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When Will We All Need to Carry Identity Papers?
Once again, what we don't know about the erosion of rights in this country can be as bad as what we do.
While Americans debate and litigate the Arizona law authorizing search and seizure of anyone police "reasonably suspect" to be an illegal immigrant, U.S. immigration officials on trains and buses up to 100 miles south of the Canadian border are confronting and sometimes strip-searching dark-skinned passengers whose only "crime" may be that they bought a public-transportation ticket to travel within the United States, The New York Times reports.
It's part of what some consider the new and improved border patrols to protect "the homeland" from potential terrorists. No matter that the kind of people being stopped, The Times reports, include an 60-year-old Ecuadoran-born U.S. citizen who carries a passport while visiting her sister in the Midwest because she's been stopped before and hassled without it. No matter that it includes a Taiwanese-born PhD student who, two days after delivering a paper at a Chicago conference, was taken from a train -- one that had never crossed any borders -- in Batavia, N.Y., strip-searched in a detention center and held, facing detention, because his visa had expired. No matter that a 21-year-old Long Island high school graduate was taken from the Lake Shore Limited in Rochester, N.Y., held for three weeks while her mother frantically tried to reach her and released at night at a rural Texas gas station.
These are not rumors. They are true stories, reported and told by The New York Times. They smack of overt racial profiling: How many blue-eyed Swedes and fair-skinned Russians do you think have been stopped on the trains and buses, whether they are gangsters, terrorists or simply PhD students? And they raise chilling reminders of World War II movies in which Nazi soldiers would walk down the aisles of trains looking for Jews.
"It's turned into a police state on the northern border," Cary M. Jensen, director of international services for the University of Rochester told The Times. He said foreign students, scholars and parents all have been questioned and, in some cases, jailed because the patrol did not recognize their legal status, the paper reports.
As I said, some Americans, frightened by our decade of war and fearful of anyone "different," will applaud the newfound vigilance of immigration officials. Some, no doubt, were among the tens of thousands who flocked to the Lincoln Memorial this weekend to hear calls that America return to a more honorable time when we didn't have to worry about foreigners (read non-white foreigners) crossing our borders. Just when that was I'm not sure since we are a nation founded by the poor and persecuted.
What the Tea Party folks may not be thinking is that this is how police states start. I wonder how they'd feel as white Americans (and the Tea Party is white) if police in Mexico pulled them off a train and threw them in jail because they'd forgotten to carry identity papers?
As for the rest of us, perhaps it's time to do more than yawn and turn on that new flat screen TV to catch pre-season football. My father fled Hitler's Germany on foot in 1935, walking through the mountains into what was then Czechoslovakia. If he taught me one thing it was this: What happened there can happen anywhere. That is why even as an American Army vet and longtime U.S. citizen, he never let his passport expire. He was always prepared to move on.
War and fear erode a country's moral compass and distort its sense of just action. Subtly for most, we've lived in a state of both for nearly a decade. And in the process -- a little domestic wire-tapping here, a few false arrests of foreign-born there -- we've begun to accept the significant erosion of the very principles on which this country was founded: its openness, its acceptance of difference, and its welcoming of those with little in their wallets, but with an ethic of hard work and a can-doism that's always allowed this country to be inventive and thrive.
These were captured in the Emma Lazarus poem taught to all school children and mounted at the Statue of Liberty:
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Be sure to tell those huddled masses not to ride the buses or the Lake Shore Limited routes from Chicago to New York. In the Buffalo sector alone, the border patrol reports arresting 1,050 on trains, buses and the stations of both in the six months between October 2007 and April 2008, The New York Times reports. That's roughly six people a day.
The Buffalo sector didn't say how many people were questioned and let go. Or how many of those arrests proved false.
You may shrug. Not your issue. I hope not. Me? I'll keep my passport current.
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Show AllThe complacency is sad. Similar stories could be told I'm sure all along our Northern border. When will we all have to carry our papers, eh? Gosh but you don't "look like a foreigner" so why should you have to carry 'em. Just what does a foreigner look like?
I, like the author, have a current passport....
While visiting Arizona this summer, my boyfriend and I were followed by a Border Patrol SUV for several miles then pulled over. The agent walked up to our vehicle, told us someone had reported a "suspicious vehicle," then said, "but you two look ok." We're both white, is that why we're "ok"? We were never asked for driver's license (not that it would've mattered; NM issues licenses to everyone, including illegal immigrants) or any form of ID. I wonder what would have happened if we had been dark-haired, dark-skinned, and spoke English with accents?
You get told to get out of your vehicle, lay down on the ground face down , handcuffed and arrested........If you open your mouth to complain, you get beaten!
The United States is now a "National Security State" without "Due Process"!
The wealthy 1% and the whites with $250,000 or more are ready to help support "This Projected New World Order"....and love the idea of being "The Chosen Ones"!
Don't lump "the whites" all together like that! That's insane! I'm white, poor and my children are bi-racial. I am very much against The New World Order and the elite Illuminati. Don't make fair skinned people the enemy! It's the world elite's agenda we need to band against..and they don't care if you're white, brown or blue...they just want to use the masses for their benefit and mass kill the surplus of us regardless of our race.
If you saw a guy running from a bank dressed in black carrying a bag with a dollar sign, would you assume he is just a normal law abiding citizen.
There is a fine line between profiling and common sense. 99% of illegal immagrants near the Mexican border are:
A) Mexican
B) Albino's
C) 5 yr old white girls
None of these. Illegal immigrants come in all ethnicities from all countriers. Though approximately 46% in the border states are from Mexico, but thats not exactly surprising.
and your 46% figure came from where?
yeah..I'd like to know where the 46% figure comes from too. It may or may not be accurate. As we all know, statistics are gathered with a bias and the first question you should ask about any "scientific" study, research or survey is : WHO is funding it, and what do they (or someone affiliated with them) have to gain from this outcome? Usually the answer is money and or power.
D) cartoon character! lol...bank bags with dollar signs! lol...no....but seriously, questionable stat and incorrect spelling aside...your point is well taken there can be a blurry line between "racial profiling" and common sense. But there are more complicated issues at hand. Like the fact that we are detaining and shipping these people back to Mexico only to knowingly allow a handful or crooked wealthy people recruit a new batch of illegals to come over and work in basically indentured servitude existence. The situation is unfair either way to the Mexicans AND the general (non rich & exploitive) U.S. citizen!
It is time for lawsuits.
Everytime you are stopped, a civil right is being violated.
Time to Sue.
Love
Zero
It doesn't matter what you look like. Ever since Congress eliminated due process (habeas corpus) for "enemy combatants" in October 2006, all the authorities need to do is label you an "enemy combatant" and you will not have the right to prove your true identity, even if you have a passport in hand.
You are absolutely correct about this. It doesn't matter who you are..left, right, white, brown or black....if the current office disagrees with you, you could be labeled a terrorist! This is NOT a left or right thing folks!!! Our constitutional rights have been expertly eroded during the current (Obama) administration, both Bush administrations (enacting the "Patriot Act") and even in the Clinton admin (he was involved in the beginning of the Patriot Act folks) The left and right may not agree on most anything but if either have a lick of common sense they will band together to agree on protecting our basic rights of privacy, speech, assembly and choice of religion. And by the way, speaking out about disagreeing with each other on our values and ideas is very much in keeping with the spirit of these freedoms! As long as neither side attempts to restrict the legal RIGHTS of the other, we should feel free to try to persuade one another...peacefully and respectfully.
sorry Zero,
lawsuits would work if well paid lawyers wouldnt betray their clients and judges would uphold the process of equal chance to present evidence. Whenever the complicit courts deem necessary they abort due procedures and issue a Summary Judgment. Bar Associations protect nearly all lawyers and judges are largely immune from prosecution. Sorry to puncture that bubble
true. sad..but true!
Nah..it's time for a revolution!
I have a license and a passport. I show my 'papers' if I make a credit card purchase. What is the point of this article?
Why should you have to? If the credit card is stolen the reading machine knows this instantaneously. The cops could be there in 5 minutes for this felony. Is your real name, Rollover?
" If the credit card is stolen the reading machine knows this instantaneously."
Wrong. There can be a considerable lag of time between the time of the theft of the card to when the owner realizes it's been stolen. Then it takes some time for the databases to get updated once it is reported.
If what you stated were true, there would never be any credit card fraud at all. When they ask you for your ID when you make a credit card purchase, you should thank them for asking.
True, but he said he uses his ID every time he uses his card.. If you're not a thief why should you volunteer this. Slippery slope time, again. Presumption of guilt in the absence of a crime seems to be quite a stretch. I guess we could all run around, like Sally Field at the Oscars saying, " You like me, You really like me, Mastercard and Visa!! "
" If you're not a thief why should you volunteer this. "
The idea is to prevent theft by showing you are the owner of the card. If they always assumed you weren't a theif and did not ask for ID, then theives would be able to take advantage of that fact.
What makes you think I haven't? My post was a reponse to the idea that you shouldn't have to present ID when using a credut card.
Seriously? You're equating making a purchase by an optional means with travel? You're saying that a commercial exchange is the same as the ability to move freely without governmental interference?
That's a splendidly inapt analogy.
Hi mister, 'Don't Go There' attitude. You can't just be sarcastic and then conclude I"m wrong. I guess you can if you are an idiot..which is most likely the case here.
Had no idea I was being so obscure.
According to the Supreme Court the right to travel is tantamount to a Constitutional right. Rights existing at that level are not to be lightly trammeled.
There is no similar protection for making a credit card purchase. It does not remotely rise to the level of a right.
Thus, I believe there is no valid comparison between the fact that you must produce identification to make a credit card purchase--a wholly optional and totally voluntary transaction--and being asked to produce identification when you are doing nothing other than traveling, and have given no probable cause for questioning.
In fact, being asked by a law enforcement officer to produce identification is being detained (may or may not qualify as an arrest). Being asked by a store clerk to produce identification to make a credit card purchase is not in the same ballpark.
First, anyone who says 'Thus' in argument is a doush
Second, the article is about having to show identity, not whether all forms of showing it are the same. My simple point is...we already have to have identity on us. I don't know anyone who doesn't carry a license.
Third, we pay police to uphold our laws of the constitution. Which as it turns out, judges can interprit the constitution however they feel nowadays.
Fourth, From philosophy class I learned people only have one true right - the right to be left alone. You would say given that there should be no just asking for papers without cause. I would say that there is an issue where a law in my country in being broken by those imposing themselves on my tax dollar and there wouldn't be a reason for the searches if people were not doing so. I will not tie an officers hands and blind fold him when he can make very easy common sense decisions.
Illegal Immagrants from Mexico are....Mexico
Terrorists are....Muslim (100% of the the top 50 most wanted are)
Liberals are... hippies ;)
Ya see... Use your common sense and it can save a whole lot of time and tax payer money. If I was asked for identity, I would be happy to show it because its for the right cause.
"First, anyone who says 'Thus' in argument is a doush"
Right! Only "ergo" will be allowed going forward.
LOL....go Jake! You took the sarcastic reply right out of my mouth...ergo..I need say not more! (teehee)
First, the word is Douche.
Second... Hi I'm Kevin. I do not carry any I.D. I don't even have any. It's nice to meet you. (And yes, I do fly on airplanes and travel to and from Canada)
Third... There is no such thing as "laws of the constitution" what ever those may be. And, as it turns out, judges cannot interpret the constitution any way they like. Hell, most people in America, this means U.S. citizens, are not protected by the bill of rights. They are protected by the equal protection clause and the due process clause of the 14th amendment. Access to the bill of rights is reserved for common law Citizens. Enfranchised citizens have no rights, only privileges.
Fourth... Your philosophy may only recognize the right to be left alone. The supreme Court recognizes about 12,0000 inalienable rights. My philosophy says you only have as many rights as you can articulate and defend. Also, statutes are not laws.
Fifth... Terrorists come in many flavors. Most identify themselves as Christians or Jews. I have never met a hippie who was a liberal, and I have never met a liberal who was a hippie.
Sorry to hear you are still a taxpayer. As far as I'm concerned anyone with a conscience could not support the world's largest terrorist. (Uncle Sugar)
P.S. Common sense is not very common. In north America I find it to be most uncommon. (Just like courage)
Later,
Kevin
" Most identify themselves as Christians or Jews."
Really?
First, you must get called that a lot if you know the spelling
Second.. You don't have ID? You must be an illegal immigrant. Please goto jail.
3-4: just BS and wrong statements.
Fifth: Most terrorists are Christians and Jews? I think me, most of the world, and even Bin Ladin want to know how you got to that conclusion. Jihad isn't in the bible.
Later Dousche (Did I get it right?)
First, name calling and hostility never actually changes anyone's mind you know..so it's fruitless.
Second, not having ID most certainly does NOT mean he "must be an illegal immigrant" (he is likely a conscientious objector)
Thirdly, if he WAS one he is not likely to go to jail because you said please..lol....
Fourth,..please explain WHY his points 3 & 4 are wrong.
Fifth, I agree that his statement about Christians & Jews was WAY wrong.
Sixth, please capitalize the B in Bible. (It is very important to those of us who believe it.)
Seventh, no..wrong again..and the sad thing is that all you had to do was scroll up a few bars to see the correct spelling is (still) "douche" and that it would have made your argument less easy to disregard. Think first....react slowly..and with thought and develop a sense of respect and you may find you get your point heard, understood and maybe even considered more frequently my friend!
Hi Kevin<
You had me up until your fifth point. True, terrorists come in many flavors..but as far as the grossly generalized allegations that most terrorists identify themselves as either Christians or Jews..you flew way off into the nether regions with that one!!!
The hippie never being a liberal thing was weird too...I use to be an avid follower of the Grateful Dead and was def. at that time what most would consider quite "liberal". I affiliate with neither lib nor conserv. party per se anymore nor do I fit neatly into or ascribe to their over simplified labels (for me or most others.)
But more importantly I'd like a little clarification around your wild accusation about Christians and Jews please.
btw..everything after your 5th point I agreed with too!
Respectfully,
Bea
this is a TROLL comment that favors a nazi-like police state (not that we aren't already there)...
ignore
There was no need to 'flag' this comment. idiotic as the comment is, it's not offensive or deserving of a 'flagging'.
Assuming that you are not a troll, perhaps you might see a difference between making a purchase and facing arrest by the thugs - uhh, police I mean - if you don't present your papers to them? One should not have to present papers to the police when taking transit or walking down the street if one really does live in a free country.
The police state is here however. Has been for a while. It's the logical outgrowth of the cancer that is the war on some drugs, and it's going to get worse as the economy continues to implode under the pressures of low wages and high debts.
First, I'm pretty sure I'm not a troll. I am a human being.
Second, The law never said anyone would have to present papers walking down the street, unless you were walking down the street and decided to rob somebody and got caught doing it.
This reminds me of anarchist teenagers that don't want government but complain when it's not there when they need it.
No, son... I read your other posts. You are a troll, looking to create a fuss by using stupid arguments and making inflammatory remarks.
You've not read the article, and if you did you didn't understand what it said.
Buh bye.
Donderton: "What is the point of this article?"
As the saying goes "If you have to ask, you ain't ever going to know".
I'm curious Donderton,
When you use your credit card, does an armed officer shine a flashlight in your eyes? Does he ask you to come with him to the back of the store should you have forgotten your passport that day? And, should he not be convinced that you are a citizen -- maybe you've got an accent and forgot your passport that day, is it OK for him to throw you in jail and strip search you until the matter is cleared up? If the answer to all these questions is yes, then I guess you're right: the article would have no point to you.
When I get pulled over for speeding those things happen if I have no ID. Not so much when I use my credit card
Why do you speed, in the first place? Is your wife about to have a baby?
Agreed.
I disagree with the sentiment implied by this post, but also disagree with it being flagged.
Donderton - you are truly fortunate, and I would wish for you that your good fortune continue. I would ask that you spend some time reflecting on the reality that others not so fortunate are facing.
I respect your comments and you and I will do so. Thanks
Congratulations Donny. You've been exonerated by the "inner circle".
Oh brother....
now THAT's the appropriate way to disagree with respect and to encourage cooperation and understanding between individuals with seemingly opposing view points. Good for you TwoAmericans! : )
To be honest, you should not have to present ID. The merchant is not supposed to decline the transaction due to lack of id. If they do, you can always complain to your credit card issuer.
No, people don't know the half of it when it comes to state police power. The actions of this country, as regarding freedom of association and freedom of movement, is truely Orwellian. I will beat this dead horse again for CDers: in the late 90s then Pres. Clinton signed an executive order for 20 depts. inside the DIA, FBI, etc " to cease and desist " their domestic, extra-legal data gathering operations on citizens living inside this country. When he left office only 7 had done so. This b.s. has been going on much longer than most people realize and you cannot expect your ACLU donation to stop it. Environmentalists, union activists, etc know the score and the risks and they also know that when it comes to certain agencies inside the permanent gov't " laws were made to be broken. "
but link..didn't you know that the Patriot Act actually originated with the Clinton admin? It just didn't get signed into effect until the Bush admin. I wish everyone would stop listening to their parties agenda and start thinking outside the two puppet boxes and for themselves!! This is bigger than Left and Right! Left and Right are just a intentional dividing force, a theatre, a distraction..so that while our freedoms are being stripped from us REGARDLESS of which side is in office (Obama just signed the Kill Bill enabling him to control our access to the internet!!! Do people even KNOW this???? Why isn't everybody outraged?????) we are busy fighting amongst ourselves and therefore blind and helpless to rise up together and revolt against the global elite agenda!
Being as I'm blue-eyed and sort of blond, I take offense at the general tone on the threat to our civil liberties. There was a time in this country when Irish descendants were not considered white. The fact is, money is more of a motivating factor in the oppression we are likely to continue seeing than anything else. Of course it's a given that immigrant Hispanics are probably not carrying a Mastercard, but the powers that be regard anyone who is not a viable 'contributor' to their wealth as a threat or as being undesirable. Chattel for performing menial tasks beneath their level of comfort. I believe that's just another reason why our founding fathers gave us the second amendment to the constitution, the right (and ability) to resist any oligarchy or usurper of the public governance. We've allowed the corporations to pretty thoroughly wipe their collective asses on our constitution and Bill of Rights anyway, but there are some of us out here who will not go quietly into the night.
Jim..I think I wanna marry you!!! : ) Well said! ~ Bea