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Oh. My. God. Obama Clueless
I'm with Simon Johnson here: how is it possible, at this late date, for Obama to be this clueless?
The lead story on Bloomberg right now contains excerpts from an interview with Business Week which tells us:
President Barack Obama said he doesn't "begrudge" the $17 million bonus awarded to JPMorgan Chase & Co. Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon or the $9 million issued to Goldman Sachs Group Inc. CEO Lloyd Blankfein, noting that some athletes take home more pay.
The president, speaking in an interview, said in response to a question that while $17 million is "an extraordinary amount of money" for Main Street, "there are some baseball players who are making more than that and don't get to the World Series either, so I'm shocked by that as well."
"I know both those guys; they are very savvy businessmen," Obama said in the interview yesterday in the Oval Office with Bloomberg BusinessWeek, which will appear on newsstands Friday. "I, like most of the American people, don't begrudge people success or wealth. That is part of the free- market system."
Obama sought to combat perceptions that his administration is anti-business and trumpeted the influence corporate leaders have had on his economic policies. He plans to reiterate that message when he speaks to the Business Roundtable, which represents the heads of many of the biggest U.S. companies, on Feb. 24 in Washington.
Oh. My. God.
First of all, to my knowledge, irresponsible behavior by baseball players hasn't brought the world economy to the brink of collapse and cost millions of innocent Americans their jobs and/or houses.
And more specifically, not only has the financial industry has been bailed out with taxpayer commitments; it continues to rely on a taxpayer backstop for its stability. Don't take it from me, take it from the rating agencies:
The planned overhaul of US financial rules prompted Standard & Poor's to warn on Tuesday it might downgrade the credit ratings of Citigroup and Bank of America on concerns that the shake-up would make it less likely that the banks would be bailed out by US taxpayers if they ran into trouble again.
The point is that these bank executives are not free agents who are earning big bucks in fair competition; they run companies that are essentially wards of the state. There's good reason to feel outraged at the growing appearance that we're running a system of lemon socialism, in which losses are public but gains are private. And at the very least, you would think that Obama would understand the importance of acknowledging public anger over what's happening.
But no. If the Bloomberg story is to be believed, Obama thinks his key to electoral success is to trumpet "the influence corporate leaders have had on his economic policies."
We're doomed.
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Show AllWhat a nonsense article coming from another opportunist. Paul Krugman can pretend that he's shocked but he isn't fooling any of us. He should give up his rich salary job and try doing the jobs we average joes and janes are stuck with. Obama can beg the Republicans to support him but I have more than had it with him.
The '"liberal" pundits at large defending him"' are on the corporate payroll. They're just another group of actors on the corporate controlled stage.
Democrat apologists for Obama are a greater threat to PROGRESS than the teabaggers and Rethuglicans combined.
Chelsea
'Vichy' media. 'Vichy' politicians. TWO 'Vichy' political parties.
All working for precisely the same single, seminal corporate/financial/militarist EMPIRE.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
Is "Corporatocracy" so hard to swallow?
Your country(and possibly the rest of the world)
has been conquered.
Resistance is mandatory.
Krugman is a lost economist.....
Obama is a lost Lawyer.....
Both w/ the N. Prize...
Is the picture starting to come into focus?
"Is the picture starting to come into focus?"
CLEARLY!
OMG is right. We have a corporatist hag for a President.
Chelsea
OK, but is there any evidence?
Joe
Critical posts have disappeared into cyberspace. What more do you need?
Gary
“Don't mind criticism. If it is untrue, disregard it; if unfair, keep from irritation; if it is ignorant, smile; if it is justified it is not criticism, learn from it.”
-- unknown
I had no idea that so many posts, from various writers, had been disappeared, until I returned home last night.
This morning, an article disappeared (something about Obama being stupid) -- and even though I questioned the usefulness of the article in my comment, I still thought, if CD wanted to post the article, that's their choice. In return, it's my choice as to whether I read the article and respond, which, in this case, I did. But, now, all the comments are gone, too. People often put a lot of time, and careful thought as well, into writing their comments, and fact-checking, etc.
I have too observed that perfectly civil posts seem to go away based on some arbitrary criteria I do not understand. Frustrating. There may be good reasons, but I believe that reasons should be made available in some form. We live with too much Kafka already.
My question here about evidence makes no sense, since my original question about the phenomenon of the "nvisiblei onord" [move the last letter to the beginning of the word] seems to have evaporated along with all others on that topic. I was asking if there is any evidence of this unseen benefactor and his or her influence, or is it just speculation.
PS - I just noticed that the site moderator explained that when an offending comment is removed, all the child entity comments go with it. The fact that an explanation was given is somewhat reassuring.
Joe
Yes, but some of the grandchildren (and children) are still hanging around with nothing to do.
Sioux Rose
ARRY: You get the funny-bone award. Cute!
Well, my post disappeared. First time for me. Isn't this absurdly sensitive, CD?
Might as well "disappear" this one, too. It's just a lonely post with no meaning out of context.
Yeah, I noticed that too, Mike. I responded (disagreeing) to you and now your and my posts are kaput.
What gives, Common Dreams?
Edited to add: Common Dreams has done this before. I have questioned Common Dreams on several things - they never respond. Never.
We write things here understanding that this is the deal with them.
I'm getting queasier here all the time.
I'd like to say something on this topic but my nerve failed and my self-imposed gag got in the way...
Hello Ted,
You, and others here, had both responded to a comment which was flagged for violating our commenting policy. When an offending comment is removed our software also deletes all of its 'children' in the thread.
Sorry.
http://www.commondreams.org/comment-policy
Not sure you will see this post now, as it's move down the road.
If you do - where is your commenting policy posted? I looked and couldn't find it.
Also, does it take one flag for a comment to be removed? Seems a little arbitrary to me.
Not that I am pleased if Obama really said he did
not disagree with the bonuses; I just want to say that
professional athletes also benefit from taxpayer
support because local governments often contribute
hugely to the construction of sports stadiums. So
his analogy isn't all that bad. And consider all the
special support and funding that athletes are provided
by public education in excess of other activities. So,
I would say that great athletes are coddled by the
taxpayers too.
I suppose you have something there, but for the president to equate them, after what we have just been through (and are still going through and what we will be going through) was bone-headed and inexcusable.
Obama is showing his cards and they ain't pretty.
"There's good reason to feel outraged at the growing appearance..."
Well, obviously, people should be outraged not by the APPEARANCE, but by the REALITY. The (unconscious?) subtext here is that we should just get the *appearances* right, and everything will be just fine. Try as he might, PK cannot seem to get clear of the corruption he is attacking.
Still, it seems that PK is expressing genuine outrage, which is all to the good. But there's a jokiness to the tone that suggests that he realizes his outrage is pointless and ultimately comical. I wish he would devote his considerable abilities to examining the question of why it all seems so pointless...
ditto, Alternet, but less CD.
I was briefly expunged for a time, but CD in the long run seems far more open than most.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
PS. There's open and then there's OPEN, but at least several are much better than Huffington Puff.
Nice to see that Paul has finally chosen to fight on the correct side --- against both 'Vichy' parties of the Empire.
It's about time for Nobel economist, George Akerlof, to up-date his prescient 2001 comment that "in the Bush administration we do not have normal government economic policies, but rather a form of looting" --- to be expanded and generalized to, "In both these 'Vichy' parties fronting for the global corporate/financial/militarist Empire, what we have is a form of ruling-elite looting (by negative externalization) and intended extinction".
Paul, as Bogey said to Captain Renault when heading off together to fight the last global fascist Empire, "this could be the start of a great relationship"
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
Sorry, Paul, but Obama is full of clues. His forthright statements of admiration for banker bonuses will win him kudos where it counts - on Wall Street, who will re-elect him if they feel like it. And, by the way, they don't need to be worried about their Standard and Poor rating. Whoever's in the White House will authorize bailouts into th 22nd century if that what it takes to serve those who must be obeyed. Trumpeting "the influence corporate leaders have had on his economic policies" is what elected him and what will keep him there as long as his service is valued.
I think the point is, he's clueless about the impact this is having on Main Street Americans. Clueless about how outraged we are.
No...I think Obama has LOTS of clues that the masses of Americans (especially the ones who stupidly voted for "less-evil" instead of a the honest guy who ran) are pissed...and I think he knows FULL WELL what he is doing to Main Street. He has made a deal w/ these greedy-robber barrons and they will take care of him and Michelle and maybe those two adorable well-cared for daughters. When you play with the Mafia you get rewarded....and he cannot turn back now.
"When you play with the Mafia you get rewarded....and he cannot turn back now."
That explains it all. It is true and I know it. He is playing for his life.
A true letdown. That means we have No leader. The people are leaderless. What are we going to do about it?
I'm afraid it's Krugman that's clueless. Just like most of us know when to praise the boss, Obama knows when to praise those who made him President.
These guys drove their companies and the world economy to the brink of bankrupcy, which was only staved off by handing them the national piggybank........very "savvy"...
...about as "savvy" as Obama is as a national politician.
Obama is viewing the world through his own four cornered Axis of Evil. GIGO
It appears Mr. Obama is advocating what The Supreme Court has permitted in Law:
Greed and the Government have formed an unholy alliance. This alliance has near absolute power. The level of corruption will match the level of power. The recent Supreme Court Decision seeks to strengthen the alliance. Failure to condemn corruption or give it an aura of respectability makes you party to it. Savvy Businessmen work to create an environment of Trust to unleash creative energy. Trust is not a component of our financial system and Mr. Dimond et al helps to set that "tone at the top".
If Trust is not restored; corruption will unravel the fabric of this Country. That process is underway. The primary effect of corruption is the lowering of human potential. Mr. President, do you really intend that accomplishment?
Obama made his pact with the demon banksters, Main Street be damned, and he knows it full well. So we're no longer under his hypnotic ether. The question is: What will we do about it?
Thanks to such excellent and reliable news sources as Fox, the Washington Times and the Republican Party, most people seem to forget that the bailout die was cast even before Obama was sworn in.
What was he to do after he was sworn in? Proclaim it as a big mistake and shake the confidence of the nation even further?
On the other hand, he certainly should have called these bank executives on the carpet and humiliated them into foregoing their big bonuses at least until the crisis was over in the public eyes... or at least he might have suggested that the stockholders of these companies might want to replace their management teams and boards of directors in the near future.
When it comes right down to it, the stockholders of these banks and other corporations that pay their top people these outrageous amounts seem to be the ones who are brain dead... don't they realize that every dime that goes into these bonuses and ridiculous salaries is one less dime paid in dividends and interest to the stockholders?
No provoice, He should of declared that it was a mistake and that we were stuck with it. Then he should of informed Wall St. and the Banks about the major strings that he was attaching to the bailouts. He should have then gone to Congress and informed them about his plans for major regulation of the Banks and Wall St. That way he would of gotten off on the right foot with the American people.
Forget about Obama the community organizer, that was in another lifetime, we are stuck with Obama the corporatist. The sooner you Obama supporters realize this the quicker we will be able to fix your mistake and turn this country around!
We are not stuck with it. If he were FDR, he would invoke a Glass-steagall type bankruptcy reorganisation & REPUDIATE the wallstreet casino gambling debts. They are null & void; fictitious & non-existant. Wallstreet eats the loss, NOT mainstreet. Then direct the US treasury to print greenbacks (a clever Lincoln maneuver) to fund a series of great infrastructure projects putting tens of millions of idled workers to work doing real & necessary jobs. We don't NEED wallstreet. They are the parasites who NEED mainstreet for their swindles & scams.
Alas, we elected a Herbert Hoover who thinks money is real, and that scientists, engineers, technicians, machinists, factory workers, agri-workers, etc... are not; who thinks entrepeneurs & "savvy businessmen" are the geese who lay the golden eggs, when in fact its visionary statesmen/women who cause the REAL wealth-producers (the afore-mentioned workforce) to move into action & produce things of REAL value & worth & benefit.
We can still proceed from FDR's playbook. Indeed we MUST, if the nation is to survive.
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/text/us/fdr1936.html
The playbook on audio.
This country was born in the fires of radical rebellion. it's time for a rebirth, stoke the flames!
What's PUMA for "I told you so"? :)
Hey , President Obama is the " undecider " one week he is blasting bonus's next week he is for it.
One year he is against the " war on terror" the next year he is for it.
One century American Christians love their neighbors and their enemy's, the next century the are taught to hate gays ,lesbians,liberals, Muslims , and all secular non believers, while funding gang stalking vigilante community watch torture on Americans.
Why should he be held to a different standard than all other self-righteous totalitarian fascists.
I will never forget the last 8 years of right wing Christian lunacy that ran this country in to the depths of hell.
All because God told Bushy to go to war with a group of criminals, / country's that harbor criminals.
Were are lucky we are not at war with every non Christian country in the world by that definition of a mission.
I am great full we had elections, not a fascist take over and martial law, I am great full that there is an well educated skillful politician as President.
I hope all of America has learned that we must always protect the constitution, specially from domestic enemy's, and we should always demand substance over the good old boy network for our President.
On election day in 2008 I sat at my computer and wrote a summary of my concerns about Barack Obama. They are the concerns of a retired psychologist, and of someone like author John Irving who looks for clues in father - son history. IMO the matter with Rev. Jeremiah Wright was misconstrued as a religious matter, rather than foolish deference to an alpha male. To the extent that Obama bought into the actual hype and patter of JW, he was an embarrassment to Occidental College, Columbia and Harvard. My eyebrows lifted with the information "I know these two men" and "I have met with each." Their darshan would have been way too much for him whereas an average homeless person could comfortably spit in both these men's faces or, say, President Jesse "The Body" Ventura.
WRT the topic of a Free Market, Barack is welcome to my definition. In a Free Market, a woman being raped has her knees stretched apart by bungee cords rather than by inflexible rope. "Free" is legally represented by those available 2.5 inches of squirming physical protest.
Beyond a certain threshold of executive remuneration, my recommendation has been to abandon the "dollar" and define a new monetary unit called a "galaxy". Short of using scientific notation, we might capture an approximate upper limit to ego and greed.
"They are the concerns of a retired psychologist, and of someone like author John Irving who looks for clues in father - son history."
Couldn't that be said for almost every politician of the Washington ilk?
I think there are some distinct personality traits in the political class, and pleasing their fathers seems to be one.
>>I think there are some distinct personality traits in the political class, and pleasing their fathers seems to be one.<<
Stroking their inflated egos is another.
Gary
“Big egos are big shields for lots of empty space.”
-- Diana Black
"Free" is legally represented by those available 2.5 inches of squirming physical protest."
That is an interesting formulation.
As a person of a Marxist/anarcho-sindicalist outlook, I always liken the Freedom of Free Markets and Freedom of Contract to the similar freedom of being held up with an armed robber. You are quite free in this situation! You have the free choice to give the robber what he wants, the freedom to choose not give him what he wants and die, plus the fredom to gamble on the robber bluffing, and the freedom to gamble, if his is bluffing, on how badly you will be beaten with the pistol.
Isn't the Freedom of Free Markets wonderful!
There is no good reason to create a visually disturbing image of sexual violence while making your point. IMO I think you can revise your statement and avoid the visceral negativity that I currently feel towards you at this moment. Some might take issue with spitting in face as well, but the violence of rape elicits an emotional response from the average person that obscures any reasoning provided in the argument given.
An yes, Why are are surprised about Obama, he is not clueless. Quite the contrary, he does know these two men and many others who propelled him to politics when plenty other bright young minds are still advocating on local levels for the working class. Obama is a well conceived entity and foolish are they who are disappointed. It was clear from the beginning but few wanted to see beyond the color.
I agree the correlation between the economy and rape can be made but less graphic, it takes away from your point. I am also amazed that it took Krugman this long to realize that Obama is a fraud. Unfortunately corruption in politics is wider spread then i first anticipated.
It is a revelation on Krugman's part and still---
It is an understatement.
It seems many of you posters are living in a dream world alright. You can't have tolerated and supported this financial system for decades and now expect a venal congress, myopic supreme court and a newly elected minority president to reverse that trend in a few months. Through inaction on numerous fronts you all have essentially blessed the notion that high finance is All-American and probably always will be. (The UK has been our partner in crime.) Obama gets no credit for giving up on leading the charge, but America makes an oil tanker look like child's play when it comes to doing a 180.
I agree.
while Corporations and allied powers-that-be are the most dramatic and obvious "centers" of what ails america - and by it - ails global economics and justice, these are merely the "Pillars" of a society in which americans thrive (comparable to most other countries) through the price of impoverishing most other nations for the sake of the propserity that americans themselves, over the generations AGREED to or by timid or short-sighted tolerance ("my, mine") accepted and therefore aided in its growth .
What John Perkins, Former CIA "economic hitman" said fits but in more ways than just the apparent in his description:
"what most americans do not really understand or admit is: we are LIVING OUR LIFESTYLES only because it is part of a very , very vicious system of exploitation that dehumanizes and enslaves people everywhere"......
well and good as the statement goes. but it does not really stop there.
it is americans who have generationally handed down the belief in the capitalist system that have given the "health" to the corporations through their own acquiscence to that same culture -- of capitalism.
that it BITES Them and EATS them - just like it has eaten others elsewhere - when things reach a "blowback" stage , when what America has done to OTHER nations during the ILLUSION of "building prosperity and wealth and the american dream" at the expense of others elsewhere
is simply a case of denouement.
the "chicken coming home to roost" so to say.
but through all its Fascist/capitalist rise in these generations....americans HELPED elevate it to what it IS.
if that were NOT so ...the things that Reverend Martin Luther King, JR and many others struggled and died for - as EXCEPTIONS in their visions and struggles and sacrifices would never have been the events that they were...as the EXCEPTIONS to american life...
they would have been such NORMAL , matter-of-fact realities that a Martin Luther King Jr Need NOT have died for his principles and vision of REAL justice and truth.
but what HAVE americans done instead after so many events like that?
why.....they just went about their business as if such events were just a "generational" aberration - so they can go BACK to the business of being citizens of a capitalist country ...proud of it for being americans....and then
when they find out that it has been eating them up all along....they wonder aloud ...
"what the heck happened?"
well - the only answer is :
"it is NOT just BEcAUSE of the powerful or corporations....YOU became part of it anddid NOTHING to stop it in its tracks when others showed you they were DYING for the one thing they were asking NOT the powerful to do -- but asking YOU -- the ordinary american to do...JOIN THEM, Martin Luther and others -- to MAKE your america TRULY a country of justice and fairness and liberty for ALL....but you were TOO BUSY thinking that either you were too IMPORTANT to have to make those sacrifices....or were secretly even against those visions...and what you helped hand down decades later -- is exactly what you see happening TODAY...capitalism and its corporate Monsters grown even more powerful -- because when your own previous generations had EVERY opportunity to STAY its growth -- you chose to ACCEPT It".
Oh, my God, Krugman just woke up!
When did baseball players ask for a bailout then get a huge bonus? They are paid for their talent, whether or not they reach the World Series (which every team but two can't do).
Does he want every profession to make the same amount of money? What is that called?
Krugman's last line is correct: we ARE doomed!
The whole media production involving bonuses and CEO's relationship to the financial crisis represents nothing more than the ruling class sacrificing their second or third defense ring to protect the core. Armies do this all the time and, of course, in the class war, it is no different.
The crisis exists because of the changes in the structure of the economy over the past three decades. Low wages, debt, outsourcing, low taxes on the wealthy and corporations, and the resulting transfer of tens of trillions from the bottom and the middle to the top.
The ruling class, the finance capitalists, hire the CEOs to manage the plunder. Of course, they take their share of the booty, but it is a small part of the actual theft. They are pawns.
How do we know this is true? Simply, because the press is full of talk of "bonuses" and "CEOs". Do you really think that the press, whose sole purpose is to deceive, would be spreading the truth so far and wide that every ignoramus in every obscure corner of the realm would be blaming the crisis on "bonuses" and "crooked CEOs"?
You will notice that you will never find any attacks on corporate power in the press. Corporations are the first or second line of defense, depending on how you want to define it, protecting the core interests of finance capital. They are the queens, knights, bishops, and rooks protecting the king.