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Liberals, I Do Despise
First Published in The Village Voice, Nov. 12, 1996
After years of crafting and rationalizing Bill Clinton's version of the attack on poor people, high-ranking Department of Health and Human Services officials May Jo Bane and Peter Edelman resigned recently, several weeks after the president signed the hideous "welfare- reform" bill. David Ellwood, another architect of the welfare overhaul, left a year earlier. I'm sorry, but their grand gesture, tastefully skirting direct criticism of Clinton's action, seems too much like a self-righteous attempt to escape responsibility for their own involvement in bringing this savagery about. To that extent, their crocodile tears underscore the ugly truth of American liberalism.
Sometime early in Ronald Reagan's first term, I decided to forget everything I'd always disliked about liberals. I took pains to subordinate what put me off about them to the larger objective of unity against the rightwing onslaught, I decided to overlook their capacity for high-minded fervor for the emptiest and sappiest platitudes; their tendencies to make a fetish of procedure over substance and to look for technical fixes to political problems; their ability to screen out the mounting carnage in the cities they inhabit as they seek pleasant venues for ingesting good coffee and scones; their propensity for aestheticizing other people's oppression and calling that activism; their reflex to wring their hands and look constipated in the face of conflict; and, most of all, their spinelessness and undependability in crises.
But
during the '80s liberal opinion gradually accommodated to Reaganism by
sliding rightward. Two rhetorical justifications emerged for this
adaptation. The Democratic Leadership Council called for a new
centrism, jettisoning egalitarian politics and the constituencies
identified with it. Additionally, an excesses-of-the-'60s-as-fall-
Bill Clinton's genius is that he managed to embody both the neoliberal and DLC variants of the rightward shift, and combined them with a superficial earnestness that mitigates whatever egalitarian thoughts may linger among those who will to believe in him. So liberals have followed and rationalized and pimped for him through the debacle of his half-assed, insurance company-led health-care reform, NAFTA and GATT, his horribly repressive crime and antiterrorism legislation, and his conspicuous retreat from support of civil rights enforcement. Now Clinton's apologists even attempt to justify his embrace of the abominable welfare- reform bill, stooping to a Flip Wilson defense (Gingrich made him sign it) and using the bill's passage as a reason to vote for Bipartisan Bill (so that he can "fix" what he just did). Talk about will to believe. Or is it will to get paid? Their lapdog defense of Big Bill highlights liberals' willingness to sacrifice the poor and to tout it as tough-minded compassion and an act of courage. Even before Clinton won the Democratic nomination in 1992 this trait was visible, especially among those policy-jock types who had begin to sense the possibility of a Clinton victory and their impending opportunity to consort with power. I got my wake-up call from a poverty-researcher colleague who, on the eve of the Illinois primary, impatiently dismissed my objections to Clinton's having just executed black, impoverished, and brain-damaged Rickey Ray Rector. She blew me off as naive for not recognizing that any Democrat who hoped to win the presidency would have to support capital punishment. "Easy for you to say," I thought, but, regrettably, was too polite to say out loud.
Nowhere
have the moral and political deficiencies of this liberal notion of
realpolitik been more clearly exposed than around the Clinton
administration's welfare-reform politics. A decade ago, William Julius
Wilson set the tone with The Truly Disadvantaged.
In that work, Wilson chided the left for losing credibility, to the
benefit of conservative critics, by not facing up to a spreading social
pathology among the urban underclass. He proposed a sleight-of-hand
approach to helping the poor schmucks through "universal" programs that
wouldn't antagonize the better-off by appearing to do anything for poor
people in particular. Fittingly, he became a major Clinton apologist in
1992. Following Wilson, David Ellwood, a highly regarded liberal
poverty researcher at Harvard's Kennedy School, invented the "two years
and off" notion, which he publicized in his 1988 book, Poor Support. Ellwood
eased his provocative idea with calls for a battery of support services
that would accompany expulsion from the welfare rolls. Like Wilson, he
blew off the critics on his left who argued that his costly bundle of
safeguards would go nowhere without a forceful challenge to the
right-wing climate that his get-'em-off-the-dole slogan accommodated.
The fear, now realized, was that his liberal credentials would
legitimize the two-years-and-off idea as a programmatic goal without
including any of his finely crafted hedges.
Attracted
by Bubba's call to "end welfare as we know it," Ellwood and Kennedy
School colleague Mary Jo Bane headed south to become part of official
Washington. They would be the main players in the administration's
overhaul of welfare, using two-years-and-off as their centerpiece.
Joining the team later was Peter Edelman, the perennially up-and-coming liberal lawyer. He had assailed welfare as early as 1967,
employing the coded attack phrase fostering dependence (read: poor folks are lazy bastards).
Beneath all this idiotic coyness lie liberals' long-standing aversion to conflict and their refusal to face up to the class realities of American politics. They avoid any linkage of inequality with corporations' use of public policy to drive down living standards and enhance their plunder, So Marian Wright Edelman (Peter's wife) of the Children's Defense Fund concocted the strategy of focusing on children. This save-the-babies politics is not only maudlin (notice how her pal Hillary's "whole village" went so easily from raising a child to stoning poor families in her support of hubby's welfare travesty), it also gives in to the right's demonization of poor adults by conceding their worthlessness in order to focus on their presumably innocent kids.
Roll ahead to the summer of 1994. Ellwood and Pane, representing HHS, sat at Daniel P. Moynihan's Senate Finance Committee hearing on Clinton's welfare-reform package (which, by the way, wasn't all that different from the Republican thing he signed). Alongside them was their boss, another liberal stalwart, HHS secretary Donna Shalala. As chief Clintonista, Shelala proclaimed that the purpose of the president's welfare-reform initiative was to eliminate out-of-wedlock births, her underlings nodded in agreement -- thus playing into one of the ugliest right-wing canards about social provision. As if that wasn't disgusting enough, when Moynihan invoked the specter of "speciation" -- the notion that generations of out-of-wedlock breeding in isolated, impoverished city pockets has created a new "species" -- each of the HHS folks nodded again.
I'm sure that these good liberals would have explained away their participation in that dehumanizing characterization as a strategic move; their intention being the advancement of humane social policy within an unfavorable political climate. However, their behavior exposes a deeper truth about the political commitments on which this strain of liberalism rests: This is a politics motivated by the desire for proximity to the ruling class and a belief in the basic legitimacy of its power and prerogative. It is a politics which, despite all its idealist puffery and feigned nobility, will sell out any allies or egalitarian objectives in pursuit of gaining the Prince's ear.
In a few short years, these sort of liberals have reminded me of all that had troubled me about them, and more. I'd just about convinced myself that my earlier scornfulness was a function of youthful hotheadedness. Some was, but not that much. In the end, it is the poisonous mix of self-righteousness and hypocrisy -- as illustrated by Ellwood, Bane, and Edelman -- which earns my contempt.
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Show AllNicely stated.
Round II, anyone?
Just substitute Obama for Clinton, and now you have the rest of the story. Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Until we get a significant percentage of people (at least 10%) voting outside of the 2 party corporate system, nothing has a chance of changing. If just 10% of the people are willing to withhold their vote from the 2 major parties and give it to a candidate of conscience (this would have to include both democrats and republicans, though they don't have to vote for the same person), it would effect the outcome. The last election has Obama 52.9%, McCain 45.7%.
Vote third party, don't throw your vote away by voting for another corporate candidate.
Good one from the archives, Reed is spot on. We need more articles like these that actually raise serious questions and look behind the curtain; not the all too often sycophantic implicit legitimization of institutional corruption.
Agree.
I suspect that Obama, like Clinton before him, will prove to be a competent and thus worthy successor to Reagan and Goldwater. In other words, Obama may find himself able to carry out 'reforms' the others wouldn't dare to try.
The odd thing, though: Obama's regressive policies could drive a stake in the heart of the neo-liberal/-conservative alignment that has dominated American politics since about 1968. In the contemporary effort to achieve political clarity it helps that the American economy has declined and will continue to decline till it reaches a point when the median voter will be underemployed and poor. The silent majority might come to find itself in a position similar to that found among the undeserving poor who they once scorned. That day does not seem to be too far off.
not too far off at all. There was recently a report in the Wall Street Journal that employees of Goldman Sachs have started applying en masse for handgun licenses to protect themselves from the hordes. I pray I get to see the day when a Brooks Brothers-clad Andover boy fumbles for his piece while a slavering high-school dropout gets ready to plunge a knife encrusted with the dried blood of the last banker.
Is that Andover or Bendover?
I'd pay good money to see that.
Oh, hell, I don't HAVE any money!
Deja vu all over again. Thanks for publishing this as, of course, I had not seen it back in the '90's. I knew that the whole welfare reform thing was a total disaster as I worked with that "population". The only ones who did well with it were the big money folks as usual.
I guess that I am way to the left of liberal these days as I see through the hypocrisy of the Dems who SAY they are liberal, then do all they can to bow down to the folks with the money. When are we going to come to our senses and do what it says in the Declaration of Independence?
Outside the US the word "liberal" means lassez faire capitalist.
Must have been a re-alignment. That is what it means inside the US now.
Yup, you finally found a worldwide standard that the US is adopting, instead of being (from human rights, toxins, land mines and measurement syatems) obstinately contrary with the world over.
Back early in 1960 (or thereabouts) the Washington Post editorial cartoonist, Herblock, did one of his many cartoons about Richard Deathouse Nixon, then preparing to run for the presidency. Herblock used to portray Nixon as the character called "Dickiebird". In this one, Dickiebird is perched on top of a signpost with two signs. One read "FLY LEFT FOR VOTES" and the other "FLY RIGHT FOR CASH". It was not Dickiebird who heeded the latter sign. It was, ultimately, the Democrats.
Please --- here we have an Ivy League Professor, a member of the elite in this country, lecturing us about how nasty liberals are! Easy enough to do -- but I would like the good Professor to walk the talk. By how much does his salary exceed that of the average Philadelphian -- and what excuse will he offer for not donating his surplus income to the poor? -- I know that many of you will find this idea irrelevant -- as it is, in the context of current American politics.-- Ludwig Wittgenstein gave away his huge inheritance -- he wanted his philosophy to mirror his practice. When will Prof. Reed give up some of his material wealth?I suspect that he would rather lecture the rest of us. -- The elite in this country are overpaid (the average salary of an MD specialist is $471,000 a year). We can moan and groan about liberals and Neo-cons all we want, but until the elites give up some of their wealth and power, the situation we find ourselves in will change only at the margins.(I'm looking forward to reading the many defenses of Prof. Reed, that tenured radical -- all of us want someone else to effect change, which is why government programs are so popular.)
I don't know this man personally so I can't judge his actions. You're probably right in saying that as a whole, "tenured radicals" (a contradiction, in my view) are unlikely to have committed their lives to practicing what they preach.
However, we should remember that "class traitors" certainly do exist; what's needed is not a surrender of excess wealth, but active opposition (involving actions and real risks, not just words and tame protests). Of course, for most, this leads to loss of their luxury, either by choice or by organizational force, and most accept this as a necessary cost of independence, but by no means should it be a precondition.
Moore? Maher? Are you listening?
Sure, these guys aren't "tenured radicals", but they've got lott$a & lott$a cash, and they made it at our expense--albeit indirectly.
Hey guys, step it-up, pony it-up or shut up.
th4377
Your reply showcases the self-righteous ignorance Prof. Reed addresses in this piece. Rather than offer any salient comment you prefer to "shoot the messenger" due to your own self-loathing at your inability to offer anything even remotely intelligent in response.
BTW - MD's making $0.5M per year do not fit the "elite" tag you place on them - wealthy, yes - but they hardly set gov't policy. That is done buy the folks behind the curtain who blow half a mil on a nice vacation without batting an eye (gas money for their 160 ft private yacht ) - since they stole the $$$ from the public trough anyway. And, if you are anxiously awaiting the day that the "elites give up some of their wealth and power", then you are indeed even more stupid than you first appear.
Nothing unexpected about replies like yours -- utterly predictable. Let the elites continue in their secure jobs, pretend that overpaid MDs don't determine government policy, maintain that how a person lives has nothing to do with the "message" conveyed--- man, if the establishment wants to sleep more soundly tonight, they should read your comment. By the way, I'm not anxiously awaiting the day when the elites give up their power -- no anxiety is involved. I don't expect it to happen soon, but I don't fear it -- do you? (I sense in you a person who would rather mouth off about things while he lives in comfort -- forgive me if I'm in error, but your intemperate reaction to my remarks leads me to think that maybe a nerve was touched. Do you have tenure or a guaranteed income? Oops -- I forgot -- focusing on personal behavior is verboten.)
Adolph Reed's tenancy as "tenured Ivy League radical" or his salary have nothing to do with what he writes or in any way 'disqualifies' his expertise in the matter. In fact it is irrelevant. Anyone familiar with the larger corpus of his work can attest that he is not another posturing "limousine liberal" or "faux" radical. To try to dismiss him as such does his valuable work a disservice.
Certainly these professionals are paid 'too much' and Professor Reed would probably agree with you, But he is also not naïve enough to believe that these folks will voluntarily decide to live on peanuts. Such 'vows of poverty' are actually a form of reverse hypocrisy. Could not Wittgenstein's self abnegation be seen as a solipsistic indulgence of his own privilege? Either way, I do not think such things matter much either way.
Your canard is a classic one, and as usual it is misplaced. The struggle against 'liberalism' 'progressivism' Naderism' and all other reactionary ideologies is diverse and manifold. Reed is of that struggle, simply a 'different front.' To wit:
A few years ago in late December (The dry season in central Laos), an extremely wealthy French woman–an heiress 'N'– a doctor, bourgeois academic and former UN professional joined us in Laos, near Nong Het in the Plaine des Jarres ("Plain of Jars") area to assist those injured by the still active ordinance left during the Vietnam war by American saturation bombings. The work itself –the ongoing collaboration between the North Vietnamese Army, local peoples and Laos– is dangerous and unfathomable beyond what you can imagine. The American bombing campaign in Laos was so virulent that its effects still present massive public health problems in this area 40 years later.
'N' we heard was subsequently arrested in France as a 'terroriste' by the French government in a well publicized and ridiculous para military fiasco and home invasion. She was even thought to have been part of the scandalous booklet now published in English as "The Coming Insurrection" (Semiotexte). Friends say she still maintained her tenured salary, her job with the U.N. –and that so cute flat we visited in Paris in the trendy11th. Arrondissement.
We hope one day she will be rejoining us in the dry season in Laos this–perhaps even January– on the Plaine des Jarres. Same struggle, different front. And no, we don't care how much money she has. Where we are together the bourgeoisie do not exist. And unlike in American politics, is not that the goal?
'N' knows that private disavowals without the collective context of a larger or emerging liberation is posturing. Better that Adolph Reed be paid well to write what he does rather than scuffle with no voice in the American inferno of incipient fascism.
–(Jill Bains)
So how we live -- what the source of our income is,whether our job security mirrors that of most people, the amount of income we receive -- has nothing to do with the truth of what we write? Somehow, I can't see Thoreau agreeing with that -- but then, he'll be read in a hundred years, when the tenured Reeds of the world are forgotten. Your remark about Wittgenstein displays a philistinism that doesn't surprise me at all(after all, you're American, n'est-ce pas?). For those of us who admire those who practice what they preach, his refusal of the Wittgenstein millions adds to our admiration of the man. "Solipsism," indeed -- spoken like a true bourgeois.
All this from the pompous loon who fancies herself a "leftist" but relentlessly attacks Chris Hedges and Ralph Nader and most recently aimed her deranged spray of spittle at this Saturday's mass demonstration against the escalation of the war in Afghanistan; I guess it's an immediate general strike or nothing for this preening foodie and wine connoisseur!
There are some sincere and trenchant contributors out here--but too many threads end up as a lightning rod for dementia of the Jill Bains variety.
Ah yes, the 'well-paid' pundits. Dontcha just love that the Sarah Palins and Ann Coulters get all that money and attention. By golly, what would we do without them. Now, if this professor has real integrity, like Emerson or Thoreau, my hat's off to him. However, if he's merely speaking from a guilty conscience to make himself feel better while counting his coins, then his criticism falls flat, as correct in content as it may be. The courage of conviction shows its meter when it must stand alone, stripped of peer support. Thoreau was willing to go to jail when he refused to pay his taxes to support slavery. Giving to charities where the CEO makes more than a high paid medical specialist is not the answer either. It has always been my thought that if you have a 'good heart' it will eventually lead you in the right direction, lest it become corrupted by vanity or vice.
Nader-ism, another 'reactionary ideology'? Wow, then Chomsky must appear as chopped liver to you as well. And let's not forget Thom Hartman. Perhaps you more admire William Frank Buckley, Jr., George Will, and others of that ilk., along with their nasal-inflecting cohorts.
From the way you write, Jill, it's tempting to conclude you do so from the cloistered environment of a university or a family of means. If so, perhaps you need to step into the trenches with us poor folk and get your sleeves dirty. Maybe then, Nader will make more sense to you.
You do know that Adolph reed is a black man, who studies and writes about the black radical and black socialist traditions, don't you? You liberals find black socialists to be frightening, don't you?
University of Pennsylvania is not an Ivy League School.
His degrees were at UNC Chapel Hill, and Atlanta University - a small historically black school. He later taught at even smaller, black Clark College in Atlanta, then Howard University. No Ivy league...
Finally, he did hold a position at Yale from 1981 to 1991 before quitting for not fitting in a school where there are probably near-zero African American students once affirmative action got squashed. He then moved on to Northwestern and University of Illinois.
What would you rather Reed do? Organize an armed guerilla movement? or write books and speak to lecture halls full of young people every day? The latter seems pretty effective to me.
I am finding these cartoonsh caricatured charges of rich-elitism coming from users ID's I've never seen before, rather strange. Is this a organized trolling effort by the liberals?
Well, some of always thought that the Dems and Reps were just two sides of the same coin.
The first mistake was believing that someone who says they are a democrat is actually a liberal just like someone who says they are republican is actually a fiscal conservative. Everything else flows from that misperception
Precisely. If one defines liberal as someone who cares for and is willing to fight for the public good, liberty, and equality, then the Democratic Party, as a whole, almost never qualify.
" . . . someone who cares for and is willing to fight for the public good, liberty, and equality . . . ."
That's not a bad definition for a Progressive but it has little to do with being liberal.
Traditionally, a liberal (political or social) is someone who favors change and a conservative is someone who resists it. Thanks to corporate-media misinformation, these basic identities have been completely obscured over the past couple of decades.
q
The traditional definition grew up under the assumption change always brought more democracy to man. By cloaking their words in this language, reactionaries wanting more power in democracies can appear liberal while defeating the gains of liberalism. This is why I ask for a redefinition; the old definition is rather illogical.
You raise a great question and one great consequence of these kinds of articles is they ignore any definition, never ask "what is a "'Liberal"?
Does he hate all Liberals or some liberals or phony liberals.... radical liberals, conservative Liberals?... that is all obscured in this article because most political writers like to stir the pot.
"Liberal" is as general a position on a left to right spectrum as you can get... and it only has meaning in relation to specific actions and events... liberal compared to what? Is radical or Radicals ever accepted easily in nature?
They are demonizing a word and labeling people which is counter productive to political progress under the excuse of venting at a label.
"My 'so -called People' aren't good enough for me!!!" is what these articles always sound like they boil down to. People who think they are "good"... are they? We could find fault with anyone who thinks they are good and then we can write a revealing article called "I despise good people".
You have now been stirred and served.... enjoy your pavlovian lives.... I do.
Good question, labels do have severe limitations, do they not?
Yes!.. and Is it just me?
I mean, I appreciate so many different cultures and philosophies and being conservative to the Earth or conservation can be a radical concept in saving the planet.
That is why whenever I label myself or others label me i feel like I am in a box... like not really free and now I have to live up to somebody else's definition of a word.
Does anyone here like that feeling?
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Oh, I'm sorry this was writen in 96?
I probably hated Liberals back then too.
Never mind
Yes!.. and Is it just me?
Not at all you are in good company there.
That is why whenever I label myself or others label me i feel like I am in a box...
Exactly.
q - thanks for setting the record straight.
The terms liberal/conservative; rightwing/leftwing; democrat/republican have, due to the evolution of a thoroughly infantile, bastardized, coroprate media, become meaningless. The Orwellian nature of the media designed to keep the average drone comfortably numb - has done exactly that! ...as can be witnessed from the comment you replied to.
Any real discussion of issues of a political nature have essentially been "outlawed" by the corporate owners of the media. The only discussions allowed are so carefully framed that no one is allowed to wander outside the corporate box. When was the last time you saw an interview with Chomsky, Zinn, Parenti, or even Amy Goodman on CNN, FAUX, or any corporate owner media? Clue: NEVER
Prof. Reed's analysis was indeed spot on within the contex of his framework.
Let's face facts - Liberalism... specifically Neo-Liberal policy which has been official D.C. policy since at least mid 20th century has first and foremost favored support of dictators and mass murderers at the head of 3rd world nations so we can conviently relieve them of their natural resources. And the beat goes on... in Iraq, Afgh (pipeline from Turkmenistan) and of course the perpetual demon -IRAN (too much natural gas & oil NOT controlled by the Empires elite Vampires.
They're hoping for a redux of the reaction to Hedge's article or they're just throwing out chum?
This poor fellow bases his whole argument around the Clinton administration. Clinton was never a liberal and he never will be. He was nothing more than a neocon dressed up as a democrat. Given this fact, the good professor should enroll himself in poly sci 101 at the poor university he teaches at.
It is sad to see what is going on at this site. A campaign of negativity, anger, cynicism and alienation. As that song says, you know where it ends it usually depends on where you start. Good luck CD.
My thoughts exactly, lefty.
The onslaught of "negativity, anger, cynicism, and alienation" gets us nowhere.
I prefer to take the side of not "hope" and "change" or "vicious vengefulness" but honest people that do honest work.
There is a lot to be said for standing up to social injustices as we encounter them in our lives as well as involvement on a national level.
Labelling people as liberals or progressives or democrats means nothing.
What people do, means something. What have they done and what are they doing today to reduce suffering and make this planet livable for all life?
Isn't attacking each other a waste of energy that could be used to find a common ground?
I continue to say that Dennis Kucinich does that in his life and as congressman for Cleveland. I cannot think of a better person to serve the people's best interests as President.
The reality is that we need to work within the framework of the government we have.
What better person to do that than someone who comes out fighting every time for the people and is also well-liked by everyone?
I highly admire Kucinich and if he is your representative, my hat is off to you. Hopefully I will get the opportunity to vote for him as president.
I'm not sure what is going on here. The EPA announced Monday that they view CO2 as dangerous. Nary a word of it here. Perhaps they should adopt the slogan, "all the negativity fit to print".
'The EPA announced Monday that they view CO2 as dangerous. Nary a word of it here. Perhaps they should adopt the slogan, "all the negativity fit to print"'.
That isn't negative?
You sound pretty angry to me, (when not mixing messages) incidently--not that I think that is such a bad thing -if you could direct where you are angrily lashing out at. Wouldn't anger be a natural thing in response to the growing list of lies, betrayals, deceptions? I sure hope it makes people angry. I imagine the American revolutionaries were angry, thus true patriotism would be characterized as rooted in anger.
What would be the point of having accountability if everyone just held up the banner of "don't worry, be happy. How braindead can it get?
The EPA's proclamation lays the groundwork for legally regulating CO2 emissions in this country. I view that as a positive step.
I can assure your that my anger level is extremely high. My messages are never mixed and you need to provide examples of my purported mixed messaging. News, whether it is positive or negative should be taken into consideration as we try to be informed citizens. If you like censorship and filtering, good luck with that.
I'd like to see what actions the EPA have in mind for actually regulating CO2. The fossil fuel/chemical industry and large agribusiness clearly deserve heavier overall pollution taxes (not just CO2), but I'm not sure what they can do other than mandate standards against individuals and use proceeds to research/manufacture/spread green technologies to the public.
I don't know where they are going with this either. The important thing is, they took the first step. A little overdue in my opinion.
sue1403 - nice utopian drivel, ala Rodney King. "Can't we all just get along?"
Although I truely admire Kucinich, do you think that he would EVER be "allowed" to become Preznit? ...even if everyone in the country "wanted" to vote for him?
Let's be real - the vipers and vultures residing in every corporate news(hafta laugh)room are schooled in disecting, eviserating, mocking and ridiculing exactly anyone with a true populist agenda. Do you recall the Kucinich "UFO wackjob" which was trotted out endlessly, even though he hadn't a prayer in getting the dem nomination. And even if you want to entertain fantasies of his presidency - you can be certain he would become JFK 1963.
"The reality is that we need to work within the framework of the government we have."
-- have you not noticed that "framework" has been packaged into a very tight little box anyone working outside the Orwellian world would call - Totalitarianism.
"Clinton was never a liberal and he never will be."
Then why did Liberals rally around him so heavily in 1996?
You have to go back to 1980 when the USA made a decidedly sharp right turn. A lot of the working class in this country bought into that populist right wing fool's rhetoric and we are still paying the price. The democratic party perceived that their only option was to nominate this middle of the road turd pile. In reality, he wasn't even middle of the road as evidence by his list of "accomplishments". Hillary Clinton was quite loud with her proclamation that she wasn't liberal during her campaign. Clinton himself never intimated that he was liberal and always proclaimed himself center. You look at southern politicians and I can't think of one who is liberal. Perhaps someone can point me to one.
Lefty - look farther South.
Chavez - Morales
If you really stretch the def. of Liberal
Excellent point! My bad. I can't say enough good things about Chavez. Buy Citgo. I do, exclusively.
Lefty
Barbara Jordan(my hero), Sam Rayburn, Ralph Yarbourogh leaps to mind, Ann Richards, Lyndon Johnson, Lloyd Doggett, Senator James William Fulbright among many.
Of the ones I know, none of them qualify in my opinion.
Oh my! (lol) These are some of the best. Barbara Jordan doesn't qualify? Fulbright??
I'd take them on my team anytime.
Different criteria I guess. Not that its a surprise to either of us that you are far more to the left than I am. I remember long ago (not being nearly as stupid as some here believe) thinking, with a tag like "Lefty" I'll bet he's more to the left! (lol)
Good day to you sir!!
Jordon just based on her immigration stuff. I do work for illegal immigrants rights. You might have me on Fulbright.
I have to say Henry, I've grown to appreciate you more each day I see you work this board. You would be a real asset to the socialist movement.
I haven't met many people on this board who are left of me. We can spot each other pretty easy.
The more things change the more they change for the worse. Liberals are harmless they just spew words. The modern definition of a liberal is a person with no ass that craps through their mouth. Hardship and necessity are the change catalysts, not liberalism. The right walks all over liberals just to hear them spew. As someone who has "actually done things" through my life, and paid the price, I have earned the right to say these things.