in the long term task of destroying the Third Reich. While this was happening, Russians, those bad "egalitarians", were reversing Hitler's onslaught in Stalingrad, and in the process actually beginning what would be the end, 1.5 years later, of the Nazis. Sir Winston knew this, of course, and it was why he wanted the West tied down in a pointless bloodbath in Italy, so that Hitler could continue his own bloodbath in the USSR, thereby weakening or destroying Stalin.
The people of the UK did the sensible thing and threw Sir Winston out right after the war. He was an unapologetic ruling class twit, racist, empire-builder and throwback to the Victorian Age, none of which appealled to a bankrupt, war-weary England in 1945. The idea that we should waste even a minute listening to Churchill's acidic and destructive frothings is as absurd as those frothings themselves.
Fabulous. You said it.
"While this was happening, Russians, those bad "egalitarians", were reversing Hitler's onslaught in Stalingrad, and in the process actually beginning what would be the end, 1.5 years later, of the Nazis. "
Although I agree with your post, for accuracy's sake I must object to this line.
One could only wish it was the end of Nazis, unfortunately, with Operation Paperclip, it's simply not true.
Along those lines, has anyone ever seen "George H.W. Bush" or "Barbara Bush"'s birth certificates? Apparently they don't exist in the public record.
Could this be why the red herring myth of Obama's "missing" (yet still somehow existent) birth certificate was originated?
Written like a guy who "got his". You ever have any real poverty and suffering in your life Horace? You sound like a true libertarian capitalist viper. Can you imagine what an actual functioning libertarian gov't would look like?...talk about sharing of misery!
The Dems have taught us nothing of the kind. The Dems, as a subset of the corporatocracy, have taught us that we must never allow the concentration of wealth and the celebration of greed and power to dictate social mores because it is the surest path to national wars, misery and suicide; in that order.
All greedy people look upon Socialism with suspicion. Et tu brute?
I look on state socialism with suspicion. I don't consider myself greedy (tho I have been known to take the last piece of pizza regularly). I think it has more to do with an incident at Kronstadt.
Well, maybe Obama will revert to his roots:
Associated Press Writer= NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) — President Barack Obama's polygamist half brother in Kenya has married a woman who is more than 30 years younger than him.
The 19-year-old's mother told The Associated Press on Friday she is furious that her daughter quit high school and married the 52-year-old.
Mary Aoko Ouma says her daughter tried to marry Malik Obama two years ago, but the mother says she wouldn't give permission.
Malik Obama, who is Muslim, has two other wives. Polygamy is legal in Kenya if it falls under religious or cultural traditions.
In an interview broadcast by Kenya's NTV that was filmed without his knowledge, Malik Obama says he married the 19-year-old but didn't say when.
And what relevance does this comment have to the thread?
None.
Why don't you stuff your racist right wing talking points.
Better simply not to feed this right wing troll.
Well said. It's the non sequitur trick:
1) Off the wall comment with some racist button pushing
2) Get people riled up and hijack the thread on non-issue squabbling
3) Keep it up day after day until you get banned
4) Get another IP address from your PR firm getting juicy government psyops contracts
5) Laugh all the way to the bank with your blood money
Rinse and repeat (with a new handle, of course).
So what does that have to do with Obama? Lets do the same to Bush's crew. Lets see... Dick Cheney shot a guy in the face, Cheney didn't serve in Vietnam, because he had "other priorities". Bush fought the Viet Cong from Texas. Bush was an admitted alcoholic that was also reported to have used Cocaine. Bush was also reported to have gotten a young girl pregnant, but she was apparently bought off with a new house to keep her mouth shut about it. Bushes wife killed somebody in a car accident, an oh yea and Prescott Bush was reported to have Nazi ties.
I am NOT a big fan of Obama but I really just can't let hypocritical pointless B/S go unchallenged.
NC-Tom: One more thing: Bush walked around his ranch hand in hand with Prince Bandar!
Speaking of the "ranch", Bush bought it just before his first election and sold it once he left office. As far as I could tell it was just an image thing, meant to make the guy from CT look like a regular southerner kind of guy...
"I am NOT a big fan of Obama but I really just can't let hypocritical pointless B/S go unchallenged."
Dave Lindorff switched from supporting a third party to voting for Obama for this very reason! He heard the racism and it made him want to protect Obama.
The psyops technicians have used this (easy to do, as racists are everywhere) as a way to get support for Obama. When someone says something racist, it creates a situation where you want to circle the wagons.
This is why I'm sure the Dems want to lose. They ridiculed progressives who are critical of Democrats and Obama. All that did was create a back lash against them. More progressives are leaving the D party than ever before.
This suits their purposes - to be back in their cozy minority place where they can pretend to be an opposition and we all can pretend they're better and we all can work to get them elected again, and we can humiliate those who went independent. Forever!
Trust me, I've read quite a few of Horace's posts. He aint no psyops guy. He's just an internet troll trying to stir things up. IMHO anybody who actually believed what this idiot posts would be too stupid to able to get onto the internet.
Prescott Bush had his assets seized under the Trading With The Enemy act because he was proven at the time (not merely reported) to be the main power broker behind financing the Nazi Regime. The bank he controlled was the principal financial backer of I.G. Farben, the company that administered Auschwitz. He was, however, still a senator at the time. After WWII he helped many Nazis acquire papers to enter the US illegally as part of Operation Paperclip.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread280841/pg1
I recommend this article be read. Not saying you should believe it, I am not sure if I do... but, it does make some sense.
Here's the myth: "It's the progressives fault".
If any Dems lose their seats, or if the net effect of this election is bad for the left, the loss was IN SPITE OF, not because of the progressives, or the 'professional left' or some other nonsense.
IT WAS ALL OBAMA'S, AND THE PANDERING, DO ANYTHING TO APPEASE THE RIGHT BLUE-DOGS' FAULT.
Stop blaming us for making the wrong choice in the devil's bargain!
–SS
It's my fault because I vote my conscience, as all voters should, but only the progressives are intelligent enough to see it. If Americans would wake up, the corporate pigs at the trough would be swept away in a single day of principled voting. Instead, I'm just biding my time, waiting for the empire to fall. And it will fall--a nation this evil will not survive itself.
"There was very little soul-searching on the Left, which viewed itself as essentially blameless for the catastrophes that the Reagan years wrought." lol.
"It may be a bitter irony that the one major political accomplishment of America’s Green Party will be that it helped condemn the world to environmental disaster.
Whether Nader backers acknowledge their complicity or not, the hard truth is that the American Left – in this attempt to “teach the Democrats a lesson” – contributed to the dangerous ascension of George W. Bush to power." lofl.
"In other words, the Left’s notion of “teaching the Democrats a lesson” is a myth. It may make some progressives feel morally pure, but it doesn’t work. And, the results of the last 42 years should make clear that the idea is not only folly but it is dangerous." rotflmao.
This article acts like its the progressive electorate that's at fault. Last time I checked, the electorate can only vote for the choices given to them, and when a candidate's in office, the electorate doesn't do the governing. Who really is at fault here -- the powerless, marginalized progressives, or is there someone else who truly deserves the blame for this mess?
Hmmm I wonder, could it be the Dems themselves?!
–SS
Yes, and Mr. Parry can't see the forest for the trees like so many other apologists. The entire big money, corporate personhood, money as free-speech, offices for the highest bidder, winner takes all sham is NOT DEMOCRACY in the first place. When the rules of the game are rigged, why should we be surprised that this BS happens every single election cycle? Why should we be surprised that policy shifts ever right-ward no matter which faction of the Corporate Party is in power.
So basically, after all that, what Mr. Parry appears to be saying (like so many other pundits) is:
Oh well , it aint perfect, but we have to live with it, the Ds are less evil than the Rs so STFU and vote D in November.
As November draws ever nearer the chorus is getting louder, and the desperation of D-party cheerleaders is growing.
It doesen't matter who you vote for, Mr. Parry this is SYSTEMIC. No matter who is in power policy marches ever rightward. History clealry shows this and Zinn aint the only one who made that observation.
I aint asking for much, I wish we had Nixon right about now, that's how bad things have become. At least Nixon proposed a decent health care system and the marginal tax rates were much more progressive back then.
It is quite clear to me that voting is only a legitimizing tool for the ruling Corporate class. Democracy Inc. is big business, big money, exercise in futility.
I must say that our so called democracy is the most expensive and sophisticated propaganda, er I mean public relations exercise in the history of the world.
Lets all get in the shit! Teabaggers, everybody and then they can ask themselves; how, how did this happen? That is the repug side; the dem side? Traitors to whatever they PROFESS to believe. Total bullshit. Tony
the difference between the rethugs and the democrats?
imagine you are drowning and the republicans throw you a 50 lb rock.......
while the democrats only throw you a 30 lb rock......
Voting for the lesser of 2 evils delivers an increasing amount of evil every single time......
hence voting for the ever rightward big money corporate whoring democrats will only lead to a further corporatization of america - if that's possible.....
"it's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it"! eugene debs
I say vote 3rd party and if the demo's lose by less than the 3rd party receives then maybe they will wake up and become a TRUE DEMOCRAT instead of being corporate DLC jerkoffs.
Let's remember that Obama has made his own bed with his lack of delivery for ending reaganomics as he stated he wanted to do......Obama had the people behind him and BLEW IT and now wants to blame his biggest supporters - screw him.....
I'm one of the retards they talk about - and if I were to vote for these corporate DLC'ers then I really would be a RETARD!
Correct. Progressives voting for Democrats have caused Democrats to move steadily to the right. It's possible that voting third party WILL make things marginally worse in the short run--Dems aren't quite as bad as Repugs. But in the long run, if the Dems learn they can no longer take the support of the left for granted, they will be forced to shift to the left. I am proud of my votes for Nader.