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Apocalypse Fatigue: Losing the Public on Climate Change
Even as the climate science becomes more definitive, polls show that public concern in the United States about global warming has been declining. What will it take to rally Americans behind the need to take strong action on cutting carbon emissions?
Last month, the Pew Research Center released its latest poll of public attitudes on global warming. On its face, the news was not good: Belief that global warming is occurring had declined from 71 percent in April of 2008 to 56 percent in October - an astonishing drop in just 18 months. The belief that global warming is human-caused declined from 47 percent to 36 percent.
While some pollsters questioned these numbers, the Pew statistics are consistent with the findings by Gallup in March that public concern about global warming had declined, that the number of Americans who believed that news about global warming was exaggerated had increased, and that the number of Americans who believed that the effects of global warming had already begun had declined.
The reasons offered for these declines are as varied as opinion about climate change itself. Skeptics say the gig is up: Americans have finally figured out that global warming is a hoax. Climate activists blame skeptics for sowing doubts about climate science. Pew's Andrew Kohut, who conducted the survey, says it's (mostly) the economy, stupid. And some folks have concluded that Americans, with our high levels of disbelief in evolution, are just too stupid or too anti-science to sort it all out.
The truth is both simpler and more complicated. It is simpler in the sense that most Americans just aren't paying a whole lot of attention. Between being asked about things like whether they would provide CPR to save the life of a pet (most pet owners say yes ) or whether they would allow their child to be given the swine flu vaccine (a third of parents say no), pollsters occasionally get around to asking Americans what they think about global warming. When they do, Americans find a variety of ways to tell us that they don't think about it very much at all.
Three years after it seemed that "An Inconvenient Truth" had changed everything, it turns out that it didn't. The current Pew survey is the latest in a series of studies suggesting that Al Gore probably had a good deal more effect upon elite opinion than public opinion.
Public opinion about global warming, it turns out, has been remarkably stable for the better part of two decades, despite the recent decline in expressed public confidence in climate science. Roughly two-thirds of Americans have consistently told pollsters that global warming is occurring. By about the same majority, most Americans agree that global warming is at least in part human-caused, with this majority roughly equally divided between those believing that warming is entirely caused by humans and those who believe it to be a combination of human and natural causes. And about the same two-thirds majority has consistently supported government action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions since 1989.
This would be good news for action to address climate change if most Americans felt very strongly about the subject. Unfortunately, they don't. Looking back over 20 years, only about 35 to 40 percent of the U.S. public worry about global warming "a great deal," and only about one-third consider it a "serious personal threat." Moreover, when asked in open-ended formats to name the most serious problems facing the country, virtually no Americans volunteer global warming. Even other environmental problems, such as air and water pollution, are often rated higher priorities by U.S. voters than global warming, which is less visible and is experienced less personally than many other problems.
What is arguably most remarkable about U.S. public opinion on global warming has been both its stability and its inelasticity in response to new developments, greater scientific understanding of the problem, and greater attention from both the media and politicians. Public opinion about global warming has remained largely unchanged through periods of intensive media attention and periods of neglect, good economic times and bad, the relatively activist Clinton years and the skeptical Bush years. And majorities of Americans have, at least in principle, consistently supported government action to do something about global warming even if they were not entirely sold that the science was settled, suggesting that public understanding and acceptance of climate science may not be a precondition for supporting action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
The more complicated questions have to do with why. Why have Americans been so consistently supportive of action to address climate change yet so weakly committed? Why has two decades of education and advocacy about climate change had so little discernible impact on public opinion? And why, at the height of media coverage and publicity about global warming in the years after the release of Gore's movie, did confidence in climate science actually appear to decline?
Political psychology can help us answer these questions. First, climate change seems tailor-made to be a low priority for most people. The threat is distant in both time and space. It is difficult to visualize. And it is difficult to identify a clearly defined enemy. Coal executives may deny that global warming exists, but at the end of the day they're just in it for a buck, not hiding in caves in Pakistan plotting new and exotic ways to kill us.
Second, the dominant climate change solutions run up against established ideologies and identities. Consider the psychological concept of "system justification." System justification theory builds upon earlier work on ego justification and group justification to suggest that many people have a psychological need to maintain a positive view of the existing social order, whatever it may be. This need manifests itself, not surprisingly, in the strong tendency to perceive existing social relations as fair, legitimate, and desirable, even in contexts in which those relations substantively disadvantage the person involved.
Many observers have suggested that Gore's leading role in the global warming debate has had much to do with the rising partisan polarization around the issue. And while this almost certainly has played a part, it is worth considering that there may be other significant psychological dynamics at play as well.
Dr. John Jost, a leading political psychologist at New York University, recently demonstrated that much of the partisan divide on global warming can be explained by system justification theory. Calls for economic sacrifice, major changes to our lifestyles, and the immorality of continuing "business as usual" - such as going on about the business of our daily lives in the face of looming ecological catastrophe - are almost tailor-made to trigger system justification among a substantial number of Americans.
Combine these two psychological phenomena - a low sense of imminent threat (what psychologists call low-threat salience) and system justification - and what you get is public opinion that is highly resistant to education or persuasion. Most Americans aren't alarmed enough to pay much attention, and efforts to raise the volume simply trigger system-justifying responses. The lesson of recent years would appear to be that apocalyptic threats - when their impacts are relatively far off in the future, difficult to imagine or visualize, and emanate from everyday activities, not an external and hostile source - are not easily acknowledged and are unlikely to become priority concerns for most people. In fact, the louder and more alarmed climate advocates become in these efforts, the more they polarize the issue, driving away a conservative or moderate for every liberal they recruit to the cause.
These same efforts to increase salience through offering increasingly dire prognosis about the fate of the planet (and humanity) have also probably undermined public confidence in climate science. Rather than galvanizing public demand for difficult and far-reaching action, apocalyptic visions of global warming disaster have led many Americans to question the science. Having been told that climate science demands that we fundamentally change our way of life, many Americans have, not surprisingly, concluded that the problem is not with their lifestyles but with what they've been told about the science. And in this they are not entirely wrong, insofar as some prominent climate advocates, in their zeal to promote action, have made representations about the state of climate science that go well beyond any established scientific consensus on the subject, hyping the most dire scenarios and most extreme recent studies, which are often at odds with the consensus of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
These factors predate but appear to have been exacerbated by recession. Pew's pollster Kohut points to evidence indicating that the recession has led many Americans to prioritize economic over environmental concerns and that this in turn has probably translated into greater skepticism about the scientific basis for environmental action. But notably, both the Pew and Gallup data show that the trend of rising skepticism about climate science and declining concern about global warming significantly predate the financial crisis. Pew found that from July 2006 to April 2008, prior to the recession, belief that global warming was occurring declined from 79 percent to 71 percent and belief that global warming was a very or somewhat serious problem declined from 79 percent to 73 percent. Gallup found that the percentage of Americans who believed that news of global warming was exaggerated rose from 30 percent in March of 2006 to 35 percent in March of 2008. So while these trends have accelerated over the last 18 months, they were clearly present in prior years.
Perhaps we should give the American public a little more credit. They may not know climate science very well, but they are not going to be muscled into accepting apocalyptic visions about our planetary future - or embracing calls to radically transform "our way of life" - just because environmentalists or climate scientists tell them they must. They typically give less credit to expert opinion than do educated elites, and those of us who tend to pay more attention to these questions would do well to remember that expert opinion and indeed, expert consensus, has tended to have a less sterling track record than most of us might like to admit.
At the same time, significant majorities of Americans are still prepared to support reasonable efforts to reduce carbon emissions even if they have their doubts about the science. They may be disinclined to tell pollsters that the science is settled, just as they are not inclined to tell them that evolution is more than a theory. But that doesn't stop them from supporting the teaching of evolution in their schools. And it will not stop them from supporting policies to reduce carbon emissions - so long as the costs are reasonable and the benefits, both economic and environmental, are well-defined.
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Show AllA good first step in removing the public's scepticism would be to remove Goldman Sachs from the trading equations. Also a audit of the nation's energy reserves outside of the oil companies' manipulations.
Seconded.
My own physical body is already undergoing it's own personal apocalypse. Apocalypse now. If you live long enough it'll happen to you, too.
It's been fun, swell, your a great audience.
Yep, lived like the Tribes used to live & we wouldn't even be having conversations about The Destruction of the Earth.
So what can I say?
Just because you became aware of that all your really doing is living upon a planet in space that your destroying doesn't mean your going to stop this thing.
Who even knows how bad it will or won't get?
If it gets so bad billions die then that solves the problems of overpopulation.
Huh? What?
Everything solves it's self some how, some die young, & some die old, some die homeless, some die without much, so die with billions, everyone dies eventually anyhow, everything resolves it's self somehow. Sometimes it is quite cruel, other times it is quite kind, who knows what anyone will experience in life, you've got yours, I've got mine.
Some people like drinking coffee latte's, some prefer straight black, some people like this, and other people like that, some people are quite skinny, and others are quite fat.
But everthing resolves it's self some how, I don't have time to look back
So let me take you down, to Strawberry Fields, where nothing is real, & nothing to get hung about, Strawberry Fields forever,
True you live in a world of commericialized crap, where some people hustle records to earn a buck, that get turned into vehicles to sell cars, and you may think, why did I even do that, I should have known it was all commericialized crap
You'll probably buy the same commerialized Christmas presents, experience some euphoria, I don't know if there is anything wrong with that, I sure could use a Nintendo Wii, it's for the kids, really, no, I can assure you it isn't for me, but then again I just might be having a laugh in this world of commericalized crap.
So let me take you down to where I am going, too, Strawberry Fields, where nothing is real, & nothing to get hung about, Strawberry Fields forever.
Knock knock, Neo
What would Noah do?
Sioux Rose
CURTIS: Good one.
Build a better boat than the first time? After all, no traces of the boat have been found and if you want people to really believe you ever constructed it, then you better make it of very long term durability. Otherwise people will just write off your mystery boat story as myth or legend.
But let's say that Noah really existed and really did make the boat described as if a disney tale in the Old Testament. If we get another huge flood, then he might call upon Moses in order to get him to part the waters so that people can pass and if Moses is in really good shape, then he could stand there for ages holding the waters apart so that people could make villages inbetween the walls of water at a good distance to each side and grow crops there, etcetera. Maybe Moses could be provided with a chair so that he could continue holding the waters apart, but at least give his legs a break now and then. He might need braces to keep his weary arms up though; until the waters sufficiently receded, anyway.
Combining two mythical stories or legends doesn't make a truer one, but since one was brought up, we may as well play storymaker(s) with a little enhancement.
Depopulation promoters, supporters would like Noah though. After all, he only took one male and one female of every species. Otoh, they might not like him after all, since if they're males, then he'd be saving only himself; and women might not like him either, unless he was celibate and looking for a female counterpart, in which case they could all try to charm him until one of them succeeded.
The "program" would surely be more greatly welcomed if Moses was invited into the picture, to "save the day".
The nature of fatigue is that, one only attends to that which is absolutely necessary. In this case it would require that people were ankle deep in sea water in areas that sea water is generally not found, before taking action. I am afraid that because of collective chronic fatigue with a multitude of contributing factors ,people choose what is of immediate importance that can be dealt with on their own . To ask people to use their tired minds and bodies to address something that they are not directly experience or being affected by[ water on the legs] is just asking to much,hence apathy. For us to sit on our computer thrones and daily re describe the worlds problems and suggest some excellent solutions [my self not included] does little to affect the rising seas and nothing to alleviate peoples exhaustion. People need to feel an immediate and direct connection to external problems before they are willing to take action. Climate change is only as scary as the last fear inducing intellectual report/study can produce. In order to keep people interested you have to create greater fear and or interest than the previous report. For those living on a tiny low level south seas island, you have daily physical motivation to address climate change. For us here in cash strapped america, we just don't give a shit.
As this article seems to indicate the main priorities for most people in the United States of America are their own comfort and status. Part of this idea is evident in how little most people know about the natural world. Most people in this country see nature as a spectacle to enjoy and/or a threat to avoid. It is like the backdrop scenery of the play in which they focus on the leading actors (humans) and the manmade props.
There are two ubiquitous examples of this disconnection.
1. Their religious devotion is part of the problem.
They think that their personal relationship with their god is a guarantee that everything will be fine. This life is merely a test of their belief whereby they see this world as a series of natural temptations and deceptions which they must resist and subjugate to win approval. Sure, it is all the handiwork of their god, but material consumption is all too often their proof of "grace".
2. This vanity is every day manifest in something as seemingly innocuous as the weather forecast. There is GOOD weather and there is BAD weather. Good weather is almost always sunny and warm. Only in extreme cases, such as drought, are negative adjectives used for sunny weather. So, to too many people, global warming probably sounds like a good thing. Bad weather is cloudy, rainy, cold, and/or snowy. Almost only when most people are in a terrible dry spell can they find something positive about clouds and rain, much less cold and snow.
Look at the huge numbers of people who dream of living in the southern warmth, even as they turn on their air-conditioners and tell you "It's not the heat, it's the humidity".
Americans won't get it until the cable is turned off,
and pantry shelves run bare as gas tanks
and politicians' words.
Top Tier: God bless freedom
middle: If I made it, anybody can
bottom: I'm hungry
When the middle joins the bottom, things will change.
Considering that non-carbon based energy technology has been suppressed by government for decades, why should we suddenly become alarmed by carbon emissions??
Oh, I forgot, we are supposed to PRETEND that disaster is about to happen - which is, coincidentally, why we serve as cannon fodder to protect freedom (pipelines) in the Middle East.
Strawberry Fields are Killing Fields!
Yeah, historically your Nation rubbed out a lot of my ancestors, as well as the ancestors of a lot of other Tribes. Whatcha gonna do? So what your Nation is doing now is what your Nation is doing now. What another people's Nation does is what their Nation does upon the earth.
Who could have ever predicted your Nation would be going into other people's lands?
most of the information delivered is with the interests of current power structures in mind, and meant to foster complicity, not education...
mass eviction and incarceration will be the alarm clock...assuming, of course, that state arrives before natural processes collapse, which could be a close race...
Exactly. So long as the ruling class is divided into deniers and do-nothings, it's small blame to ordinary people for not being more concerned.
Given direction, leadership, and a payoff, the reactions would be vastly different.
Just thought I'd extend the "Strawberry Fields" motif to the verse:
"Living is easy with eyes closed..."
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Climate change/global warming is already happening, and has been for a while. But the article is quite right to point out that for most people it's not going to matter to them until they've actually got to deal with the consequences of it in their own lives.
Right now CC/GW isn't killing people in the states, there's still enough water around to grow crops and most won't notice or care much about the changing climate. Up here in Edmonton, it's very nice weather this November, no snow and well above freezing. Why worry about it, unless you know that the farmers in the area need a thick snow pack to give the land enough moisture to grow crops. But that's not too much of a concern, there's rivers after all. Rivers that come from melting glaciers in this part of the world, glaciers that are nearly gone in some places and aren't getting big snow dumps that would allow them to grow or replace what melted last summer.
Could the ice caps and glaciers melt, yes. Will that cause the extinction of humans, no. Actually gw/cc won't kill us, we reproduce quickly enough to evolve should the climate change drastically enough.
Yeah, been a rather mild November here in the US mid-atlantic too.
Mild November, after a cold October. From what I heard, it was the coldest October on record, for southeastern Quebec, Canada, anyway.
Well, after a quick stop to look up the data at environment Canada, I can tell you that you're quite wrong. The extreme minimum average temp for at least one part of southern Quebec was -12 Celsius for the month of October, years 1933 and 1926. The average temperature for this year in October was +7.3 Celsius. Perhaps you'd like to specify the location by name where it was supposed to be the coldest October on record, I'd be happy to look up the actual data for you. (grin.)
Actually gw/cc won't kill us, we reproduce quickly enough to evolve should the climate change drastically enough.
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This is meant to be irony or sarcasm, right? If so, given the amount of idiocy on display everywhere, you should probably tag it. It's too hard to tell what's real these days without a scorecard.
I can't tell this time either, haha.
[Actually gw/cc won't kill us, we reproduce quickly enough to evolve should the climate change drastically enough.
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This is meant to be irony or sarcasm, right? If so, given the amount of idiocy on display everywhere, you should probably tag it. It's too hard to tell what's real these days without a scorecard.]
I didn't make that statement with the idea of irony or sarcasm in mind. I think it's a factual statement. If the climate changes drastically humans will be forced to adapt to the changes, we'll evolve. We've done it before during times when we've moved from one climate to another, eg moving from africa to europe during the last ice age.
Although now that I think of it there is some irony attached, think of the reaction by the fundies if their offspring has had to evolve in order to survive the effects of gw/cc.
Leaving aside the biologists' consensus that we're past the point where we can evolve, because there are too many of us for mutations to get a chance to propagate before being diluted, what's happening is going to happen much too fast for evolution to help. We're talking about 8-10 generations til curtains, and maybe not that many.
If I can weigh in on Saturnalia's "we reproduce quickly enough to evolve" comment.
Generally I support your idea but you should use the word "adapt" since "evolve" connotes a new species.
Historically we moved out of Africa about 100,000 years ago into central Asia, then East Asia and South Asia whereas it wasn't until 30,000 years ago that we moved into Europe. We all know the most obvious adaptation, to increase vitamin D supply, by losing pigmentation.
Within the last 5,000-10,000 there has been selection for the adult ability to digest the lactose in milk among those cultures that drank fresh milk in either Africa or Europe. This is just one common example of many known cases of selection.
We have a huge population with a large amount of genetic variation upon which selection will act through disease resistance and/or ability to survive on whatever crops can be produced. Pestilence and starvation are powerful agents of selection and the frequency of what is now rare variation can be expected to increase through the coming population bottleneck.
Lastly I note that "survival of the fittest" does not equate with a common misperception of killing off your neighbour but outdoing him in the production of fertile adult offspring.
[Generally I support your idea but you should use the word "adapt" since "evolve" connotes a new species.]
No, evolve is the right word. After all isn't the Flu virus evolving from year to year? It's not really a new species of flu that's coming around again, it's the same basic flu that's evolved to get past our defences.
I also think that there's proven to have been a number of exoduses from Africa over the ages, not to mention the fact that some individuals have always had a bit of a wanderlust. We are not too many to be forced to evolve/adapt to new climatic conditions.
Also interesting to take note of when discussing things like extinctions and evolution is the notion that has come out of recent studies about the ole dinosaurs. Did you know that some paleontologists are arguing that the dinosaurs never really did go extinct, some of them did disappear, but others have evolved into dinner for us mammals; we call them chicken or turkey these days rather than raptors and whatnot. One explanation given for the demise of the larger dinos is that they took too long to reproduce, I'm not sure what evidence they have for that, but it's an interesting notion.
"Lastly I note that "survival of the fittest" does not equate with a common misperception of killing off your neighbour but outdoing him in the production of fertile adult offspring."
Why not both?
One can't accept Darwinism, thus debunking both teleology and the teachings of the major religions, and then expect to retain "Sermon on the Mount" values or Buddhistic compassion. Those things don't go together. There is a reason why Charles Darwin referred to Herbert Spencer as "our greatest philosopher" (Descent of Man).
after the wrinkles are steamed and pressed out of sarcasm, it becomes irony...
"Actually gw/cc won't kill us, we reproduce quickly enough to evolve should the climate change drastically enough."
I'll second the notion that that is a dangerous attitude to spread. It assumes the consequences of GW are known, yet from the very start of the debate it's been emphasized that what we don't know could very well kill us. While the latest evidence suggests methane clast burps aren't likely in the next 100 years, and methane releases by melting permafrost should likewise behave themselves, I wouldn't assume they are 'off the table'. Two years ago polar ice shelf melting was likewise felt not to be a factor in this century. Ooops.
This is a global experiment, the consequences of which are only slowly being understood, which needn't have been understaken at all, except to satisfy Exxon/Mobil. It's amazing to me that we could court the destruction of humanity to make an energy buck. Say its unlikely. Its still the destruction of humanity.
Certainly the effects of gw/cc will at least have the ability to wipe out a good chunk of human life, but I doubt it would get all of us. Unless the planet becomes hostile to all life, I don't see humans going extinct anytime soon. The obvious exception is if the idiots who've got their fingers on the nuke buttons, or who could release new bioweapons decide to get rid of us...
No, some of us would survive even the worst effects of gw/cc. The fact that they might not want to is another question.
The biggest problem is that those who will get killed by global warming/ocean acidification either live in far off lands or are several generations in the future. USAns are trained from day one not to give a flying fuck about human suffering right in their own neighborhood (it's socialism).
So, how the hell can we expect then to care about the consequences of their actions on distant brown people or people born 100 years hence.
Here is my explanation for Americans lack of support for climate change abatement measures: It has to do with the identification Americans feel with those who disagree with climate change--the Sarah Palins of the world--and the lack of identification they feel with proponents of change--the Al Gores. Americans, like most of the people of the world, do not connect with intellectuals. From Adlai Stevenson and before, they never have. On the other hand, there has always been an affection for and identification with the salt-of the-earth folks that worked hard, made a pile, and never got much education. It isn't what policies are advocated by role-models of the masses but whether or not they talk the talk and walk the walk of just plain folks. If Sarah Palin said the Wall Street bankers needed to have their clocks cleaned, her followers, even if they held pro-bail-out ideas, would stand up and cheer their hero. Drawing its population mainly from the uneducated poor of other lands, America is distrustful of the educated elite that prescribe solutions to their problems. I guess my analysis is like the authors', but I wouldn't venture into the sociological theory of "system justification." The whole thing is just a matter of class prejudice.
Joe Bageant has an essay on this, currently. He points out that too many on the lib/left are smug, shallow, classist putzes who are convinced they know what's best for everyone and don't hesitate to say so, while calling anyone who doesn't immediately acknowledge their mental and moral superiority 'sheeple'.
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There are a million ways to be smug and the American left holds the copyright on three quarters of them. Down inside most lefties feel superior to the majority of Americans for the simple reason that they are indeed superior. Morally superior (at least in the justice sense), intellectually and politically superior too, if you exclude every member of the Democratic Party. However, the American left is void of compassion, the thing that is at the very heart of the true left the world round. And by true left I mean the people dying for the cause in places we never heard of and never will.
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Mairead, if you value intellect and reason, then you have to conclude ultimately that some arguments are better than others, that some analyses are better than others, that some conclusions are better than others. If not, then why bother with reason at all? I'm not smug or arrogant, but I believe with great certainty that my understandings of world issues are correct, in particular, regarding global climate change. Until I become aware of newer, better evidence I am strongly inclined to maintain my current perspective, based on available evidence.
There is nothing wrong with weighing the evidence and rendering an opinion. Nor is there anything wrong with emphatically criticizing those who fail to weigh the evidence either cynically or stupidly (for self-gain or "system justification"). You bet your ass I will be dismissive of mental laziness and complacency, especially where the risks are so great!
The world is on fire, Mairead, whether large numbers of dithering, adle-brained Americans get it or not. What's required and what it seems very unlikely we will get, is real leadership. We need leaders courageous enough to get ahead, far ahead of muddle-headed public opinion and DO SOMETHING about this! And we shouldn't hesitate to support that kind of leadership if it arises, because we are worried about looking arrogant.
Anyway, where do you get off accusing the Left of being the champions of arrogance after 8 years of Cheney/Bush? We're arrogant? How many wars did we start on false pretenses? How many civilians did we slaughter? How many times did the most powerful official in the Dem party tell a senior Republican senator "go "f**k yourself!". How many times did we refer to world opinion as "focus groups"? How many times did we say "So what?" to the entire world's dissatisfaction with our actions?
Please, please, for the sake of slow folk like me, *tag* your sarcasm/irony! There are too many these days who'd write something like that in horrible, deathly seriousness.
This is the second post where you've claimed the poster should tag 'sarcasm/irony', in both posts neither sarcasm nor irony was obvious. What are you trying to do? Is it possible that it's your posts that should be treated as 'sarcastic irony'???
No, I'm simply trying to put the best possible interpretation on what I read. Presuming the worst has never appealed to me.
that's cute and snarky Mairead, if utterly off-the-wall. Perhaps your phrase "slow folk like me", intended, no doubt, as "sarcasm/irony" is actually a bit more apt than you meant it to be...
Okay, so you wrote that in horrible, deathly seriousness. My mistake.
Here's the gist of the article, as I understand it:
We can successfully persuade the public to act as long as we only ask them to do things that don't make much of a difference.
I feel much better knowing this.
Part of the problem is that people, while skeptical of climate change, accept whole-cloth the denier claims that climate change mitigation will destroy the economy.
How does planting more trees, or not cutting down rainforests, destroy the economy? How does putting up solar thermal energy systems, or wind, both of which are more cost-effective almost that low-cost coal, destroy the economy?
While the left has slowly built up an undeniable mountain of evidence for climate change and its effects, the right has continued pulling unsubstantiated economic-armageddon claims out of its arse and calling it holy water. And this swill is swallowed by ordinary folks cuz the right 'is business-savvy'.
Business-savvy? Is this the same business-savvy right that was urging us all to invest our life savings in housing and derivatives a few years ago?
I'll add to your perception: the deniers are offering a clear course of action and payoff (do nothing, everything will be fine); we're just running around waving our arms and yelling 'Stercus stercus stercus! Morituri sumus!!'
That they're wrong and we're right will only become evident once it's too late to matter, unless we quickly take a leaf from their books and offer a competing clear course of action and desirable payoff.
Think of the labor that requires. If this were part of the department of defense, no problem. But its not. People can volunteer their services to redesign the world's energy infrastructure only up to a point, then the government has to get involved with some $$$.
Consider that in Hawaii, for over 20 years, the only wave-power research installation has been funded by the military. If Hawaii can't fund wave-power research on its own, the home of the biggest rideable waves in the world, then there is no hope.
The right likes to point to nuclear as a solution to global warming. Research in nuclear power has cost America over a trillion dollars over the years. The right gets whatever research money it wants, the left has to beg.
What would happen if we went the other way? What if our agenda was for a world in which nobody had to have "a steady job" in order to have a house/flat, food, clothing, edu, etc.? How many of our jobs are really necessary, would you guess?
It'd be the 60's, all over again (the right fears). Summers of love, pot, communes, war-protestors, LSD, interracial sex, unprotected sex, sex, sex, sex.
The rights behavior since the 60's is 100% an effort to prevent THAT from ever happening again. They prefer the 'character-building 30's', with its Horatio Alger stories of plucky optimism winning out over harsh conditions, all leading inevitably to WWII, with its stories of plucky optimism winning out over harsh war conditions, etc, etc. Basically, you're in a horse race cuz they want you there.
I was being sarcastic. The 60's were known for excess on the left, after all. But by the 70's, the real fruit was acceptance of civil rights, gender equality, and environmentalism. Then the cost of the Vietnam War finally kicked in (inflation) and we all goose-stepped right again. $10 trillion in debt later...
If we funded priorities of the left as we do those of the right, I think we'd massively increase our foreign aid, to development projects that would (long term) greatly cut local support for terror groups like Al-Qaida. I don't view the rest of the world as our enemy, or competitor, as some post here do, but as potential customers: their development is our development. Of course, we'd create a renewable, responsible, energy infrastructure: solar, wind, wave, geothermal, nuclear, and still some fossil (nat'l gas, mostly). A lot more environmental activism (its overdue): ocean conservation, forest conservation, arctic conservation. These would be top priorities, and GW mitigation would be high among them. I don't want to live a luddite lifestyle, so that aspect of leftward thinking wouldn't get much purchase. But emphasis on sustainability would be key. Defense spending would, I hope, get slashed to half what it currently is.
Basically, this countries priorities were quite left-focussed between 1930 and 1980: lots of social programs and the money to pay for them (progressive taxation). Then, in 1980, it all changed back to how it was before 1930, and with the same inevitable result: wholesale bankruptcy of the little people, massive money and power grab by the wealthy, and another Great Depression.
America between 1930 and 1980 created the greatest nation on earth, with the best products, the best unions, the finest military, rocketships to the moon, etc, etc. And all because she took a massive turn leftward during the Great Depression. Of course, it also led to the 60's counterculture, but a few hippies do not a 'Greatest Generation' make...
People think that high energy costs and the carbon tax will hurt the economy - by which most people mean, as another poster noted, their own personal financial health. It is my observation that many people on the American left seem to admire a lower-consumption, essentially European lifestyle. They think that the European way of life is cool. Most of the rest of us, I think it fair to say, recoil from this view. I have spent a fair amount of time in Europe, and I find it cold, cramped, and very expensive. Only the relatively well-off can afford anything even approaching what most Americans would consider to be a middling level of consumption. I do not want to live in a 100 square meter apartment, attend a public clinic when I'm sick, or ride the train to work.
I do not want to live in a 100 square meter apartment, attend a public clinic when I'm sick, or ride the train to work.
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Are you willing to sacrifice the future for your convenience today?
I am not convinced that those are the choices. I am not willing to hurt myself, a lot, soon, because of something that might happen fifty or a hundred years from now, maybe, to strangers. Further, and more importantly, it is not strictly a matter of "convenience." Wealth, power and sovereignty seem to me to tend to go together. I am not willing to pursue policies that will hurt my own country and culture in order to aid strangers or enemies - *especially* if we are entering a period of global scarcity and increased competition. As a good Darwinian, I am also a good Hobbesian. Survival of the fittest (and who are the fittest? Why, those who survive, of course).
Darwin wasn't Hobbesian.
Survival of the fittest, as Darwin knew, applied to communities, not individuals.
'divided they fall' must be your motto.
Well, I have to admire the honesty of your expression, even if not the position you express.
Just out of curiosity, since you talk in terms of 'enemies' and 'strangers', would you be willing to be sacrificed for your beliefs?
I'm thinking of the case where we on the 'play it safe' side can't get into power til it's too late to solve the problem bloodlessly. If we found we had to reduce the population by force, would you be willing to be culled so that others could live in the sort of rationed world you and your ilk had made necessary, but that you are unwilling to live in yourself? Or would you expect to be treated as though you had been innocent?