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The Attack of the Useful Idiots
You almost have to laugh at the idea of the “marketplace of ideas” when you hear the vast majority of today’s talk radio. What functions in that forum is not a marketplace, but a virtual monopoly — an echo chamber of the same points over and over, where lies and distortions are both commodity and currency.
Of course, the customers and hucksters of right-wing radio would argue that it is in fact a marketplace — it’s just that there is very little market for liberal views. That may be true, although one suspects that the market is attended not by shoppers who want to sample various wares but instead by those who are strictly brand-loyal. It is apparent that these people are uninterested in hearing anything that may challenge their worldview, and thus they amount to a very good market niche for anyone willing to lie to them.
If this seems simplistic, consider the level of “discourse” offered by those who have disrupted the recent town hall meetings on health care. Not only do they not want to hear much about health care, they apparently don’t want to hear anything at all except their own whining and shouting about “taking back our country,” obeying the Constitution and decrying government control, etc.
Some have argued that these protesters are “Astroturf” — fake grass-roots groups bused in for the purpose of shutting down debate. That may be so, but it doesn’t really matter, because there can be no doubting their sincerity. These people may be a minority of voters, and they may not fully understand the issues. But can there be any doubt that these are the same people who fervently believe in the right-wing shouting points heard daily on the radio all over America? They may not be mainstream, but they are real and they must be heard. Just ask them (or don’t — they will gladly shout at you anyway). They have been taught for 30 years or more now that their liberties are being stolen by nefarious traitors and liberals, and that they must fight back or lose their guns, livelihoods, neighborhoods — even their lives. So, when they come to these gatherings, they display a rather telling demeanor — they apparently think these town hall meetings are just another version of right-wing radio. They have no basis for separating normal civil conversation from the daily diatribes of the seemingly endless parade of charlatans, fools, liars and dupes who pass for commentators in every city, town, village and hamlet in the country.
On a recent drive along the East Coast, I listened to dozens of AM (and sometimes FM) talk radio stations in an effort to educate myself about the state of political commentary on public airwaves. Occasionally I could hear the views of an Ed Schultz or the weak signals of an Air America affiliate, but the vast, vast majority of time was filled with endless rantings that often are fact-free but full of ideological contentions (notions that we must be wary of “government takeover” of health care, “socialism,” Nazi-ism and union and ACORN chicanery).
We’re not talking about only the usual Limbaughs, O’Reillys, Hannities, Becks and Savages. Many of these rightist radio hosts are local; others are syndicated to a few markets. For the first time, I heard a pairing from Pittsburgh called Quinn & Rose, who spent at least an hour hammering the “cash for clunkers” program and speculating about President Obama’s citizenship. During breaks I searched in vain for other views. It’s not that Quinn & Rose don’t have the right to say and believe whatever they like; it’s simply that in this medium, there have become almost no other choices.
A bit later in my trip I heard Limbaugh furiously insulting Nancy Pelosi, who had commented on health care protesters bringing Swastikas to the town hall meetings. She wasn’t implying these people were Nazis; instead, she obviously didn’t feel this was an appropriate symbol to bring to an American political discussion on health care. But of course, Limbaugh was in full-bore, saying she opened the door to comparisons of Nazi-ism to liberalism and socialism. In this, Limbaugh showed his trust in Nazi propaganda. (The Nazis were “National Socialists,” you see, which means they were socialists, because of course the Nazis would never lie about who they were or what they represented.)
It was Lenin who supposedly coined the term “useful idiots,” to describe liberal Westerners who were so naïve as to support the Soviet Union. That was probably an apt description for many of them. But the term today could also apply to those town-hall shouters who have been misled for a generation by the endless noise machine of the right. They often argue against their own well being, against policies they in fact use and support (Medicare, for example), at the behest of millionaires who dominate corporate-controlled public airwaves (through Clear Channel, for example) to serve the interests of for-profit bureaucrats who stand between them and their doctors.
When Lenin used the term, a “useful idiot” seemed like a mild dupe, an irritant to Soviets as well as to those in the West who fought Soviet tyranny. Now, we are faced with people who think Barack Obama is a tyrant, who believe he is out to dismantle America and destroy the economy to replace it with socialism. Never mind the fact that under Obama’s secret plan to destroy capitalism he continued the same Bush policies that gave billions to banks and the auto industry; never mind that destroying the economy might, I don’t know, slightly injure his very intense desire to get re-elected.
You see, today’s useful idiots aren’t your father’s useful idiots — they are much more disturbing. They fear that Obama’s policies might lead to socialist bailouts of big banks and the car companies, or to a compromising of liberties, or to spying on citizens, or to an optional war, or to huge deficits, or to the spectre of the Justice Department firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons. Oh, wait. That’s what Bush did.
In other words, they fear things that might happen, not the things that already did, under the people they voted for. They fear the very things they supported. And now they are screaming at town hall meanings, wondering what happened to the America they thought they knew. And after the meetings, they go back to their radios or satellite receivers, trying to find the answers to the questions they should have asked for the last eight years. Of course, they can always change the channel — in order to hear the exact same views.
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Show All"Cockroaches! Kill the cockroaches!", said hate talk radio in Rwanda as the genocide got under way. The same murderous trash (this time Americans) have now mainstreamed the same murderous venom in this country. Keep it up long enough and combine it with a boatload of misfortune and the same thing will happen here. Thank you, Barack Obama, for your stellar and unwavering support of constitutional rule and individual freedom. You may not have wanted to be president under these circumstances but you are. You will be remembered by history principally for your cowardice.
Right wing media succeeds becasue a lie repeated 3 times and unchallenged becomes a fact. Since the right wing owns most of the US media there is little opportunity to challenge their lies.
Many of the lies are repeated at least 3 times per day, many have been repeated for the past 30 years.
@ raydelcamino August 13th, 2009 12:11 pm, you're right, but a component of this right-wing propaganda war is what Hitler's 'spin doctor' Josef Goebbels called the Big Lie -- a lie so stunning and outrageous that most people can't believe anyone would make something that vile up. 'Death Panels' for old folks and the handicapped would be a good example of this technique at work. As Goebbels said, the bigger the lie, the easier it is for some -- the ignorant 'useful idiot' teabaggers and birthers -- to believe, and it needs no detailed explanation, which would only confuse them. "Obama's gonna kill your grandma!" is perfect for their purposes, as is "Obama is just like Hitler!" Expect to hear much more of this in the coming months -- eventually it will culminate in Obama selling white women into sex slavery overseas to feed his crack addiction, after raping them in the Oval Office.
Sioux Rose
RSJ & RV: Great points!
Capitalism has been the tool which has been used to bring down democracy. America is a failed state, a banana republic of enormous size where the rich and powerful play the peons like a cheap fiddle. Those who run, and have always run, this country have for years underfunded education, encouraged bigotry, started wars, and lied about their activities in a very successful attempt to maintain their control over our resources, our money and our lives. The useful idiots have been manufactured and encouraged for years, and now they cheerfully support their own, and the rest of our, demise. The only question now is whether climate change or stupidity will kill us first.
I vote for stupidity.
Don't forget nuclear weapons, bioweapons, and artificial intelligence. As the elite predators take their risks and make their gambles in their competition to dominate the globe, they show little concern for the future welfare of humanity or even for human survival.
I am taking that as another vote for stupidity...
For the last 60 years, both political parties have been underwritten by a conspiracy theory given out by both government and media sources: the communist conspiracy. Now conspiracy has become the routine explanation for everything because the public still realizes it is oppressed, but it cannot evoke class in its arguments, lest it become part of that communist conspiracy. This leaves only conspiracies of Jews or Masons or Aliens in a plot without any shred of evidence...and like Armageddon it is always almost upon us and for the faithful the signs are all around growing year by year, decade be decade, century by century, millenia by millenia, eon by eon...lather, rinse, repeat.
Any nation that cedes control of its mass communications media to powerful interests has pretty much lost any hope for the informed consent that is the heart and soul of true democracy. It's certainly no accident that (re)capturing broadcast facilities has always been a primary objective of any and all revolutionary movements regardless of their political color or stripe.
The major problem in the U.S. is that, while it's clearly possible to cede control via legislative actions, the same powerful interests also dominate that process making it virtually impossible to regain control via the same route.
It's time to dissolve this dis-union. East Coast, West Coast and the Muddle.
“What happened to the American they knew?”
They may not actually articulate it but what they really mean is that they are angry at the fact that they (white people) are losing control. They are reeling from the shock of the Trifecta:
1. A black President
2. A Jew as Chief of Staff
3. A new Latina women on the Supreme Court
And the liberals only see surface deep...
Thinking that one's ethnicity trumps their ideology...
The "bleeding-heart" liberals don't mind if they are corporatists...
Just as long as minorities are represented in the halls of power...
It is racist to judge someone based on their skin color, rather than the content of their character...
Now minority youths can aspire to be like Obama, Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Joe Lieberman, or Raum Emanuel...
They can grow up to be war criminals too, now that the color barrier has been broken...
God Bless America... The land of equal opportunity for opportunists to exploit their equals...
There's a great line in an old Pearl Jam song: "If you hate somethin', don't you do it too". Unfortunately, it seems that minorities, once in power, seem to be no better than the white guys they always complained about. So in one regard, it's good, because they prove that in fact we ARE all equal, in good AND bad qualities.
Of course we're all equal. You just be careful to notice that we have all these racial/cultural/gender differences so those ones with the REALLY defective genes can conquer us while we quibble amongst ourselves.
Sioux Rose
GOLDEN MEAN: Your points are well-taken and in my mind show how powerful the marketplace "ethos" and its emphasis on PACKAGING--i.e. the outer contents--has become.
Years ago I knew a man (he is a millionaire many times over) who offered me first dibs on an Amway style marketing scheme. I asked what I was to be selling? His answer, "That's not important." He just wanted me to get in on the ground floor. I tend to give things away, am not much into sales; but it amused me that he could care less about what the actual PRODUCT was! The scheme was all, and my potential place in its intended pyramid was the lure he utilized to get me in on it!
The right-wingers project their own faults upon society at large.
They think Obama is going to set up a panel of government bureaucrats who will decide which people will receive health care and which will be allowed to die.
In their minds they think that their elderly parents will be refused health care. On the other hand were they to decide who would be deigned health care it would be homosexuals, unwed mothers, hippies and racial minorities.
I am starting to hear more about people trying to understand and communicate with people who don't seem to share their politics. Not on this article or comments of course, but it does feel like a more reasoned approach is getting more popular. Not an approach to explain opponents- and eventually ignore/discount them or re-educate them, but recognizing that they are actual people, and not evil people, and people with actual moral motivations.
See, a great reason why these "shouters" get pissed off at "liberals" is because liberals will immediately discount that person's argument or emotion or moral perspective. Kinda like the "shouters" do.
The big motivating factor is that people are very scared and very angry. Talk-radio seems to know this quite well. Liberals don't seem to be offering any alternative outlet for that fear and anger.
Are people more afraid then they were even 20 years ago? I cannot answer that, but I do no that the shear amount of media input into our lives has greatly increased in my lifetime. there are more points in the day, from more sources, that tell me to be afraid, or that I'm not good enough- usually to sell a product, but also to sell an ideology.
If you do not address someone's anger and fear first, you simply will not get anywhere (and by address I don't suggest control). Just because they do not access information, does not mean they are stupid.
getting back to talk radio- if we the people were able to reframe some of the debate (of transfering that fear and anger from against the liberals/socialists/goverment/other to against the corporations) then the talk-radio would be under a lot of pressure to conform to the desires of the listening audience. So, calling in and NOT dismissing people's emotions and NOT trying to re-educate listners (which translates to many as dismissing their politics and also calling them stupid) but setting a new target to hate at. That's more along the lines of re-directing their emotions on a more constructive focus (i.e. something not against their self-interests).
on a similiar note, I always like to say to the "nazi" argument that the Nazi's actually killed many of the democratic socialists in germany. We have to break the link in the myth from helping your neighbor to socialism to nazi to communist to big goverment will steal my everything and enslave me.
One problem is that the liberals keep trying to reason with the unreasonable. They haven't mastered the emotionally manipulative strategies that the right has been applying successfully for decades.
Study Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar" for how various factions make use of the mob to establish their power. It's quite instructive. There's nothing but contempt for the many-headed unwashed, but they're a useful tool in times of conflict.
Perhaps liberals are too idealistic about the Common Man.
Since, for understandable reasons, most liberals and progressives I know avoid reading or listening to the right wing media, they also fail to realize how wide and deep a cesspool of lies and disinformation many/most of their neighbors are immersed in on a near daily basis. If this is pointed out, the usual response is one of dismissal and that right wing media is the terrain of the stupid, failing to ponder how serious a matter this really is and what it portends. If the Nazi propaganda masters could see/hear what the US corporate right media system produces and its ability to blanket much of the population in its deceptions, they would be stunned and amazed. These weapons of mass deception have been a central part of the unravelling of representative self governing people. A goal which the rich and powerful who paid for and promulgated the right wing media machine set out to achieve. They have indeed produced a vast number of "useful idiots".
Sioux Rose
COURTJESTER: Well-stated. I live among "these" people and Fox is like the Bible to them. If I were to daringly pose a rhetorical question to them, make even the most polite reference to what WE know (here on CD) to be true, they would dismiss me. They are utterly convinced, and when a mind is brain-washed, it has no interest in any further "cleanser." Truth would not be recognized. They know on a visceral level that something is wrong. They know of troops who returned in bad shape, that their savings aren't worth what they worked to earn; but they are being very carefully aimed, like human poison arrows, at the wrong, inappropriate targets. This campaign of bait and switch, and then a purposeful misdirect of perceptions is an art form. Unfortunately it serves "the dark side" and is absolutely well-funded.
I was a frequent radio guest throughout Florida before Clear Channel (Born Again Christian, Republican, authoritarian) bought up all the big city markets. I have not been on any radio show here since l995. My experience, although with content (and my guest appearances were always well-received, phones lit up, people called the station afterwards looking for me, asking when I'd be on again) is not unlike the reception the Dixie Chicks received for a rather innocuous statement. Marginalizing dissent, making alternatives disappear, taking Truth off the radar are powerful strategies when population control is the goal.
A real thinker is:
If the audience of right-wing talk radio eventually changed their (whatever), would the radio execs change their format/content? What about all those local shows?
Well, if the right-wing folks have the talk radio, the other side has an effective counter-measure: a presidential speech/address on the issue of health care that will no doubt be aired on all the networks/news channels.
I personally think it is the best way to respond. A speech where Obama states the facts, all these statistics about the rank of the U.S. health system among the "western/industrial" nations. It will not harm to mention in passing the "Stephen Hawking" incident.
He should specifically say that these people who are disrupting the debates/townhall meetings are being misled by ideologues who are outright lying to them about the issue. They are being used in a political game the right-wingers are playing to assert their lost popularity. That they are in fact threatening their own well being and their children's future by listening to such "non-sense".
He should talk to these people as if they are children with a tantrum, with a tone that carries the "shame on you" and "grow up" message.
Of course the zealots on the right will not be moved by that speech, but they are a lost cause anyways. However, it may help the ones on the fence (by the way, I still do not understand how can there be someone on the fence on this issue, this culture of the "undecideds" needs to go!).
Obama needs to speak up and be firm on this issue, the people can take whatever side they want but the way the right-wing is acting should not be excused and needs to be exposed. Do not let the lies propagate without a response.
A wake up call akin to a slap on the face that simply states the truth of the horrible condition of the U.S. health system.
Re OberonSky August 13th, 2009 2:35 pm
What you suggest ("A speech where Obama states the facts...") might work if O'Bummer sincerely wanted to improve the nation's health care system---but he doesn't. One of the facts he won't state is that the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office has never been instructed to do a cost/benefit analysis of adopting HR676, such analyses being CBO's bread and butter work ordinarily.
What he really wants is to soothe the Great Beast (us) before it half-awakens from its fitful slumber and bites him in the a$$, while leaving the real problem (profit-gouging by Big Insco/Big Pharm and the AMA) unaddressed and, therefore, unchanged (see headline article "Internal Memo Confirms..." for most recent example).
Actually, GR isn't entirely correct.
There's a ton of 'liberal' radio out there - it's called music.
See, us progs and libs hate being told who to hate and what to think. Plus, we tend to believe our theories and solutions are 'common sense,' and, hence, have no need to have said theories and solutions reinforced by some drugged radio-ranter.
The majority of rock, hip-hop, R+B, and even folk music is about real freedom and embracing change and resisting authority and enjoying life, etc - IOW, prog and lib points of view.
We'd rather hear Lennon "Imagine" or that The Boss is "Born to Run" than a liberal Limbaugh yelling and screaming when we're driving...
Meanwhile, here's a tip for the Dems: start advertising on right-wing radio and FOX, etc. If your ad dollars are refused, hold a press conference, and then keep trying to buy ad time, and hold a press conference every single time ads are refused, w/heavy emphasis on the whole 'freedom of speech' thing. Also try to buy space on as many right-wing websites as possible.
That's called going on the offensive.
I marvel at the audacity of George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, and other right-wing "Christians" who believe lies - destructive polarizing lies - are a form of justice.
"weapons of mass destruction"
"death panels"
"Levi and Bristol growing up"
"Obama has a deep seated hatred for white people"
As another right-winger says, "Gimme a Break!"
Radio and TV broadcasters seek income from sponsor supported programing.
The political right appears to dominate AM radio with the possible exceptions of Ed Shapiro (?) in Chicago (?) and Jim Hightower TX (?). Wasn't Al Franken on some political left radio program?
Surely there is enough money on the left to promote and sustain progressive politics on the AM band. The majority that elected "O" and the current congress would surely support it. With listenership will come profitable sponsors.
On the FM side, NPR does a good job of promoting progressive ideas.
Don't give up, right wing radio didn't just appear as it now is.
Pacifica has NPR beat all ways.
This is a must read for all US citizens!
http://www.healthcare-now.org/
Reel: "after the meetings, they go back to their radios or satellite receivers, trying to find the answers to the questions they should have asked for the last eight years. "
For the last 30 years. But back then it was morning in America, and morning in their lives, and a tall cowboy was bringing America back from the brink of long-haired, marijuana smoking, decadence. All he needed was $3 trillion dollars...
I'm always amazed and entertained when liberals try to explain away their pathetic ineptness at talk radio success.
Obviously the oh-bwama victory means there is a large portion of the voting public that feels sympathetic to liberal policies. (well unless they were duped or moronically ignorant).
So if the consumers are there, then that can only mean 1 of 2 things.
1) There is a problem with the message (most likely IMHO).
2) Problem with liberal listeners.
Oh , lets go ahead and dispel that ridiculous notion that liberals don't need coaching, or education on the mental gymnastics required for liberal positions because liberals are all free thinkers.
Yeah right, so how come you almost all sound alike and take the same tired old positions?
Liberal idiotology is a learned mode of thought.
and
PUHLEEZE don't be so DISHONEST as to claim talk radio success would not be useful in getting your message and causes heard along with the offering of mutual support.
I mean if you want to make a claim similar to that , then you INVALIDATE the reason for this commondweebs website, daily kos , and others.
BTW: When liberals finally grow-up they become conservatives or libertarians.
Now that's REAL progress.
“So if the consumers are there, then that can only mean 1 of 2 things.
1) There is a problem with the message (most likely IMHO).
2) Problem with liberal listeners.”
In the unlikely event you can count to three...
Or it could be that most of America’s major corporations have a policy to NOT ADVERTISE on liberal radio programs. That policy was verified a couple of years ago when a memo was leaked from an advertising agency that listed 97 MAJOR CORPORATIONS THAT DID NOT WANT ANY OF THEIR ADS AIRED ON AIR AMERICA RADIO.
That's clearly a problem with the message, #1.
Don't blame the rationality of corporations for your ineptness.
Not having anybody that successfully provides products and services to listeners wanting to adverise should give you a hint but oh no blame someone else for your failures.
Anyway what you have described is not an absence of advertisers but value pricing discount per listener if you losers really had the people who wanted to hear your swill.
Businesses love discounts, inevitably the price would make sense for somebody.
I don't recall a line in the memo that read "Don't run any of my ads on Air America Radio...until the price goes down." The ad price didn't have a damn thing to do with the policies of these corporations; these policies were entirely about politics.
For that matter Rush Limbaugh had the exact same problem in the early years of his program, advertisers were afraid his right-wing politics would be a bigger negative than the positive results of advertising on the Rush Limbaugh Show...until a little regional beverage company bought some ads.
Snapple was a regional beverage sold in only a few states in New England until their ad campaign on Limbaugh’s show (which, due to a lack of demand, was a bargain).
Limbaugh personally endorsed Snapple and urged his listeners to request it if their local stores did not stock it.
The Dittoheads took Limbuagh’s endorsement to heart and started asking for Snapple across the country. Snapple rapidly grew into a national brand soft drink and the owners sold it to the Quaker Oats Company for 1.7 billion dollars in 1994.
Quaker Oats stopped advertising on the Rush Limbaugh show, the Dittoheads demand for Snapple declined and the Quaker Oats Company sold Snapple for only three hundred million dollars in 1997.
The rationality of corporations is fascism. Period.
Why would a corporation want to advertise on an outlet that routinely points out the less-than-noble motives and actions of those same corporations. As my grandmother said, "Don't nurse the snake that killed your baby."
You missed a big point dweebs: Ownership of radio stations. As Thom Hartman, Ed Schultz, Bill Press, and others will tell you, WHEN their stations are allowed to compete, they beat out right-wing radio almost all the time.
Unfortunately, ideology trumps profit for the mostly conservative owners of the stations that allow them on. So for example, in Wash DC, Bill Press was on, and beating all others. The conservative corporate owner of the network decided to replace his show with a Sports talk show, of which there were already several in the broadcast area.
And btw, the older I get, the more liberal I become, because I realize more and more everyday that Love beats Hate. Movement Conservatism is nothing more than channeled and organized hate, plain and simple. I dare you to watch Bird Cage and Pleasantville 3 times each!
Conservatism , Libertarianism and Capitalism do not mean hate and liberalism is not the embodiment of love, that's just infantile emotion based thinking.
Today's wing-nut conservatism, self-centered libertarianism, and crony corporate capitalism are based on fear, lies, and hate. If it wasn't for infantile, emotional-based thinking they would have nothing. Those ideologies in 21st century USA absolutely rely on such infantile thinking. Liberals, being less authoritarian and having more compassion, are difficult to pin down, pigeonhole, or organize, as we see here. The ability to replace rationale, compassionate thought with channeled hatred and fear is the main reason why the right has adherents, even to the point of fighting vehemently against their own best interests.
No conservative policy in 50 years has improved the human condition in America. Fear, bigotry, and hatred are the reasons. Ronald Reagan handed this country over to the privileged rich on the backs of working Americans, and they cheered him for it. Today's failures are a direct result of the Big Lie that was Morning in America.
Sioux Rose
WC DEVINS: Excellent insights & analysis. Thank you for bringing your acumen into this forum.
@ Common-dweebs August 13th, 2009 5:50 pm, actually you're repeating a well-worn myth. Liberal talk radio does quite well when presented opposite the right-wing loudmouths. Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, and other progressive talkers have beaten Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly in head-to-head ratings in many areas. The problem is, as it was on TV until the arrival of Keith Olbermann, that programming directors and general managers believe the same myth you're spouting, so they don't pick up liberal syndicated shows. Of course, there is also the fact that the large coporations that control most of American radio broadcasting are owned by right-wing Republicans.
This problem may soon be solved, however, as ad revenues for right-wing media are down by a massive 40 percent and the market is saturated with RW talkers vying for the same audience. The average age of the audience for the Noise Machine is 67, and they aren't capturing the advertiser-coveted 18 to 34-year-old demo. Add to that the fact that the listeners to the Limbaughs and Fox News are less educated and have less disposable income than the audience for progressive media, and you have a recipe for a collapse in the right-wing talkers market. Corporations, no matter what the political bent of their heads, will always go with what makes money -- which is why Olbermann is still on the air.
rsj{Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, and other progressive talkers have beaten Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly in head-to-head ratings in many areas.}
Really got any proof of that?
RSJ;(This problem may soon be solved, however, as ad revenues for right-wing media are down by a massive 40 percent)
ONCE AGAIN PROOF?
RSJ:( Add to that the fact that the listeners to the Limbaughs and Fox News are less educated and have less disposable income than the audience for progressive media, )
CARE TO OFFER ANY PROOF?
"Add to that the fact that the listeners to the Limbaughs and Fox News are less educated"
Watch the town hall protester videos maybe?
Yep, just what I thought no bedwetting liberal up to the task of
offering any supportive evidence of rsj's assertions.
LOL
Hey NabraskaNathan...
Good to have you back...!
Sioux Rose
GM: I just responded before reading your post chronologically below. You and I are in intuitive tandem! Nathan's lucky to get work at all. Wonder if they pay by the hour or word copy?
You have me confused with someone else, so leave me out of your fantasies.
Sioux Rose
Gave yourself away, Tinkerbell. It's that curious obsession with bed-wetting. I guess you didn't make it to the bathroom till what, age 15?
Hey gang, it's Nebraska Nathan, a/k/a Encino man, and I forget his other moniker.
Glad you asked, Common-dweebs August 13th, 2009 9:55 pm. Here's more proof than you offered for your assertions:
As to your first question:
From the Toledo Blade, Ohio:
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090215/NEWS09/902150323
"[Mr. Hartmann's] show beats Mr. Limbaugh in the ratings in the Seattle and Portland markets and beats Bill O'Reilly 2 to 1 in Los Angeles."
From RationalWiki:
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Liberal_talk_radio&action=edit§ion=17
"[Randi Rhodes] A stalwart of liberal radio since the 1980s, Randi regularly beat major conservative talk hosts in her home Florida market on WJNO before commuting to New York..."
And Ed Schultz is the top-rated liberal radio talker in the country, with ratings good enough to score his own MSNBC cable TV news show. According to a report by John Halperin of the CAPFP, Schultz beat Sean Hannity in the ratings in Portland, San Diego, Denver and Seattle. Read more here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/22/schultz-on-radio-report/
As to your second question:
Talk Radio Gets Angrier as its Revenues Drop
August 6, 2009
http://www.newmajority.com/talk-radio-gets-angrier-as-its-revenues-drop
Excerpt from the article:
"Conservative talk radio has never been more angry and extreme than today. You might think that’s a response to the Obama presidency. But even more, conservative talkers are responding to a collapse in advertising revenues.
"According to Scott Fybush, the proprietor of North East Radio Watch, talk radio has lost 30-40% of its ad revenues over the past two years."
BTW, Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., which owns Fox News, has been bleeding money:
News Corp. Writes Down Value Of Assets By $8.4 Billion
Records a $6.4 billion loss in fourth quarter on TV
By Claire Atkinson -- Broadcasting & Cable, 2/5/2009 2:40:27 PM MT
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/173692-News_Corp_Writes_Down_Value_Of_Assets_By_8_4_Billion.php
Excerpt from article:
"News Corp. announced a net loss of $6.4 billion in the final quarter of the year, the company's second fiscal quarter, as it wrote down the value of its TV operations, newspapers and information services to the tune of $8.4 billion."
This is much more proof than you provided for any of your comments.
wow, so 3-4 ultra liberal areas means many ... good for you keep burning up the airwaves.
talk radio revenues drop : Well no real news there lots of revenue of whole industries has dropped if you believe the news. So now how about comparing that to say NYT slide into oblivion of red ink or air america' bk & scandal ripping off boy's club to stay afloat.
I'm sorry I must have missed where the IQ of Fox news watchers are less educated and have less disposable income than the audience for progressive media ( ie other TV watchers).
Please explain again why liberal loser talk shows cannot compete with conservatives and need the fwairness doctrine to even the score.
btw: There are more than 3 channels now. I expect that was the central lame excuse for the original Fcc policy.