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My Private Obama
We in the progressive community have projected our own visions onto Barack Obama ever since we first noticed him as a remarkable political novice. It was clear from the 2008 campaign that he was a basically a centrist and seeker of common ground. But sometimes a crisis makes a presidency. And history has seldom delivered a more graphic, teachable crisis than the one that Obama inherited. So we voted our hopes that events could compel Obama to govern as a progressive.
We are still waiting, and we are a cheap date. Throw us a few bones and we brim over with gratitude:
On health reform: a brave speech to the House Democratic Caucus and some rare hands-on leadership with two outs in the ninth inning -- and hey, we knew he had it in him. Finally, the real Obama! (But it didn't really last.)
Or a seemingly tougher line on BP, and the company meets Obama's demand for $20 billion to pay claims (though the small print reveals that BP limits what it considers fair claims.)
Or a reluctant firing of Gen. Stanley McChrystal (with a denial that it was for insubordination and a preservation of the general's four-star retirement benefits).
And some nice, isolated one-liners about the callous Republican refusal to extend unemployment insurance or support financial reform (oddly divorced from a larger narrative or strategy.)
But even a dire economic crisis and a Republican blockade of needed remedies have not fundamentally altered the temperament, trajectory, or tactical instincts of this surprisingly aloof president. He has not been willing or able to use his office to move public opinion in a direction that favors more activism. Nor has Obama, for the most part, seized partisan and ideological opportunities that hapless Republicans and clueless corporate executives keep lobbing him like so many high, hanging curve balls.
None of this has stopped the progressive community from trying to put words in Obama's mouth. A superb example is William Pfaff's short piece in the current New York Review of Books, "What Obama Should have Said to BP."
It includes these choice lines:
I have...given orders that the American functions of this company be provisionally seized or placed in temporary receivership...In no circumstances will company, proprietary, or stockholder interest be given priority over measures to terminate this emergency and to safeguard the assets or interests of the United States public or government.
Pfaff adds:
He then could have concluded his speech by saying to his political opponents that any Republican or Democrat who wishes to run for office in November as an opponent of these Obama Administration crisis measures - and as a defender of BP corporate and stockholder interests - as against the national interest of the United States and redress of the damage that continues at this moment to be done to the United States and its citizens, would be more than welcome to do so.
Quite so. As Drew Westen keeps observing, the voters admire leadership and toughness, especially in a crisis. They certainly don't admire Obama's feeble trademark, "If someone has a better idea, I'm happy to listen to it." As presidential declarations of resolve go, this is on a par with taping a sign, "Kick Me," to your rear end.
In my imaginary speeches, Obama gets serious about the jobs crisis -- and then dares Republicans to try to block his efforts to put Americans back to work. But Obama and his political advisers have convinced themselves that economically vulnerable people somehow care more about the abstraction of the public debt than the immediate threats to their livelihoods.
Even if relentless conservative propaganda had moved public opinion in that direction, which in fact it has not, the job of a president is to educate. For the definitive refutation of the elite misreading of the public views of the deficits and debts, see the fine testimony of Larry Jacobs and Ben Page, two scrupulously insightful political scientists and public opinion scholars.
But despite our hopes, Barack Obama is unlikely to offer bolder policies or give tougher speeches any time soon, even as threats of a double-dip recession and an electoral blowout in November loom. This is just not who he is. If the worst economic crisis in eight decades were going to change his assumptions about how to govern and how to lead, it would have done so by now.
Come November, as Republicans break out champagne, the usual commentators will offer the usual alibis and silver linings.
The party of the newly elected president always loses Congressional seats. Not always: viz. Roosevelt, 1934, or Bush II, 2002. The two men shared nothing, except resolve in a crisis. That should tell you something. Where's Obama's resolve?
Having a smaller majority will force the Democrats to be more disciplined. This is delusional. Do you really think, with the loss of a working Democratic majority, that corporate New Dems and fiscally hawkish Blue Dog Dems will be more inclined to support their president? If anything, they will be emboldened to freelance at his expense.
Losing one or more house of Congress will compel Obama to realize that he tried to govern too far to the left and to move closer to the Republicans. Too far to the left? Only in Limbaugh-land. And we've seen that there is no compromise with the Republicans. Unless you embrace their whole program, they vote you down.
Even with big losses of House and Senate seats, there is plenty of time for Obama to recoup and win re-election in 2012. Maybe, but at the rate we are going, we face a long period of high unemployment, weakening defense of much that progressives hold dear, and a presidency increasingly under siege. The more protracted the economic slump, the easier it will be for even a lunatic-fringe Republican candidate to beat Obama.
Now, who am I to second guess the cleverest politician to come along in decades? Well, I am old enough to remember the Vietnam era when the Best and the Brightest were just dead wrong, and the kids had a surer sense of American foreign policy than the experts. I have also watched Obama's loyal opposition -- people like Joseph Stiglitz, Paul Krugman, Elizabeth Warren, Sheila Bair -- be proven right by events, again and again. So there are alternative paths, as there always are. But the White House has disdained them.
And I've noticed that it is the populists among Democratic elected officials who are best defended against defeat in November. That tells you something, too. Why should the project of rallying the common people against elites in Washington, on Wall Street, and in the media, be ceded to the far right? But that is what this White House is doing.
Progressives by nature are optimists. We believe that things could be better than they are, and that a decent society is worth fighting for. We're hopeful, sometimes bordering on wishful. A counsel of despair is not our thing. We tend to look for the best in people. That's why we keep playing Charlie Brown to Barack Obama's Lucy.
Obama was consistently underrated during the 2008 campaign. Nothing would make me happier than to say in six months that I was underrating him on July 4th, 2010, and to eat a big helping of crow.
But I reluctantly conclude that whatever progressives might desire in our private visions of who Obama could yet be, he is who he is. It is like watching a needless accident in slow motion. Without a drastic and abrupt course correction, the missed opportunities will continue to accumulate this summer and fall. The whole country, not just the progressive movement, will pay dearly.
Robert Kuttner's new book is A Presidency in Peril. He is co-editor of The American Prospect and a senior fellow at Demos.
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Show AllObama is a waste of time. He's the straw that broke this Camels back. 45 yrs. voting D , funding and working for these bastards for what? No more, I've had it. They can go to hell and take their GOper pals with them. None of these people represent anyone anymore but the Corp. elite and the wealthy. They've basically flipped the rest of us a big bird and I for one intend to return the favor from here on.
Amen.
Amen, Part II.
The Democrats decided to feed off the same corporate trough as the Republicans in 1985 with founding of the Democratic Leadership Council.
Anyone who is disappointed in Obama has been duped for 25 years.
I concur.
Although the author tells us Obama had two outs in the ninth inning of the health care reform charade, I witnessed Obama trading away our team's best player (single-payer) in the first inning, putting tranquilizers in our team's water supply during the second inning (telling us that we need to protect insurance company profits, and the public option was needed to keep insurance companies honest, but he would sign a bill without it).
Anybody who was listening to the content of Obama's speeches left the stadium before the third inning to avoid the pain of Obama signing the corporate welfare program disguised as health care reform during the bottom of the ninth inning.
Starting in 2014 the IRS will require we all buy a season ticket and overpriced refreshments, no matter how bad the team plays.
Amen, Part III
Our President has turned out to be one of the biggest disapointments of all time.He boasted his resolve and promised things he has coward away from.How can he change Washington if he keeps doing the same things that they do ? It's like he wants to be everybodys friend, and that just doesn't work, not even on the playground.He said he saw the injusteses of healthcare through his own Mothers experience, and yet what he gave us as health reform is so against us, and benifits the insurance companies ,I want to say to him thanks, but no thanks for your help. He has only made things worse.The War OMG He has made that worse. Realing in the banks ,well they are realing in the profits, and celebrating bigger bonuses than ever. If I didn't know any better I would say he was a plant for the Rebublican party, he seems to indulge them the most. I am saddened by the way he has turned out. The B.P. crisis shows that he can not take control and govern,which was the job we hired him for.I can't imagine who's coming down the pike to help save America from its own self, but I know now that it is not Barack Obama.
If Obama was "one of the biggest disappointments," what were a few of the others?
Just asking.
The "Gilded" Obama is doing exactly what he was selected to do for his corporate masters... that is to feed and endless buffet of superlative encrusted BullShit to a gullible and HOPEful, dumber-than-shit populace.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! ... Oh Golden-throated TURD!!
Mr. Kuttner - you need not worry about having to eat crow down the line - if anything you are still a "starry-eyed Obama HOPEful" who still wallows in his own illusions.
If you didn't have a nice safe job at FluffPo writing "bon bons" to our Preznit, you would perchance not have to worry about eating crow but actually EATING (PERIOD!)
Kuttner - you phony sack-O-shit, go back to your "fairytale world" and keep masturbating yourself to the "Ecstacy-Of-Obama".
Those with a functioning brain have "Moved On"(NOT an endorsement of MOVEON.org, which is, of course, another Gate Keeper for the Establishment).
No one is saving this f'ed up mess it must fail and then the people will smarten up. We are not fighting the corporations we are fighting ignorance. They need to die in masses before they will understand.
Another article from Fluffington Post with no reference to progressive third parties ! Not all progressives will wait and hope for Obama to change. Some have already left him for what he has done. Even practical liberals like me are moving out of this party and ready to vote Green starting this year. I am ready to vote for people who will listen to what the public demands, not for people who will leave us in limbo hoping forever.
Unfortunately progressives don't represent the will of the people. Here in Arizona a healthy majority of racist xenophobes support our dingbat governor and her border paranoia. Opinion polls have gotten depressing for me. Democracy sounds like a good antidote for unresponsive or repressive government, but not so good when the people themselves become a lynch mob or entertain a collective hallucintion. The voice of the people is not necessarily the voice of wisdom. I vote green too, but for personal reasons, not because I think sanity is suddenly going to come into vogue in this country.
VOX: I well understand your point as I live in the Bible Belt and there is NO educating these people! Their faith-based theologies have no room for truth or, in many instances, tolerance. They are about as clued into Jesus as the Pope is to porn. It took a lot of insidious campaigns of lies to turn so many against Truth. If there had never been a giving away of the airwaves to the companies that profit from war (while holding a very low opinion of life in general), we might have had a more engaged body politic. Instead, we see a return to racism, jingoism, religiosity, and all sorts of deadly ism divisions in far too many persons.
Media should never have been given away to those with the funds to anoint their own think tanks and appoint alleged experts to instruct the public to think so wrongly about so many things (global warming, as illusion, one among many costly deceits).
Living in a blue state, I witness self-described, mostly secular liberals demonstating the same faith-based, damn the evidence approach...they have total faith in Obama and his rubber stampers on Capitol Hill.
Actually, progressives do represent a lot of the will of a lot of the people a lot of the time.
In general, Americans want these progressive things:
- Out of Iraq
- Out of Afghanistan (narrow margin)
- Reduction in military spending
- Quit bailing out the rich and tax them
- Close corporate loopholes
- Spend for Green jobs
- Spend for Education
- Stop or reduce mountaintop removal mining
- Stop offshore drilling
Except for Afghanistan, polls have consistently shown popular support for all of those progressive positions.
I will not go so far as to claim sanity, but a lot of us are unhappy and have not been drinking the tea.
And clamor on, O Vox!
I think Nader favored all of your positions, and got less than 2% (I'm too lazy to look this up) of the vote last time around. Progressives seem to hover around 5% of public opinion. Given either/or questions phrased just right, people will choose peace over war, clean over dirty, smart over dumb, etc. But they never make those choices when they vote. People are by and large uneducated, lazy, passive and brainwashed. Their minds are filled with slogans. They are easily manipulated by the media and the interests that own and control their fear buttons. They are herd animals.
I'd be willing to say that democracy is a good thing if we could find our way back to it. But just as staff infections have found an end run around our antibiotics, just as the third world has found an end run around the mightiest military force on earth (by depriving it of targets), the corporate structure has found an end run around democracy. The manipulation of public opinion has become a practical science. Lacking the ability to think critically we are defenseless against this.
Beyond that I guess I lack faith in the innate goodness of human nature. I think we have it in us, and I also think we are riddled with devils who glory in greed and mayhem. Our friend Stanley seems to agree with you, though I can't follow his argument. We seem to concur about the value of education. The benefits of teaching our kids unbiased history and independent reasoning skills won't kick in for two decades at best. Most of your list, if you'll look at it that way, is about a lot of people admitting that they hate the results of prior stupidities. That's easy. Everybody hates an oil spill. But how do we get people to hate future stupidities? All I can come up with is education, making everyone harder to fool, and even that is under attack today in the Texas hinterlands.
"Unfortunately progressives don't represent the will of the people."
Oh I beg to differ. On most issues, their positions would be agreed upon by the majority of the people if only those sellouts who call themselves "moderate" wouldn't get in the way and fool us. I already feel like an ass for voting Democrat for 30 years but I've had enough and if I have to vote independent just to vote for a true blue instead of another false blue "centrist", then I'm going to do it and stop being an ass.
"Opinion polls have gotten depressing for me."
That is the same thing my niece would tell me and now I realize what a fool I was to keep following them.
"Democracy sounds like a good antidote for unresponsive or repressive government, but not so good when the people themselves become a lynch mob or entertain a collective hallucintion. The voice of the people is not necessarily the voice of wisdom. I vote green too, but for personal reasons, not because I think sanity is suddenly going to come into vogue in this country."
Democracy is never a bad thing but people need to be well informed, attain confidence, and elect people who will listen to them and not burden them so much. Power, my friend, is something politicians have more of. Power can be used to lift people's spirits and abused to crush people's happiness to rubble. Contrary to what some may mistake about democracy, politicians are not free to be as irresponsible as they wish just because people have the power to participate. As for me, I vote not just for personal reasons but for what I observe is best for the rest of us who aren't privileged. I may have been a little practical in the past but corrections are underway to draw the line.
No doubt Kuttner feels his offering here is a frank insightful evaluation of a failing presidency which invites our 'progressive' support, but for this site, and for the reality most CDers perceive, it's an article about as exciting as taking out the trash, an analogy that might have better suited the actual situation.
Obama reminds me of the tag line Royal Thai Airline uses in its advertisements....Smooth as Silk. Just a damn shame that Obama Air has no pilot, no navigator, no thrust and no destination other than oblivion.
AMEN TO THAT BROTHER/SISTER IN ARMS!!
A complete historical cypher with a "nice tan" to keep the dilusional liberals from bolting camp.
By losing congress in November, Obama will have the excuse he needs to govern even further to the right. The guy's a phony. He's a corporatist---through and through. All of his so called "reforms" are window dressing---nothing serious to change the underlying structure of corporate dominance in our system.
The Obama administration doesn't listen to progressives.
They all watch Fox News---everything O does is a reaction to the right-wing propaganda outlet.
Forget about the corporate parties. Stop voting for someone just because there's a D after their name. It's not about parties---it's about the candidates who support the people over the corporate interests. If there's a republican who's willing to break with the corporate masters, then vote for that person.
"On health reform: a brave speech to the House Democratic Caucus and some rare hands-on leadership with two outs in the ninth inning -- and hey, we knew he had it in him. Finally, the real Obama! (But it didn't really last.)"
This article was about progressives foolishly supporting a president who is to the right of Nixon and Goldwater in the naive hope that he will eventually do something for his progressive supporters. And yet, even here, the above paragraph seems to suggest that something was finally accomplished in the area of health care. All I saw was a giant giveaway to the health care & insurance industries. Even the author of this article is still swallowing the BS about Obama being a progressive at heart.
If Nixon, or any other "Rockefeller Republican" came back to life and applied for a job in the Obama Administration they would be ridiculed as left wing extremists by Glenn Beck and Obama would toss them into the same dustbin he threw Van Jones into.
Now Kuttner comes around? Now, hold your nose and vote for it, Kuttner has an epiphany and sees who Obama really is. Now Kuttner who has looked incessantly for a way to cajole Obama to move towards what should be his base, (I could go on) sees the light and then offers us only the pain of defeat as a chastening lesson. As improbable as it may now seem the only option for the left that stays in the Democratic party is a strong primary challenge to Obama in 2012. I know how impossible it sounds now but two years from now wallowing in electoral defeat, in double digit unemployment, in war policies that only push us deeper into the big muddy-- it will not seem so impossible. Only Kuttner and his magazine will not be the ones who issue the rallying cry. I don't think there is any fight left in him. Time to retire Robert. You've had a good run.
Kuttner is just another in the long line of "gate keepers" for the Establishment. He fires off his emasculated salvos in "HOPE" of turning obama into "!!OBAMA!!".
What a cruel and pathetic joke - Obama is exactly what his corporate masters hired him for... a shill and PR stooge for the Plutocracy.
If you vote Dem/Rep for any office your are slowly cutting your own throat.
It's time this pathetic country lived up to the ideals of its "Constitution".
You're right--no hope. What's next?
In a lengthy conversation with an old-time progressive last evening we expressed the same sentiments as Kuttner and the other commentors. What has all this hope for change wrought? His theory is Ohbummer can't discipline the party elders in the various states who see him as weak. He's a pushover and lets regional differences destroy a coherent national plan. My take is Ohbummer was such a visible difference that we voters missed the wishy-washy policies he was advocating. Looking back at his Senatorial race some of us were worried about his courting of downstate Republicans and expressed this. But, now, a centrist classic liberal view appears to many as the dulling status quo in these unnerving times. Obama is going to be Carter without the guts and Clinton without the political skills. That combo meal is giving us all severe indigestion. I have changed to Independent on my voter registration and will support the Greens. No more of our hard-earned money should be given to these status quo types. 3rd parties offer us at least a clear conscience and talking points to move the dialogue to a different level.
Why all the fantasy? The guy's married to Goldman-Sachs, fooling with BP, and abuses Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and who-knows-who else nightly.
bardamu - THANK YOU for putting matters in perspective.
OBAMA-MAN is nothing more than the lastest incarnation of a fictional (without substance) Super Hero concocted by the ologarchy to make the braindead liberals think they "have a chance" by still voting Democrat!
Obama is MORE toxic to the public welfare than the BP OIL DISASTER in the Gulf... his job is to be a human "Zoloft" for the masses!
Why all the fantasy? The guy's married to Goldman-Sachs, fooling with BP, and abuses Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and who-knows-who else nightly.
Sounds like he's the Tiger Woods of politics...
Kuttner, nothing more than an apologist for right-wing Obama seems to think there are differences between the parties in "our two-party system". It will make absolutely no difference which party is in power. The window dressing changes but that's about all. Escalated war in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Escalated drone attacks. Extensionn of Patriot and Military Commissions Acts. Continued elimination of habeas corpus. Claiming the authority to assassinate anyone anywhere anytime. The health care insurance industry guaranteed increased profits bill requiring those who cannot afford health care insurance to purchase health care insurance. Allowing the rape of the gulf by BP. Trillions in giveaways to the same banks that crashed the world economic system. How is any of this different from anything a republican administration would have done? But don't worry. All is well. They all have drinks and laughs together at our expense in Georgetown after hours every day. OH, I almost forgot. Don't forget to vote.
"OH, I almost forgot. Don't forget to vote." -- dkshaw
Your final comment reminded me of the Garry Trudeau (writer) and Robert Altman (director) HBO series from 1988 -- Tanner '88, about a fictitious presidential candidate, Jack Tanner from Michigan. The song that was woven throughout the series went like this:
Exercise your right to vote
Choose the one you like the most
It's your individual right to choose the one you want to fight for you
Vote!
Tanner's cabinet choices included Ralph Nader as Attorney General, and Jim Hightower as Secretary of Agriculture, among other provocative cabinet choices.
If you haven't seen this HBO series, it is worth watching -- Criterion released the series, and there are 2004 updates, with a conversation between Trudeau and Altman, if you haven't already seen it. I searched for the lyrics to the song that were sung in one of the episodes by a female cabaret singer, but I didn't run across them, and therefore, I wasn't able to post them.
I agree once again with Rich M;
Kuttner, like so many of his ilk, either cannot or refuses to look through the miasma, look behind the curtain, see the forest for the trees. He asks the superficial questions, but misses or ignores the more important fundamental ones.
How are politicians funded in our system?
How does the "winner takes all" system result in two dominant parties?
How and why does the corporate media control our elections and campaigns?
How much money is required to buy a seat in the House? Senate?
Is the political process accessible to ordinary citizens?
Does our system produce meaningful choice in public policy?
etc. etc.
I found this article to be not only unhelpful, but it contributes to the prevailing ignornance of our political process.
Does Obama even HAVE a side? I believe him to be a progressive in his mind but lacking of the essential experience to effect change or carry out progressive agendas. His cabinet is a disaster, his chief of staff a horrific mistake ( and probably on his way out, like a rat leaving a sinking ship). He has failed to display a backbone or a clear understanding of when to make a stand.
In his defense ( sort of) he had a mere three quarters of a term in the Senate to gain national experience. So, ultimately, it is the voter who should accept the blame here, for expecting a novice to be able to effect substantive change, especially when his own party is a herd of cats. Contrast the Democats divisiveness with the GOP's solidarity, giving an impression of professionalism and direction. Never mind that the GOP has gone stark staring mad, the voter is so easily fooled after all.
Of course the issues are more complex than I have intimated here, in a short little post. Yes I do understand that Obama has tried to do something while not alienating his and both parties masters, the large campaign check writers in Industry.
DEE: How is it that you think anyone with a TRULY progressive agenda would manage to position themselves to gain votes? Would they be allowed media time? How would they pay for it? Did you notice how the "official" two parties blocked candidates from having any air time (or debate access)? This presumption that the vetting of candidates somehow falls to the public when every facet of the election spectacle is a facade, a controlled Potemkin-style event (down to who counts the votes... as in, remember that the electronic voting machines & touch-screen technology are under private lock and key!) is very naive on your part. IF this was a functioning democracy, your post & points would make sense. It's all smoke and mirrors these days. The rare exception is the billionaire willing to fund his own campaign and buy media time.
And another point on this blaming voters schtick: the average person, beset with all sorts of economic problems, if not crises, presumes that when he turns on the TV he's getting REAL news. Instead, a massive dis-information campaign of unimaginable proportions has been underway creating not a homo sapien, but an entirely programmed human being. What he eats, the drugs he takes, his perceptions of cultural events, and political realities are all shaped... for the end purpose of manufacturing consent.
I do not believe that addicts have free will. Before the addiction kicked in they had some semblance of it; but once they are under the influence, anything remotely resembling a will becomes anything but free. I believe an analogy can be made for the American political "consumer." Fed a diet of addictive lies, s/he is unable to separate the wheat from the chaff. Thus this idea of voting as a FREE act is itself an insidious illusion. If Pavlov trained his dogs to salivate at the sound of the bell, a similar equivalent has been instituted in the US voting booth.
"DEE: How is it that you think anyone with a TRULY progressive agenda would manage to position themselves to gain votes? Would they be allowed media time? How would they pay for it? Did you notice how the "official" two parties blocked candidates from having any air time (or debate access)?"
ROSE: You do define the problem, and the solution will not come easily. Certainly money rules and the free press is almost an oxymoron. But to what does one turn when you posit this as impossible? I never thought that this would be an easy task, nor one accomplished within my own life span. But I agree with Alice Walker in that "The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any".
I love my nation and I refuse to stop trying to make her what I think she should be. I agree that the task is a complex one, that we have all been brainwashed into being good little consumers, hungering incessantly after cheap plastic toys purchased at usurious interest rates, believing that what we see is reality when it is far from such.
Further,and lastly you'll be happy to know, even though I see the truth of what you posted I continue to hold my fellow citizens in a higher regard and believe them capable of change, as those who fought at Lexington and Concord effected change in their day so their descendants ( figuratively as well as literally) can and will make the changes we need today. We only need to continue to work towards that change in any way we see fit. Yes I am a cockeyed optimist, how else to survive four decades of activism and remain even slightly sane?
"All of us are in the gutter, but some of us are staring up at stars."
Oscar Wilde
DEE: I appreciate your polite, civil response. I love my country, but I think we're at a point in human evolution where the idea of nation must become subservient to a greater ideal that encompasses the whole of humanity.
You may have hope in your fellow man/woman, and I would, too, if it were not for the new hypnotic (or should I say somnambulistic) devices that have effectively turned off minds (and the intended crticial thinking process) and replaced genuine cognition with a passive, soporific "consumerized" state of consciousness. When TV doesn't deliver it, organized religion does; and when either of those fail, there are street drugs, alcohol (on a daily basis), and antidepressant drugs. We are not talking about a whole, holistic, or particularly sane or awakened population pool at this point.
At the end of my book on this Age Phase Transition I ask, "How will the dreamer come to recognize the awakened state"? Indeed that IS the question.
By the way, stating what is true is not "being negative." I know that "new age" ruse and I find it PATHETIC. To pretend something is not what it is, is hardly a prescription for altering it. I know that people CAN change, but even in the 12 Step programs, a fundament of that transformation is facing the truth... you live in a nation where the vast majority are asleep, and IF we had all the time in the world to rouse them from their slumbers, perhaps I'd be more optimistic. I have been working on consciousness raising for more than 30 years... it's like Kyoto. Even after the Truth was articulated, most went back to living the old ways and changing NOTHING of substance. That IS depressing and it's also TRUE.
Great comments, Sioux Rose.
Think globally act locally.....
Do you act? Your posts seemingly reek of despair and are not conducive to energizing people to do something, in my own opinion. Just like your apparent hero, RichM seems to relish destroying the views of others or boosting himself in paeons to self aggrandizement. I reject any political stratagies that exclude rather than include.
DEE: To the Bahai Faith, the teacher is one of the highest callings, and I have been a teacher and spiritual guide most of my adult life. I have written and published 8 books, continue to write for several magazines, and have done radio & Tv & lectures. So do not LECTURE me on acting... to any who have been on the front lines of trying to make a difference, to see what's actually taking place IS mortifying. If you want to "be positive" in the midst of it, good for you. That is an ego-based illusion. Granted, one needs a certain modicum of faith to endure "the fight." On the other hand, your cozy concepts about inclusion are not that different from watching the MC ask everyone to stay calmly seated as the Titanic sinks. It's not the recipe of the hour... and the time's grow short.
Your allegory is false and your temper frayed. Without allies we remain alone. You seem to relish that, I do not.
Authoritarians love to use protocol as a means to control others. I find you (on the basis of opinions expressed) to be an unimaginative apologist for the status quo, however you dress it up. Your descriptions of what I believe and how I relate the Truths of my experience are limited by your own narrow-minded thought processes. It's clear we don't see eye to eye. As is the long, tedious case of a few others in this forum, I'd prefer to pass your posts by, and would appreciate your doing likewise. In this case, words are sure to get in the way. And as to "my temper is frayed," give me a break... I live in Florida, our region is about to do a long ecological tango with a toxic monster. Our government is a fraud. Our monetary system is in the toilet, yeah, I suppose my temper is frayed. Anyone who pretends it's ALL OKAY is the ONE with a mental disorder! People like you don't want to hear about the truth; it's far easier to shut up the ones stating it by suggesting that they are impolite, politically incorrect, or demonstrating a frayed temper. It's time for people to be screaming in the streets!
Jesus turned over the tables of the moneychangers... being spiritual doesn't mean eating shit and appearing to like it.
"Authoritarians love to use protocol as a means to control others."
You're a damn good authoritarian yourself, hypocrite.
"Your descriptions of what I believe and how I relate the Truths of my experience are limited by your own narrow-minded thought processes. It's clear we don't see eye to eye."
If you don't exactly see it Rose's way, you're narrow minded.
"As is the long, tedious case of a few others in this forum, I'd prefer to pass your posts by, and would appreciate your doing likewise."
Ignorance is bless, ain't it Rose? You see what you want to see. You hear what you want to hear. Latte liberal.
"People like you don't want to hear about the truth; it's far easier to shut up the ones stating it by suggesting that they are impolite, politically incorrect, or demonstrating a frayed temper. It's time for people to be screaming in the streets!"
People like you are liars who only hear what they want to hear as "truth". Scream yourself fuckass but don't tell others to do it for you.
"I have been a teacher and spiritual guide most of my adult life."
Sure don't sound like one. Take a look at your own hypocrisy in the mirror when you have a chance, farthead.
"On the other hand, your cozy concepts about inclusion are not that different from watching the MC ask everyone to stay calmly seated as the Titanic sinks."
On the other hand, your latte liberal exclusions are not that different from helping rich people evacuate the ship first while asking the poor to stay seated as the Titanic sinks.
"If you want to "be positive" in the midst of it, good for you. That is an ego-based illusion"
Negative thinking leads to mental psychosis.
"So do not LECTURE me on acting... to any who have been on the front lines of trying to make a difference, to see what's actually taking place IS mortifying."
You're already acting like a retard. Where did you make a difference or is that one of your shit illusions. If you wanna make a difference, run for office stupid.
Sorry for butting in here, but I have to stand with Sioux Rose on this, even though I don't oppose your general point of view. Except that I love my nation in the sense of its amazingly wondrous geography, which of course is being systematically despoiled by corporate capitalism, and that's the part of my nation I deplore.
Per Oscar Wilde, that gutter has become considerably more polluted since 1890, and it wasn't any picnic then. And before too long we won't be able to see any stars, as they already can't in many of our glorious big cities. Also, you can hold your fellow citizens in as high a regard as you like, but that might require that you don't look very closely. Sioux Rose has pointed out to you how low most of them have descended, thanks to perpetual TV gazing, consumer addiction, political obtuseness, and oh so many other deplorable things. Too many of them keep believing in Obama, just because he's half black, seems fairly sophisticated and went to Harvard, and blah blah, and they'll just keep voting Democratic because the alternative (Palin!) is so much worse. No thought will be given to third party possibilities, it'll just be one feckless worthless useless Democrat after another Hitlerian fascist Republican, until we're all in our dumbed down graves. Is that what you want? It sounds like you do.
Ephraim, Doubledee has voted for Nader and Greens before in the past and he generally pushes for Green Party candidates on the local level. He takes the bottom-up approach. My niece once told me that if more people paid attention to local elections and voter turnout was as high percentage wise as it was on a presidential level, our country would be different and possibly for the better. Doubledee implied similar to me on an earlier discussion. Trust me, he is not an Obama apologist although he might sound like he was on the occasion.
I appreciate the clarification and abhor the small minds who cannot see past their own noses. Now ,arent I in the spirit of things around here now, you betcha!
No problem sir. I am glad I could help. I saw your recent reply to Sioux on allies and I wanted to follow up on that one. I don't believe that she opposes the idea of team building completely but it is true that sometimes even team members can get uncooperative when one least expects it. I guess Kucinich went through a lot of pain and unhappiness when he lost his the support of his own colleagues who cosponsored single payer health care HR676. It can be painful one individual is fighting an entire army with little to no chances of winning. However, it can just as painful if not painful when one leading a good cause finds his or her team cowardly backing off or even going 180 against him or her. Sometimes, that painful experience can be more painful because not only is there the pain of losing on the cause but a painful feeling of not being able to hold on to allies which can hurt one's own self-confidence greatly. I believe in being 50% individually oriented and 50% team oriented.
Stanley: Unless you are a robot or computer program, I'd appreciate your dispensing with the "team building" crap in reference to ANYTHING that I say. I am not now, nor ever have been, interested in ANY form of team building. I am an independent thinker who chooses friends, lovers and colleagues based on instinctive affinity. If out of any of these arrangements, something wonderful and organic grows, so be it. The team stuff sounds like something generating from a "Mr. Smith" taken straight from The Matrix.
Sioux Rose, I understand that and I do apologize if the term has offended you. However, I don't think that team building has to always be a bad thing. There are good teams and there are bad teams. I appreciate your independent thinking and have no intention of dishonouring it in any way. When I use the term "team building", I do not refer to destructive causes but for constructive causes. I will do my best to look out for an alternative term to the phrase when referring to your comments on future posts.
P.S.: I am independent too but as you can tell, I have a different level of independence and combine it with some support among others. I understand that different experiences can produce different levels of experience. I take it that you are 100% independent or close and that is definitely commendable. I think I am only about 50% independent and 50% into building support on good causes.