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The Swiss Menace
It was the blooper heard round the world. In an editorial denouncing Democratic health reform plans, Investor's Business Daily tried to frighten its readers by declaring that in Britain, where the government runs health care, the handicapped physicist Stephen Hawking "wouldn't have a chance," because the National Health Service would consider his life "essentially worthless."
Professor Hawking, who was born in Britain, has lived there all his life, and has been well cared for by the National Health Service, was not amused.
Besides being vile and stupid, however, the editorial was beside the point. Investor's Business Daily would like you to believe that Obamacare would turn America into Britain - or, rather, a dystopian fantasy version of Britain. The screamers on talk radio and Fox News would have you believe that the plan is to turn America into the Soviet Union. But the truth is that the plans on the table would, roughly speaking, turn America into Switzerland - which may be occupied by lederhosen-wearing holey-cheese eaters, but wasn't a socialist hellhole the last time I looked.
Let's talk about health care around the advanced world.
Every wealthy country other than the United States guarantees essential care to all its citizens. There are, however, wide variations in the specifics, with three main approaches taken.
In Britain, the government itself runs the hospitals and employs the doctors. We've all heard scare stories about how that works in practice; these stories are false. Like every system, the National Health Service has problems, but over all it appears to provide quite good care while spending only about 40 percent as much per person as we do. By the way, our own Veterans Health Administration, which is run somewhat like the British health service, also manages to combine quality care with low costs.
The second route to universal coverage leaves the actual delivery of health care in private hands, but the government pays most of the bills. That's how Canada and, in a more complex fashion, France do it. It's also a system familiar to most Americans, since even those of us not yet on Medicare have parents and relatives who are.
Again, you hear a lot of horror stories about such systems, most of them false. French health care is excellent. Canadians with chronic conditions are more satisfied with their system than their U.S. counterparts. And Medicare is highly popular, as evidenced by the tendency of town-hall protesters to demand that the government keep its hands off the program.
Finally, the third route to universal coverage relies on private insurance companies, using a combination of regulation and subsidies to ensure that everyone is covered. Switzerland offers the clearest example: everyone is required to buy insurance, insurers can't discriminate based on medical history or pre-existing conditions, and lower-income citizens get government help in paying for their policies.
In this country, the Massachusetts health reform more or less follows the Swiss model; costs are running higher than expected, but the reform has greatly reduced the number of uninsured. And the most common form of health insurance in America, employment-based coverage, actually has some "Swiss" aspects: to avoid making benefits taxable, employers have to follow rules that effectively rule out discrimination based on medical history and subsidize care for lower-wage workers.
So where does Obamacare fit into all this? Basically, it's a plan to Swissify America, using regulation and subsidies to ensure universal coverage.
If we were starting from scratch we probably wouldn't have chosen this route. True "socialized medicine" would undoubtedly cost less, and a straightforward extension of Medicare-type coverage to all Americans would probably be cheaper than a Swiss-style system. That's why I and others believe that a true public option competing with private insurers is extremely important: otherwise, rising costs could all too easily undermine the whole effort.
But a Swiss-style system of universal coverage would be a vast improvement on what we have now. And we already know that such systems work.
So we can do this. At this point, all that stands in the way of universal health care in America are the greed of the medical-industrial complex, the lies of the right-wing propaganda machine, and the gullibility of voters who believe those lies.
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Show AllWell we already know who has won this public policy dispute--now we get to see how much the medical-industrial complex plans to run up the score.
Dr. Howard Dean is now blathering that we gotta have the public option for there to be meaningful reform. This is starting to resemble a WWF smack-down-tag-team wrestling championship.
With this kind of entertainment who needs TV?
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Jim Shea
Krugman's last paragraph describes the situation perfectly.
Nobody ever went wrong by underestimating the intelligence and the alertness of the American electorate.
Jim Shea: True what you say. In fact, people have gotten/are getting rich underestimating the intelligence of the American electorate.
There's no cure for stupidity.
"the greed of the medical-industrial complex, the lies of the right-wing propaganda machine, and the gullibility of voters who believe those lies."
All true, but one must also factor in the cowardice of Democratic Senators and Congress people who have spinelessly allowed Limbaugh's legions to disrupt their Town Hall meetings and generate hours of TV "news" propaganda.
Once the Democrats had gotten wind of what the Repugs were up to, they could easily have stopped it. Just require everyone entering a Town Hall to sign a Pledge of Civility. To wit:
"At the present town hall meeting I promise to conduct myself with civility and respect. As long as the congress person calls on audience members impartially, alternating between those of different views, I promise to speak only when called upon, for no more than one minute. I recognize that if I attempt to shout others down, or prevent them from speaking, that I will and should be removed from the premises."
A civil debate, which in our present state of mind has to be enforced, would inevitably favor real reform and a strong public option. But unfortunately, our Democratic leaders have allowed us to slide into the country of WB Yeats: "The best lack all conviction; the worst are full of passionate intensity." Or in more contemporary terms, if you "triangulate" with the Republican Mafia, they win.
One more remark for Jim. If you are serious about organizing people for change, you don't start out by calling them stupid. But it is true that the condition of our public debate is proof of the absolute failure of our system of education. Teaching for "the test" means that you are teaching people to follow the loudest and most persistent authority. Hence the victory of the corporate media.
jbentham
well, "we can do this"--but why should we? Measuring the success in Massachusetts by counting the decline in the number of uninsured is like measuring the success of Clinton's end to welfare as we knew it by counting the numbers of people no longer on the welfare rolls. The focus of true reform needs to be on the individuals who are covered by the Massachusetts bare-bones policies, the rationality of the levels at which the previously uninsured are able to be fully subsidized for their now-mandated expenses, the quality of care and the end to the constant hassling and denials when it comes to which care is allowed and which refused by the for-profit companies. (Just as the value of workfare radically depends on whether the training for jobs is available, single parents are provided with the childcare they need to train and to work, and the extent to which the punitive axe of end-of-lifetime-receivable-benefits falls without taking such factors, not to mention that of job availability, into account.
Thom Hartmann has in his latest article reiterated the brilliantly simple solution of making Medicare available to anyone who wants it, published on 8/17/09 by CommonDreams.org
in the form of a letter to Barack Obama, asking that we simply be able to buy into Medicare:
"Just pass a simple bill - it could probably be just a few lines, like when Medicare was expanded to include disabled people - that says that any American citizen can buy into the program at a rate to be set by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) which reflects the actual cost for us to buy into it.
"So it's revenue neutral!
"To make it available to people of low income, raise the rates slightly for all currently non-eligible people (like me - under 65) to cover the cost of below-200%-of-poverty people. Revenue neutral again."'
"Replace the 'you must be disabled or 65" with 'here's what it'll cost if you want to buy in, and here's the sliding scale of subsidies we'll give you if you're poor, paid for by everybody else who's buying in.'"
Hartmann allows as how rolling back the Reagan tax cuts could pay for the program (well, that might be a bit optimistic: we could drop our funding of one or two small wars as well, to guarantee its ultimate survival however many people decided to sign on; we might even be able to cover visitors and other non-citizens then.) He also recommends we plug those holes in Medicare that currently require the purchase of supplemental (read private for-profit) insurance, for which the government and the insurance company each demand a monthly fee from the Medicare recipient currently.
But Hartmann would be happy to see the first simple step of making Medicare available for all. And why not? With that we could cut to the chase: talking "public option" has been so thoroughly co-opted by the ranting right as to transform the term from a catch-all phrase meaning "something-not-run-by-the for-profits" to "a dirty-commie government-takeover" hobgoblin. We need a form of reform that is both non-coercive (Obama clearly recognized that from the start, with his insistence on not mandating individuals' participation) and actually improves the welfare of those who do choose to participate. Even town hall tea-baggers love their Medicare. We can do this--what an excellent place to start.
Hello Mr. Bentham,
What Krugman leaves out is that in Switzerland, unlike in Massachusetts, the private health insurance companies are required to be non-profit. That would be an improvement, although I would still prefer Canadian or French single payer which allows one to see any doctor anywhere.
I was watching NBC’s Meet the Press yesterday (Sunday, Aug. 16, 2009) When Republican Senator Tom Coburn, from Oklahoma, unleashed this pearl of stupidity about the healthcare debate:
“How many people that are involved in this debate are actually in the healthcare system? Very few.”
Here’s the context:
“MR. GREGORY: You said, however—this was a headline from The Washington Times, July 16th: “Coburn: Dem health plan will kill Americans.” Really?
SEN. COBURN: It will. Absolutely.
MR. GREGORY: Is that reasonable?
Sen. Coburn: There’s—yes, it is reasonable. That is—look, who—I still practice medicine almost every Monday, David. I see patients. How many people that are involved in this debate are actually in the healthcare system? Very few. The fact is, is if you create a comparative effectiveness board, which there’s no question 70 percent of the people it will help, and it will help control costs, but 30 percent of the people it’s going to hurt.”
The unstated assumption behind his quote is that the healthcare system exists for the benefit of Doctors, Hospitals, Health Insurance Companies and Big Pharma.
Patients, the overwhelming majority of those urging for healthcare reform, are not part of Senator Coburn’s healthcare system.
When reports surfaced that the Obama maladministration was "backing off" its "public option" requirement, I wondered how Paul Krugman would react.
Although AFAIK, there's no indication that Team Obama has a direct relationship with Krugman-- obviously he isn't a good fit for the banksters empowered by Obama to run the Treasury-- Krugman has long eschewed single-payer, and recommends an Obama-style alternative based on compulsory insurance with a "robust public option".
The notion of once more going to the common citizen's well to pump money into a system set up to keep corporations fat and happy, AFTER billions of dollars in transfusions to keep Wall Street fat and happy, doesn't seem to trouble Krugman.
So he's continued to take the "half-full" view crediting Obama's perceived good-faith attempt to break through a sticky web of political taboo-- offering caveats and criticisms, true, but still supporting the concept.
I'm interested to see whether Krugman will finally admit that Obama's health care debacle was always a sham and a scam, or whether even with no public option, he'll merely BEGIN to question (as Cenk Uygur does elsewhere on this site) whether Obama is a charlatan and a fraud.
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Well, I got my answer! Not surprising, maybe not even a "blooper", but still mildly disappointing. Ever the "half-full" moderate, Krugman reacts to Team Obama's latest moving of the goalposts (into the opponent's locker room) with equanimity and optimism.
To be fair, Krugman didn't win a Nobel Prize for Personal Integrity.
· Yr Obd't Servant
As to underestimating the voter stupidity - O did get 52% of the vote. Pretty stupid!
Most of you are now waking up to how stupid your vote for O was.
The Country in the aggregate gets the Pres it wants at given time. Our salvation is in our size - geographic, demographic and population.
Extremes cancel out each other.
What's wrong w/Swiss model? People covered by basic ins, Ins Co regulated about pre existings, dropping coverage ..... all those sins Progressives rail against.
Single payer dead, public option dead, move on to Swiss after all they make the trains run time, watches and chocolate.
Though neutral not defenseless as they have one of the very best trained and equipped armies.
I perhaps aught to retract my earlier comment about stupidity. Perhaps even a stupid person would realize most time when s/he's getting screwed. We, sadly, are beyond stupid, and I'm not sure what the word for that state is...
Having often and apparently alone railed against the American obsession with natural science and mathematics at the expense of the humanities, I offer up Cran Shaws August's "essay" as an example of why the United States needs a reemphasis on writing, both in sentence structure and coherence.
"I offer up Cran Shaws August's 'essay'... "
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I don't disagree, but NB "August" is the date, not part of Cran Shaws nym.
It's not your fault; it's poor layout that's persisted after upgrades. I've always thought the date should be moved to the right hand margin.
Against comments bugs & features the lesser gods contend in vain-- and at their peril, alas!
· Yr Obd't Servant
You left out "cuckoo clocks".
· Yr Obd't Servant
cuckcoo clocks are from the Balck Forest, i.e. Germany...
...and so are the lederhosen (Bavaria), Mr Krugmann!!
When I was a child in West Germany in the early 1950s, cuckoo clocks did too originate in Switzerland and lederhosen were worn by all men, at least along the German length of the Rhine.
Rainborowe
"...a straightforward extension of Medicare-type coverage to all Americans..."
We'll call it The American Public Care Trust Fund. APCTF.
Every American not in Medicare pays $40/month - that's 250 million citizens x $40 = $10 billion/month, $120 billion/year.
Invested via the Buffet or GSachs system, that should return another $15 billion/year for a total of $135 billion/year.
For that kind of dough, we can easily jump right to a walk in, get treated, sign something, walk out universal health care system. As a matter of fact, once waste, fraud, corruption, and all that cash spent on lobbying and media advertising is eliminated, we'll have universal care with change left over.
PK reports that costs are 40% lower per person in Britain. The average private single policy here is $1,200/year. Half of that is $600/year. $40/monthx250M persons pretty much covers that.
The average employee now 'contributes" $800/year to their work plan, plus they have a deductible of at least $500. That's $1,300/year. What worker wouldn't want full universal health care for less than half of just that amount per year?
'Our' government would act as both an accounts receivable dept. and regulator/watchdog. The vast majority of med bills would sail through no problem - most docs and hospitals are actually honest, and the APCTF is basically a Cost-Plus system: you go to the dentist, he submits a bill, it's reviewed for accuracy, and paid net 30. The few who aren't would be weeded out and squashed, i.e. the dentist who submits the $500 bill for a cleaning.
5% guaranteed profit across the board - which is 3% more than any supermarket.
Doc, hospital and drug maker profits would instantly surge do to the 75 million or so new 'customers' who can now seek health care without worrying about bankruptcy.
Health ins. companies would either survive by selling other kinds of insurance, or disappear. So what?
Employers out of the equation, saving an average of $3500/year per employee.
So: under the new APCTF, workers would save half of what they are currently spending for their work insurance, we would all have walk in, walk out coverage; and docs, hospitals and drug makers would all be earning much more... all for less than you pay for cableTV per month.
Everyone covered is the only answer, and we all know it.
Ther is far too little information at this point to say this is a "Swiss Style" system - or if such a system is appropriate for the US. I suspect the Swiss system is much more genreous in subusdies for lower incomes than any US system being proposed be. No doubt there are also mandated cost controls too.
There is also the question as to whether the Swiss system will work for the far larger proportion of poor people than Switzerland.
I was surprised to see that PK didn't mention that insurance companies providing the mandatory health care in Switzerland had to be non-profit. (Insurance companies providing "Super" care, like boob jobs and penile enhancements and such, can make a profit.) It's hard to see Obama getting that through Congress. Correction, it's hard to see Obama even thinking of trying.
pjd412 raises an interesting point about the greater degree of poverty in the US as opposed to Switzerland. Or in the US than anywhere else in the industrialized world.
Rainborowe
Stephen Hawking is a miracle of both medical care and self will. He's had ALS, (Lou Gehrig's or motor neurone disease) for over 45 years while most patients die within 5 years of onset.
One fundamental difference between Switzerland and the United States, which Mr. Krugman ignored, is that every Canton is responsible to care for elderly persons that were born in that Canton. Any Swiss person older than, I believe, 65 can return to his/her Canton and expect a bevy of public services. In such a social but non-socialist environment it is not difficult to develop a health program-for-all at a reasonable cost.
The States of our country have no responsibility for persons born in that state which come even close to the Swiss system. Whatever the Obama administration cooks up, it will not even resemble Switzerland in a yodel.
That would be nice: turn 65, move into a modest Baltimore rowhouse (maybe Mt. Vernon or Fells Point) and have Annapolis take care of the rest.
Crownsnest,
what you are referring to is the "three-staged citizenship principle" in Switzerland - i.e. a Swiss citizen is a citizen of (1) his/her community, (2) canton and (3)the Federation. It is actually the community (=Gemeinde, not the canton) that ultimately cares for the citizen.
This however, comes from the times before the modern social securities were established and is therefore outdated. And it has nothing to do with the contemporary health insurance regime in Switzerland.
Why not impose a general obligation for U.S. residents to join a health care insurance and the rest is state law...?
I think it's time for Paul Krugman to take a vacation. A very, very long vacation. he has become a dunderhead.
Krugman: "At this point, all that stands in the way of universal health care in America are the greed of the medical-industrial complex, the lies of the right-wing propaganda machine, and the gullibility of voters who believe those lies."
Oh... is THAT all...
I had the same reaction, if there were flame breathing dragons and the beasts from “The Lord of the Rings” blocking healthcare reform we'd have a better chance of real reform.
When you read claptrap like that, it's hard to believe the guy got a Nobel prize.
Krugman for a cappie isn't a bad economist, but man he's really gone off the reservation on this health care thing. Slowly watering his opinion down over many months.
It is easy to predict which insurance plan will emerge from Washington. That plan that provides the greatest benefit to the insurance companies, drug companies, and health providers will edge out all competitors. These jackals are all salivating at the possibility of mandated insurance, especially if the Federal government will be paying part of the health insurance premiums.
Forget Medicare extension, single payer in its various forms, or the UK system. Forget a "robust" public option. When the smoke settles, the aforementioned parties will be rollin' in the dough happily dispensed by you and me and the government. And--you know what?--folks will still be going bankrupt over medical bills and avoiding seeing the doctor because of outrageous fees.
the prof agreed steven is a extremely important person for
myriad reasons. his will is utterly spectacular to be alive
for alive as long as he has been with als is beyond comprehend
son . i saw him speak at brown university some 20 odd years ago.
i was nerd in denial and never graded according to my
intellect. after steven i became interested in almost
anything that crossed my path and my curiosity is much
greater then ever before! thank you steven for making
a difference in my life.there are number of physicists
who are regarded more highly then steven and the degree
of difficulty that besets him as he ages makes it patently
unfair in making these comparisons!
the prof agreed steven is a extremely important person for
myriad reasons. his will is utterly spectacular to be alive
for alive as long as he has been with als is beyond comprehend
son . i saw him speak at brown university some 20 odd years ago.
i was nerd in denial and never graded according to my
intellect. after steven i became interested in almost
anything that crossed my path and my curiosity is much
greater then ever before! thank you steven for making
a difference in my life.there are number of physicists
who are regarded more highly then steven and the degree
of difficulty that besets him as he ages makes it patently
unfair in making these comparisons!
I read an account of Hawking's life a few years ago and, according to friends of his, he only really got stuck into his research after he got ALS. I think that his enthusiasm for what he does and having good medical care is probably more important than a will to live. And I don't like this modern trick of putting the responsibility for living or not living onto the patient--as the surgeon of one of the very early heart transplants put it: "The patient did not fulfil his wellness potential." Meaning he died and it was his fault. But the surgeon came up with another volunteer who was, he said, "A fighter!" So the fighter fought (and we had pictures of him fighting away on a treadmill and sundry other torturous machines) but he, too, "failed to fulfil his wellness potential" and also died due, of course, to his own negligence.
Rainborowe
Writing as former "gast arbeiter" (2 & 1/2 years in the Swiss watch business), I got to experience the Swiss system up close and personal when I broke my leg in two places during a soccer game. Needless to write, it was a much better experience than any I have had as an adult in the American dysfunction that has the gall to call itself a health care system. What is apparently emerging is not even close to what exists in Switzerland (which is one of the more conservative countries in Europe)...and that is a tragedy that will haunt the USA for many years to come.
Cappie economist Paul Krugman has been watering his position down slowly over a period of months. You can go back in his archives and read where he said nothing short of single payer will help us emerge from our death-trap 16% medical care GDP spending.
Now it's "No public option? No problem!"
I suspect Krugman got kneecapped by the Obama administration. Either that, or the health care lobby passed him a check for a cool couple of million to keep him quiet.
From the article,
"If we were starting from scratch we probably wouldn't have chosen this route. True "socialized medicine" would undoubtedly cost less, and a straightforward extension of Medicare-type coverage to all Americans would probably be cheaper than a Swiss-style system. That's why I and others believe that a true public option competing with private insurers is extremely important: otherwise, rising costs could all too easily undermine the whole effort."
Well said. Krugman isn't compromising his position, he's adding comment to the position that is most likely. This country is scr*wed without single payer, but, if Obama/Congress insist...
In the 1990s I had experienced in the evening and while attempting to sleep the incredible pain that accompanies a kidney stone attack. In the morning I called my supervisor asking if she would drive me to the hospital. While in the emergency room [this took place in South Florida], and doubled over in pain, the person at the desk told me to wait until my name was called. That wait lasted for an hour [even though no one in that room seemed to be in severe discomfort and no one had been admitted with gun shot wounds]. To add insult to injury, when I was finally able to see a doctor, he told me, with a smile on his face, and after I somehow managed to lie down, that I was mispronouncing the word writhing when attempting to describe the pain that I was in.
Apparently I should have realized in the fog of agony that I was in how to properly pronounce every word when describing my condition to that neanderthal of a doctor. As much as I fervently desire that a single payer system finally takes root in this country, I doubt that one can legislate or mandate that doctors treat their patients with the respect that they deserve especially when those patients happen to be in the most extreme pain that one [and especially a doctor] could imagine being in.
One Sisyphean boulder at a time, Erroll!
(The reference is to legislating compassionate care, not kidney stones.) ;)
· Yr Obd't Servant
Krugman is a liar and a sellout ...
First we won't get the "Swiss Plan" ... not for profit health insurance companies. That is NOT what is on the table and he knows it ...
The sell out part ... refer to the first paragraph ...
Blair -
Considering questionable Nobels.
Consider that Carter and Gore received Nobels too!
End of a noble idea?
Non-profit doesn't mean lower pricing of anything.
The current for profit health ins co could separate their health biz under a non-profit tax structure and carry on.
Competition make for better price and service.
Remove the States from health ins regulation and create a national market with singular specifications for all Co's that want to compete. Then get out of the way.
Carter and Gore got the Nobel PEACE prize. The Peace Prize is unrelated in anything but the name to the other Nobel prizes; it's given by a Norwegian body while the other prizes are given by the Swedish Academy of Arts and Sciences and they reward excellence in various branches of the arts and sciences. The Peace prize has a tendency to reflect the political preferences of the people awarding it; the other Nobels are rigorously academic.
Rainborowe
How the Swiss do it:
http://www.vote.org/fossedal
Sure - such systems work if you have a population of well-educated and moral White people. Just as public anything works. And just as public anything FAILS when you have a population like in LA. You can stamp your feet and try to deny it, but you won't find any real world example that counters what I say. And that was your point....bringing up real world examples....right?
Here Krugman misses badly.
0's bill, as amended, forces purchase but does not provide care or limit extortion.
Tax burdens would shift from those who can purchase, probably to be offset by printing $$.
Krugman compares the States to Switzerland, an economy with benefits for residents and citizens and relatively little domestic inequity and iniquity.
That's an apples-to-cores comparison.
Pelosi & Baucuss will not set the table here: they are flailing and likely know it.
American voters favor single payer. Granted the most substantial mandate in recent years, the Demned will lose big in '10 and in '12 if they continue to give nothing.
The only chance the Demned have of staying in office and not passing a health bill with a legitimate public option is to pass a bogus insurance bill without a public option.
Can it. Support those Democrats and other progressives who have refused to pass the bill through the house.
Kill it, and let's move towards single payer.
So, single payer will work in a system you yourself say has more inequity in it???? Your premises don't support your conclusion.