I agree.

Oh they have plenty of spine alright. When it comes to dialing for dollars and doing the bidding of their masters they have a lot of courage. The difference between Ds and Rs is that the Ds are better liars.

You have got to remember that It is not the republicans and democrats anymore It is us vs them.
And them guys got all the cards!

SUPPORT THE EMPIRE SEND YOUR NEIGHBORS KIDS

From the headline any sane person would know to SKIP the goddamned pandering of MM and go straight to the comments boards.

Is MM really such a fool??? or does he just play one on TV???

NONETHELESS -- whatever our individual dissatisfactions with anything Michael Moore does or "does not do enough of"....

WHAT HE DELINEATED in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS - which many individuals know already - but NEED a "BIG LOUD MOUTH" (like michael - but that's an appreciation)

IS CORRECT and MORALLY RIGHT.

in this -- we should highly Commend Mister Moore for CLEARLY, EMPHATICALLY putting it.

that's what's needed from people with the power of the "megaphone" -- whatever ELSE happens after that. it is STILL better than to say NOTHING or merely to "whisper" it in the internet among "ourselves"...or as disparate individuals.

in THIS case - Mister Moore is using his position PROPERLY and for the right reasons and hoping for the right "results".

at least - that way -- OBAMA and company will have been challenged FACE ON.

and "show themselves" once and for all as they say they "will" YET AGAIN because they are fearful of the election debacle coming at them.

in this way -- Michael Moore is drawing a CLEAR line in the sand for everyone to see..most IMPORTANTLY the american people to SEE.

mister moore is , in his own way, doing something that reminds me of a scene late in that great famous trilogy "LORD OF THE RINGS" by JRR TOLKIEN.

in the BOOK ..there is a point where Frodo carrying the ring to destroy its evil in the Volcano Mount Doom, deep in the heart of the Evil Sauron's realm, and his ever-loyal sidekick Samwise Gamgee are cornered by the suspicious and of course war-weary soldiers of the Kingdom of Gondor , the enemy of Evil Sauron.

not knowin what their fate might be: will the young warrior chief and son of the lord of gondor HAND FRODO and the RING of Power over to his father , the lord of gondor , who will be tempted and become evil under the ring ? and betray everything?

will he , as a young Lord -in -waiting himself instead TAKE the RIng of Power for himself and all its Magic to give overwhelming abilities to RULE?

and so - in that moment of great choices -

Samwise Gamgee told the young Chief Warrior, Lord Faramir:

"Sire -- this is the time -- to show your QUALITY".

of course faramir passed that severe test: SO CLOSE to unlimited power for himself..all he had to do was TAKE that ring from Frodo's neck ...and HE becomes a GREAT, GREAT ruler to challenge Sauron himself and rule all of Middle Earth and become Immortal.

but says:

"nay -- not even were the ring laid on the ground before me will I take it, now that I know what it IS..I will rather FLEE from it, lest i FALL Low in the Test...do not show me the Thing again, do not even MENTION it to me again.....

“But fear no more! I would not take this thing, if it lay by the highway. Not were Minas Tirith falling in ruin and I alone could save her, so, using the weapon of the Dark Lord for her good and my glory. No, I do not wish for such triumphs, Frodo son of Drogo.[8]"

"“Even if I were such a man as to desire this thing, and even though I knew not clearly what this thing was when I spoke, still I should take those words as a vow and be held by them”

“but I am not such a man. (GREAT - like his older brother) Or I am wise enough to know that there are some perils from which a man must flee”

" ‘For myself,’ said Faramir,

‘I would see the White Tree in flower again in the courts of the kings, and the Silver Crown return, and Minas Tirith in peace: Minas Anor again as of old, full of light, high and fair,

beautiful as a queen among other queens: not a mistress of many slaves,
nay, not even a kind mistress of willing slaves.

War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all;

but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory.

I love only that which they defend: the city of the Men of Númenor;

and I would have her loved for her memory, her ancientry, her beauty, and her present wisdom.

Not feared, SAVE AS MEN MAY FEAR THE DIGNITY OF A MAN, OLD AND WISE.

‘So fear me not! I do not ask you to tell me more. I do not even ask you to tell me whether I now speak nearer the mark. But if you will trust me, it may be that I can advise you in your present quest, whatever that be—yes, and even aid you.’

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this is the kind of moment that Michael Moore is trying to use his "megaphone" - whatever HIS failures might be as others see them - to challenge OBAMA and his ILK "democrats"...

"SHOW YOUR QUALITY".

OF COURSE -- in all likelihood OBAMA democrats and congress and "leaders" of the HIGH....

are already far beyond salvation.

THEY ARE minions of Sauron the Dark Lord .. and Washington is their Mount Doom with its Evil Rings of Power in their Global "land of Mordor".

If that happens you're going to get Palin/Brewer instead. Is that better? Didn't think so.

I have a similar reaction, drone.

This will probably become another Moore article that generates hundreds of comments bickering over whether Moore is more to be admired, pitied, or censured.

But I hope there won't be too many denying that Moore's politics are still fatally anchored to supporting the Democrats, and seeing the Democratic Party, albeit an imaginary reformed (and reformable) Democratic Party, as the path to sociopolitical salvation.

This time around, Moore is definitely channeling his inner naïve Democrat. It may be well-meaning, but it reads like the work of an enthusiastic adolescent high school political-science club geek.

I believe as they have speaker in both houses, that those speakers can introduce bills without going through committees.

"Corporations are not People" could be one.

Just those 3 words, put fort with the proper enumeration to become law.

call it "The October Surprise Part 2 Bill"

You are too generous. His films show that he is well acquainted with bias and misrepresentation.

Blaming the previous administration does work, but its the voters who do the blaming. Bush for domestic, foreign, and personal failure, Clinton for moral transgressions.
Hard to argue with any of Morre's suggestions, however, asking millionaires to tax millionaires has, so far, proved futile.

in a way you are right...and perhaps Moore is indeed asking for something that will not happen either way.

in many ways -- this "blaming game" will not work -- because of one thing;

the American populace itself.

they are already poised to once again "vote" in teh same seesaw machine..thinking of course that by "changing" their votes - they are escaping an american self-administered (and i mean by that not JUST by politicians but AMERICANS as a people) --

disease.

there is simply - no other way.

the democrats and republicans are beyond salvation as political parties in any manner that talks about "common good, liberty, justice, truth".

they - as parties are THROUGH and THROUGH CORRUPT.

and a people that keeps RETURNING to the same POTS - merely switching from one to the other in a general SINGLE DIRECTION - are themselves part of the entire Corrupt structure,,,even if they think they are trying to "make changes' through their "will" of merely

PULLING a lever or pushing a button.

the CORRUPTION and therefore the LOSS of liberties and truth and real choices and justice

were LOST LONG AGO...

by BOTH the leaderships and the american people.

what will happen is merely like a dismally poor imitation of Kabuki theatre..like a pantomime of make-believe "election" which of course the majority of those that will vote -- between GOP and DEMOCRATS -- will convince themselves is a path to salvation...

because they think that by PUNISHING the democrats after PUNISHING the GOP -- they are showing their WILL - even if they are themselves complicit in being MADE to HEEL!!

the USA is now like an accelerating Train Wreck into an abyss..already in it, just boring ever deeper into the hole ...with people trying to save themselves by running from the FIRST CAR to the Last Car...with one car having GOP on the door, the next car Democrat on the Door...and the rest -- trying to jump OFF but hanging on for dear life trying to find the right moment to do so....but even THAT is being swiftly dragged down by the Train Wreck USA. it's its nature, in fact. it's like a GIANT MAW that swallows everything in its path in orgies of destruction of everything that makes life worthwhile or meaningful.

but the whole train : USA TRAIN WRECK. the only thing people can really do now is try to weather that storm and as far as they can endure - try to preserve what little liberties or decencies in life they can...even as they know or realize more and more that as decent as they try to be....they ARE INSIDE the TRAIN USA WRECK.

i fear for us all in the USA.

I agree with Roberts as well Mordie, (Greenwald and others have a similar take). Another similar way to see it is how Sheldon Wolin describes "inverted totalitarianism".

It took me years and years as well to see through the most sophisticated and expensive public relations machine in the history of the world. The illusion of "democracy" must be maintained at all costs. Besides elections and campaigns are big business in and of themselves, Obama/McCain alone cost over a billion dollars - the most expensive election campaign in the history of the world.

The Paul Craig Roberts article you recommend, "It's Official: The United States is Now a Police State," is well worth reading. (Mr. Roberts served in the Reagan administration, and has decades of credentials since from the conservative side.)

Maybe instead of wasting his time beating a dead horse, Michael Moore could find a way to make a funny documentary about how our hope and change Democrats have destroyed the U.S. Constitution.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts283.html

by Paul Craig Roberts:

On September 24, Jason Ditz reported on Antiwar.com that “the FBI is confirming that this morning they began a number of raids against the homes of antiwar activists in Illinois, Minneapolis, Michigan, and North Carolina, claiming that they are ‘seeking evidence relating to activities concerning the material support of terrorism.’”

Now we know what Homeland Security (sic) secretary Janet Napolitano meant when she said on September 10: “The old view that ‘if we fight the terrorists abroad, we won’t have to fight them here’ is just that – the old view.” The new view, Napolitano said, is “to counter violent extremism right here at home.”

“Violent extremism” is one of those undefined police state terms that will mean whatever the government wants it to mean. In this morning’s FBI’s foray into the homes of American citizens of conscience, it means antiwar activists, whose activities are equated with “the material support of terrorism,” just as conservatives equated Vietnam era anti-war protesters with giving material support to communism.

Anti-war activist Mick Kelly whose home was raided, sees the FBI raids as harassment to intimidate those who organize war protests. I wonder if Kelly is underestimating the threat. The FBI’s own words clearly indicate that the federal police agency and the judges who signed the warrants do not regard antiwar protesters as Americans exercising their Constitutional rights, but as unpatriotic elements offering material support to terrorism.

“Material support” is another of those undefined police state terms. In this context the term means that Americans who fail to believe their government’s lies and instead protest its policies, are supporting their government’s declared enemies and, thus, are not exercising their civil liberties but committing treason.

As this initial FBI foray is a softening up move to get the public accustomed to the idea that the real terrorists are their fellow citizens here at home, Kelly will get off this time. But next time the FBI will find emails on his computer from a “terrorist group” set up by the CIA that will incriminate him. Under the practices put in place by the Bush and Obama regimes, and approved by corrupt federal judges, protesters who have been compromised by fake terrorist groups can be declared “enemy combatants” and sent off to Egypt, Poland, or some other corrupt American puppet state – Canada perhaps – to be tortured until confession is forthcoming that antiwar protesters and, indeed, every critic of the US government, are on Osama bin Laden’s payroll.

Americans are the most gullible people who ever existed. They tend to support the government instead of the Constitution, and almost every Republican and conservative regards civil liberty as a coddling device that encourages criminals and terrorists.Almost every Republican and conservative and, indeed, the majority of Americans will fall for this, only to find, later, that it is subversive to complain that their Social Security was cut in the interest of the war against Iran or some other demonized entity, or that they couldn’t have a Medicare operation because the wars in Central Asia and South America required the money.

The US media, highly concentrated in violation of the American principle of a diverse and independent media, will lend its support to the witch hunts that will close down all protests and independent thought in the US over the next few years. As the Nazi leader Joseph Goebbels said, “think of the press as a great keyboard on which the Government can play.”

An American Police State was inevitable once Americans let “their” government get away with 9/11. Americans are too gullible, too uneducated, and too jingoistic to remain a free people. As another Nazi leader Herman Goering said, “The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. Tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace-makers for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger.”

This is precisely what the Bush and Obama regimes have done. America, as people of my generation knew it, no longer exists.

I am sad to say that I agree with you, Mordechai. I haven't read Roberts' article, but that sounds like an apt summation of the American people.

"The Democrats are smugly and exactly what they want to be: thieves, liars and warmongers of the ladies and gentlemen variety."

Mordechai consistently comes up with quotable gems!