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Rule-of-Law Extremism Engulfs Primitive Eastern Europe
Lithuania is currently embroiled in a bizarre and deeply confusing political controversy which reveals what happens when a country becomes gripped by extremist ideologies. Evidence has emerged that Lithuanian intelligence agencies allowed secret CIA prisons to be maintained in their country during the Bush era. Just because such prisons would be "illegal" under the so-called "law" of Lithuania and various international conventions to which that nation is a signatory, irresponsible leaders of that country are demanding "investigations" and even possibly legal consequences if it turns out crimes were committed. What kind of a backwards, primitive country would do something like this?
[I]ncreasingly, after years of issuing denials, Lithuania's leaders are no longer ruling out the possibility that the CIA operated a secret prison in this northern European country of 3.5 million people, and that its government will have to deal with the fallout.
Last month, newly elected President Dalia Grybauskaite said she had "indirect suspicions" that the CIA reports might be true, and urged Parliament to investigate more thoroughly.
What sort of a newly elected President would get into office and then start demanding that actions From the Past -- rather than the Future -- be investigated, just because they might be "criminal"? This deeply irresponsible Lithuanian leader apparently doesn't care about inflaming partisan divisions, and worse, appears blind to the dangers of criminalizing policy disputes. Even more outrageously, Lithuania faces one of the steepest recessions in all of Europe; obviously, this is a time, more than ever, that Lithuanians should be Looking to the Future, Not the Past. Instead, they're wallowing in deeply inflammatory, partisan and extremist rhetoric like this:
Valdas Adamkus, who was president when the CIA prison was reportedly in operation, from 2004 until 2005, said he had no personal knowledge of the covert program. But he raised the possibility that Lithuanian security officials could face prosecution if the reports are confirmed.
"If this actually did occur, and it is grounded with proof, we have to apologize to the international community that something like this went down in Lithuania," he told the Baltic News Service. "And those who did it," he added, "in my eyes are criminals" . . . .
Dainius Zalimas, a legal adviser to the Lithuanian Defense Ministry, said the existence of a covert prison would violate both Lithuanian statutes and international human rights conventions that the government signed. If firm evidence is gathered by the Parliament, he said, prosecutors would be obliged to open a case and could target both Lithuanian and U.S. officials.
"From a legal point of view, it would mean that Lithuania, along with the United States, was contributing to quite serious violations of human rights," said Zalimas. . . .
"Criminals"? "Prosecutions"? "Obliged to open a case"? "Violations of human rights"? Just because they maintained a few secret prisons in violation of domestic and international law? What kind of crazy, purist, Far Leftist utopians are running that place? They need a heavy dose of pragmatism so they can understand all the reasons why so-called "crimes" like this can be overlooked -- just blissfully forgotten like a bad dream. Even worse, with intemperate and shrill language of the type they're throwing around, it's seems clear that the Lithuanian press is sorely in need of some David Broders, Fred Hiatts, and David Ignatiuses to explain to them that subjecting law-breaking political officials to "investigations" and "prosecutions" is quite disruptive and unpleasant when those crimes involve matters other than consensual sex between adults.
Even more alarming, this "rule of law" and "human rights" fetish seems to be spreading: "In neighboring Poland, prosecutors in the capital of Warsaw have opened a criminal probe into reports that the CIA operated a prison for al-Qaeda suspects near a former military air base." Last month, an Italian court convicted 22 CIA agents of the so-called "crime" of kidnapping someone off their street and sending him to Egypt to be tortured. And the British High Court this week released its written Opinion -- over the objections of British and American officials -- ordering the release of details of Binyam Mohamed's torture at the hands of U.S. agents.
Thankfully, the U.S. remains a bastion of pragmatic sanity in this rising sea of accountability extremism. Unlike those strange Eastern Europeans and absolutist Western European purist judges, we know there are far more important priorities than "investigating" war crimes, compelling transparency, and holding political criminals accountable. As the rest of the world gets distracted by all this chatter about The Past, our President gallantly protects us from such divisive unpleasantries by aggressively blocking any war crimes investigations and concealing evidence -- even modifying decades-old transparency laws to do so if necessary. Even more inspiring, our patriotic media enthusiastically plays a crucial helping role; The Washington Post has known since 2005 in exactly which countries the CIA maintained its illegal, secret prisons but still refuses to say, even though they've now been banned by Executive Order and even though Lithuania and Poland are launching investigations which the Post could easily answer, but chooses not to.
When President Obama was in China last week, he proudly boasted of the American commitment to transparency and lamented that China lacked such values. Fortunately, he doesn't get carried away with "principles" the way that these short-sighted Lithuanians and Polish and others do. Unlike those unhinged primitive nations with no democratic traditions, we understand that government crimes should be disclosed, investigated and punished only when they occur during a time other than the Past. It's vital that we maintain our leadership role in teaching this critical value to the world, lest the type of crazed accountability/rule-of-law fetish currently engulfing Lithuania spreads even further like some uncontrollable virus.
UPDATE: Jonathan Schwarz notes that in 2005, Donald Rumsfeld traveled to Lithuania and visited a museum in Vilnius which once housed a KGB prison, where the Soviets tortured prisoners. That museum exhibits "solitary confinement rooms which were used to break down the prisoners and make them confess." Shockingly, "the walls are padded and soundproofed, made to absorb the cries and shouts for help," as it was the site of barbaric acts like this:
Prisoners either had to stand in ice-cold water or to balance on a small platform. Every time they got tired they fell down into the water.
After his visit, Rumsfeld released an "Open Letter to the People of Vilnius," in which he solemnly observed that "the museum was a stark reminder of the importance of preserving our liberty at all costs." Schwarz asks: "Did Rumsfeld Tour KGB Torture Museum to Pick Up Useful Tips?"




33 Comments so far
Show AllIf not now, when; if not me, who?
Rules of law?
such nonsense
Greenwald is unamerican
What is wrong with the rule of law, Mr. Greenwald? What is wrong with accountability? What is wrong with investigating some Bush dirt? If we don't investigate past crimes, are going to investigate future crimes???
I think that you are way into your pragmatism. Both Italy (rendition) and Lithuania (seret prisons) are investigating crimes that we should have been investigating.
i think he's being sarcastic
hi, cpotts observed correctly.
Greenwald wrote that as a sarcasm. it was so effective that when I read the title and then the first few sentences...i was taken ABACK! until i realized Greenwals used sarcasm to great effect -- the more to show the complete irony of the USA
holding itself up as the paragon of virtue and then - in the very countries that the USA used for its propaganda of "freedom" and "democratization" ...all of course to serve its inherently FASCIST capitalism --
not only has its "trophy" orange revolution "freedom" adventures gone so awry in their economic debacles...those countries that it used to HIDE its torture programs THEMSELVES turn out to be more responsible than the USA is in confronting these things.
it's a tonque in cheek ...but certainly extremely serious article .
Greenwald clearly wants to demonstrate the hypocrisy and the irony in the proctices of the USA..specifically by using its own "recent" client states like Lithuania as example on just how it is that the real MASTER of torture and hiding crimes
is NONE OTHER THAN THE USA - the "great democracy".
Good morning, reading!
Mr. Greenwald was most certainly being sarcastic (the use of irony to mock or convey contempt).
But, even as a life-long English reader, I missed this also on my beginning plunge into his essay.
Would it have helped if the esteemed Mr. Greenwald had used single quotes (') rather than double quotes (") on some of his terms?
I know he would feel some disappointment that his disgust was not more clearly expressed to each of his many readers.
This was hoisted from Salon, the online progressive magazine for which Greenwald writes, and this is not the first of his excoriating condemnations of both the BushCo torture policies and the Obama policy of maintaining them and refusing to prosecute or even condemn them. Most of us are old devotees of GG and know where he stands, as well as knowing irony when when we see it. While one rarely finds irony used in serious discourse in mainstream newpapers and magazines in the USA, it's alive and well in other countries including the UK.
Another sign of the depths which Dubya, Cheney, & Co. dragged the USA, enmeshing others as well. Unlike the successors of the Bush error in America, those who have to clean up from that shameful era in Lithuania know that no house is truly clean if all one does is sweep the dirt under the rug. As any cleaning professional will tell you, dirt swept under the rug always comes back to make things dirty again.
what I can say from knowing some people from europe, particularly eastern ..is that -- having gone to the usa after the "liberation" of eastern europe - when the openings to a "better economy" were the toast of the day - many of these "easterners" - whose countries were under the "bad communists" have invariably , quietly and in a hush of course, been saying, if you ask carefully...
what can be summed up in a phrase by any of them:
"what we see here in the USA is this reminds us of the communist government repressions...it's really the same, after all, just different on the surface".
Yep. Exactly my observations after moving from primitive Poland to the enlightened West. What we knew about the West - in particular the USA - wasn't just Eastern propaganda, mostly it was true. And there was more! In the US they play the national anthem before rock concerts?!? And a supposedly free country that regarded dissent as one of the core values of democracy required its citizens (including school kids) to pledge allegiance?!? My old 'totalitarian regime' never asked me to do that, certainly not on a regular basis, certainly not as a child.
And... there was political propaganda in the West - lots of it! The Westerners just didn't seem to notice so preoccupied were they with pointing out to us how oppressed and brain-washed we were...
This is a process. Greenwald is right, of course. Our government hasn't stepped up.
YET.
Things like this Lithuania issue build on each other to eventually force action here.
Keep an eye on Holder. This move to bring KSM to NYC is a crack in the dam. If the backlash doesn't swamp the WhiteHouse, if he can maintain distance from the political as he seems to be, we have a chance that the appropriate branch of Government, DoJ, will have to focus on the crimes committed by the previous misAdministration. Particularly when European countries are calling for extradition of Cheney and Rummy, when most of that gang are Pinochetted. I think Holder had an awakening last spring, looking at the pile of evidence dumped on his desk.
He will have to act or be complicite.
The growing body of hard evidence and legal judgements, probably including details from the KSM+4 trials, should, depending on how you see it, force his hand or give him cover.
CV:
The trial of KSM in New York is not a crack in the dam, it's a show trial of a person the administration has decided will be found guilty. Those like him will get "trials" in regular courts, trials in which the verdict is assuredly going to be guilty. Another category of prisoners, arbitrarily decided on the basis of the questionable likelihood of a guilty verdict, will get trials by military tribunals in Guantanamo and will get guilty verdicts there. A third category of inmates will get no trials at all and simply be incarcerated without trial for the rest of their lives.
Naturally, the intention of the 5th Ammendment to the Constitution was to ban the extraction of guilty pleas by torture and of trial by "courts" outside the regular justice system ("no person . . . shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law"). It will be interesting to see how the USA manages to bring this completely unconstitutional Stalinist garbage off without gagging.
Anyone who's forgotten Stalinist show trials should get hold of a copy of Costa Gavras' movie about one in Czechoslovakia; I forget the title ("The Confession?" "The Trial?") but he made it soon after his movie "Z." Watch it and ponder how low the USA can go and is bent on going under Obama.
Show trial? Definitely. RichM made a good post about this last week at CD and like he therein stated, what's needed is for the 9-11 investigation, inquiry to be re-opened, with thorough honesty and to be conducted thoroughly, fully; no more criminal and unconstitutional obstructions from the President, VP and CIA. But Obama, like Bush I, labels demanding for this to happen as "terrorists". Show trial in NYC, instead!
For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all; all honourable men
Satire or not if that quote from Donald is accurate he knows nothing about liberty or truth or justice.
This one belongs with "We had to destroy the village in order to save it" and "If we don't fight them there they will follow us home"
Such non sequiturs reveal the absurdity of war by combining the lie that is war in the same sentence as some all too true atrocity.
Incidentally, this was satire at it's best. All the best satire pretends to be projection.
"Satire or not if that quote from Donald is accurate he knows nothing about liberty or truth or justice."
We didn't need that Rumsfeld quote to know that "he knows nothing about liberty or truth or justice", for this was obvious ... what, eight years ago, or more, for people who knew about his years prior to 2001 anyway. Everyone else could realise he knows nothing of liberty, etcetera, from his years as of 2001 or perhaps 2000.
"Rumsfeld... quote to know that "he knows nothing about liberty or truth or justice"
–(Mike Corbeil)
Yet it cannot be counterpointed enough that these very qualities, in absentia, remain the essential qualifications for higher office and public service in America.
–(Jill Bains)
*According to Harper's Index: "Minimum number of times that Frederick Douglass was beaten in what is now Donald Rumsfeld’s vacation home: 25."
Cicero: "Freedom is participation in power."
This is one of the best articles on this subject I have read, even if the tone is arch enough to blow right by most dumbed-down Amurkans.
camus13
Is it possible to begin to help our overspending on jails and crime that any crime will no longer be sent through the Justice System for the very reason that our Look-Foward-in-Chief has stated. NO LOOKING BACKWARD.
If the rape took place before the arrest and trial it would be forgotten, if the bank was robbed yesterday forget it, if the woman who sold her little girl for sex purposes last week no backward looking to make that a crime.
Look at our Judge-Jury in Chief last week if KSM is found by some stroke of fate not guilty we will not let him go and the same goes for the Miliary Commisions guys. As for the others in jail we screwed up so bad on the evidence they just stay in jail for ever no trial if that's what you call it. Seems like he (obama) has a problem with logic.....Some we forget some we trial.
And someone said that Obama was smart....are they really kidding? Or are we just plain stupid.
Big Media vaccinated us against the Eastern Europe flu.
SARCASM IS UNAMERICAN!
Irony... well its weak and for the affluent only
Can't we all just get along?
C'mon, let's just ignore the past and maybe it will go away. Or, well, let's get the Ministry of Truth to sanitize it so that none of it ever really happened. Then the sock-puppet at the Ministry of Justice can get busy exonerating Wall Street malefactors while it arranges hangings for Guantanamo terrorists, just as soon as fair trials are duly executed.
The rule of law in America is terrible!!!
Thank you GG, you are really rockin' today. I dunno, you're a constitutional and civil rights lawyer, 44's a constitutional and civil rights lawyer. What's that about?
Desmoulins: What's that about?
One was a constitutional lawyer because his heart was set on furthering justice in America and the other's heart was set on furthering his ambition to be elected president?
Just a suggestion . . .
Meanwhile in primitive Canada there are demands for a public enquiry after Richard Colvin (a senior diplomat formerly posted in Kabul) told a house of Commons committee that Canadian prisoners who were transferred to the Afghan authorities had been tortured.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/11/21
For a good 90% or more of Americans what Glenn Greenwald is doing here would go right over their heads.–(Jill Bains)
...and that's why they are doomed, as a people, as a nation, and as an empire... finished. All that's left are the RDIF chips and the docilator collars...the White Majority will accept them as long as Master promises to keep "the niggers", "the cunts", and the anti-war protesters in their place...
If anything, it's likely the KGB could take lessons from the neo con gang on how to be more barbaric, but this is still a good article with much needed bitter sarcastic irony to fit the occasion. I would have used quotation marks for each instance of irony to make note of the fact that such references are irony, as should be the case. But the context of all this and the writer's own orientation make it clear to those who follow his writing that the writer was making extensive use of irony throughout this article.
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This is a brilliant piece by Greenwald. It was hysterically, tragically funny. I "laughed out loud".
I do not understand how anyone could fail to pick up on the sarcasm and irony in Greenwald's article. I am not a particularly perceptive reader, but I sensed the irony and the sarcasm in the first paragraph. I really did laugh out loud.
Jim Shea
Anybody unable to discern irony/sarcasm from the title of the article, "Rule-of-Law Extremism Engulfs Primitive Eastern Europe" has serious difficulty with literary cognition.
Yes,
America is filled with mentally twisted, rotten "blankety blanks".
And today, right now......
(and I get SO ANGRY about this)
Eric Holder our blankety blank Attorney General will not prosecute Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, etc.
BUT IS continuing the prosecution of an innocent man, Don Siegelman.
For anyone not familiar with the case of Don Siegelman, PLEASE get informed and, if you are decent, you too will become VERY angry about what Eric Holder is doing.
America has become a "Twilight Zone" country, in which the worst of the worst (such as Cheney and Rove) are not prosecuted and the innocent are prosecuted (if someone in power doesn't like that innocent person).
America today is becoming the Soviet Union of Stalin's era.