After the War Was Over
Long after the horror of Vietnam was over, McNamara would concede, in remarks that were like salt in the still festering wounds of the loved ones of those who had died, that he had been "wrong, terribly wrong" about the war. I felt nothing but utter contempt for his concession.
I remember getting my draft notice in the mid-1960s as Johnson's military buildup for the war was in full swing. I'm not sure what I expected. Probably that the other recruits would be a tough bunch, that they would all look like John Wayne. I was staggered on the first day of basic training at Fort Dix, N.J., to be part of a motley gathering of mostly scared and skinny kids who looked like the guys I'd gone to high school with. Who looked, basically, pun intended, like me.
That's who was shipped off to Vietnam in droves - youngsters 18, 19, 20 and 21. Many, of course, would die there, and many others would come back forever scarred.
Johnson and McNamara should have been looking out for those kids, who knew nothing about geopolitics, or why they were being turned into trained killers who, we were told, could cold-bloodedly smoke the enemy - "Good shot!" - and then kick back and smoke a Marlboro. Many would end up weeping on the battlefield, crying for their moms with their dying breaths. Or trembling uncontrollably as they watched buddies, covered in filth, bleed to death before their eyes - sometimes in their arms.
I was lucky. The Army sent me to Korea, which was no walk in the park, but it wasn't Vietnam. I served in the intelligence office of an engineer battalion. But no one could truly escape the war. I would get letters from home that would make my heart sink, letters telling me that this buddy had been killed, that that buddy had been killed, that a kid that I had played football or softball with - or had gone to the rifle range with - had been killed.
For what?
McNamara didn't know. My sister's boyfriend got shot. A very close friend of mine came back from Vietnam so messed up psychologically that he killed his wife and himself.
The hardest lesson for people in power to accept is that wars are unrelentingly hideous enterprises, that they butcher people without mercy and therefore should be undertaken only when absolutely necessary.
Kids who are sent off to war are forced to grow up too fast. They soon learn what real toughness is, and it has nothing to do with lousy bureaucrats and armchair warriors sacrificing the lives of the young for political considerations and hollow, flag-waving, risk-free expressions of patriotic fervor.
McNamara, it turns out, had realized early on that Vietnam was a lost cause, but he kept that crucial information close to his chest, like a gambler trying to bluff his way through a bad hand, as America continued to send tens of thousands to their doom. How in God's name did he ever look at himself in a mirror?
Lessons learned from Vietnam? None.
As The Times's Tim Weiner pointed out in McNamara's obituary, Congress authorized the war after President Johnson contended that American warships had been attacked by North Vietnamese patrol boats in the Gulf of Tonkin in August 1964. The attack never happened. As Mr. Weiner wrote, "The American ships had been firing at their own sonar shadows on a dark night."
But McNamara, relying on intelligence reports, told Johnson that evidence of the attack was ironclad. Does this remind anyone of the "slam dunk" evidence of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction?
More than 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam and some 2 million to 3 million Vietnamese. More than 4,000 Americans have died in Iraq, and no one knows how many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Even as I was writing this, reports were coming in of seven more American G.I.'s killed in Afghanistan - a war that made sense in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, but makes very little sense now.
None of these wars had clearly articulated goals or endgames. None were pursued with the kind of intensity and sense of common purpose and shared sacrifice that marked World War II. Wars are now mostly background noise, distant events overshadowed by celebrity deaths and the antics of Sarah Palin, Mark Sanford and the like.
The obscenity of war is lost on most Americans, and that drains the death of Robert McNamara of any real significance.
Twitter
StumbleUpon
Facebook
Delicious
Digg
Newsvine
Google
Yahoo
Technorati
21 Comments so far
Show AllThe whole concept of this war is an abomination. After 9/11, we should have set up a punitive expedition to Afghanistan to punish Al-Qaeda and the Taliban if they didn't give them up. Then leave. Also, we should have demanded retribution from Saudi Arabia because they are the ones whom actually spawned these radicals. They appease these mullahs by trying to buy them off. Setting up madrasses across the world spreading their brand of Islam tainted by their own insecure egos. But why didn't we punish Saudi? Simple:OIL.
Bob Herbert was a fool to let himself be drafted.
Ron Kovic has said it were the draft dodgers who showed true bravery.
Thank you Ron.
I and most of my male friends devoted an incredible amount of time and energy and talent to staying out of Uncle Sam's clutches. I used every advantage, every privelege, every connection I could come up with, to avoid the draft, and eventually got into the DC Air Guard, from which I got a "chemical discharge" two years later.Meanwhile, people like Bob Herbert, and lots of others I knew back then, who didn't have my advantages, just got drafted and were turned into cannon fodder.They weren't "fools", my friend, they were just unlucky, and they didn't have the option of hanging out in Britain, or going to graduate school.
they had the option to leave - or be jailed - and jump into an uncertain future.
many did.
that's took courage.
complying was the easy way out.
but I recognize that everyone has their reasons, and my compassion for the poor saps who let themselves be used as fodder is great.
you - you just hooked onto another branch of the same killing machine.
like bush.
The whole point of the DC Guard was that you stood zero chance of being activated and sent to Vietnam.I was planning to go to Canada,and then the Guard option came up.Because of a whole series of minor coincidences which I needn't go into, I was leap-forgged over about 200 people who were desperate to get in.Let's just say I met someone at a party in DC, who knew the commander, and we'd all gone to the same university. That's how privelege works.I was with that Guard unit for about six months, and then transferred to the Mass. Guard, which was full of hippies, and much more comical than the DC Guard.I suppose if the Guard option hadn't come up, I would have gone to Canada.I wasn't going to Vietnam, that's for sure.In any case, neither the DC Air Guard,nor the Mass Air Guard in the sixties could have been considered part of the "killing machine." Maybe you had to have been there. And what did you do to avoid the draft, or are you much too young to speak from experience and are just blowing smoke?
I left the country.
When the Mass Guard threatened to put me into Roxbury with a platoon of airmen to help put down the riots, I engineered my "acid flashback" escape, and went to Britain for a year.Worked out fine.
I apologize to you for the bush comparison.
It was a very scary time - like now.
We all did what we thought was right in order not to do what we knew was wrong
Peace to you.
Well said.
Peace to you too.
MASTERS OF WAR
Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly
Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain
You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud
You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins
How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do
Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul
And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll PISS ON your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead
(thanks Zimmie)
The war is not over for the Vietnamese. they are still getting cancer and horrible birth defects from agent orange and depleted uranium.
the bombing of Afghanistan might have "made sense" to you. I can't imagine how. No Afghans ever harmed the u.s. the hijackers were mostly Saudis, trained in the u.s. The peasants under those monstrous big blus and cluster bombs were innocent Afghans who never even knew there was a new york. It was a war crime "in the immediate aftermath of 9/11"; it has continued to be a war crime and can never be anything else.
I have one to outdo
"watergate"
This article was titled,
"The last tango: Enron and Bush"
here you go:
http://www.cpusa.org/article/view/348/
happy reading..
care to dance anybody?
"None of these wars had clearly articulated goals or endgames."
The true goals, which have no endgame, are not fit for public consumption, as they are criminal in nature, and reliant upon the use of the sons and daughters of the citizenry as both murderers and weapon-fodder, so the public are fed false goals ~ patriotic, democratic, 'freedumb' goals ~ goals which, naturally, make no sense, but are repeated and modified ad nauseum until fatigue and disbelief at the level of discommunication beset the debating opposition...
Like the country saying Single Payer, and the country's 'representative' government saying No...the powers that be will continue to stick it to us, and our sons and daughters, for as long as we willingly allow them...
If it's any consolation, chances are good the soldiers of the other country are being treated the same way by their 'representative' governments...
Mac's dead: Tamp the dirt and disinfect the shovel.
.
Mr. Herbert:
Conciliatory phrases about the invasion of Afghanistan do not constitute gestures towards objectivity. Please do not coddle. Invasion may have "made sense" to the intellectually poor swilling NY Times and related gruel, but it did not in that sense to those who decided to sell the invasion or those who decided to invade.
Let's lay the myth of good intentions beside McNamara, lay it in the cold cold ground. No one attached to a dozen intelligence agencies working on international relations 40+ hours/week thought Afghanis would invade the States or that they had attacked NYC.
Sure these guys have some bad algorithm in their heads, something that reads duty as "Do unto others before they do unto you," something that suggests people are evil or at least inharmonious at root, trauma aside, and that people will reward coercion and punish love. Sure this causes them to misframe each decision and every issue.
But no, they did not and do think that the United States had to defend itself or that they had to shoot up the place so that Afghani women could strip out of their burkhas. And no, it did not conform to their sense of justice:
-- Would they consider Cuba justified in attacking the US for harboring a man who blew up an airliner with Cubans on board?
--Would they consider Nicaragua justified for harboring -- well, let's just leave it at Oliver North, a name we probably all recognize?
-- Did they consider the Ayatolla Khomeini justified in holding American hostages in 1980, given that the US was harboring the Shah?
-- While we're at it, would the Vietnamese be justified bombing some part of the US believed to house the terrorists Robert McNamara or Henry Kissinger?
-- How about this? Given that the US had participated in European imperialism in Asia for years and had denied imperial Japan access to needed petroleum reserves in Southern Asia, surely Americans can understand the motives behind the attack on Pearl Harbor.
No.
No no no no no no no no no.
The day this becomes intuitive for Americans, I may be willing to consider that the attack on Afghanistan "made sense."
Bob Herbert:
Thank you
Fusion
As long as the US government continues to be an agent for Big Money, it will remain an engine of empire and war. Only when that empire collapses will the wars end. Unfortunately for the majority of its citizens, the ruins of that empire will crumble into a wasted and devastated nation.
"When will THEY ever learn?"
Sadly, WE have learned, never.
Ironic that maybe in a moment of candor -=- Lee Hamilton who sat in the 9/11 commission "washout" - as well as was member of the watergate commissions
quipped after the 9/11 commission "findings" :
"WE AMERICANS -- we NEVER learn do we?''
it is of course true.
"...Even as I was writing this, reports were coming in of seven more American G.I.'s killed in Afghanistan - a war that made sense in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, but makes very little sense now..."
No, Bob, it was no more justified than Vietnam. 9-11 was every bit the false flag operation the Gulf of Tonkin was, and staged for the same reasons. You should make yourself take an honest, objective look at the evidence, circumstantial as it may be, that has been accumulated for this to date -- it is more than compelling.
And then WRITE ABOUT IT, without regard to how exposing this horribly ugly but terribly important truth may/will affect your standing with left gatekeeper media.
"a war that made sense in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks"
this phrase jumped out at me, too.
some people have a funny notion of sense - is this common?
alas, yes.
it made about as much sense as invading Alabama for harbouring the KKK.
what proof is there that al Q'yote demolished the WTC?
bush's say-so?
and now 0's?
Kurt July 7th, 2009 10:55 am........It was staged for some of those same reasons...there were others...if you have not read this, PLEASE take the time to do so..MOST have not.......
http:/www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/
Collateral_Damage_911.pdf
Or go to israelshamir.net and scroll down to this article.
Thank you, Cynical, I will read it.