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What Have We Done to Democracy?
Of Nearsighted Progress, Feral Howls, Consensus, Chaos, and a New Cold War in Kashmir
While we're still arguing about whether there's life after death, can we add another question to the cart? Is there life after democracy? What sort of life will it be? By "democracy" I don't mean democracy as an ideal or an aspiration. I mean the working model: Western liberal democracy, and its variants, such as they are.
So, is there life after democracy?
Attempts to answer this question often turn into a comparison of different systems of governance, and end with a somewhat prickly, combative defense of democracy. It's flawed, we say. It isn't perfect, but it's better than everything else that's on offer. Inevitably, someone in the room will say: "Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia... is that what you would prefer?"
Whether democracy should be the utopia that all "developing" societies aspire to is a separate question altogether. (I think it should. The early, idealistic phase can be quite heady.) The question about life after democracy is addressed to those of us who already live in democracies, or in countries that pretend to be democracies. It isn't meant to suggest that we lapse into older, discredited models of totalitarian or authoritarian governance. It's meant to suggest that the system of representative democracy -- too much representation, too little democracy -- needs some structural adjustment.
The question here, really, is what have we done to democracy? What have we turned it into? What happens once democracy has been used up? When it has been hollowed out and emptied of meaning? What happens when each of its institutions has metastasized into something dangerous? What happens now that democracy and the free market have fused into a single predatory organism with a thin, constricted imagination that revolves almost entirely around the idea of maximizing profit?
Is it possible to reverse this process? Can something that has mutated go back to being what it used to be? What we need today, for the sake of the survival of this planet, is long-term vision. Can governments whose very survival depends on immediate, extractive, short-term gain provide this? Could it be that democracy, the sacred answer to our short-term hopes and prayers, the protector of our individual freedoms and nurturer of our avaricious dreams, will turn out to be the endgame for the human race? Could it be that democracy is such a hit with modern humans precisely because it mirrors our greatest folly -- our nearsightedness?
Our inability to live entirely in the present (like most animals do), combined with our inability to see very far into the future, makes us strange in-between creatures, neither beast nor prophet. Our amazing intelligence seems to have outstripped our instinct for survival. We plunder the earth hoping that accumulating material surplus will make up for the profound, unfathomable thing that we have lost. It would be conceit to pretend I have the answers to any of these questions. But it does look as if the beacon could be failing and democracy can perhaps no longer be relied upon to deliver the justice and stability we once dreamed it would.
A Clerk of Resistance
As a writer, a fiction writer, I have often wondered whether the attempt to always be precise, to try and get it all factually right somehow reduces the epic scale of what is really going on. Does it eventually mask a larger truth? I worry that I am allowing myself to be railroaded into offering prosaic, factual precision when maybe what we need is a feral howl, or the transformative power and real precision of poetry.
Something
about the cunning, Brahmanical, intricate, bureaucratic, file-bound,
"apply-through-proper-channels" nature of governance and subjugation in
India seems to have made a clerk out of me. My only excuse is to say
that it takes odd tools to uncover the maze of subterfuge and hypocrisy
that cloaks the callousness and the cold, calculated violence of the
world's favorite new superpower. Repression "through proper channels"
sometimes engenders resistance "through proper channels." As resistance
goes this isn't enough, I know. But for now, it's all I have. Perhaps
someday it will become the underpinning for poetry and for the feral
howl.
Today, words like "progress" and "development" have become interchangeable with economic "reforms," "deregulation," and "privatization." Freedom has come to mean choice. It has less to do with the human spirit than with different brands of deodorant. Market no longer means a place where you buy provisions. The "market" is a de-territorialized space where faceless corporations do business, including buying and selling "futures." Justice has come to mean human rights (and of those, as they say, "a few will do").
This theft of language, this technique of usurping words and deploying them like weapons, of using them to mask intent and to mean exactly the opposite of what they have traditionally meant, has been one of the most brilliant strategic victories of the tsars of the new dispensation. It has allowed them to marginalize their detractors, deprive them of a language to voice their critique and dismiss them as being "anti-progress," "anti-development," "anti-reform," and of course "anti-national" -- negativists of the worst sort.
Talk about saving a river or protecting a forest and they say, "Don't you believe in progress?" To people whose land is being submerged by dam reservoirs, and whose homes are being bulldozed, they say, "Do you have an alternative development model?" To those who believe that a government is duty bound to provide people with basic education, health care, and social security, they say, "You're against the market." And who except a cretin could be against markets?
To reclaim these stolen words requires explanations that are too tedious for a world with a short attention span, and too expensive in an era when Free Speech has become unaffordable for the poor. This language heist may prove to be the keystone of our undoing.
Two decades of "Progress" in India has created a vast middle class punch-drunk on sudden wealth and the sudden respect that comes with it -- and a much, much vaster, desperate underclass. Tens of millions of people have been dispossessed and displaced from their land by floods, droughts, and desertification caused by indiscriminate environmental engineering and massive infrastructural projects, dams, mines, and Special Economic Zones. All developed in the name of the poor, but really meant to service the rising demands of the new aristocracy.
The hoary institutions of Indian democracy -- the judiciary, the police, the "free" press, and, of course, elections -- far from working as a system of checks and balances, quite often do the opposite. They provide each other cover to promote the larger interests of Union and Progress. In the process, they generate such confusion, such a cacophony, that voices raised in warning just become part of the noise. And that only helps to enhance the image of the tolerant, lumbering, colorful, somewhat chaotic democracy. The chaos is real. But so is the consensus.
A New Cold War in Kashmir
Speaking of consensus, there's the small and ever-present matter of Kashmir. When it comes to Kashmir the consensus in India is hard core. It cuts across every section of the establishment -- including the media, the bureaucracy, the intelligentsia, and even Bollywood.
The war in the Kashmir valley is almost 20 years old now, and has claimed about 70,000 lives. Tens of thousands have been tortured, several thousand have "disappeared," women have been raped, tens of thousands widowed. Half a million Indian troops patrol the Kashmir valley, making it the most militarized zone in the world. (The United States had about 165,000 active-duty troops in Iraq at the height of its occupation.) The Indian Army now claims that it has, for the most part, crushed militancy in Kashmir. Perhaps that's true. But does military domination mean victory?
How does a government that claims to be a democracy justify a military occupation? By holding regular elections, of course. Elections in Kashmir have had a long and fascinating past. The blatantly rigged state election of 1987 was the immediate provocation for the armed uprising that began in 1990. Since then elections have become a finely honed instrument of the military occupation, a sinister playground for India's deep state. Intelligence agencies have created political parties and decoy politicians, they have constructed and destroyed political careers at will. It is they more than anyone else who decide what the outcome of each election will be. After every election, the Indian establishment declares that India has won a popular mandate from the people of Kashmir.
In the summer of 2008, a dispute over land being allotted to the Amarnath Shrine Board coalesced into a massive, nonviolent uprising. Day after day, hundreds of thousands of people defied soldiers and policemen -- who fired straight into the crowds, killing scores of people -- and thronged the streets. From early morning to late in the night, the city reverberated to chants of "Azadi! Azadi!" (Freedom! Freedom!). Fruit sellers weighed fruit chanting "Azadi! Azadi!" Shopkeepers, doctors, houseboat owners, guides, weavers, carpet sellers -- everybody was out with placards, everybody shouted "Azadi! Azadi!" The protests went on for several days.
The protests were massive. They were democratic, and they were nonviolent. For the first time in decades fissures appeared in mainstream public opinion in India. The Indian state panicked. Unsure of how to deal with this mass civil disobedience, it ordered a crackdown. It enforced the harshest curfew in recent memory with shoot-on-sight orders. In effect, for days on end, it virtually caged millions of people. The major pro-freedom leaders were placed under house arrest, several others were jailed. House-to-house searches culminated in the arrests of hundreds of people.
Once the rebellion was brought under control, the government did something extraordinary -- it announced elections in the state. Pro-independence leaders called for a boycott. They were rearrested. Almost everybody believed the elections would become a huge embarrassment for the Indian government. The security establishment was convulsed with paranoia. Its elaborate network of spies, renegades, and embedded journalists began to buzz with renewed energy. No chances were taken. (Even I, who had nothing to do with any of what was going on, was put under house arrest in Srinagar for two days.)
Calling for elections was a huge risk. But the gamble paid off. People turned out to vote in droves. It was the biggest voter turnout since the armed struggle began. It helped that the polls were scheduled so that the first districts to vote were the most militarized districts even within the Kashmir valley.
None of India's analysts, journalists, and psephologists cared to ask why people who had only weeks ago risked everything, including bullets and shoot-on-sight orders, should have suddenly changed their minds. None of the high-profile scholars of the great festival of democracy -- who practically live in TV studios when there are elections in mainland India, picking apart every forecast and exit poll and every minor percentile swing in the vote count -- talked about what elections mean in the presence of such a massive, year-round troop deployment (an armed soldier for every 20 civilians).
No one speculated about the mystery of hundreds of unknown candidates who materialized out of nowhere to represent political parties that had no previous presence in the Kashmir valley. Where had they come from? Who was financing them? No one was curious. No one spoke about the curfew, the mass arrests, the lockdown of constituencies that were going to the polls.
Not many talked about the fact that campaigning politicians went out of their way to de-link Azadi and the Kashmir dispute from elections, which they insisted were only about municipal issues -- roads, water, electricity. No one talked about why people who have lived under a military occupation for decades -- where soldiers could barge into homes and whisk away people at any time of the day or night -- might need someone to listen to them, to take up their cases, to represent them.
The minute elections were over, the establishment and the mainstream press declared victory (for India) once again. The most worrying fallout was that in Kashmir, people began to parrot their colonizers' view of themselves as a somewhat pathetic people who deserved what they got. "Never trust a Kashmiri," several Kashmiris said to me. "We're fickle and unreliable." Psychological warfare, technically known as psy-ops, has been an instrument of official policy in Kashmir. Its depredations over decades -- its attempt to destroy people's self-esteem -- are arguably the worst aspect of the occupation. It's enough to make you wonder whether there is any connection at all between elections and democracy.
The trouble is that Kashmir sits on the fault lines of a region that is awash in weapons and sliding into chaos. The Kashmiri freedom struggle, with its crystal clear sentiment but fuzzy outlines, is caught in the vortex of several dangerous and conflicting ideologies -- Indian nationalism (corporate as well as "Hindu," shading into imperialism), Pakistani nationalism (breaking down under the burden of its own contradictions), U.S. imperialism (made impatient by a tanking economy), and a resurgent medieval-Islamist Taliban (fast gaining legitimacy, despite its insane brutality, because it is seen to be resisting an occupation). Each of these ideologies is capable of a ruthlessness that can range from genocide to nuclear war. Add Chinese imperial ambitions, an aggressive, reincarnated Russia, and the huge reserves of natural gas in the Caspian region and persistent whispers about natural gas, oil, and uranium reserves in Kashmir and Ladakh, and you have the recipe for a new Cold War (which, like the last one, is cold for some and hot for others).
In the midst of all this, Kashmir is set to become the conduit through which the mayhem unfolding in Afghanistan and Pakistan spills into India, where it will find purchase in the anger of the young among India's 150 million Muslims who have been brutalized, humiliated, and marginalized. Notice has been given by the series of terrorist strikes that culminated in the Mumbai attacks of 2008.
There is no doubt that the Kashmir dispute ranks right up there, along with Palestine, as one of the oldest, most intractable disputes in the world. That does not mean that it cannot be resolved. Only that the solution will not be completely to the satisfaction of any one party, one country, or one ideology. Negotiators will have to be prepared to deviate from the "party line."
Of course, we haven't yet reached the stage where the government of India is even prepared to admit that there's a problem, let alone negotiate a solution. Right now it has no reason to. Internationally, its stocks are soaring. And while its neighbors deal with bloodshed, civil war, concentration camps, refugees, and army mutinies, India has just concluded a beautiful election. However, "demon-crazy" can't fool all the people all the time. India's temporary, shotgun solutions to the unrest in Kashmir (pardon the pun), have magnified the problem and driven it deep into a place where it is poisoning the aquifers.
Is Democracy Melting?
Perhaps the story of the Siachen Glacier, the highest battlefield in the world, is the most appropriate metaphor for the insanity of our times. Thousands of Indian and Pakistani soldiers have been deployed there, enduring chill winds and temperatures that dip to minus 40 degrees Celsius. Of the hundreds who have died there, many have died just from the elements.
The glacier has become a garbage dump now, littered with the detritus of war -- thousands of empty artillery shells, empty fuel drums, ice axes, old boots, tents, and every other kind of waste that thousands of warring human beings generate. The garbage remains intact, perfectly preserved at those icy temperatures, a pristine monument to human folly.
While the Indian and Pakistani governments spend billions of dollars on weapons and the logistics of high-altitude warfare, the battlefield has begun to melt. Right now, it has shrunk to about half its size. The melting has less to do with the military standoff than with people far away, on the other side of the world, living the good life. They're good people who believe in peace, free speech, and in human rights. They live in thriving democracies whose governments sit on the U.N. Security Council and whose economies depend heavily on the export of war and the sale of weapons to countries like India and Pakistan. (And Rwanda, Sudan, Somalia, the Republic of Congo, Iraq, Afghanistan... it's a long list.)
The glacial melt will cause severe floods on the subcontinent, and eventually severe drought that will affect the lives of millions of people. That will give us even more reasons to fight. We'll need more weapons. Who knows? That sort of consumer confidence may be just what the world needs to get over the current recession. Then everyone in the thriving democracies will have an even better life -- and the glaciers will melt even faster.
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Show AllWhen an essay aimed at pointing out the ills of democracy, short term gain, and market economy becomes a vehicle for selling the author's latest book, one could also wonder what have we done to the left.
Excellent article--She says,"The question here, really, is what have we done to democracy? What have we turned it into? What happens once democracy has been used up? When it has been hollowed out and emptied of meaning? What happens when each of its institutions has metastasized into something dangerous? What happens now that democracy and the free market have fused into a single predatory organism with a thin, constricted imagination that revolves almost entirely around the idea of maximizing profit?"
ANSWER: You get military and military weapons use on the citizens of that so-called democracy, like we saw in Pa, USA last week. Now let's see what is in store for us in the capital SIX DAYS AND COUNTING--Please people at home don't let our nation down participate in the NATIONAL STRIKE THIS COMING WEEK! PREPARE TO RESIST!
All systems tend towards degeneration; we cannot repair democracy as we will not be able to repair the glacier. We cannot escape entropy.
There are moments in history, however, where the process is "slowed down" and we see the regeneration of an entire civilization; the ascension of the Abbasid dynasty in the 8th century, which inaugerated the Golden Age of Islam, is a good example of this.
If we decide that democracy is our best means of governance (a question rarely asked) then it must be re-invented and made anew - Like cleaning a house with a hurricane.
"It's meant to suggest that the system of representative democracy -- too much representation, too little democracy -- needs some structural adjustment."
No the problem with representative democracy is NOT too much representation. The problem with representative democracy is too LITTLE representation.
The problem with representative democracy is various electoral systems, various electoral tricks that are used to limit "arrant democracy".
A prime example is the first past the post electoral system. When a party that wins a minority of the vote, such as in India and the UK, can end up with a comfortable majority in the legislature, that is not too much representation. That is too little representation. A government that only a minority of voters voted for is NOT representative.
Another example is the electoral college system used to elect the US president. Why is it even necessary at all?
". Can governments whose very survival depends on immediate, extractive, short-term gain provide this? Could it be that democracy, the sacred answer to our short-term hopes and prayers, the protector of our individual freedoms and nurturer of our avaricious dreams, will turn out to be the endgame for the human race? "
The problem with Roy's analysis here is that all too often governments do NOT respond to the (short term) will of populace. Since the electoral systems that elect those governments have been manipulated such that the will of the populace is subverted.
"They live in thriving democracies whose governments sit on the U.N. Security Council"
There are 5 countries that are permanently on the UN Security Council with veto powers. That's it. They dictate the policies of the UN Security Council. Roy knows this. Again the problem is that the UN Security Council is NOT representative. In the least.
I think By "too much representation" Ms. Roy meant exactly many of the things you were pointing out. More specifically, "representation" under rigid rules, is replacing more direct forms of democracy - and indeed, this opressive, rigid syatem of "represention" comes to be called democracy itself, with no, more imaginative way allowed, under penalty of police and military repression. We learned that here in Pittsburgh these past few days.
In Honduras, a manifestly democratic popular referendum is declared "undemoratic" because it purportedly violated a document that requires that the wishes of the people be constrained under a syatem of representatives (President, legislative members) in a certain, very restrictive way.
"I think By "too much representation" Ms. Roy meant exactly many of the things you were pointing out. More specifically, "representation" under rigid rules, is replacing more direct forms of democracy - and indeed, this opressive, rigid syatem of "represention" comes to be called democracy itself, with no, more imaginative way allowed, under penalty of police and military repression. We learned that here in Pittsburgh these past few days."
If this is what Roy means, then she isn't saying the same thing as me. My point is that what she calls representative democracy is not representative. Not because of the rules are rigid, but because those rules have been deliberately written to make the systems less representative, those rules have been deliberately written to get around the concept of one person one vote.
If you want real democracy in your country, get your country's government to limit how much your country's political campaigns spend in their election races (preferably ban that campaign spending altogether) so your country has high-quality politicians instead of low-quality ones that are mass-marketed into office by political machines. They ban campaign spending in Cuba and China, and one day they might do it everywhere.
blip - At this particular disastrous juncture, your below statement is glib and unhelpful, as so many statements beginning with "You should make your government or this or that official do this or that: "If you want real democracy in your country, GET your country's government to limit how much your country's political campaigns spend in their election races (preferably ban that campaign spending altogether) so your country has high-quality politicians instead of low-quality ones that are mass-marketed into office by political machines."
We have lost our government to a Corporate Fascism that rules our lives, and the grip of Corporate Fascism backed up by GOON SQUADS in riot gear is getting tighter rather than looser. Unfortunately, most of the politicians allegedly representing us are fully part of it.
Regarding the current issue of health care, fully 75 per cent of adult U.S. citizens want Single Payer/Universal Health Care. Representatives for this view consisting of doctors, nurses and hospital personnel were not even allowed at the table for the initial discussions and certainly not now. When they tried to speak up from the citizen audience, they were ejected from the room and some were arrested. They continue to be by-passed because the FIX IS IN by big-money Pharmaceutical Corporations and Health Insurance Corporations and, of course, the WALL STREET mega-controllers. And those who represent us in Congress, in the vast majority, are perfectly content to have it this way to keep their lucrative jobs, future pensions, total health care, and their status positions in the government.
What democracy? It's over. And when the Roberts' Court comes through with its expected ruling by a majority of 5 votes at the end of December, 2009, or beginning of the year 2010 [an election year], giving Corporations the right of FREE SPEECH and EXPRESSION as persons and permanently rips the lid off the amount of money permitted for Corporations to spend in their "Independent Campaigns" to make or break candidates, then truly the exclamation points have been added to KISS THE ASS OF OUR DEMOCRACY GOODBYE!!!!
Arundhati Roy's analysis of India's "Democracy," as always are right on point. To the person who objected to the promo photo for her new book, I would suggest that you buy it. The political writings of this courageous woman are clear, direct, factual, and absolutely right on, and you always learn something new, but also it is important to support her brave and singular voice.
In what I've said here, does that mean that I think it's more realistic for all of us to curl up and forgeddabout it and survive as best we can? Absolutely not. I believe that a whole new tack/direction must be taken by The People themselves. And all over this country there are people initiating and carrying out projects, new businesses and organizing such things as TRANSITION TOWNS, a whole new movement to take a look at. I've got my own idea that's been steaming and bubbling for about four years now. Timing is everything, and the TIME is ripening fast now because the pain for the ordinary U.S. citizen is increasing and that's a cold-water-in-the-face wake-up call.
Violence and direct confrontation will get us nowhere, but injured, imprisoned or dead. Time to think outside of the box, looking for and creating actions more like water relentlessly swirling around the rocks in a river and gradually wearing them down and breaking them up into pebbles.
peace, cm
"What happens now that democracy and the free market have fused into a single predatory organism with a thin, constricted imagination that revolves almost entirely around the idea of maximizing profit?"
Unfortunately, Ms Roy, with all due respect for your fine sentiments, you have fallen precisely into the semantic trap that has been a major contributor to the very problems you describe. The fusion of a corporate capitalist economic system with any nation's political and governance systems isn't democracy of any kind. It's not a "working model" of democracy and it's certainly not "ideal" democracy. It's fascism.
Obviouly, the promotion of fascism under a false title has been very successful in many cases -- certainly more successful than some previous attempts at purely militaristic imposition. But successful promotional propaganda and wisespread acceptance of the false mythology doesn't alter its realities. Failure to clearly recognize that falsehood, on the other hand, does make it almost impossible to mount any effective popular resistance and remedy with clearly defined goals. And this article's contribution to that semantic confusion certainly doesn't improve the chances for doing so.
The first step in addressing any issue has to be calling the problem what it really is.
Good point RV. "Democracy" in the USA is only an expensive PR stunt, what we really have is indeed a form of neo-fascism - where private corporate interests determine public policy, including foreign policy (not the voters); where false threats are whipped up and (racist)imperialist agression and nationalist ideology and propaganda are repeated in the corporate media propaganda echo-chamber. Although an over-used cliche, the Orwellian Doublespeak is thick as pea soup. Fascism is Democracy, War is Peace, economic depression is a jobless recovery, exploitation and injustice is freedom...
Yup. The problem isn't one of "fixing" some kind of procedural deviance in the application of democratic ideals to the governance system. Nor is it a question of "fixing" the capitalist economic system for that matter.
The corporate-governance merger creates a completely different system with its own problems that are much more fundamental than either taken alone and neither half of which can be addressed in isolation from the other. It's impossible to restore sanity to only one part of the combined maniacal conglomerate as all the other parts will resist mightily by every means at their disposal.
Indeed, indeed; yet from the perspective of PJ Proudhon, State democracy, under the control of a capital based economy, will eventually and always lead to absolutist or authoritarian forms of governance, that is, depending on who the wealthy are willing to back with their money; they could even be convinced to back a religious coup if the necessary inducements were agreeable(Iranian revolution). Both Marxism and free market, Adam Smith capitalism, depend on economics of scale and the accumulation of large capital endowments to be passed into the hands of the few. Regardless of whether they are government or corporate run businesses, neither will be accountable to the majority, and especially to the feckless politician who gives our consent away, in exchange for a small pocket of coin. It may not be democracy that is failing per se, but the role the State plays in concentrating uncontrolled and uncontrollable economic power into the hands of those who crave it and use it as a means to an end and at the expense of everyone else.
Precisely so. The fundamental underpinnings of democratic goverenance and capitalist economics may not be entirely incompatible in theory. In practice, however, it is absolutely essential to recognise and manage very carefully the many areas of direct conflict between them if either or both are to be retained and to provide the intended benefits of each. In any societal construct, only one of them can be the overall master and superior driving force and there will always be a struggle for supremacy in that context.
At the very least, in order to achieve any compatible functionality whatever, inappropriate conflation of and erroneous confusion between the two disparate systems must be avoided at all costs.
Re RV September 28th, 2009 3:03 pm
That conflation of which you speak is knowing and deliberate, so that most of our fellow citizens can only understand "democracy" as abundance of choice among competing brands of consumer goods. Actual democracy, with its attendant responsibilities, would paralyze them in their tracks with fear.
You are missing Ms. Roy's point. The very institution called "democracy" has evolved into exactly the capitalist market dominated syatem she describes. You can wish for a return to theoretical "democracy" that may or may not have existed in the past, but in general, going backward doesn't work. What is needed is an evolutionary (and likely revolutionary) new way forward, for a society where all have a say in both the social and economic conditions in which they live and work and it may require that we cast the tired word "democracy" away.
No, I'm not missing her point. I'm questioning its semantic validity -- and yours.
If what you call "going backward" to "theoretical democracy" isn't an answer, what is to be the goal and the outcome of that "evolutionary (and likely revolutionary)" change that you propose?
You seem to be, to use the well known Arundhati Roy-ism, "lacking in imagination".
For example, many think that one nimumum prerequisite for "democracy" is elections. But I have always believed that genuine democracy can never be obtained through elections at all. On the local scale, it would be direct community councils. in the economic sphere, it would be workers councils. On the larger national scale, the deeply flawed concept of elections would be replaced by citezen's national congresses empaneled by persons drawn from the population by random lottery. Only this way does does "representative" have any meaning.
Fair enough, but what you are describing isn't inconsistent with recognition of the distinctions between democracy on the one hand and corporatism/facism on the other. In fact, it's quite easily encompassed by a "backward" move to the underlying principles of true democracy. You'd just like to eliminate some (or possibly all) of the intervening layers in the representational process.
Certainly worth consideration provided that it can also avoid the worst "tyranny of the majority" aspects that direct democracy often seems to raise as issues. But, in any case, you've still got to overcome the more fundamental capitalist economic conflicts like "corporate personhood" and "money as free speech" before representational refinements can be made effective.
"On the larger national scale, the deeply flawed concept of elections would be replaced by citezen's national congresses empaneled by persons drawn from the population by random lottery. Only this way does does "representative" have any meaning."
Yet another gimmick, yet another trick.
The problem with democracy, is that so many, on the right AND on the left fear it. The problem is that so many fear the simple electoral concept of one person one vote. Instead all kinds of gimmicks are devised to get around it.
Sorry, but I really don't see how a random sampling procedure can ever be a gimmick. Whole bodies of science are based on it. Sounds like you need some mathematical and scientific training.
the idea of elections inevitably gives rise to corrupt professional politicians who can never represent the people lile a randomly chosen person can. Why do you think juries are chosen this way?
We need to do away with voting.
RV knows her ethnic origin and cant tolerate a well thought and written piece. If you dont understand his semantics he is going to bite your head off.
I suggest you ignore our local Glen Beck.
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Thanks for your insightful and intelligent post. Did you buy the book?
:)
RV: It seems both you and pjd are right. The USA is neither a democracy or a republic, but, as you say, a corporate fascist state. Yet this seems to be the way democracies or quasi-democracies evolve. We should examine the Indian State of Kerala to see if Roy's principles apply there, too. If different, it would seem that the real difference was that in response to "we have to sacrifice blood and treasure for freedom" they said "NO!--the price of freedom is eternal vigilance and the real resource is the people". Most democratic societies seem to fall for the "blood and treasure" part and stop thinking and, the elite ye shall always have with you.
Elaine Morgan, who wrote "The Descent of Woman" (a good and funny read) was a sociologist who also wrote "Falling Apart--The Rise and Fall of Urban Civilization" Her theory was that human societies numbering greater than 30,000 were ungovernable.
I quite agree that we're both "right" in terms of the underlying sentiments, and probably in terms of objectives as well. I just happen to think that a commonly understood semantic and linguistic base is critically important to any process of rational discussion and arrival at any practical answers.
Perhaps it's more simply expressed in another thread containing the basic notion that "he who controls the definitions controls the debate." Even "evolutionary (and likely revolutionary)" responses require some clearly and commonly understood goal.
But, if everyone wants to regard corporatism/fascism as some form of perverted democracy, I suppose that's okay so long as we all understand the same distinction in relation to actual democracy and some clear relationships to capitalist economics in either case. It does, however, allow the myth makers to keep on calling the U.S. system "democratic" and exporting it as such by force of arms.
It is not the system that is the problem, it is the internal makeup of the people and leaders within the system that are responsible for the results that occur in that system. Any system would work if the hearts and minds of the populous and the leaders were immersed in compassion/concern for others well being. this must come first. No system can dictate or create kindness and caring, but any system can reflect these things. Legislation of fairness will always be subdued by evil and greed. Until cruelty and arrogance leave our hearts and minds ,we will continue to live in chaos.
Right on, Sirios. You said it well. But is it possible for so many of us to change?
I believe the answer is YES, and the trip between now and our future is Getting to YES.
[There's a magazine available called YES. Worth looking at and maybe subscribing.]
peace, cm
Sure. And, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
It's no good just wishing for the "internal makeup of the people and leaders" (a.k.a., human nature) to be different from what it actually is. You say that the system isn't the problem, but how would you propose to affect that "internal makeup" in any way other than by systemic means? If the current inhabitants of Planet Earth can be taken as any indicator, wishful idealism certainly won't do it -- not even religious manifestations thereof which actually tend toward their own forms of corruption.
In fact, human nature is precisely what any societal system (political, economic, or otherwise) needs to recognize realistically and address in a practical manner that actually works to achieve beneficial results for society as a whole. If it fails in that respect, then there most certainly is a systemic problem that needs to be dealt with.
While it's true that no paper system will hold up if people are determined to subvert it, it's also true that waiting for a better class of people guarantees that any interim change will be for the worse.
The reality is that people are distributed under the normal curve, with a few psychopaths under one tail, a few "saints" under the other, and the vast majority in the middle willing and able to do whatever is rewarded. That's an axiom in psychology (one of the few good things to come out of Behaviorism!): to get more of some behavior, reward it often. To get less, punish it 100% of the time.
So we're not powerless. Small thought experiment: say you're a scumbag in Congress, and you want to propose a bill that will let the government eavesdrop without a warrant. But let's say that there's a provision in place that says anyone who, regardless of pretext, proposes a law that violates one of our Constitutional rights IMMEDIATELY loses his job and pension, and that *everyone else* must enforce it under pain of losing *their* job and pension. Would you go ahead with proposing the law, knowing that the Speaker/President-pro-tem must, under pain of losing her/his own job and pension, tell the people in payroll to stop your checks as of the moment your bill hits the floor, and tell the Capitol cops to toss you out of your office within 24 hours, pull your Congressional ID, and take your name off the door?
The current system works the way it does because everyone is enmeshed in a network of obligations. Right now the network is controlled by the scum, and the rest of us non-scummy people are forced to do things that benefit them. It's a very powerful system, but it doesn't take a lot to completely change it.
sirios333: Thank you for your beautiful comments. Yes, we must change human consciousness before there will be any radical transformational change in human society.
The future of humankind rests upon an emerging higher global consciousness.
At that time, democracy will have far greater meaning as an act of the human spirit, a synthesis for truth that leads to personal and public discernment.
But, how do "we" change? By recognizing the dysfunctional nature of the human ego. It is the human ego that contributes to our dysfunctional systems of government and the institutions of corporate capitalism. These institutions are all ruled by people of immense egos. But we must recognize this in ourselves before we can recognize it in others. Eckhart Tolle expresses this so well in his book "A New World" that was so highly publicized on the Oprah Winfrey Show.
But this isn't something new that Eckhart Tolle has discovered. This problem with the human ego goes to the heart of all the major religions of the world. Institutional religion in American must reclaim this spiritual energy by becoming a more contemplative religious faith.
World peace can only come after we have recognized the inner violence within us all, the continuous inner battle with the dysfunctional human ego. It is the "original sin" of humankind.
Q: What have we done to democracy?
A: We've turned it over to "experts" and considered our job done. We've put it on autopilot and expected it to self-steer away from the rocks and shoals. We've abdicated our responsibilities and abandoned our posts. And perhaps most damaging of all, we've allowed the blind idiot god Television to intercede between us, to be the final arbitor of acceptable thought, speech and behavior.
Small groups may be able in the future to find ways to live cooperatively and sustainably, but prospects are dim for this fractious melange of some 6 billion souls to do so.
A system of government that refers to "growth" and "recovery" while unemployment hits 9.7 % gives democracy a bad name. As Nobel laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz reminds us a measure of growth that considers only the gains of the market or the GNP is insufficient. It must also measure the well-being of ordinary people. A corporate controlled and bought political system will not go along.
Great article Arundhati. Maybe the right brain/left brain theory could help understand what's happened to democracy.
The Left Brain is logical, sequential, rational, analytical and objective.
A Psychological Bulletin study, "Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition, by Kruglanski, et al., shows that conservatives fit this profile. Their intolerance of ambiguity, their need for order, structure and tradition leads to authoritarianism and self righteousness, which instigates their fear, suspicious analyses, anger and aggression.
The Right Brain, looks at parts, is random, intuitive, holistic, synthesizing, subjective and looks at wholes.
Liberals fit this profile. Einstein, MLK, Lennon, Jesus and other liberals give the whole a fair review, which leads to creative insights and forethought. That may be why liberals tend toward the arts and sciences and conservatives toward rigid administrative posts.
Liberals and conservatives should augment each other. Objective conservatives will take liberal's creations and push them through to production as subjective liberals seem to get caught up in endless details in a complex universe. But conservatives being authoritarians naturally gravitate to positions of power that oppresses liberals, stifling the creativity that can save us all.
Representative democracies become dictatorships because they favor conservative government. As the Swiss show, the only lasting democracy seems to be direct democracy.
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arundhati-roy/what-have-we-done-to-demo_b_301294.html
I hear what you are saying and not to split hairs, but the historical figure of Jesus of Nazareth was not a liberal. His teachings clearly reflect elements of socialism and anarchism. (However not the definitions we are taught here in the USA)
Socialism and anarchism in the US today exist in the realm of the liberal. If you are thinking Jesus was a conservative, you could be basing you're argument on the old benign careful and frugal definitions:
"Liberalism is, I think, resurgent. One reason is that more and more people are so painfully aware of the alternative."
John Kenneth Galbraith
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
John Kenneth Galbraith
Perhaps Arundhati Roy's use of the melting Siachen Glacier, is more proverbial than metaphorical. The most successful state in history, if it may be called one, was that which existed for ages, along the thin but rich alluvial banks the Nile River. The people of this river nation may not have had an democratically elected officialdom, at least not that we know of, yet considering the breadth of its success, in terms of years and accomplishments, some form of inclusive political allegiance, shared by all, must certainly have been extant to make it possible. Let me suggest why and also offer a possible route out from under the malaise of modern democratic institutions as we have them today.
Life for the Pharaonic peoples intimately revolved around the ecology, economy and enduring flow of their river; it fed them, sated their thirst, transported them, gave them a place to worship, live and die. Indeed, their relationship to the Nile river offered their lives a visceral and inspired experience that, unlike our own nation states, formed through abstract conventions and even less solid beliefs as to what it means, would flourish for the benefit of all civilization for millennia.
The key here for us, is the people's relationship to the land they occupy and the increasing importance of that which goes beyond the shallow, rarefied dimension of economic instrumentality. I am not suggesting by this, that we must all become tree hugging dip shits, no. Instead, the local environment and its underlying, intact watershed, like that provided to the ancient Nile river people, can serve us by grounding and defining our expectations within the realities of where we live, through ways and means currently devoid or impractical within the artificial boundaries and borders that go into shaping the modern nation state. Democratic governance may then be loosed from tasks it is inherently incapable of preforming, as the benchmark for it usefulness shall be set by how well the watershed itself is maintained and sustained.
The democratic urge is epochal, perhaps even innate to human nature itself and as such may best be served and expressed through the edifice of nature's own concrete realities.
Good Comment..Proud to be a tree hugging dip shit thank you,Ms. Roy mentioning the melting Glacier is just as much literal,as proverbial and metaphorical.It could be that we don't have time to bicker much before we are forced to change.And how is that "Hopey Changey Thing" Going for us? peace
Could very well be that a democracy has itself as its enemy because if a democracy is discourse of compromise then the eventuality of checks and balances being compromized by those that would benefit by less or de-regulation leads to, as in the U.S.A.'s case, to an element of greed that becomes virulent to the whole system or those that are privvy to the reality of what is happening which is a slow takeover and demize of the essential parts of a democracy, most likely beginning with the subversion of the communications sector as in the msm especially.
And when barriers are removed, this isn't just a way of helping some poor people be given a chance to compete or just live with less drain on society, as in allowing handicapped people special access to most venues that would otherwise prevent them from using such venues, but as in the case of the democracy as a whole, this is big time abuse of what is a system to help people for the repressive gains of the few that game the system, basically saying when the crooks can convince the law enforcement and judicial systems and the law makers, most probably through bribery(lobbying)to undo laws and regulation, that is essentially opening the doors to the treasury/bank, what have you, leaving no guards which results in the main reason of the changes, grand larceny.
So all in all, that one thing most essential to a functioning democracy is compromized, 'eternal vigilance'.
Democracy is its own enemy only if you accept the supposition that it includes within itself the self-enrichment principles of corporate "personhood" capitalism and the overriding representation thereof in the processes of democratic governance. If, on the other hand, you reject that supposition as being anything but truly democratic, then the real enemy of democracy is something with an entirely different name.
The author, and many poster seem to neglect that we were NEVER MEANT TO BE A DEMOCRACY. We were set up to be a democratic REPUBLIC.
What has happened is that we've had two centuries of eroding states rights and centralizing the government. The mechanics of the demise of our society is complex and can be debated for a long time, but once the basic form of government was abandoned, we should have gone back to the drawing board, declared the American experiment a failure and tried something else.
Our forefathers were smart enough to state that our "rights" were "inalienable". This concept competes with "democracy" in that the democracy believes that IT has the power to alter or even redact these rights, and that indeed, the rights are at the pleasure of the democracy itself.
We've already stepped on the banana peel, it's just a matter of which way we fall....
I KNOW THAT VERY WELL, I JUST DON'T GO AROUND PHRASING THIS AS THE REPUBLIC THAT USES A DEMOCRACY FOR GOVERNMENT.
And I still stand by a DEMOCRATIC government is apt to implode on itself when gamed by the scum that attack it for their personal and financial gains, just a lot of other forms of government allow the same or are just taken over.
U.S.A.R or R.U.S.A, hmmm, better, sounds just like russia and fitting as that is what this country is being turned into.
nk I believe .It was meant to be an Autocratic /Democratic /Republic based on a Ruling Family scheme.It wasn't meant to be a Plutocratic, Oligarchic ,"Corporate Citizen" run "Banana Republic" based on the highest bidders taking power ,but evolved that way!That seems to be what the founding fathers in their white male slave owning class wanted.The British East India Corp.taxes and duties, and other new entities were what the revolt against Britain was about.Those inalienable rights were mentioned in the Declaration of Independence,not the Constitution.When drafting the Constitution the rights of property ownership and Capitol trumped individual rights quickly. peace
If one reads the Federalist papers, it is clear that the founding fathers all were in full agreement that the "rights" were inalianable. The fight over the adoption of a Bill of Rights was that one side felt they were unnecessary, and if such were enacted it would imply that they were Constitutionally granted. The other side felt that if they were NOT enacted, that future generations (us) would believe that they could pick and choose which rights to God given. That is the reason for the wording such as "shall not be infringed", or "shall make no law respecting" and "the rights of the people....shall not be violated..." Our forefathers did NOT believe that the paper that they were enacting was the source of the freedoms discribed therein.
I agree with all that you have written, but it was a different time. As you know, not all of the drafters of the Constitution agreed with slavery and a few even went so far as to go on record that there should be rights for women. Again, those few voices were stiffled.
I hesitate to guess what form of government we will eventually come to have. Remember, even the USSR was "democratic" in that every citizen got to vote. The level of civic ignorance the general population has about the foreign policies of our country and the level of corporate domination over our congress is frightening, to say the least. Perhaps some day we will look upon the 2009 Afghan elecections as 'fair and democratic' by comparison.
I am with your thread here,when Arundhati Roy says "too much democracy" she may be alluding to adding dozens of candidates to the ballot to split the vote or other electoral tricks to insure majority party wins.The opposite effect that has been used in the U.S. and the U.S.S.R.In the movie "Moon Over Parador" the Dictator "Sims" if I recall was a puppet for 14 ruling elite families,he ran on the Red and Blue ticket with no opposition.So there was a choice Sims or Sims.In the U.S. we keep people out of the debate and off the ballots,and allow Corporate persons to hyjack the vote. peace
I never cease to be amazed by the widespread levels of confusion and misunderstanding that exist involving economics, goverance and sovereignty issues. It's enough to make one wonder at times whether democracy really is such a good idea.
Whether a nation is republican or monarchical is a sovereignty issue entirely separate and distinct from whether its goverance is democratic. Some constitutional monarchies are democratically governed. Some so-called "people's republics" most definitely are not.
The U.S. claims to be a "republic" with sovereignty residing in its people, but its imperial "unitary executive" combining the powers of head of state, head of governement and commander-in-chief make that claim highly questionable, especially when considered in conjunction with presidential legislative overrides, indefinite detention, torture and death by drone on command, secret presidential findings, and so on and on.
If CDers ever hope to correct current problems, they'd better learn first how to distinguish more precisely the various concepts they're dealing with.
RV - Nobody is confused about the forms of government. The "republic" placed the states in a higher priority than the central federal government... as a generalized statement. One can point to several eroding actions that led to the demise of state's rights, but without each state having some say as to the direction of the federal government, it is easy to erode the fundamental concept to make people believe that 'direct democracy' is a good idea. It really isn't (IMHO).
As far as "democracy" goes, it can only work when the people are informed about the issues and the candidates. Even if it did work, it is a very bad idea for people in New York City to set policy for farmers in Iowa, which a 'direct democracy' allows for. Ergo, state's rights or 'republic' as allowed for under article IV section 4 of the Constitution should be the preferred form of government.
I seriously doubt if CDers will 'correct current problems' in any meaningful way. It's a nice froum to get other people's viewpoints from and vent now and then, but it is not a solution think tank by any means. As Howard Cosell once said, 'what is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right'. Therein lies the problem of ALL open forums.
Yes inalienable rights. Except for women. Except for black people.
Ms. Roy dear,in the United States we have sold "Democracy " to the highest bidder.In India I hope it is not the same.Thanks for your writing! Satnam and peace
Ms. Roy, they plan a one world order and an end to the US, using a pandemic emergency as the pretext. It all comes with military to "assist" with dangerous to deadly vaccines and detainment camps for any who refuse. Vaccine or prison? To prove you have been vaccinated, they will give a permanent RFID bracelet to track you like a dog. Your help is needed to expose this. The left is unaware.
Soooo, is there life after democracy?
The philosopher, Giambattista Vico, wrote that after Democracy comes Chaos.
Welcome to Chaos!