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Did Democrats Just Set a Brilliant Trap... For Themselves?
The country needs meaningful financial reform a lot more than it needs more political analysis. Yesterday, however, the two became even more intertwined than usual. By compromising on good policy on Thursday, it looks like Democrats have outsmarted themselves politically. Now the only fix left for them is to push for the best possible policies going forward.
Polls have consistently shown that the economy is the most important issue on people's minds, and the one most likely to determine how they vote. With yesterday's defeat of the Brown/Kaufman SAFE Act - an amendment which would have broken up the big banks and put a cap on risk-taking - the Democrats left themselves open to the charge that they've failed to stand up to the big banks or prevent another bailout.
The public understands Too Big to Fail. Unlike many aspects of financial reform, the Brown/Kaufman amendment was simple to understand: In the words of Alan Greenspan, if you're too big to fail you're too big to exist. Democrats not only let a critical piece of reform die yesterday. They also lost the political high ground.
At almost the same time, the President also chose to meet with chief Too Big to Fail-er Jamie Dimon on Monday. The optics and timing of that move are terrible. What were they thinking at the White House? Dimon runs JPMorgan Chase, which controls 44% of the derivatives market in the US and is one of four banks that control 94% of that market ( talk about "Too Big to Fail"). Dimon was there as part of a dinner with the Business Council, whose other attendees included the CEO of Wellpoint/Anthem. Obama could have let it be known that he pressed the case for real reform during the meeting, but chose not to do so.
Then there was yesterday's compromise to Bernie Sanders' "Audit the Fed" amendment, which means it may well pass next week. The compromise was supported by the White House (which released its statement so quickly that it raised the possibility that they actually participated in negotiations.) These two actions mean that the public may learn just how many billions or trillions they spent to bail out the big banks, while the memory of Democrats' inability to stop those big banks is still fresh in their minds.
The same thought may have been mind when the compromise audit language was drafted. The Fed has until December 1 of this year to post its bailout information - which, conveniently, is after the November elections. It's possible that this date will not survive, however, given the likelihood of Republican pressure for a faster response.
The amendment may not survive, either. The compromise gives Republicans all the ammunition they need to oppose it. As of this writing, Ron Paul and the infamous David Vitter are planning to introduce the original Sanders/Paul language. If the Democrats defeat the original amendment or refuse to allow it to come to a vote, that will give Republicans another opportunity to say that Dems are in thrall with the big banks. If the compromise amendment passes anyway, the Republicans can (and will) say that Democrats caved to the big banks.
As for Brown/Kaufman, sure, most Republicans voted to kill it too. But they're already developing their rhetorical decoys for that. And the Democrats have created a trap for themselves, as cleverly as if it were designed by the general of an opposing army. Consider how artfully the Democrats outsmarted themselves:
In an environment where the economy is the number one issue on voters' mind and public hostility toward big banks is extraordinarily high, Democrats took the one bold simple step the public easily understands off the table (Brown/Kaufman). Then they compromised on an proposal to audit how our money (yes, it's our money) is being spent through the Fed. Now they're in a position where embarrassing information will come to light if it passes, information that will further inflame the public against the same big bankers they just protected by defeated Brown/Kaufman.
Or the Fed could wait until its Dec. 1 deadline, in which case suppression of information will be the issue Dems have handed to the GOP. And if the compromise fails, along with Paul's or Vitter's original amendment, the Dems can now be portrayed as defending the big banks against the heroic efforts of the Republicans.
And while all this was taking place, the President chose to break bread with the head of one of the biggest Too-Big-to-Fail banks in the world. General Pyrrhus himself couldn't have mapped out a better strategy for self-defeat.
In an ideal world, Democrats would roll back yesterday's compromise and pass the original Sanders Amendment. But that's not likely to happen. The compromise audit proposal is better than nothing, but it leaves them in a weakened position going forward.
What can the White House and the Senate leadership do now? Their best defense is to fight for the best policies. The public understands the basic principle behind the Volcker rule ... banks shouldn't gamble ... and they feel passionately about the need for strong consumer protection. If the Democrats come out fighting for these two proposals and several other strong amendments next week they can gain some of their lost ground back. They can also work with like-minded Republicans, some of whom support reform on principle and others of whom simply recognize the political benefits to be gained from fighting the big bankers.
The alternative is to keep walking into the brilliant trap they've devised for themselves. The choice is theirs.
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Show All. . . on Thursday, it looks like Democrats have outsmarted themselves politically. Now the only fix left for them is to push for the best possible policies going forward.
Say what? Who gives a rat's anus what the Democrats do? They're totally corrupt and whatever they do will NOT be for the benefit of ordinary people.
I could care less as well. If I vote at all, I'll be going independent again with perhaps a republican or two if it means throwing out a democrat. Sorry, but these guys are the biggest liars of all time. More war. More bailouts. No one goes to jail. More invasion of civil and privacy rights. Bigger police state. A crime ridden border invasion in the southwest (and they want more (WTF?)). More drilling off our shores. Someone should start asking who the hell these people really are. Communists? Fascists? Socialists? Or just pure greedy Capitalists?
Why should anyone vote for these guys? They're WORSE than republicans.
After watching Moyers and Hightower last week, its just as plain as day democrats are nothing like the people we need now--or had before. Nothing populist about them at all. And they can't be changed. They simply hate the hard-working blue collar folks in this nation. I really just don't get it.
Although with republicans things will continue as usual, at least I may have a little more money in my pocket, i.e. food on the table.
With Repiglicans you will see things far, far worse. There may be few Dems that stand up for the people, but there are literally no Repigs who do. None at all.
With Repiglicans you will see more of the forces that brought us to this place to begin with: more deregulation, more environmental catastrophe, more corporate takeover.
It's America's turn to the right starting in 1980 that has put us in this mess. Most Dems are complicit, but Repiglicans have always been the driving force for the domination of the people by the few.
All of the problems you name began with Repiglicans, and in no way will end with them. You will see more economic turmoil; tyranny of corporations.
There is a meme lately: "Both are just as bad". Isn't it strange that now this meme is out once the Repigs lost power? Where were the tea-baggers during the BushCo years? Yes, both are bad. 'Just' as bad? No. To claim that is to whitewash the horrible crimes of the past 8 years of BushCo just for starters. Not to mention the awfulness of the rise of the religious reich-wing in America. No, we have problems, but to claim they are both as bad is to simply wash your hands and give up. It's defeatist and wrong. The differences may be with only few, but they are there. Yes, elites have their grip on dems, but each and every Repiglican will sell their mother into slavery for a turn at the money spigot.
I suggest look for good Dems and Independents, and whatever you do, never vote Repiglican. Ever.
good Dems and Independents such as Kucinich and Sanders? Oh what a laugh ! LMAO !
Laugh all you want, and while you're at it, here's some facts to ponder:
- 27 Dems voted against banking reform, that leaves 20-some who did. How many Republicans?
- In the vote to remove some of the last regulations on Wall St (under Clinton) Dems and only Dems were the ones to vote no. Repiglicans had been trying to remove them since FDR - who was a Dem.
As bad as they are, I'll take a government full of Kucinich and Sanders over Repiglicans - wouldn't you? Or are you too busy laughing? You think life under Neo-cons or the Christian Taliban will be better? Vote Repiglican and you'll never laugh again.
lucky--I hate saying this because I hate that it's true, but the Dems always do a little dance so we think they're better than the R's. Members from different states have different corporate allegiances so they let some D's vote no as long as the bill passes. For example, Byron Dorgan is great on telecommunications but hideous on Big Pharma/FDA and agriculture. Sometimes the R's do this too but not as often.
It doesn't matter, they are nearly all bought and paid for. Kucinich is tolerated only when he toes the line. He doesn't even seem to get trade-offs.
Understand, and true. But still I think there are Dems with at least some integrity, and I don't see any from the right at all, excerpt Paul, but only on libertarian issues. I don't see the point in voting R (the original poster) or getting disengaged by the 'they're all the same' meme - which has that affect on me, anyway. As bad as this is, I believe that president Palin and a Repig house/senate would be considerably worse.
"As bad as this is, I believe that president Palin and a Repig house/senate would be considerably worse."
There is nothing that you achieve by allowing such silly fears to thwart your abilities to vote right. I used to think like that and now look where we are at. In fact, "Naturally" some time ago actually proved that we would have ironically been better off allowing Mccain/Palin to win. He doesn't support the Republicans either but issue by issue, the irony is clear. Unlike most posters here, I am a practical liberal but even I can see where this party has crossed the line to the point of no return. As for the Democrats remaining with supposedly some integrity left, name them and then explain why each of them failed to use their political power to force their colleagues to their side. If we actually had a Democratic Party that was any better than the Republicans, not even the posters on Huffington Post would be agreeing with most posters here that the Democratic Party is setting itself up to politically die.
"silly fears" uh, no. No, not in the least. If you're claiming that Kucinich and Sanders have no integrity left at all, then,sorry, but you're very long gone and there really isn't any point in debating with you.
The Repigs are turning the US into a third world nation at 100 mph.
The Dims are turning the US into a third world nation at 95 mph.
Some choice, eh?
It depends how far you have to go still. A 5 mph diff means a 5 mile distance over an hour, and that's plenty of space to stop the car. Quick little quips like yours and mine don't mean anything. Get involved, that's what you can do instead of waiting for someone to come along that you can vote for - or run yourself..
And here goes the evasion strategy. Do everything to blame the little guy and avoid blaming the real big culprits simply out of fear or just plain party loyalty. That used to work on me but I'm no longer dumb enough to defend Democrats like that. You don't know who all of us have been involved only to find our efforts getting thwarted by the same politicians we had some trust in but then chose to work against us the minute the got into office. You know, it's funny how the Democratic Party goes so "boldly" in favor of the corporations and the military schmucks while simultaneously throwing us to the wolves. Of course, we'd expect this from the Republicans but when Democrats play their little wheeling-dealing games of split and vote issue after issue, I really do feel rotten to the core that we voters who trusted this party are being played for suckers. Maybe my darling niece was right about one thing. Obama and the Democrats could reinstate slavery and racism and you would call that "progress". In the mean time, you want us to be a bunch of asses paying no attention to the man behind the curtain playing us for fools, right? Heavens knows how many fools will be like you in this year's election or in 2012 but go on. Take big pride that it will either be the Democrats or Republicans and you can keep playing your silly games of twiddle dee twiddle dum even as this nation goes broken beyond repair.
I never trusted 'the party', and that's not what I'm recommending. That was your problem, not mine.
If it's not your problem, then why do you keep defending the party as if it is? If you're going to play devil's advocate, try harder.
Are you mad because you can't get anyone to vote the way you do?
Not at all. I voted for Obama and the more I learn, the more I feel like an ass ! Heck, I don't know if I will even vote depending upon whether any progressive third party shows up on the ballot or if it becomes another boring election of Obama vs GOP nominee only. I might not bother voting at all come 2012 ! Who knows?
"He (McCain) doesn't support the Republicans either but issue by issue,"
Nonsense. check his voting record.
I was talking about "Naturally" not supporting the Republicans. Mccain I know supports the Republican Party. My apologies for the confusion.
Please, take inventory and check the box scores.
Dems take the house
Dems take the senate
Dems take the white house
then struck out on every issue
as they were led to. Sheep over the cliff.
Might "led" mean "bribed"? -- I mean less or less often in a sense that might be prosecutable under these claptrap laws, but bribed and bribed thoroughly by campaign monies?
I voted Dem for a good part of my adult life, and I might at some point again, but I cannot see any reason why I should mourn these people when I dislike the Republicans for doing almost exactly the selfsame things.
Why should I excuse them for being sheep? After all, it's not like the Republicans are not fools themselves.
"27 Dems voted against banking reform, that leaves 20-some who did. How many Republicans?"
That is totally irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it was a Democrat, Republican, or Independent who voted against the reform. What matters is that the action done was wrong.
"In the vote to remove some of the last regulations on Wall St (under Clinton) Dems and only Dems were the ones to vote no. Repiglicans had been trying to remove them since FDR - who was a Dem. "
But that again is irrelevant. The Democrats had the chance to block the Republicans but enough of them refused to. You cannot possibly be serious about trusting a party that splits off votes and confuses people about what the party stands for. I see that you purposely omitted the 2008 vote to bail out Wall Street. Embarrassing, isn't it?
"As bad as they are, I'll take a government full of Kucinich and Sanders over Repiglicans - wouldn't you?"
Even after Kucinich and Sanders voted for the corporate interests ? So let me get this straight. Just change their party labels and bingo you trust them? Is it any wonder we get feckless leadership? It's a good thing those two bozos weren't around when Medicare passed.
"You think life under Neo-cons or the Christian Taliban will be better? Vote Repiglican and you'll never laugh again."
I never said that nor did I imply that. You are only trying to bring up a distraction just to make the Democrats look better which they are not. For your own information, I voted twice for Nixon, twice for Reagan, once for Dukakis, twice for Perot, and thrice for Nader.
Point me to the results for the wall st bailout. Please. I didn't omit anything on purpose; so it's sure as hell not embarrassing. You cannot begin to compare Kucinich and Sanders with the likes any Repiglican. If there is anything irrelevant in this thread it's your personal voting record.
"Point me to the results for the wall st bailout."
House of Representatives:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll681.xml
Senate:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2008-213
"You cannot begin to compare Kucinich and Sanders with the likes any Repiglican."
They may have voted against the bailout in 2008 but this year, they voted for Obamacare and went corporate just like the Republicans.
"If there is anything irrelevant in this thread it's your personal voting record."
Hey dumbass, I ain't a politician so I don't get to cast a f*king vote. Pay attention.
Wow, thanks for getting personal ;) very sweet of you...
As I suspected, the vote had broad support on both sides, so voting Repig isn't going to get you anywhere. In fact, if the Repigs had stuck together in nazi-like lockstep as they usually do, the bailout would never have passed. Obamacare is arguably damaging, but it's nothing compared to the damage done to the world and America by Repiglicans.
Hold on there "lucky". Voting third party is not voting for Republicans. At least have some respect for third party voters. Technically, you are correct that had all the Republicans stood together, it wouldn't have passed but we expected far better from the Democrats. Saying bad things about the Republicans however true will not make Democrats look any better unless the Democrats correct their own actions. It is their power and responsibility to do so. As for Obamacare, as far as health care is concerned the GOP got everything and more that they wanted. Mark my words. If they come back to power, they won't repeal a single part of the bill. At worst, they might regress a few things a little more on that scam.
In 1994, the Democrats could care less that they would lose because they could always blame the Republicans for it. In the 2000s, the Republicans didn't care either and for the same reasons. Both parties are only gonna play musical chairs and partisan supporters of both sides will only go schadenfreude on laughing at failure with nothing substantive for an alternative. The only purpose of failing is to succeed and both parties have been historically good at it. The Democrats choosing to fail probably have more lucrative offers to reward them when they are done. The same thing of course happens to the Republicans. That my friend is the game of politics.
Democrats hate being in the majority! They would rather be the enablers, and be able to say, "We're trying our best but we just don't have the votes!"
So this could go on for a long time unless voters RISE UP and think and vote differently.
Why aren't there any Predator drones flying over Washington DC?
I know how you feel! At least people trapped in Nazi Germany knew that sooner or later the Allies would rescue them...as long as the US is THE superpower, who will rescue us?
Democrats are showing that their allegiance is to big money - not to the average American. They are just as bought and paid for as the repubs.
On Fluffy Post, only 4 comments there and none of them sound like O-bots ! As far as I am concerned about this party, I am done trying to tolerate the failures of this party. It would be far better if the Democratic Party were renamed to the Hee Haw Party for what it is worth since all they like to do is fail fail fail !
Only 4 comments on HuffP? Let's see, there are 12 comments on CD for this story so far. Stories on any major political topic on HuffP get thousands and thousands of comments.
As of now, it's only 20 comments on Huffpost. Thousands more you say ???
Huffpost only gets more responses when the O-bots feel that the article is worth replying to in their view. Of course, today must be Friday so who knows how many responses it would have otherwise been.
What a strangely constructed argument. Now the Dems will really have to behave well to restore public confidence because this time they really really defied public will. How could such a thing have happened? The party that says its for the people actually acts against the people. Class--can any of you out there tell me why this might have happened? (All hands but one start waving and the teacher asks the one who is still puzzled and does not raise his hand.) "I don't know teacher but I bet they are real sorry about it and I don't think they will ever do anything that bad again." Laughter follows in the rest of the class--after-all, they are third graders--they have given up believing in Santa Claus for almost a year now, only a few are still a bit arrested in their development.
tammons, you are being too optimistic about the future of our young. With more public schools closing and the remaining one getting overcrowded for those who cannot afford private/charter schools thanks to Bush's NCLB with no politician to touch it with a 1000 ft pole, I am afraid you have it backwards. This nation does not have an educational system to produce truly enlightened students. That of course is bound to worsen with more public schools facing closure.
"(All hands but one start waving and the teacher asks the one who is still puzzled and does not raise his hand.) "I don't know teacher but I bet they are real sorry about it and I don't think they will ever do anything that bad again." Laughter follows in the rest of the class--after-all, they are third graders--they have given up believing in Santa Claus for almost a year now, only a few are still a bit arrested in their development."
Correction:
Only one third grader raises her hand and speaks out on the game being played by the Democratic Party. The other students are baffled and one of them accuses her of being a "Republican plant" and there is laughter. The wise one who raised her hand is the only one who does not believe in Santa Clause while the rest of the students are still brainwashed.
Hello Stanley and Tammons,
OK, OK, I get it. Democrats are working for the corporatists, and are no better than Republicans. Fine. Now will someone on this site please talk about what they are DOING to build an alternative to the duopoly, and what WE should do about it? Other, that is, than proclaiming your disaffection to people who already agree with you.
It is time to "move on" to action, or at least planning for it.
Here is a story which encompasses all of politics.
The young Ty Cobb, a thoroughly nasty human but a great ball player, is playing third base in sand lot. A ball is hit between third and short; actually a little closer to short. But Cobb runs in front of the shortstop, picks up the ball and throws to first.
"Hey," the shortstop complains, "That was my ball."
"Then you should have had it," replies Cobb.
In other words, friends, I've already heard enough about what the other players are doing. Now I want to hear what WE will do with the ball, if not on the field of the entire country, than at least in our neighborhoods, jobs and schools.
In solidarity,
Laurence
Laurence, you are right that we should be having a third party ready to represent us but we have yet to get seriously organized on it. I still think that the Green Party is trying to recover from the damage it took in 2008. I am definitely worried that not only are we missing the boat for a third party that can best represent us to take over but that we will miss it again come 2012. I am ready to vote outside the two parties but I don't know what I will do if I don't get a third party on the ballot. Like most voters, when we get cases where our favorite third parties are not on the ballot, either we end up choosing not to vote or we reluctantly go neutral and vote Democrat yet again. I could write someone in but with today's voting machine technologies, I doubt that it will even get counted. I am really stumped but I thank you for bringing this up because while I am trying to recover from my voting guilt, I feel that as one who wants to vote anew, I am stuck between a rock and hard place. :(
Hi Stanley,
In '06 I started a third party for the election in Berkeley. I don't have time to tell you now how and why it was a fiasco, and why I am now organizing gardeners instead (going out & the message is getting old) but if you or anyone else writes me, I'll tell the story and the conclusions I have reached.
In solidarity
Laurenceofberk@aol.com
Laurence, thanks and I will get back to you sometime this weekend on it.
You're missing the point of the person's post. We cannot hold on to a democracy just by voting. It's no wonder your 'stuck' since you're looking for an answer in a place where there is none. The answer is not: 'well they're both the same, and there is no 3rd party, and jeeze what else can you do..' That is the highway to disengagement and discouragement. Voting is not the answer.
The answer, imo, lies in movements. Find a cause or make one yourself. Civil rights, Voting rights, and all the great movements of the past happened not by voting, but by activism. Are you a member of any group? Do you go to any party movements? There are many, many websites with excellent movements in all sorts of areas, they are begging for help. Get involved, get active. Run yourself! Don't wait for someone to come along you can vote for.
For example, one huge issue is instant run-off voting to give the 3rd party candidates some room, otherwise they can't make it.
"You're missing the point of the person's post. We cannot hold on to a democracy just by voting. It's no wonder your 'stuck' since you're looking for an answer in a place where there is none. The answer is not: 'well they're both the same, and there is no 3rd party, and jeeze what else can you do..' That is the highway to disengagement and discouragement. Voting is not the answer. "
No, I get what he is saying and I acknowledge what we're all missing. But now that you said "voting is not the answer", then by your own logic, DON'T VOTE FOR ANOTHER DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN ! How's that?
"The answer, imo, lies in movements. Find a cause or make one yourself. Civil rights, Voting rights, and all the great movements of the past happened not by voting, but by activism. Are you a member of any group? Do you go to any party movements? There are many, many websites with excellent movements in all sorts of areas, they are begging for help. Get involved, get active. Run yourself! Don't wait for someone to come along you can vote for. "
I understand that part but you want us to believe crap like "poor democrats, they can't do it without you" to which I reply HORSE SHIT ! Politicians have all the power and responsibilities that we citizens lack. For your own information, I and probably most of us here are already doing our part even as the politicians continue to work against us. I get it that you are trying to evade the real culprits and play this silly game of blaming everyone else whether you are a paid party loyalist or just plain blinded by party loyalty. Wake up and stop being a heehaw party apologist !
I'm not blaming anyone, and I'm not paid by anyone. I simply disagree with your hopelessness. I never said don't vote for another dem or repub either - maybe you're still missing the point, it's about movements...
btw: you don't need to repost my entire post in your response.
Democrats, Republicans, democrats, republicans.
SAME difference.
Wake up.
Even "independent" Bernie Sanders is part of this lie. He had no good reason to cave in, but, here he is, AGAIN, caving in.
100% owned.
I see even Bernie Sanders (a socialist) isn't pure enough for you leftists anymore. hilarious.....
Do you even know what a socialist is? Go back to you Limbaugh land fatass. LMAO !
Are you saying you support the big banks?
Cman2,
Obamabots support whatever they are told.
And yes, Sanders is not pure enough for me as he's all hat and no cattle.
He touts one thing and caves when it comes to voting.
Someone keeping their work actually means at great deal to many of us here.
Try some dignity on for size-- it may become that "change" you can believe in.
Chelsea
The Huff Post and the NY Press has done a wonderfull job of
keeping Bill Clinton out of the headlines in the story of how
Bubba gave us Nafta, that ended up in the outsourcing of our industrial base to China. Again it was Bubba who deregulated the Banking system and destroyed the Glass Stealgle act.
Bubba and his wife who were poverty striken before all this action to destroy the working classes are now worth some One Hundred Million Dollars. Common Dreams should remain a voice for the working classes and not be fooled by the Pretenders like Huff Post and others.