I don't know where I'm heading but I admit that maybe I am getting a bit too very jealous and angry. I mean what girl would want to go out with a guy who's unemployed and has had only a history of part time employment and temporary employment with no benefits when he was employed. I had a great friend of mine who had similar struggles. We helped each other a little in college. He was about to get married but one week before that, he lost his job to an illegal immigrant. His bride to-be ditched him. One month later, he shot her and her new lover before killing himself. I tried to stop him when I unexpectedly saw him with a gun for the first time on that day I was walking by. That was 6 months ago and I still miss him. That gruesome moment when he pointing the gun to his own head and took his own life away still scares me. I would never go so low as to take down another's life and then my own but I'm afraid of bad things like this becoming more commonplace if we keep allowing open borders and outsourcing like this. Don't get me wrong. I don't mind helping a poor person on any given day but justifying robbery of any kind is just pushing it too far.

I was on my last temp job working as a lab technician. I have done a variety of temporary jobs since I graduated. It's hard getting full time jobs and even they aren't guaranteed to last. In my last company, everyone who lost their job had an Indian or Japanese replacement. I have a physics degree so those jobs you listed I leave to those who weren't able to finish college unlike I who got lucky to come back and patch things up after a part time job and my parents recovering from bankruptcy.

" "stealing jobs" is pure inflammatory rhetoric."

No it is not when it's happening. You wouldn't know because you must be having a great job and a happy family so you can flaunt your know it all arrogance.

"Doing whatever it takes to stay alive is pure physics."

I already know that, god damn it ! I've survived despite my cruel parents, my two ex-es one a cheater and the other too know it all just like you, defective education, and Benedict Arnold companies outsourcing and cutting jobs and benefits.

"If you want to know what dirt poor means, trot on down to Chihuahua."

No, if you want to know what dirt poor means, lose your job, your house, your family, and go homeless in debt while the thieves laugh at you.

"You seem not to be the intellectual type, so I won't bother trying to explain how economic laws resemble physics."

Typical know it all arrogant doublespeak.

"Suffice it to say that the "stealing" of jobs, like all natural phenomena, will continue whether you think it should or not."

Easy for you to say when you're smug and rich with nothing to worry about. What do you care about hardworking Americans? You remind me of my two stupid ex-gfs. The first one had the nerve to tell me to sign up and serve in Iraq while she and her rich boyfriend she dumped me for had the nerve to work for a drug corporation. The second one tried to tell me that I shouldn't be working for big companies just because she was lucky to work for a small business and her education was totally different. Let's see you say what you just said when your job gets stolen. First they came for blue collared jobs, then white collared, next it could be you.

If you want to see dirt poor, real poverty, you'll have to go much further than Chihuahua. They are rich compared to many parts of the world.

Mexico is not exactly the poverty stricken country so many try to portray, its a rich country that is held in the grip of the very rich. Its not close to the poor countries of the world.

That my point went right ever your head shows that even in it's GOOFINESS it seems in better working order then your own.

I was commenting on Mightymights long held opinion that the USA is not responsible for ANY of the wrongs it has committed the world over and that it the citizens of the United States of America that are the victims.

A coup in Haiti wherein corrupt governmnets are put in power and where the resources of the Country called Haiti are seized so as to enrich foreign corporations has EVERYTHING to do with the peoples of Haiti fleeing their country.

Mightymite claimed the US is not responsible for the decisions THOSE people make and are under no obligation to pay for those peoples decisions.

I challenged his claims.

It is the Corporations and the "Investor class" that are STEALING your jobs as they are the ones working in concert with your government and the wealthy elite of other countries to do so. You direct your venom towards the wrong people.

As does Mightymite and his "we are blameless" stance.

"What I see is not a discussion about immigration, but a lot of flaming and projection. Seems like CD has it own brand of fundamentalists, just not of the religious variety."

That's about the size of it apparently.

It seems if someone has the nothing of factual value to say, they can think of nothing but personal attacks and charges of this and that. Fairly pathetic.

"Why should we open or not open the borders?"

I'll take a small swing at this for you. I'd suggest its because we cannot afford anymore environmental damage, we can't afford to keep increasing the use of fuels, we can't support the influx in almost anyway you'd name. Not economically, not medically nor educationally. Its overwhelming us just with illegal's. My state spent over a billion dollars last year on medical care for illegal's, That was money that did not come from Federal taxes and little from state taxes. Most of the burden is bourne locally. Educational costs were more than double that, once again not paid for by the Federal government, but local taxpayers.

Ralph is correct of course, except we already have many works programs. Problem is if they bring in workers legally, they cost them almost double and they are responsible if they are hurt or injured.

Mighty: they do not want to answer because in doing so they would have to concede to some of the problems such a policy would involve--the same problems many border states are presently experiencing to a greater of lesser extent. They prefer self-righteous condemnation of those who disagree with their crusade. That said, I have read some well-reasoned responses that address the trade agreements and government policies abroad. These greedy and misguided policies are starting to have serious consequences, in spite of the best effort of those in power to hide them. Desperation leading to migration is certainly one of them. Unless it's a complete fabrication, border states are facing some serious difficulties. Arizona has fired a shot over the bow, so to speak, and other states are sure to follow--while Obama and the federal government remain asleep at the wheel. Big government has no qualms about turning the other way when it serves the interest of business, regardless of who gets exploited or what gets stolen; neither business, nor government has any conscience. Let's hope things get uncomfortable enough for this administration to address immigration and related issues, though I wouldn't hold my breath.