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Obama's Timidity and Deaths at Sea
A chief lesson to learn from President Barack Obama’s recent unwillingness to stand up to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the Likud Lobby is that such timidity can get people killed.
Casualty figures are still arriving in the wake of Israel’s Sunday night-Monday morning commando attack on an unarmed flotilla trying to bring relief supplies to the 1.5 million Palestinians crowded into Gaza. Already, at least nine civilian passengers are reported killed, and dozens wounded.
Seldom has an act of aggression been so well advertised in advance. Israel had made clear that it would use force to prevent the ships from reaching Gaza and heard no stern protest from President Obama, who apparently could not overcome his fear of Israel’s legendary political clout.
Earlier this year, Obama did criticize Israel’s continued settlement of Palestinian areas and Netanyahu’s resistance to holding meaningful peace talks, but the President has failed to follow up his words with firm action or resolve. Netanyahu concluded that Israel could do what it wished, including dropping commandos from helicopters onto crowded ships and, after alleging a clash with civilians, ordering the use of lethal force.
Then, Netanyahu could expect that America’s Fawning Corporate Media (FCM) – with leading figures like Wolf Blitzer who built his journalistic career by working for the Jerusalem Post – would finesse the murderous assault into something reasonable and possibly even tilted sympathetically toward the Israeli troops.
Early on, CNN began repeating the Israeli “explanation” for its attack on the high seas, parroting the Jerusalem Post which reported that “militants were killed” after they set upon Israeli naval commandos who boarded one of the six ships Monday morning at two o’clock.
The commandos “were met with strong resistance from men armed with bladed weapons and the situation degenerated into a massacre when one of them grabbed the weapon of a soldier and opened fire,” said the Jerusalem Post, quoting Israeli military sources.
The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) claimed that the relief convoy organizers had a “radical Islamic anti-Western orientation,” and that Israeli “naval forces were attacked with metal clubs and knives, as well as live fire,” though there were no reports of Israeli deaths. The IDF statement continued:
“The demonstrators had clearly prepared their weapons in advance for this specific purpose,” adding that the Navy then used riot dispersal methods, which include live fire, according to JTA, the global news service of the Jewish people.
Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak blamed the organizers of the convoy for the violent outcome, and Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon told a news conference why that was so: “The organizers’ intent was violent, their method was violent, and unfortunately, the results were violent.”
So, you see, the Israeli military resorted to violence only in self-defense. Right.
Quiet Conversation
On Monday, President Obama spoke to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by phone about the incident. Afterwards, the White House said Obama had expressed “deep regret” over the deaths, but declined further comment, citing “the importance of learning all the facts and circumstances” as quickly as possible.
Don’t hold your breath, though, waiting for the timid Obama or his Likud-leaning advisers — much less the FCM — to question the Israeli version.
We are likely to get an “explanation” worthy of the late Alexander Haig as to why the slaughter may well have been “justified.” Haig’s death in February brought to mind comments he made about a brutal incident on the night of Dec. 2, 1980, shortly after Ronald Reagan’s election victory.
In rightist-ruled El Salvador, government security forces stopped four American churchwomen in their mini-van and were ordered to kill them. The soldiers first raped the women and then executed them with high-powered rifles. Reagan’s foreign policy team decided to treat the rape-murder as a public relations problem, best handled by shifting blame onto the victims. And so, the women were deemed not nuns, but “political activists.” (Today, “militants”—whatever that means—is often the label of choice.)
After becoming Reagan’s first Secretary of State, Haig told Congress that “the nuns may have run through a roadblock or may have accidentally been perceived to have been doing so, and there may have been an exchange of fire.”
In just a few weeks, the American women had gone from being innocent victims to “political activists” to armed insurgents – although knowledgeable U.S. government officials conceded there was no evidence to support Haig’s shoot-out speculation. As an intelligence analyst at the time, I knew of Haig’s inclination to make up stuff.
Watch for something similar to happen with respect to the “militants” or “activists” who were killed or wounded in the incident off Gaza. I avoid tuning in to the FCM anymore (it’s just too much for my Irish temper), but I’m told that Israel-friendly pundits are already spinning faster than the famous centrifuges in Iran.
Uncle Remus’s Wisdom
“He Don’t Say Nothin’,” as Uncle Remus put it, with improper grammar but with an accurate understanding that by not saying anything you can often convey a powerful or dangerous message.
As a presidential candidate, Obama was careful to say nothing about the brutal Israeli blockade against the 1.5 million people in Gaza, about to enter its fourth year. As president-elect he stayed mum as the Israelis attacked densely populated Gaza, killing some 1,400 Gazans.
As President, he has backed down at every significant moment when Netanyahu thumbed his nose at Obama or at Vice President Joe Biden.
Obama knew about the “Freedom Flotilla” and its plan to bring supplies to Gaza. And he had to be aware of Israel’s threats to attack the relief ships. But, like Uncle Remus’s B’rer Fox, Obama “don’t say nothin.’”
Quite the contrary, Obama’s pro-Zionist White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, who recently vacationed in Israel and met with Netanyahu last Wednesday, extended an invitation for a working visit at the White House. Netanyahu was to visit Obama on Tuesday after a four-day visit to Canada.
On Monday morning, Netanyahu canceled out of a gala dinner to be held in his honor in Ottawa and nixed the visit to Washington. He said he hoped that both Prime Minister Stephen Harper and President Obama “understand that Israel has a great security problem.”
Getting Away With Murder
The fatal incident off the Gaza coast was not the first time Israel had used lethal force against a nearly defenseless ship at sea. The attack on the “Freedom Flotilla” was reminiscent of the attack on the USS Liberty during Israel’s Six-Day War against three of its Arab neighbors.
The war started on June 5, 1967, when Israel carried out an unprovoked Blitzkrieg attack. What is my source for “unprovoked?” Former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, who 15 years later admitted publicly:
“In June 1967, we had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that [Egyptian President] Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”
Three days into the war, Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats turned their firepower on the intelligence collection ship USS Liberty in international waters after the Israelis had identified it as a U.S. Navy ship.
The Israelis later insisted that the strafing and torpedo attacks were accidents in the fog of war. However, U.S. intelligence intercepted Israeli conversations at the time showing the attacks were deliberate, and their nature and persistence showed clear intent to sink the Liberty and leave no survivors.
Israeli commandos clad in black were about to land from helicopters and finish off what remained of the Liberty crew when Seaman Terry Halbardier (later awarded the Silver Star) slid over the Liberty’s napalm-greased deck to jury-rig an antenna and get an SOS off to the Sixth Fleet.
Israeli forces intercepted the SOS and quickly broke off the attack. But 34 of the Liberty crew were killed and over 170 wounded.
To avoid exacerbating relations with Israel, the U.S. Navy was ordered to cover up the deliberate nature of the attack, and the surviving crew was threatened with imprisonment, if they so much as told their wives. When some of the crew later called for an independent investigation, they were hit with charges of anti-Semitism.
One of the surviving crew of the USS Liberty, decorated Navy veteran Joe Meadors, was with the “Freedom Flotilla” when it was attacked on Sunday night. Meadors is past president of the USS Liberty Veterans Association. The State Department tells us that Joe Meadors survived this latest Israeli attack. At last word, he sits in an Israeli jail.
Rachel Corrie
Another American was murdered in cold blood on March 16, 2003. Twenty-three year-old Rachel Corrie, a volunteer serving in Gaza with the International Solidarity Movement was run over by an Israeli Army bulldozer after a prolonged face-off in full view of several of her volunteer colleagues. Rachel had been trying to prevent the bulldozing of a Palestinian home where she had been staying.
The message the Israelis wanted to convey in killing Rachel Corrie was that international volunteers would no longer be exempt from the brutal treatment accorded young Israeli volunteers who tried to stand up, as Rachel did, for decent treatment of Palestinians in Gaza.
The FCM’s excitement over President George W. Bush’s eagerly anticipated “shock-and-awe” bombing of Iraq three days later pushed what limited coverage there was about Rachel’s murder to the back pages. The Israelis claimed the killing was an inadvertent mistake, like the shoot-up of the Liberty. The courageous Rachel was very much with the Freedom Flotilla in spirit. And a certain poetic justice is to be found in that one of the ships in the convoy bore the name “Rachel Corrie.”
Israel cannot hide behind “inadvertence” this time, although its spin-masters are already doing their best to smear the civilians on the ships with buzzwords, calling them “militants” and “terrorists” who “ambushed” and tried to “lynch” the Israeli commandos.
These P.R. tactics may work with the American FCM and neocons in Washington – and by extension the TV-watchers in the United States – but patience with Israel in the international community is wearing paper-thin.
Some Care About the Scandal of Gaza
Much of the world’s impatience has to do with Gaza, including the Israeli attack from Dec. 17, 2008, to Jan. 18, 2009, as well as the three-year blockade that began when Hamas won Palestinian elections and became the governing party in Gaza.
Israel and the U.S. government deem Hamas to be a terrorist organization, though some other countries regard it more as a resistance movement fighting against Israeli occupation.
Regardless of how one feels about Hamas, Israel’s harsh blockade of Gaza and last year’s military assault have inflicted a humanitarian disaster on the Palestinian people.
Has Netanyahu Gone Too Far?
Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan has reacted strongly to the Israeli attack on the relief ships, the largest of which sailed from Turkey. According to one report, Turkey has served warning that Turkish Navy ships will escort future relief convoys to Gaza.
Erdogan has had it with Israeli mistreatment of Muslims in his eastern Mediterranean neighborhood. On Jan. 29, 2009, at the economic summit in Davos, he leveled harsh criticism to Israeli President Shimon Peres’s face, labeling Gaza “an open-air prison.”
Erdogan angrily cited “the sixth commandment — Thou Shalt Not Kill,” adding, “We are talking about killing” in Gaza. Erdogan’s one-and-a-half-minute tirade was captured on camera by the BBC.
Five days before Erdogan’s outburst, the Brazilian government also condemned Israel’s bombing of Gaza and its effect on the civilian population as a “disproportionate response.”
It seems to have been the atrocity in Gaza—plus a common determination to prevent war from spreading to Iran—that galvanized the successful joint effort by Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan and Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva to defy Israel. They persuaded Iran to agree to transfer half of its low-enriched uranium to Turkey for further processing, rendering it unusable for a nuclear weapon.
Defy Israel? you ask. Confused? If the Israeli leaders truly believe that low-enriched uranium comprises an essential part of an “existential threat” to Israel from eventual nuclear weapons in Iran, would they not be delighted at Iran’s agreement to send half of that uranium out of the country? Good question.
Truth be told, Israel cares a lot less about Iran’s uranium that it does about forcing “regime change” in Tehran. Netanyahu does not want any agreement with Iran; he wants sanctions against Iran, and eventually a military conflict, with the U.S. jumping in to help finish Iran off.
And this twin wish is shared by American neocons who remain influential in the Obama administration and in the FCM.
The pro-Israeli hardliners are the ones running U.S. policy on the Middle East, not Obama, who seems only nominally in charge. Unusually clear proof of this came when the Brazilians released a letter revealing that Obama had personally encouraged the Brazilian and Turkish leaders to pursue the kind of deal they were able to work out with the Iranians.
Small wonder, then, that the leaders of Brazil and Turkey were taken aback when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and other administration spokespeople trashed the tripartite Iran-Turkey-Brazil deal and pressed ahead with a new round of sanctions.
And the President? Did he step up and acknowledge that he had encouraged Brazil and Turkey to seek the uranium deal? Well, he don’t say nothin’.
Israeli Influence
While Americans continue to be starved of real information from the FCM, better informed people around the world have come to view with disdain the degree to which Washington dogs are wagged by Israeli tails.
When I suggested five years ago before a Capitol Hill hearing chaired by Rep. John Conyers that Israel was right up there, together with oil and military bases, as comprising the real rationale for war on Iraq, I, too, was called anti-Semitic. But the evidence has always been as clear as it is abundant.
An inadvertent remark by a major player on Iraq, former British Prime Minister Blair, has provided insight — straight from the horse’s ass, I mean, mouth.
In early February 2010, the British press revealed that Blair, testifying to the Iraq war commission in the U.K., offered the following account of his discussions with Bush in Crawford, Texas, in April 2002. (That’s when Bush said war was the only way to deal with Saddam Hussein, and Blair acquiesced.) But Blair’s remarks revealed that Israeli concerns were a major part of the equation and that Israeli officials were involved in the discussions. Thus, Blair:
“As I recall that discussion, it was less to do with specifics about what we were going to do on Iraq or, indeed, the Middle East, because the Israel issue was a big, big issue at the time. I think, in fact, I remember, actually, there may have been conversations that we had even with Israelis, the two of us, whilst we were there. So that was a major part of all this."
It is a safe bet that Hillary Clinton’s Likud-friendly lieutenants and their new junior partners in London are busy conferring with Tel Aviv right now about how to handle the P.R. challenge caused by the upstart leaders of Turkey and Brazil with the temerity to work out a deal with Tehran. (Never mind that Obama personally asked them to do it.)
How does one make into a bad thing Iran’s agreement to ship half its uranium out of the country, even if additional steps might still be needed to assure the world that Iran is telling the truth when it says it isn’t building a nuclear bomb?
More and more people around the globe are seeing Obama as subservient to the Likud Lobby, perhaps not as enthusiastically as Bush was, but still unwilling to put action behind his occasional words of dissatisfaction. Important players in the Middle East, as well as increasingly assertive countries like Turkey and Brazil, conclude that the policies and behavior of Tel Aviv and Washington are virtually identical.
And then there is the $3 billion or so that the United States gives Israel each year that enables the Israelis to arm themselves to the teeth. It is understandable, then, that many will blame Washington for what happened in the dark of night, on the eve of Memorial Day, on the high seas.
Hard Lessons
The likely results are three-fold:
1)--On Memorial Day next year, there may well be hundreds more “fallen heroes” to honor, killed by Muslim and other “militants” who make no distinction between what the U.S. has done in Iraq and Afghanistan and what Israel does in Gaza and the occupied West Bank — and add Lebanon and Syria, for good measure.
As Gen. David Petraeus pointed out earlier this year, the unresolved Arab-Israeli “conflict foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel” and thus puts U.S. troops at greater risk.
“Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples in the [region] and weakens the legitimacy of moderate regimes in the Arab world,” Petraeus said. “Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support."
2)--The linking of U.S. support with Israeli actions increases the incentive of terrorists to ply their dark arts in the United States.
While it is difficult to find a measure of objectivity in official U.S. government documents on this topic, every so often there is a slip between cup and lip. There was such a slip on Sept. 23, 2004, for example, when the Pentagon-sponsored U.S. Defense Science Board issued a formal report concluding:
“Muslims do not ‘hate our freedom,’ but rather, they hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights.”
You will not be surprised to find out that the board’s report was generally suppressed in the FCM, as were the following, more specific, examples:
“By his own account, KSM’s [9/11 “mastermind” Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s] animus toward the United States stemmed not from his experience there as a student, but rather from his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel.” [9/11 Commission Report, July 22, 2004, page 147]
And what motivated Dr. Humam Khalil Abu Mulal al-Balawi, the 32-year-old Jordanian physician of Palestinian origin, who on Dec. 30, 2009, detonated a suicide bomb at a CIA site in eastern Afghanistan, killing seven American CIA operatives? According to his brother, al-Balawi “changed” during the three-week-long Israeli offensive in Gaza, which killed some 1,400 Gazans.
When al-Balawi volunteered to treat injured Palestinians in Gaza, he was arrested by Jordanian authorities, his brother said. It was after that arrest that al-Balawi allowed himself to be “recruited” to spy on al-Qaeda for the CIA. Quickly, it became payback time for Americans and Jordanians whom he associated with Israel.
Christmas underpants bomber Abdulmuttallab, also is reported to have been particularly outraged by Israel’s slaughter of Gazans at the turn of 2008-09 and Washington’s defense of Israel’s action.
That Israeli actions in Gaza acted as catalysts to al-Balawi’s and Abdulmuttallab’s determination to exact revenge on the U.S. is hardly surprising — the more so in view of Washington’s efforts to suppress the findings of the UN-commissioned Gaza investigation by Justice Richard Goldstone. His report concluded that:
“The blockade policies implemented by Israel against the Gaza Strip, in particular the closure of or restrictions imposed on border crossings in the immediate period before the military operations, subjected the local population to extreme hardship and deprivations that amounted to a violation of Israel’s obligations as an Occupying Power under the Fourth Geneva Convention. …
“Israel has essentially violated its obligation to allow free passage of all consignments of medical and hospital objects, food, and clothing that were needed to meet the urgent humanitarian needs of the civilian population …
“The Mission concludes that the conditions resulting from deliberate actions of the Israeli forces and the declared policies of the Government with regard to the Gaza Strip before, during, and after the military operation cumulatively indicate the intention to inflict collective punishment on the people of the Gaza Strip.
“The Mission, therefore, finds a violation of the provisions of Articles 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.”
3)--Attacking Iran
It is no secret that this goal enjoys high priority on Netanyahu’s agenda. It could be stopped in its tracks by a public warning from President Obama. But all signs point to his bending to neocon advice to shy away from a showdown and, rather, leave everything, including another war of aggression, “on the table.”
The fact that world leaders consider Netanyahu a clear and present danger to peace in the region is shown by the way the leaders of Turkey and Brazil moved at an accelerated pace to bend the Iranians to the kind of deal that Obama personally had advocated, before being overruled by Hillary Clinton and others in his misguided Team of Rivals.
The urgency of the Turkey-Brazil initiative came through in the words of Brazilian President Lula da Silva, who could hardly have been more explicit:
“We can't allow to happen in Iran what happened in Iraq. Before any sanctions, we must undertake all possible efforts to try and build peace in the Middle East."
Green Light?
Netanyahu listens only to Washington, when he listens at all. Following the bloody attack on the Freedom Flotilla, I imagine he will now get at most a mealy-mouthed “please-don’t-do-this-again” from the White House, together with acquiescence in an Al-Haig-type made-up excuse about an “exchange” of fire.
If that proves to be the case, Netanyahu is altogether likely to consider that Israel has a green light to provoke hostilities with Iran, with the full expectation that the United States will jump right in to help the non-ally ally finish the job.
Non-ally ally? Sorry, despite what you hear from Obama, Congress and the whole Washington Establishment, Israel is not an ally of the United States. Webster’s (and international law) define ally as “a state associated with another by treaty.”
There is no mutual defense treaty between the U.S. and Israel. (Washington has broached the idea to Israel from time to time, but Israel has said no thanks. Treaties, you see, require internationally recognized borders, and—for obvious reasons—Israeli leaders avoid that subject like the plague.)
NATO member Turkey, on the other hand, is a U.S. ally. This could make things very awkward if Turkey sends its warships to accompany the next convoy trying to lift the siege of Gaza. It is possible that Washington may have to choose between a real ally and a synthetic one, if shots are fired.
Israel’s Attack Illegal; What Now?
Craig Murray, a former British ambassador and Foreign Office specialist on maritime law (and VIPS member), has just weighed in with a helpful description of two clear legal possibilities, which take into account both international law and the Law of the Sea:
Possibility one is that the Israeli commandos were acting on behalf of the government of Israel in killing the activists in international waters. The applicable law is that of the flag state of the ship on which the incident occurred.
In legal terms, the Turkish ship was Turkish territory. So in this case Israel is in a position of war with Turkey, and the attack by Israeli commandos falls under international jurisdiction as a war crime.
Possibility two is that, if the killings were not military actions authorized by Israel, they were then acts of murder and fall under Turkish jurisdiction. If Israel does not consider itself in a position of war with Turkey, it must hand over the commandos involved for trial in Turkey under Turkish law. It is for Turkey, not Israel, to carry out any inquiry or investigation and to initiate any prosecutions. Israel would be obliged by law to hand over indicted personnel for prosecution.
Stay tuned.
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Show AllMr. McGovern misses some key points in his analysis above. For example:
1. Non-violent humanitarian aid workers:
Videos of flotilla members beating soldiers with metal clubs and throwing them off the ship’s deck are a far cry from the righteous non-violent movements inspired by Ghandi and Martin Luther King (http://bit.ly/ciG1HC, http://bit.ly/bQUaO6). Was the flotilla’s main goal to transfer humanitarian aid to Gaza? Probably not, since they repeatedly ignored Israel’s offers to transfer their supplies through Israeli ports (see one such public request from the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs website, published three days before the raid: http://bit.ly/azJVjD). Unmonitored shipping will likely never be part of any peace agreement between Israel and Gaza or the PA, especially in light of multiple past attempts by Iran to smuggle weapons to the PA and/or Hezbollah (Iran’s other terrorist client in the region besides Hamas). See the Karine-A incident in 2002 (http://bit.ly/9UbJWZ), and the Francop Affair in 2009 (http://bit.ly/ahhsRx).
2. The one-sided impact of the Fawning Corporate Media (FCM):
Despite complaints one may have against US-based media outlets, it’s absurd to believe that the Arab and Islamic world have a more free or impartial journalistic system. Some few examples: There have been multiple reporter kidnappings in the Gaza Strip: from two Fox News reporters kidnapped in 2006 (http://bit.ly/dBurpr), to Alan Johnston who was kidnapped in 2007 by more terrorists even more extreme than Hamas (http://bit.ly/blELja); and see a 2010 article from Reporters Without Borders, no friend of Israel’s, labeling Iran as the world’s biggest prison for journalists (http://bit.ly/96SQw6). However, American support for Israel is dismissed as a result of a corrupt media, but terrorist’s justification for their acts of terror (re-hashed by Mr. McGovern above) are never challenged as a product of the brainwashing that they receive from their media outlets (such as this clip from Iran’s Al-Alam TV discussing Holocaust denial: http://bit.ly/cbJ949).
3. Rewriting History:
While missing key facts about the current flotilla issue, Mr. McGovern goes ahead to rewrite the historical record on the Six-Day War of 1967. His use of the term “unprovoked” is not supported by his singular quote from Menachem Begin. In the weeks prior to the war, Egypt had expelled UN peacekeepers from the previously demilitarized Sinai and massed 100,000 troops along Israel’s border (http://bit.ly/d5Rfx6), and had closed the Straits of Tiran for Israeli shipping to Israel’s southern city of Eilat (http://bit.ly/bY6uWr). These are facts that only the most extreme and deliberate misinterpretation of the word “unprovoked” can overlook. And to continue his misuse of history, Mr. McGovern brings up the USS Liberty incident, which has been investigated and concluded to be an Israeli mistake (rather than a deliberate act) by both the US and Israeli governments (read a 1981 report from the NSA which consistently uses the term “Israeli miscalculation”: http://bit.ly/cj8L2j), and for which Israel has paid over $6M to the families of the victims and another $6M to the US government (http://bit.ly/dnWdqH). Regardless of what open questions do exist about the USS Liberty, one would think that Mr. McGovern could come up with a more recent example than a 43 year old case of mistaken identity to support his headline of Israel “Getting Away With Murder.” And as his final misrepresentation, McGovern misuses a quote from Tony Blair as proof that Israel was a primary driver for the war in Iraq. Unfortunately for Mr. McGovern, the Blair quote refers to Israeli Operation Defensive Shield, which was going on in the West Bank at the same time as the Crawford Texas meetings with Bush. Re-reading the quote in context from its original source reveals this red-herring argument (http://bit.ly/aFZKFh, see Page 40, Line 16 - Page 42, Line 11).
4. Israel’s Position Regarding Gaza:
As much as Mr. McGovern and other interpreters of international-law would like to believe that Israel’s actions are illegal, Israel does not consider itself to be an occupying power in Gaza. Rather, it considers Hamas to be a terrorist organization, and its zone of political rule (ie. the Gaza strip) to be a hostile territory. Israel removed all its settlements from Gaza in their disengagement plan of 2005 (http://bit.ly/dvnqBU), and may have even continued peace talks had Hamas - which to this day does not recognize Israel’s right to exist (http://bit.ly/dl7Dtu) - not won the 2006 Palestinian elections, ignited a civil war with Fatah (the losing Palestinian party) in which over 300 Palestinians were killed (http://bit.ly/9Af9yo), and begun firing over 700 rockets and 600 mortars indiscriminately at southern Israeli towns (http://bit.ly/c4eBWz).
Mr. McGovern’s presentation is one-sided and misleading. The Israeli/Arab and Israeli/Palestinian conflict is complex, and attempts like McGovern’s to paint Israel as murderous, immoral, and secretly controlling US policy against the US’s interests, are at best not-helpful in bringing about peace, and at worse misleading propaganda to slander the Jewish State.
another zionist nazi apologist...
1) I saw crew and passengers repelling pirates armed with full automatic weapons.
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0531/raw-video-reporter-claims-israelis-fired-activists-boarding-ship/
demos, please follow this link. You can watch Live video/audio from the Mavi Marmara. The Pirates had not boarded yet but you can here the incoming rounds bouncing off the ship. There is a wounded man who has been shot. Invading Turkish territory(Mavi Maramara) was an illegal act of war by Israel.
2)US biased media is plainly obvious. Ever hear of the Geneva Convention and Israel violating it on the news down there in America. Of course not, that would frame Israel in a evil light.
3)All USS Liberty survivors tell a different story than yours. The Israeli Warplanes obviously could of seen the US flag flying from the ship. They did see the white flag of surrender when they shot up the lifeboats with US sailors in them.
4) You may consider the government of Gaza, Hamas a terrorist group. Most of the world right now sees Israel as a terrorist state. Hamas does not have nuclear armed missile. Large model rockets with no onboard guidance system made in metal shops. The world knows that Israel has nuclear weapons thanks to the ANC government in South Africa. The blockade of Gaza and the sanctions against Gaza are not supported by the UN, or implemented by the UN. It was condemned by the UN. Israel is murderous, just add up the numbers, dead Palestineans vs. dead Israelis.
Demos, change is coming to Israel. Mr McGovern did not have to paint Israel as a murderous, immoral, parinoid, state. Israel did it to itself. Colonel Netanyahu is a self-hating Jew and is destroying his people's future. Where do you get your sources? The IDF???
Responding to your points Smilodon:
1. I’ve watched the full video you sent. There is nothing in this video that disproves the claims I’ve made above. Specifically, that the flotilla members violently resisted the Israeli soldiers, and in a pre-meditated fashion. They were not non-violent protesters by any means. Some demonstrations of this from your video:
2:11 – 2 activists with bars pointing off-camera.
5:53 – Here we see from a different angle EXACTLY what the two videos I sent show – activists beating Israeli soldiers with clubs and chairs. Not only that – the “fully automatic weapons” that you reported seeing are actually paint-ball guns (see this clearly in the first video I sent in my original post (http://bit.ly/ciG1HC) at 0:52), and they can easily account for the popping noises heard in the background. As strange as it might sound, paint-ball guns are used as non-lethal riot control gear. In addition to paint-ball guns, the soldiers were armed with pistol side-arms, and the soldiers presumably used those side-arms to defend themselves from the mob that was attacking them (again, as shown in 5:53 on your video, and throughout the videos I sent above).
7:40 – More people with metal bars, some with gas masks even, apparently waiting in ambush for soldiers to enter.
9:09 – In this scene, which is clearly some time after the initial raid because we can now see the background water in dawn, the soldiers do appear to be holding some type of rifle. There are no activists on camera, and no sounds of automatic fire.
2. I did not claim that the US media is totally unbiased. I do claim that US media is less biased, more open, and more free than Arab and Islamic media, and that there is a logical inconsistency between dismissing US support for Israel as a product of its media, while completely ignoring the impact of Arab media on Arab terrorists.
3. I don’t “tell a story” about the USS Liberty events except to discuss their aftermath. The US government investigated the event and found that Israel had “miscalculated” (ie. the attack was not deliberate) (http://bit.ly/cj8L2j). Israel paid money to the victim’s families and to the US for the damages (http://bit.ly/dnWdqH). That these investigations occurred and arrived at their results, and the fact that Israel paid money are all facts – there’s no disagreement about them, only about interpretations of the actual events. Given that, it’s a pretty weak basis for an argument alleging Israel’s murderous patterns on the high-seas.
4. You may try to draw equivalence with Hamas and Israel by using the word “terrorist state” to describe Israel, but your equivalence is false. Israel has a uniformed army, Hamas does not. Israel does not deliberately target civilians as separate from military action, Hamas does (both suicide bombers and indiscriminate rocket fire into southern Israel). Israel has a separate and secular political and judiciary branches, Hamas does not. And your equivalence between Hamas and Israel is further undermined by your singular and severe condemnation and persecution of Israel, while leaving no mention even of acts committed by Hamas.
Furthermore, you raise the non-issue of Isreal’s nuclear weapons. Israel has a deliberate and stated policy of not introducing nuclear weapons into the middle-east (http://bit.ly/d7eMMD). Israel has never threatened to use nuclear weapons against its neighboring states or the Palestinian population. Not once. And again, you reserve your condemnation of nuclear weapons for Israel, ignoring Pakistan and India, which also possess nuclear weapons and have also not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (http://bit.ly/ctCkrb).
Finally, I assume your request for my sources was facetious, since I provide them as links alongside my commentary - something you have largely neglected to do. And, no, none of my sources is from the IDF (only one is from an Israeli government source, and it is used to show a public offer made by the Israeli government).
Your sources are target rich for ridicule and contradiction due to facts you conveniently leave out thereby attempting to give readers at CD a half-assed picture. In the USS Liberty incident, for example, you provided an archaic tome completely out of date. As a starting point, anyone can start their true search for truth at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident and go deeper from there. Your Likud orientation shows demos.
Carax:
I sourced exactly the same article that you are pointing to (see the http://bit.ly/dnWdqH link that I provided in both my responses above), and it supports the facts that I stated above (Official US investigation of the USS Liberty incident concluded that the attack was not deliberate; and Israel paid the families of the victims and the US government compensation for its actions). That Wikipedia article that you and I both cite itself cites the second source I used (http://bit.ly/cj8L2j) – the one you claim is an “archaic tome completely out of date” (it's from 1981, as I already pointed out in my original comment, which is unsurprising given that the USS Liberty incident occurred 43 years ago).
In your haste to “unmask” my already obvious personal political views, you’ve ignored my argument and the sources for my argument, indicating that you are more interested in ad-hominem attacks than in the meaningful exchange and debate of ideas.
The load of hasbara hogwash from demos obviously came to us courtesy of Tel Aviv. Rigidly and militantly ultranationalistic Israel is more an army, intelligence agency, and propaganda machine with a country than a country with an army, intelligence agency, and propaganda machine. Israel's thousands of sayanim in the USA, whose first loyalty is to Israel, not the USA, are out in force exposing their contempt for this country, its people, and what remains of their values and their culture, while attempting to portray the IDF's most recent murderous act of piracy in the eastern Mediterranean as self-defense, just as in the case of the IDF's cowardly air and sea attack on the lightly-armed USS Liberty on 8 June 1967. Israel's attack in the USS Liberty, an overt act of war that took the lives of 34 American crewmen and wounded 171, failed to sink the intelligence vessel. The state of Israel is pathologically violent entity with a long and extraordinarily well-documented history of stealing from, spying on, and attacking its would-be friends and making enemies out of all of its neighbors. Israel's leaders and their neocon co-conspirators in the USA seem to be utterly intent on self-destruction.
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Israel will do what it likes.
Until the US stops giving Israel money and weapons,
Until US politicians stop letting Israel elect and pay US politicians,
Until the US media stops reporting Israel with stars in their eyes.
Do you support, pay for, and apologize for for insatiable sociopathic killers in your neighbourhood? Take them cookies everyday, and make sure their automatic firearms are fully loaded? Try to keep them happy? Stop other peoples self defence efforts?
If it is that they are have been attacking bunches of other people you do not like, then this is complicitly, aid and accessory in murder.
But thats US national policy for you. Direct or indirect, its death, destruction and debilitation all the way. Its hard to tell which nation is the worse, and cursed with being unable to change.
today I heard an interview w/ an israeli governmental lady - didn't catch her name but she said she didn't understand the need for the relief ship as Israel was providing ALL RELIEF ITEMS NEEDED in the west bank!!!!!
cue the song "werewolves of london"
Gaza is along way from the West Bank, and Israel is not providing _anything_ to Gaza.
i believe that israel intention is to declare hegemony on countries in the middle and near east. the reason that israel attacked the french medicinal reactor in iraq was to nip any chance for iraq to ever think of acquiring nuclear weapons. this aearial attack on iraq was not at all possible had it not been for the complicity of both the saudis and jordanians on whose territories the israeli planes flew. then the follow up of the israeli's neocons conspiricy of destrying iraq. then came the attack on the syrian presumed reactor. israel figured out that any nuclear weapons in the hands of any government there would be a deterrent against their hegemony design.now it is iran's turn.all political pundits are of the opinion that even if iran is seriously planning to manufacture an A bomb, it will take some 10 years for this to happen. so why the rush to wage war now on iran with the unforseen consequences of the gulf oil routes blockade. then israel propaganda machine beat the drum that the muslim bomb in pakistan will fall in the hands of terrorists.so the best way to disarm pakistan is to foment a war against the oppositions there, hoping to get total control by the american forces of these weapons.all the while, uncle sam is there at the recieving end taking directions from the israelis, using their(the american's) arms and influence to do the dirty wars for the israelis.
PARAGRAPHS, PLEASE, if you're interested in more people reading your comments.
(Email from the Rachel Corrie aid ship)
RACHEL CORRIE: MV
6-1-10
Rachel Corrie is now the sole ship on the international freedom flotilla moving towards Gaza.
The Malaysian and Irish peace and humanitarian activists aboard share their deepest grief and sense of lost with the loved ones of those killed and injured in the illegal action undertaken by Israel on Monday 31st May 2010 in the international waters of the Mediterranean.
In the names of our friends, we are more determined than ever to continue into Gaza with our humanitarian cargo and our support for the blockaded and suffering people of Gaza.
We expect Israel to respond to the international condemnation of its violence by not impeding by any means the safe passage of the Rachel Corrie.
We appeal to the international community and United Nations to continue to demand Israel our safe passage into Gaza.
Jointly issued by Malaysians and Irish on board the Rachel Corrie.
____________________________________
The majority of Americans who have turned to the Internet for news understand what's going on and are outraged about it.
More Americans are waking up everyday & Americans are informing fellow Americans via the Internet.
It defies logic to see what has happened to Palestinians for well over sixty years and nothing is said or done to bring this injustice to and end.
Sadly the U.S. government must and should bear most of the blame for this Holocaust.
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/deutschland-uber-alles/
Had the United States reined Israel in somewhat, this tragic raid wouldn't have happened.
It is amazing to realize what the expectations of left wing radicals, like the author, are from Obama. They actually expect the US president to back up a clear provocation by a bunch of terrorist scum and turn against a legitimate and democratic state of Israel. It is actually scary, because he is willing to deliver. I hope I'm wrong. God save Israel and the civilised world. How many innocent victims have to die from the hands of terrorists, for you people to understand that Israel's cause is righteous?
"God save Israel and the civilised world." ?
This is a good example of how dangerous religion is for the simple mind.
Someone's been reading the Book of Joshua a bit too much, and buying into that psychotic narrative.
-TIA
What have you been drinking or smoking?
I hope you're being sarcastic??
Good grief!
Murder civilians after storming their ship in international waters: 'Righteous'
Bringing aid to oppressed Palestinians: Act of 'terroist scum'
Panasonic: A genius
Ray McGovern is no "left wing radical". You apparently know _nothing_ about the man.
You also are extremely ignorant of the fact that the majority of Palestinians are NOT terrorists. You show your ignorance when you call the people on those boats "terrorist scum". They actually are doing what the United States _should_ be doing ... attempting to provide medical supplies to the people of Gaza ... far different than the extreme hardships and acts of terrorism inflicted upon innocent Gazan CIVILIANS by the Israeli military.
How many millions of innocent CIVILIANS have to die at the hands of the Israeli military before the rest of the world decides that we've had enough, and will no longer tolerate their arrogance.
I'm opposed to violence FROM EITHER SIDE, but in this case it is _clearly_ an act of PIRACY in international waters on the part of the Israelis. We condemn the same acts along the coast of Somalia.
Yesterday morning, some STUPID Israeli official claimed they have a legitimate right to attack a ship in international waters if it threatens their security. Actually, he is WRONG. They have NO right to attack unarmed ships bearing humanitarian aid. NONE! How are ships that are not going to Israel a threat to their security?
Anyone who wants to accuse me of being anti-Semite can stuff it. The Palestinians are Semites, and I seriously challenge whether the majority of Israel's immigrant Jews have any ancestral ties to the region.
If anything, I'm anti-Zionist, which is not at all the same.
when one reads the comments of those israeli zealots, one can't help but gives the nazis all the excuses for their jews treatment.
Just out of curiosity, do you put regular sunscreen on your head or some special aryan blend?
a line of yours caught my attention:
when you say "God Save Israel and the Civilized World".....
exactly WHICH countries or "world" did you refer to as "civilized?"
I mean - this kind of phrase is so habitually thrown around by the self-described "exmplars" of "civilization" - such as the USA, Europe - and Israel....
it might be interesting EXACTLY which countries YOU would LIST as "civilized world?".
and then tell us WHY so but NOT "others" that , presumably , by the implication in your phrases - are "not part of" the "civilized world?"
i'm curious.
We have a wimpy AIPAC/MIC/Health insurance cartel/Big Pharm/Wall St. ass kisser for POTUS.
This is just more "change" we can't believe in.
Chelsea
Keith Olbermann does the same thing when he has Alter on Countdown.
The simplest and most convincing argument, to me, for the illegality and heinous nature of what Israel did is to ask, "How would the U.S. and most of the world be reacting if Iran had boarded a humanitarian vessel in international waters in the middle of the night and killed several internationals on board in the name of protecting its national security?" Many others have raised this parallel, but the answer is so obvious that I'm amazed even U.S. media can avoid it. (Many thanks to Glenn Greenwald for his passionate, clear televised arguments linked on CD yesterday.)
"Well, Israel is getting away with it. Evidently the lesson Obama learned is that he must follow AIPAC’s dictates to death."
If Obama if actually played real hardball with Israel--and I'm not saying he's naturally inclined to do so, but if he did nevertheless-- they would have him assassinated and frame a Tea Bagger.
So, yeah, I think "to the death" is pretty much to the point.
One has to wonder if this is the type of behavior that brought the prejudice that ended up bringing the horrors of the Holocaust.
Gee, did Israel have naval vessels back then?
Let's leave the bigoted 'blame the victim' crap to the Israeli government, shall we?
The Jews of Europe who suffered persecution and annihilation during 1930s and 1940s and the Jews of Israel who have behaved in a monstrous fashion are two entirely different peoples.The second group cannot self righteously don the cloak of suffering which belongs only to the first group.The nasty character of the second group cannot be assumed to belong to the first group whose fate evokes our pity and horror even today.They were innocent and blameless.
Please treat the two as completely separate entities.
Perhaps we can change the name of this planet: What's the Greek translation for "The Devils' Workshop"?
Afraid of his own shadow!