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The Guns of August
"It is time to water the tree of liberty" said the sign carried by a gun-toting protester milling outside President Obama's town-hall meeting in New Hampshire two weeks ago. The Thomas Jefferson quote that inspired this message, of course, said nothing about water: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." That's the beauty of a gun - you don't have to spell out the "blood."
The protester was a nut. America has never had a shortage of them. But what's Tom Coburn's excuse? Coburn is a Republican senator from Oklahoma, where 168 people were murdered by right-wing psychopaths who bombed a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995. Their leader, Timothy McVeigh, had the Jefferson quote on his T-shirt when he committed this act of mass murder. Yet last Sunday, when asked by David Gregory on "Meet the Press" if he was troubled by current threats of "violence against the government," Coburn blamed not the nuts but the government.
"Well, I'm troubled any time when we stop having confidence in our government," the senator said, "but we've earned it."
Coburn is nothing if not consistent. In the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, he was part of a House contingent that helped delay and soften an antiterrorism bill. This cohort even tried to strip out a provision blocking domestic fund-raising by foreign terrorist organizations like Hamas. Why? The far right, in league with the National Rifle Association, was angry at the federal government for aggressively policing America's self-appointed militias. In a 1996 floor speech, Coburn conceded that "terrorism obviously poses a serious threat," but then went on to explain that the nation had worse threats to worry about: "There is a far greater fear that is present in this country, and that is fear of our own government." As his remarks on "Meet the Press" last week demonstrated, the subsequent intervention of 9/11 has not changed his worldview.
I have been writing about the simmering undertone of violence in our politics since October, when Sarah Palin, the vice-presidential candidate of a major political party, said nothing to condemn Obama haters shrieking "Treason!," "Terrorist!" and "Off with his head!" at her rallies. As vacation beckons, I'd like to drop the subject, but the atmosphere keeps getting darker.
Coburn's implicit rationalization for far-right fanatics bearing arms at presidential events - the government makes them do it! - cannot stand. He's not a radio or Fox News bloviator paid a fortune to be outrageous; he's a card-carrying member of the United States Senate. On Monday - the day after he gave a pass to those threatening violence - a dozen provocateurs with guns, at least two of them bearing assault weapons, showed up for Obama's V.F.W. speech in Phoenix. Within hours, another member of Congress - Phil Gingrey of Georgia - was telling Chris Matthews on MSNBC that as long as brandishing guns is legal, he, too, saw no reason to discourage Americans from showing up armed at public meetings.
In April the Department of Homeland Security issued a report, originally commissioned by the Bush administration, on the rising threat of violent right-wing extremism. It was ridiculed by conservatives, including the Republican chairman, Michael Steele, who called it "the height of insult." Since then, a neo-Nazi who subscribed to the anti-Obama "birther" movement has murdered a guard at the Holocaust museum in Washington, and an anti-abortion zealot has gunned down a doctor in a church in Wichita, Kan.
This month the Southern Poverty Law Center, the same organization that warned of the alarming rise in extremist groups before the Oklahoma City bombing, issued its own report. A federal law enforcement agent told the center that he hadn't seen growth this steep among such groups in 10 to 12 years. "All it's lacking is a spark," he said.
This uptick in the radical right predates the health care debate that is supposedly inspiring all the gun waving. Nor can this movement be attributed to a stepped-up attack by Democrats on this crowd's holy Second Amendment. Since taking office, Obama has disappointed gun-control advocates by relegating his campaign pledge to reinstate the ban on assault weapons to the down-low.
No, the biggest contributor to this resurgence of radicalism remains panic in some precincts about a new era of cultural and demographic change. As the sociologist Daniel Bell put it, "What the right as a whole fears is the erosion of its own social position, the collapse of its power, the increasing incomprehensibility of a world - now overwhelmingly technical and complex - that has changed so drastically within a lifetime."
Bell's analysis appeared in his essay "The Dispossessed," published in 1962, between John Kennedy's election and assassination. J.F.K., no more a leftist than Obama, was the first Roman Catholic in the White House and the tribune of a new liberal order. Bell could have also written his diagnosis in 1992, between Bill Clinton's election and the Oklahoma City bombing. Clinton, like Kennedy and Obama, brought liberals back into power after a conservative reign and represented a generational turnover that stoked the fears of the dispossessed.
While Bell's essay remains relevant in 2009, he could not have imagined in 1962 that major politicians, from a vice-presidential candidate down, would either enable or endorse a radical and armed fringe. Nor could he have imagined that so many conservative intellectuals would remain silent. William F. Buckley did make an effort to distance National Review from the John Birch Society. The only major conservative writer to repeatedly and forthrightly take on the radical right this year is David Frum. He ended a recent column for The Week, titled "The Reckless Right Courts Violence," with a plea that the president "be met and bested on the field of reason," not with guns.
Those on the right who defend the reckless radicals inevitably argue "The left does it too!" It's certainly true that both the left and the right traffic in bogus, Holocaust-trivializing Hitler analogies, and, yes, the protesters of the antiwar group Code Pink have disrupted Congressional hearings. But this is a false equivalence. Code Pink doesn't show up on Capitol Hill with firearms. And, as the 1960s historian Rick Perlstein pointed out on the Washington Post Web site last week, not a single Democratic politician endorsed the Weathermen in the Vietnam era.
This week the journalist Ronald Kessler's new behind-the-scenes account of presidential security, "In the President's Secret Service," rose to No. 3 on The Times nonfiction best-seller list. No wonder there's a lot of interest in the subject. We have no reason to believe that these hugely dedicated agents will fail us this time, even as threats against Obama, according to Kessler, are up 400 percent from those against his White House predecessor.
But as we learned in Oklahoma City 14 years ago - or at the well-protected Holocaust museum just over two months ago - this kind of irrational radicalism has a myriad of targets. And it is impervious to reason. Much as Coburn fought an antiterrorism bill after the carnage of Oklahoma City, so three men from Bagdad, Ariz., drove 2,500 miles in 1964 to testify against a bill tightening federal controls on firearms after the Kennedy assassination. As the historian Richard Hofstadter wrote in his own famous Kennedy-era essay, "The Paranoid Style in American Politics," these Arizona gun enthusiasts were convinced that the American government was being taken over by a "subversive power." Sound familiar?
Even now the radicals are taking a nonviolent toll on the Obama presidency. Obama complains, not without reason, that the news media, led by cable television, exaggerate the ruckus at health care events. But why does he exaggerate the legitimacy and clout of opposition members of Congress who, whether through silence or outright endorsement, are surrendering to the nuts? Even Charles Grassley, the supposedly adult Iowa Republican who is the Senate point man for his party on health care, has now capitulated to the armed fringe by publicly parroting their "pull the plug on grandma" fear-mongering.
For all the talk of Obama's declining poll numbers this summer, he towers over his opponents. In last week's Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll, only 21 percent approve of how Republicans in Congress are handling health care reform (as opposed to the president's 41 percent). Should Obama fail to deliver serious reform because his administration treats the pharmaceutical and insurance industries as deferentially as it has the banks, that would be shameful. Should he fail because he in any way catered to a decimated opposition party that has sunk and shrunk to its craziest common denominator, that would be ludicrous.
The G.O.P., whose ranks have now dwindled largely to whites in Dixie and the less-populated West, is not even a paper tiger - it's a paper muskrat. James Carville is correct when he says that if Republicans actually carried out their filibuster threats on health care, it would be a political bonanza for the Democrats.
In last year's campaign debates, Obama liked to cite his unlikely Senate friendship with Tom Coburn, of all people, as proof that he could work with his adversaries. If the president insists that enemies like this are his friends - and that the nuts they represent can be placated by reason - he will waste his opportunity to effect real change and have no one to blame but himself.


105 Comments so far
Show AllObama is the most protected president in the history of this country. Can anyone seriously believe that if these gun toters were legitimate they would be allowed anywhere within a mile of Obama...rights or not? This reeked of a set-up....
nevergiveup:
Great point. One only needs to look back at recent Democratic and Republican conventions where protesters were searched for weapons before they were escorted to fenced-in areas, far away from where the political BS was taking place.
It certainly looks like a set-up to me, especially since we're still fighting this alleged war on terrorism. Let's also not forget the passing of the Patriot Act and Military Commissions Act which have undermined our rights and turned U.S. Presidents into dictators or unitary deciders.
Gail August 23rd, 2009 11:13 am..I have no doubt it was a set-up. Can you imagine anyone trying to get close to Bush with loaded rifles or pistols? The Secret Service are ultimately the responsible party. They would NEVER allow this unless under orders and they understood it was all a show.
Just like at that post-election rally with the family on stage. It looked as if he was out in the open, but in reality, they were all behind six inches of bullet proof plexiglass.
It's all a show...what this particular incident serves escapes me. Could be to show some false bravado....Any ideas?
Good questions. I can only think of two options at the moment. One is that Obama, having adopted a "guns are all right" attitude, wanted to prove his comfort with the NRA by allowing gun-toters to show up at the rally and act as if it was no big deal, an example of his comfort with Americans' "right to bear arms." It does seem pretty farfetched, though, that the Secret Service would have allowed it.
A second option could be that everyone in Obama's circle realized that these events were out of control and completely overriding his message on health care and decided to bring in a few gun-toting ringers to convince the majority that the shouters were raving lunatics and so attempt to take the message back.
The third option, the one you're arguing, is that allowing the gun-toters in is intended to promote fear and stoke violence so as to set up a military crackdown. Anything's possible, but it seems reasonable that there are enough Americans who fervently believe what these people are saying (stoked by the right-wing media) that no such large conspiracy is happening. I also don't see the Obama crowd as wanting the hassle of full-scale suppression of dissent, a military presence in the country, etc. They're hard-core business corporatists, but that's different than being PNAC types.
dciconoclast August 23rd, 2009 3:39 pm...I understand what you are saying, but it was not my intention to promote that third option. I DO think it's more along the lines of a show to present Obama as the peoples president ...fearless and "close" to his constituents. I think the last and to a growing extent, the present administration have created enough fear in the sheeples to last quite a while...at least until they are exposed for the felonious genocidal murders that they actually are. And, for my money, that will only come with a new investigation of the false flag of 9/11.
Ahh, I see. "A show to present Obama as the people's president" -- could very well be. Especially since unfortunately, Obama seems exceedingly comfortable with "shows" of this, that, and the other thing.
Sioux Rose
Like an abused spouse, a battered population will only take so much before a lit spark sets its ample angst ablaze. Retaliation is seldom sweet.
When Obama took the presidency, the NEED for hope was quite real. That he has delivered NADA, as in zero/zilch/nothing
not only leaves the hunger for hope unaddressed, but is summoning a massing tidal surge represented by the fury of betrayed Americans on all sides. Indeed this force is rising.
The law of unintended consequences is always at work. No one in this forum can be sure to what extent Obama started out sold-out, or got there due to threats, coercion, or the Mafia-like influence of big money. The net effect is that the nation has been running in place. No progress has been made in any campaign or issue of consequence, while embarrassing sums have been thrown at the things that ultimately erode the quality of life for most. Those items are primarily related to bankers/mammon and militarism/Mars, with generous displays also offered, like religious sacraments, to big pharma, and the chorus of corporate contenders.
It's very scary to witness this encouragement of armed citizens at rallies given the history of this nation, and the trend towards "lone gunman(s)" shifting the course of history.
The right operates very effectively in rousing huge levels of anger, and then directing it at the very things that will benefit those who have CAUSED the anger. As most of us recognize in this forum, the massive dis-information campaign at work 24/7 and acting like a virtual cognitive feeding tube via talk-radio has managed to twist so many minds that they are absolutely unable to recognize the true cause factors behind their personal misery. Spinning like angry tops they can take aim anywhere!
I have previously related that astrological factors suggest a unique outbreak of violence next year in June-August. There is something unusual about this. I would not be surprised, if like the story of the 200th monkey, small domestic outbreaks occur in a number of locations at once, a synchronized set of acts that take a toll on the nation. OR it could come from outside. All the factors resonant with a political brushfire are being fanned now. Would we really be surprised to see the inevitable manifest?
Sioux Rose,
I agree with all that you've said, in particular that Americans on all sides feel betrayed. Those on the right are expressing it in rage, and the far right in violence and symbols/talk of violence. On the left, at least in my own experience, what I witness is people at this point trying to help each other, attributing the bad times to just the fact that bad times happen, and optimistically asserting that we'll survive this, too. I've often felt they would be better off getting angry -- there is good reason to be angry, and anger well-channeled can change things for the good. In short, I think that many on the left are in denial, still "hoping."
But another thing you wrote made me wonder what, really, Obama could do that would quell the rage on the right. They likely feel betrayed for many of the same reasons the left (slowly but surely) does. But the solutions Obama might propose that would please the left and calm their anger would only further enrage the right, because of the manipulations of the right-wing media. What I'm saying is that many of the root causes of the right's rage are the same for the left: failure to create a massive jobs program, failure to stem the flood of jobs going overseas, increasing difficulty is just surviving due to the damage done to the economy by the banking/credit corporations, and anger at the way those responsible have gone pretty much scot-free. So while many of the root causes are the same, the right seems not to see the real root causes. As you say, their thought processes have been so twisted by the right-wing media they truly believe the problems are the unconscious fears the right media plays on: fear of Other (a black male in the White House), fear of change itself, rage at loss of control.
So while I am furious, too, that Obama has done NADA, I have to wonder -- if he had done the things we wish he had done, would the rage on the right not be occurring? I suspect it would be even worse, as the right-wing media would have more ammunition to twist. On the other hand, if he had pushed through a giant work program, as people on the right got jobs again and regained a sense of control over their economic lives they might become less susceptible to the right's manipulations. And I do believe that if Obama would take a firm stand and clearly express his positions rather than attempting to solve everything by stanceless bipartisanship, he would gradually win more respect from those who are not his natural constituency.
Good comments sioux and dc... Jobs are important. I wish Obama would have listened more to Krugman when he pleaded for a bigger job-creating stimulus package. And it would have been nice if the Obama Administration would have clearly defined the huge difference between the bank bail-out and the stimulus program, which have become one and the same in too many people's minds.
Yes, I think a lack of communication is a big part of the problem. That would seem ironic, given Obama's gift at rhetoric. But there's that disconnect between his rhetoric and any sense that he will fight for the beliefs behind the rhetoric. I think that many of the "dispossessed" on the right respond so much to the right-wing radio bloviators simply because they speak with certainty. Maybe it's the need for a firm father that those on the right seem to long for more than those on the left. The voice of the father saying, This is what you should think/how you should feel. In a world where nothing seems certain and all the old rules are being flung as if from a merry-go-round gone wild, that voice can become something to cling to... By not taking firm stands or speaking with unmovable certainty, believing instead that a mushy center ground will please everyone, Obama is leaving those people increasingly vulnerable to any voices that ARE certain.
I agree.
dciconoclast August 23rd, 2009 11:11 am
"What I'm saying is that many of the root causes of the right's rage are the same for the left: failure to create a massive jobs program, failure to stem the flood of jobs going overseas, increasing difficulty is just surviving due to the damage done to the economy by the banking/credit corporations, and anger at the way those responsible have gone pretty much scot-free. So while many of the root causes are the same, the right seems not to see the real root causes."
I agree. But it's not just the right that fails to see the real root causes. Many on the left are just as blind, having been falsely led to believe that the elite controllers of this economy had no idea they were creating another devastating bubble, resulting from an "unregulated" OTC derivitives market with no clearing house to evaluate whether counterparties to these get-rich-quick schemes could actually cover the losses from the risks.
To make matters worse, this sh!t is still going on. Nothing has changed. These gambling casinos are still operating with no oversight or regulation!
What's going to happen when the majority of taxpayers finally realize they are being looted by these (legalized) criminals who will keep coming back for more "to-big-to-fail" bailouts so they can reward themselves with $$Billions in bonuses while millions of citizens can't even feed and shelter their families?
I think your last question is definitely the question of the year. The realization is growing every day -- everywhere, it seems, but in Congress. I don't see the majority of Americans being moved to commit random acts of violence. But there certainly exists a minority that might. I guess the current worst-case scenario I see is that minority putting America under seige, with the government responding with the military. "Funny," it just occurred to me that we're approaching the time when Spineless George became George the Mighty in response to 9/11. Obama is light-years opposite to Bush in so many ways, yet his administration seems to be floundering in these first 8 months just as Bush's was perceived as floundering and unfocused. Would Obama respond to home-grown terrorist attacks by becoming Obama the Mighty? Is he actually similar to Bush in his seeming inability to find his own beliefs, take a stand, ignore the advisers? I certainly hope not.
Empire has long used the tactics of "agent provacateurs" and "false-flag attacks" and "black-bag operations" and "proxy wars" and "set-up operations" other covert means to bring about their agenda, both domestically and overseas, to bring about their strategy of "divide & conquer" and get popular support for their "wars of choice" and "anti-terrorist" laws to further their globalist agenda...
The "gun-toting patriot" at townHall meetings are no exception... These are staged events with agents and their "assets" made to look like "Joe Six-shooter" who get the corporate media to instill fear in the hearts and minds of Liberals, and inspire similar behavior in the reactionaries who are brainwashed by hate-wing TV & radio... All it will take is a few well placed agents and their assets carrying out simultaneous actions throughout the country to have our own version of "Kristalnacht" and race a that will be the justification for declaration of Martial Law... If this plan fails, they have other contingency plans on the shelf, like another false-flag attack to push us in that direction...
This is not some paranoid fear-driven rant... It would follow the text-book formula that the European & American Banksters have used in their funding of Hitler, Mussolini, and Bush's rise to power and the tactics used in "closing down of Democracies"...
We have already had our Reichstag moment with 9-11... we have already had our civil liberties and constitutional rights stripped with the PATRIOT acts... And we already have our war machine running rough-shod over AsiaMinor...
GoldenMean
Very well said. So many people refuse to believe that their government is capable of fomenting these activities when history shows, as you correctly note, that from the Reichstag fire to 9/11/01, this is indeed possible.
You are over the top with the "staged" 'scheme and device' thinking. Of course this happens, but a lot of it is just capitalism and power plays in action: one event leading to another, random actions that when viewed in reverse, while seemingly quite logical and sometimes funded with right-wing goals in mind, are still quite often only 'controlled' in the abstract.
I recommend reading and researching the history of Intelligence organizations like the CIA ""(Legacy of Ashes), Mossad (Gideons Spies), the KGB, MI6, and Saudi & French Intelligence...
If you are still not convinced that these Intelligence organizations are capable of carrying out psy-ops campaigns, assassinations, or black-bag operations in their countries of origin or overseas, as well as fomenting civil wars through agent provacateurs and false-flag operations, then there is no point in continuing this conversation with you...
Kermit Roosevelt, a CIA operative, almost single handedly created the insurrection in Iran in '53 that deposed of the democratically elected Mossadegh, to be replaced with the Bankster & corporate friendly Shah, and the CIA then created the brutal SAVAK to terrorize the people of Iran until the revolution in '79...
If you think I am "over the top" to think that it can happen here, then I think it is "under the bottom" for you to down play the historical precidence that follows a textbook pattern time and time again... Why would this be any different... Because this is "America"...?
GoldenMean
Thanks for the recommendation of "Legacy of Ashes" which sounds from what you had written to be an interesting read.
You said, "These are staged events with agents and their "assets" made to look like "Joe Six-shooter..." I do not believe this. Some of them, sure, but a lot or most are just dupes and ignorants. Now everything you say in your last post I also believe to be true. So we mostly agree, but whenever we overstate our case, it's as if we are requesting ridicule and scorn.
I also said that the hate-wing rhetoric from TV & radio and the example set by these agents or their assets is meant to inspire other reactionaries to follow suit... I don't believe that they all are assets or agents either, just the ones who get the most media attention so they can control the message... Feel free to ridicule and scorn me as you will... It says more about you than it does about me...
And another thing... If you agree with most of what I say, but think it is 2% instead of 1% difference between the D's & R's, isn't that just splitting the hairs of a naked king...?
2% milk is still 98% bovine mammary discharge... Full of antibiotics, RBGH, steroids, prions, pus, and blood... You can add a little coloring and flavoring and call it "Chocolate Milk" to sell it to the ignorant consumer masses, but it still came from the same CAFO... So drink up...!
Sorry, I did not make myself clear. When you are here, speaking to the "choir," the "ridicule and scorn" stuff is of little importance. On the other hand, if you are speaking outside a forum like this, then precision in our words is very important. It is then, when overstatement can rightly lead to "ridicule and scorn." Others are then likely to dismiss your correct ideas because of an unfortunate choice of a word or two.
"So while I am furious, too, that Obama has done NADA, I have to wonder -- if he had done the things we wish he had done, would the rage on the right not be occurring? I suspect it would be even worse, as the right-wing media would have more ammunition to twist."
You have to be kidding. After watching the abuse these corporate fascists have heaped on America, I am supposed to be worried about pissing off these fiends and their petulant children (aka useful idiots)? Let the chips fall where they may. They need to be stopped and if I get mowed down by some right wing lunatic, so be it. Enough is enough!
This article does a good job of outlining how insane the right-wing has become, but there is an acceptance of the false notion that the democratic party is not complicit in creating this atmosphere. To state that " Clinton, like Kennedy and Obama brought liberals back into power " undermines Mr. Rich's credibility by his inaccurate portrayal of what is going on in Washington in general.
Clinton was the bluest of blue dogs as evidenced by his capital gains tax cuts, his banking deregulation and total failure on environmental issues. We have just lived through 28 years of non-stop neo-liberal rule and the country is on the verge of collapse. Mr. Rich needs to get his head out of his posterior.
But I've been to a raucous town hall meeting and seen the hate in their eyes. If only one in a hundred is really crazy--then gun violence is inevitable. How many will they be able to kill before the secret service gets to them? With an AK 47 I suppose it could be quite a few. Let's hope its not a conspiracy or something really terrible could happen.
Ah, all this doom n gloom. Look at the bright side. With an assault rifle there's a split-second chance to react against the nut. With a suicide bomber, it's just 'boom.' So our 'gun' culture is not all bad.
Greg--you're kidding, right? There are so many crazies these days that I can't tell anymore...
Well, my tongue was in cheek, but still a bit of truth I think. I am a gun owner who thinks restrictions on assault rifles is a very good idea. I also like the idea of restrictions on the carrying of guns in public places.
If Frank paid $25,000 to publish this BS then the Times lost out. Must have been a slow news day as usual.
Any reasonable person looking in depth at JFK murder, Oklahoma city bombing or 911 would come away scratching their head wondering what actually did happen And who indeed was responsible.
I do not support violence with gun or bomb as I see it as a failure to pursue solutions through reason and compromise. Certainly there is a host of angry and frustrated citizens some who carry out stupid acts of violence when their ability to anything intelligent fails them but to paint them all with a the right wing brush is ignorant and inflammatory. Because they lost the last election the right have become the donkey that witless writers ride for a buck.
Nowhere do you consider that both on the right and left there are many many good citizens that are not carrying guns but know full well that there has been a marked downward spiral in all things American. The events of these days are playing out for the American people as an example of how our democracy is being sold to the highest bidder. The majority who are awake see the wishes and will of the people being raped and robed.
Must be nice to sit in the middle/center and point fingers at everyone else while making money without ever having to look in the mirror at your own ugly position.
Exactly. The Right, however, will be happy to foment race war if it means regaining power.
If someone had been there toting a gun carrying an anti-WTO or anti-Nafta sign, he would be in jail now. The preparations are being made. And you can bet your jackboots on that.
I was in OKC that day, and felt and saw and heard the act and aftermath.
Yes. We do know that Timothy McVeigh was the man who did it, and that he had help from a man named Terry Nichols. We do know that they were right-wing militia-types, although militias deny their having been members.
We know that they were not at all motivated by "the downward spiral in all things American". They cited the deaths of people in the Waco religious cult compound as their reasons. But some understanding of McVeigh's life makes his motivation clearer.
He was a soldier, trained in explosives. He wanted to be a member of an elite military unit (can't remember if it was the Seals or what). Found unfit for that, he re-entered civilian life. But he was a man who wanted to be extraordinary, a hero. Unwilling to have a "normal" life (how boring). Like men who march out in the woods with the KKK or militias with guns, calling each other Colonel or Grand Kleagle, he decided to act out his fantasies.
The Waco incident was just his excuse; he cared nothing for the people killed there. Any more than he cared for the little children he himself killed in the nursery of the federal building here.
Don't tell me it's because gee, they're upset that people are willing to march around with guns and threaten to kill whoever they deludedly blame for their troubles. Yes, we do have troubles. But don't tell me it's gee understandable when people kill.
To flesh out your charicature of Tim McVeigh, I highly recommend reading 'Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace' - part of a trilogy by Gore Vidal where he presents some of his correspondence with McVeigh who was awaiting execution - including McVeigh's own attempt at a Bill of Rights.
The other two of the trilogy: 'Dreaming War' and 'Imperial America' are pretty good too. All three are short, easy, and very informative reads.
It's certainly true that both the left and the right traffic in bogus, Holocaust-trivializing Hitler analogies,....
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Wrong.
Mr. Rich needs to do his homework.
From The Guardian, 2004:
George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.
The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
Full and unedited:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
what you say is all true
the grand-daddy bush - samuel p bush was a war profiteer during ww1 as a bag man for the hariman family
prescott bush was fondly referred to as "the banker to the nazis" and he took monthly trips to switzerland to update his nazi brothers on the state of their investments.
prescott somehow later became head of the cia - the dirty little slime hole that bush daddy crawled out of
let's not forget while discussing the bush's that marvin bush - bush baby's brother - was in charge of security at the world trade center
quite the pedigree
And, please do not neglect brother Neil Bush....who was, shall we say, intimately involved in the 1989 Savings and Loan collapse/debacle, which cost taxpayers many billions in a bailout similar to the one we've just done.
The Bush Crime Family has been intimately involved in every rotten thing that has happened in the past 100 years. Jeb hasn't had his turn yet, so that should be fun?!?
It's worth noting that some major American corporations (some as innocuous-sounding as Bird's Eye frozen foods) attempted to foment a fascist coup in the US in the 'thirties. Nope, it's not an urban legend at all. FDR found out when the right-wing general who'd been approached to lead the coup, sounded the alarm (much to his credit). He believed in the rule of law more than in the rule of the elite (which was the foundation for much fascism--master races and here, master corporatists).
The same tendency toward worship of power (corporations, wars, weaponry, religious leaders, dominant race and gender) is fundamental to the right wing today.
Okfalcon
I think that the "right-wing general" that you are referring to was ex Marine Smedley Butler who, since he declared that war was a racket and that he had been used as a muscle man by the government and big corporations, could not accurately be described as being a right-wing general. The large corporations thought that they could rely upon Butler without realizing that Butler had renounced and regretted what he had done when had been in the military which had resulted in his engaging in wars around the globe in order to further the aims of imperialism and big business.
Well said...
Part of the purpose of these staged events is to have the propaganda outlets repeat "Fascism" and Communist" enough times to confuse and confound the context of the words to render them meaningless, therefore removing the true fascist nature of the Bush Crime family and the globalist agenda in the minds of all americans, by whipping up the ignorant reactionaries into a violent fervor, and keep the well-meaning liberals reacting to the reactionaries...
The Problem is, there are corporatists (Mussolini's definition of fascism) on both sides of the aisle... The Neoliberals are the twins of the neoconservatives... They both work towards the same globalist agenda... Both Clintons and Obama support Free Trade and pre-emptive wars and unitary executive powers and corporate subsidies and outsourcing jobs and privatization of public resources... Ad nauseum....
Try explaining that to some faithful liberal who only can acknowledge the 1% difference in foreign & domestic policy between the two corporate parties...? I am still waiting for our 1% to trickle down from the Owebama administration to prove that there is any difference at all...
I pretty much agree, but I think once again you overstate. I believe 2% is closer to the truth than 1%. Seriously. Instead of Bush's "crusade" idiocy, Obama speaks softly (does continue to use the big stick though). I believe that once the economy picks up a bit more, Obama and Dems will raise taxes on the rich by 3% or so. I think we will ultimately agree that there is at least a 2% difference. It's hard to remember, but I believe it was Obama who said, "Subtle change we can believe in."
"There is a far greater fear that is present in this country, and that is fear of our own government."
If only Coburn were right about that. Unfortunately, most Americans have bought into the propaganda line insisting that the biggest threats to their safety and wellbeing are external.
I find myself increasingly sympathetic to U.S. right-wingers. They may be unsophisticated rubes in terms of figuring out who their real enemies are, but so are some of the wishy-washy continually compromised "lesser evilists" on the left. At least the "righties" have the courage to stand up and fight for what they truly believe in, very often succesfully from their own perspectives.
odoco
The problem with your scenario is that many on the 'right' and influenced by, and react to - LIES. So where would such action lead? I suspect exactly where the corporatists wish it to lead. Many of the rubes on the right fail to understand that the very organizations and individuals guiding them are virtually the same that are screwing them out of their jobs, sending their jobs overseas, rigging the tax codes in favor of the elites, depriving the masses of once-considered sacrosanct rights, etc. They are the 'brownshirts' of America today. Ignorant, unsophisticated, and scared. They are, for the first time, a MINORITY in what is supposed to be a DEMOCRACY. They cannot, have not, accepted this fact with either civility or democratic virtue.
So, what do scared, misguided, misinformed people due when threatened?
Go to townhalls?
That bunch on the right are Ignorant, unsophisticated, and scared? Sounds like something uttered a few years ago about those Lefties.
When you demonize everyone that disagrees with you....its a mistake.
I know some of those "brownshirts" you refer to, they own business's, hold advanced degrees and understand very well what is going on. They are certainly not a minority....I don't know where you got that idea. There are far more moderates and Conservatives than Progressives. Far more.
The Townhall lies are just that. I've studied every U tube video on them II could find....I'd say there are equal amounts of nuts on both sides and the only violence I saw was by SEIU members the first time and HC supporters the second.
Truth is truth no matter how inconvenient.
You must have watched the townhall segments of Faux News. Congratulations you little newshound :)
But this is not exactly truth, Henry. The "brownshirts" are in fact trying to prevent discussion of an important public issue. Many of them believe patent untruths--and the scary part is that they do not care what the truth is. They are bent upon disruption of discussion, and upon suppression of information.
The myth that disagreement is always a "fifty-fifty" thing is just that. Sometimes people are in fact deluded, and truly the right wing has traveled so far in that direction (the Bush years in part to blame) that whether a "brownshirt" has an advanced degree or not, I must doubt his or her intelligence or commitment to reason.
Okfalcon
Very well said. Henry claims that there are "nuts on both sides" while never acknowledging that no one on the left, to the best of my knowledge, has ever brought visible weapons, which just happen to be LOADED, at or near public venues.
I'm not sure what you mean by my "scenario." I thought I had made it clear enough that my sympathies did NOT extend to misguided or misinformed misunderstandings of the underlying problems and threats, regardless of the nominal "wing" involved.
odoco
My response was to Henry - not to you. Sorry.
N/P :)
I would like to correct the "unsophisticated rubes" BS. Thats a popular myth manufactured by our academic elite and folks that think they are the only one's "in the know"
You'll find just as much "rubeness" intolerance and sophisticated unsophistication as you will on the Right. The Right tries the same thing by saying "socialist", "communist", etc.
There are far more folks out here upset about the same things the Townhallers are than "Rightwingers" Democrats, Independents, moderates, conservatives.....its a vast cross section that know exactly what these folks are trying to pull.
I am beginning to think that there are going to be a lot of folks standing up together before this is over.
Your rebuke is well taken. I did say "they MAY be", but I really should have made it clear that it was intended primarily as a set-aside dismissal of that popular (for this audience) characterization of so-called "right-wing nuts."
Anyhow, I sincerely hope you're right about a lot of folks standing up together. It's the only real hope I can see for ordinary Americans to make a reality of the "greatest democracy on earth" slogan.