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Iran and Leftist Confusion
When I returned from covering the Iranian elections recently, I was surprised to find my email box filled with progressive authors, academics and bloggers bending themselves into knots about the current crisis in Iran. They cite the long history of U.S. interference in Iran and conclude that the current unrest there must be sponsored or manipulated by the Empire.
That comes as quite a shock to those risking their lives daily on the streets of major Iranian cities fighting for political, social and economic justice.
Some of these authors have even cited my book, The Iran Agenda, as a source to prove U.S. meddling. Whoa there, pardner. Now we're getting personal.
The large majority of American people, particularly leftists and progressives, are sympathetic to the demonstrators in Iran, oppose Iranian government repression and also oppose any U.S. military or political interference in that country. But a small and vocal number of progressives are questioning that view, including authors writing for Monthly Review online, Foreign Policy Journal, and prominent academics such as retired professor James Petras.
They mostly argue by analogy. They correctly cite numerous examples of CIA efforts to overthrow governments, sometimes by manipulating mass demonstrations. But past practice is no proof that it's happening in this particular case. Frankly, the multi-class character of the most recent demonstrations, which arose quickly and spontaneously, were beyond the control of the reformist leaders in Iran, let alone the CIA.
Let's assume for the moment that the U.S. was trying to secretly manipulate the demonstrations for its own purposes. Did it succeed? Or were the protests reflecting 30 years of cumulative anger at a reactionary system that oppresses workers, women, and ethnic minorities, indeed the vast majority of Iranians? Is President Mahmood Ahmadinejad a "nationalist-populist," as claimed by some, and therefore an ally against U.S. domination around the world? Or is he a repressive, authoritarian leader who actually hurts the struggle against U.S. hegemony?
Let's take a look. But first a quick note.
As far as I can tell none of these leftist critics have actually visited Iran, at least not to report on the recent uprisings. Of course, one can have an opinion about a country without first-hand experience there. But in the case of recent events in Iran, it helps to have met people. It helps a lot.
The left-wing Doubting Thomas arguments fall into three broad categories.
1. Assertion: President Mahmood Ahmadinejad won the election, or at a minimum, the opposition hasn't proved otherwise.
Michael Veiluva, Counsel at the Western States Legal Foundation (representing his own views) wrote on the Monthly Review website:
"[U.S. peace groups] are quick to denounce the elections as ‘massively fraudulent' and generally subscribe to the ‘mad mullah' stereotype of the current political system in Iran. There is a remarkable convergence between the tone of these statements and the American right who are hypocritically beating their chests over Iran's ‘stolen' election.
Bartle Professor (Emeritus) of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York, James Petras wrote:
"[N]ot a single shred of evidence in either written or observational form has been presented either before or a week after the vote count. During the entire electoral campaign, no credible (or even dubious) charge of voter tampering was raised."
Actually, Iranians themselves were very worried about election fraud prior to the vote count. When I covered the 2005 elections, Ahmadinejad barely edged out Mehdi Karoubi in the first round of elections. Karoubi raised substantive arguments that he was robbed of his place in the runoff due to vote fraud. But under Iran's clerical system, there's no meaningful appeal. So, as he put it, he took his case to God.
On the day of the 2009 election, election officials illegally barred many opposition observers from the polls. The opposition had planned to use text messaging to communicate local vote tallies to a central location. The government shut down SMS messaging! So the vote count was entirely dependent on a government tally by officials sympathetic to the incumbent.
I heard many anecdotal accounts of voting boxes arriving pre-stuffed and of more ballots being printed than are accounted for in the official registration numbers. It seems unlikely that the Iranian government will allow meaningful appeals or investigations into the various allegations about vote rigging.
A study by two professors at Chatham House and the Institute of Iranian Studies at University of St. Andrews, Scotland, took a close look at the official election results and found some major discrepancies. For Ahmadinejad to have sustained his massive victory in one third of Iran's provinces, he would have had to carry all his supporters, all new voters, all voters previously voting centrist and about 44% of previous reformist voters.
Keep in mind that Ahmadinejad's victory takes place in the context of a highly rigged system. The Guardian Council determines which candidates may run based on their Islamic qualifications. As a result, no woman has ever been allowed to campaign for president and sitting members of parliament were disqualified because they had somehow become un-Islamic.
The constitution of Iran created an authoritarian theocracy in which various elements of the ruling elite could fight out their differences, sometimes through elections and parliamentary debate, sometimes through violent repression. Iran is a classic example of how a country can have competitive elections without being democratic.
2. Assertion: The U.S. has a long history of meddling in Iran, so it must be behind the current unrest.
Jeremy R. Hammond writes in the progressive website Foreign Policy Journal:
"[G]iven the record of U.S. interference in the state affairs of Iran and clear policy of regime change, it certainly seems possible, even likely, that the U.S. had a significant role to play in helping to bring about the recent turmoil in an effort to undermine the government of the Islamic Republic.
Eric Margolis, a columnist for Quebecor Media Company in Canada and a contributor to The Huffington Post, wrote:
"While the majority of protests we see in Tehran are genuine and spontaneous, Western intelligence agencies and media are playing a key role in sustaining the uprising and providing communications, including the newest electronic method, via Twitter. These are covert techniques developed by the US during recent revolutions in Ukraine and Georgia that brought pro-US governments to power."
Both authors cite numerous cases of the U.S. using covert means to overthrow legitimate governments. The CIA engineered large demonstrations, along with assassinations and terrorist bombings, to cause confusion and overthrow the parliamentary government of Iran' Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh in 1953. The U.S. used similar methods in an effort to overthrow Hugo Chavez in Venezuela in 2002. (For more details, see my book, Dateline Havana: The Real Story of US Policy and the Future of Cuba.)
Hammond cites my book The Iran Agenda and my interview on Democracy Now to show that the Bush Administration was training and funding ethnic minorities in an effort to overthrow the Iranian government in 2007.
All the arguments are by analogy and implication. Neither the above two authors, nor anyone else of whom I am aware, offers one shred of evidence that the Obama Administration has engineered, or even significantly influenced, the current demonstrations.
Let's look at what actually happened on the ground. Tens of millions of Iranians went to bed on Friday, June 12, convinced that either Mousavi had won the election outright or that there would be runoff between him and Ahmadinejad. They woke up Saturday morning and were stunned. "It was a coup d'etat," several friends told me. The anger cut across class lines and went well beyond Mousavi's core base of students, intellectuals and the well-to-do.
Within two days hundreds of thousands of people were demonstrating peacefully in the streets of Tehran and other major cities. Could the CIA have anticipated the vote count, and on two days notice, mobilized its nefarious networks? Does the CIA even have the kind of extensive networks that would be necessary to control or even influence such a movement? That simultaneously gives the CIA too much credit and underestimates the independence of the mass movement.
As for the charge that the CIA is providing advanced technology like Twitter, pleaaaaaase. In my commentary carried on Reuters, I point out that the vast majority of Iranians have no access to Twitter and that the demonstrations were mostly organized by cell phone and word of mouth.
Many Iranians do watch foreign TV channels via satellite. A sat dish costs only about $100 with no monthly fees, so they are affordable even to the working class. Iranians watched BBC, VOA and other foreign channels in Farsi, leading to government assertions of foreign instigation of the demonstrations. By that logic, Ayatollah Khomeini received support from Britain in the 1979 revolution because of BBC radio's critical coverage of the despotic Shah.
Frankly, based on my observations, no one was leading the demonstrations. During the course of the week after the elections, the mass movement evolved from one protesting vote fraud into one calling for much broader freedoms. You could see it in the changing composition of the marches. There were not only upper middle class kids in tight jeans and designer sun glasses. There were growing numbers of workers and women in very conservative chadors.
Iranian youth particularly resented President Ahmadinejad's support for religious militia attacks on unmarried young men and women walking together and against women not covering enough hair with their hijab. Workers resented the 24 percent annual inflation that robbed them of real wage increases. Independent trade unionists were fighting for decent wages and for the right to organize.
Some demonstrators wanted a more moderate Islamic government. Others advocated a separation of mosque and state, and a return to parliamentary democracy they had before the 1953 coup. But virtually everyone believes that Iran has the right to develop nuclear power, including enriching uranium. Iranians support the Palestinians in their fight against Israeli occupation, and they want to see the U.S. get out of Iraq.
So if they CIA was manipulating the demonstrators, it was doing a piss poor job.
Of course, the CIA would like to have influence in Iran. But that's a far cry from saying it does have influence. By proclaiming the omnipotence of U.S. power, the leftist critics ironically join hands with Ahmadinejad and the reactionary clerics who blame all unrest on the British and U.S.
3. Assertion: Ahmadinejad is a nationalist-populist who opposes U.S. imperialism. Efforts to overthrow him only help the U.S.
James Petras wrote: "Ahmadinejad's strong position on defense matters contrasted with the pro-Western and weak defense posture of many of the campaign propagandists of the opposition...."
"Ahmadinejad's electoral success, seen in historical comparative perspective should not be a surprise. In similar electoral contests between nationalist-populists against pro-Western liberals, the populists have won. Past examples include Peron in Argentina and, most recently, Chavez of Venezuela, [and] Evo Morales in Bolivia."
Venezuela's Foreign Ministry wrote on its website:
"The Bolivarian Government of Venezuela expresses its firm opposition to the vicious and unfounded campaign to discredit the institutions of the Islamic Republic of Iran, unleashed from outside, designed to roil the political climate of our brother country. From Venezuela, we denounce these acts of interference in the internal affairs of the Islamic Republic of Iran, while demanding an immediate halt to the maneuvers to threaten and destabilize the Islamic Revolution."
From 1953-1979, the Shah of Iran brutally repressed his own people and aligned himself with the U.S. and Israel. After the 1979 Islamic Revolution, Iran brutally repressed its own people and broke its alliance with the U.S. and Israel. That apparently causes confusion for some on the left.
I have written numerous articles and books criticizing U.S. policy on Iran, including Bush administration efforts to overthrow the Islamic government. The U.S. raises a series of phony issues, or exaggerates problems, in an effort to impose its domination on Iran. (Examples include Iran's nuclear power program, support for Hamas and Hezbollah, and support for Shiite groups in Iraq.)
During his past four years in office, Ahmadinejad has ramped up Iran's anti-imperialist rhetoric and posed himself as a leader of the Islamic world. That accounts for his fiery rhetoric against Israel and his denial of the Holocaust. (Officially, Ahmadinejad "questions" the Holocaust and says "more study is necessary." That reminds me of the creationists who say there needs to be more study because evolution is only a theory.) As pointed out by the opposition candidates, Ahmadinejad's rhetoric about Israel and Jews has only alienated people around the world and made it more difficult for the Palestinians.
But in the real world, Ahmadinejad has done nothing to support the Palestinians other than sending some funds to Hamas. Despite rhetoric from the U.S. and Israel, Iran has little impact on a struggle that must be resolved by Palestinians and Israelis themselves.
So comparing Ahmadinejad with Chavez or Evo Morales is absurd. I have reported from both Venezuela and Bolivia numerous times. Those countries have genuine mass movements that elected and kept those leaders in power. They have implemented significant reforms that benefitted workers and farmers. Ahmadinejad has introduced 24% annual inflation and high unemployment.
As for the position of Venezuela and President Hugo Chavez, they are simply wrong. On a diplomatic level, Venezuela and Iran share some things in common. Both are under attack from the U.S., including past efforts at "regime change." Venezuela and other governments around the world will have to deal with Ahmadinejad as the de facto president, so questioning the election could cause diplomatic problems.
But that's no excuse. Chavez has got it exactly backward. The popular movement in the streets will make Iran stronger as it rejects outside interference from the U.S. or anyone else.
This is no academic debate or simply fodder for bored bloggers. Real lives are at stake. A repressive government has killed at least 17 Iranians and injured hundreds. The mass movement may not be strong enough to topple the system today but is sowing the seeds for future struggles.
The leftist critics must answer the question: Whose side are you on?
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Show AllYes and I read the whole docuement in Persian.
And this document was PROOF?
I would point out that Chalabi and Curveball provided PROOF Inf Saddams WMDS and that Colin Powell claimed in his pseech to the UN that what he was saying was not ASSERTIONS but fact.
Do you understand the difference between PROOF and an assertion?
dear Reese Erlich,
You are so right! it is painful to see how " confused" the " left" is in America about Iran. I have been an Iranian woman activist working with the most popular left organization in Iran during the Shah and later in exile.
I can tell you that left, either in Iran or in US, when they are out of touch with the reality of people's struggle on ground, they talk so off that they end up showing up on the right.
it frustrate me every time i read views of those who claim to be ' leftist" and are so out of touch. i am writing to you to Thank you on behalf of Iranian people for taking the time and making it clear to those who feel responsible to find out whose side they are.
Reese Erlich:
Sounds to me like a lot of Zionist disinformation! Just keep repeating it and eventually people will believe you.
There were many protesting there who were not Iranian as well as the terrorist group MKO that were setting fires, shooting and damaging property.
But you keep it up! People enjoy hearing your rhetoric, truth or not, it doesn't really matter does it! It's so entertaining and that's what people want.
Qanni,
There have been unconfirmed claims that some of the Gaurds could not speak Persian and were probably speaking Arabic, meaning that they were brought by government from Lebanon or Palestine. These were never confirmed.
Setting fires and breaking windows and destroying peoples' properties are well known tactics of the regime to label a peaceful demonstration as a riot and justify to crush.
The demonstrations in Iran represent real rage and desire for change, spontaneously expressed.
Also, for months before the election the mossad & cia plotted out a campaign to allege a stolen election.
Knowing real unrest would erupt. Legitimate.
Also, subtly precipitated and manipulated to some degree.
Honduras, Iran,
We get around.
There are two broad issues internal to Iran at stake in this debate and only after they are dealt with can we deal with questions about what the rest of the world ought to do. The first question is whether or not the Iranian election was legitimate, which is not the same as asking if it was democratic. Legitimate means that the rules of the game are generally known, accepted and followed by those playing the game. By this definition, I've yet to read any convincing article that proves the Iranian election was hardly more than flawed and certainly not illegitimate. That doesn't resolve the question, but the burden of proof has to be on the accusation, no? The scant available information on popular sentiment in Iran suggests that the outcome of the election probably wasn't altered by whatever "irregularities" actually occurred. That's cold comfort for people who care about a well-functioning democracy, but we're not talking about an ideal here -- just ask a minor party candidate in any two-party system.
The second issue involves arguments made by those who urge us outsiders to join with the protesters. If it arises that that the case for a stolen election has never been made persuasively, the argument turns to the issues of the rights of the protesters. Should outsiders side with the protesters against a repressive militia or police action? That question hardly merits asking, right? Obviously everyone should and I believe 99.99&% of the folks here do.
But that's not the common frame for the question. The question is usually asked in the context of a demand that in order to support the protesters' RIGHTS I also must imply agreement with the protesters on the particular issue: the legitimacy of the ELECTION itself.
Of course, that's nonsense. All of the questions about who do you side with etc. are, by design, confusing the difference between democracy and liberal ideals about rights. A monarchy can be liberal. A democracy can be repressive. That's PS-101.
Why can't I support the right of the protesters to claim that the election was stolen even if I don't accept that claim as being demonstrated or persuasive?
1,if you could read persian, it is all well documented in Mousavi's written official complaint. This complaint was never seriously considered or reviewed by the officials! like the supreme court and Florida Election. You won by majority popular vote and lose it to supreme court.
2,all you can help is to sympathize with Iranians otherwise the opposion will be labelled as agents of great satan as it has been.
An interesting blog post on all these questions, written in response to the polemic now raging at truthout.org over Steve Weissman's columns, can be found at: http://www.zmag.org/blog/view/3363. And follow the links as well.
Among other things, this piece, and the links it presents, document much of what I, Skip Townes, and others have been saying, which is that American groups are neck-deep in the Iranian "uprising."
Esam Al-Amin's article at Counterpunch.org entitled: "Iran and Washington's Hidden Hand: Has the CIA Been Caught in Iran's Cookie Jar, Again" from June 30, 2009 is one worth reading @: http://www.counterpunch.org/alamin06302009.html
Esam Al-Amin writes that: "Only weeks after the September 11, 2001, attacks, Charles Krauthammer, the Washington Post columnist and mouthpiece of the neoconservatives, revealed the target list of the Bush administration as it set out on its post-9/11 war footing. The list included six nations: Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, and the Palestinian Authority. While the priority allotted to Afghanistan and subsequently Iraq was not in dispute, the remaining order was in flux....Israel was given a free hand in dealing with the Palestinian Authority (PA). President George W. Bush completely shunned and isolated PA President Yasser Arafat, until he died under siege in November 2004. Former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was allowed to use brutal military tactics to crush the Al-Aqsa intifada, reoccupying much of the West Bank, and setting up hundreds of military checkpoints devastating Palestinian life and what remained of the PA....Dozens of books have been written explaining in elaborate detail the schemes, plots and deceptions by the neocons for regime change in Iraq....As Libyan Leader Muammar Qadhafi watched the toppling of Iraq’s Saddam Hussein in the spring of 2003, he initiated contact with London and then Washington, trying to identify the conditions needed, in an attempt to avoid Saddam’s fate. By January 2004, Libya agreed to all their conditions....Syria faced economic pressure and diplomatic isolation, coupled with veiled and direct threats. By April 2005, Syria withdrew its troops from Lebanon after a 29-year presence....But the toughest nut to crack among all these targets has always been Iran. Ironically, Iran’s strategic situation vastly improved following the U.S. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the overthrow of those regimes. By 2004, Iran’s Shiite allies in Iraq were in control of the government...Iran exercised tremendous influence with Muqtada Sadr’s militia....Between 2005-2009, the U.S. Congress appropriated more than $400 million for State Department programs designed to “promote democracy,” among other means of employing soft power in Iran. This was implemented, in part, by funding the activities of Iranian dissident groups. By 2008, Congress included money in the budget that would specifically “go to software programmers to develop programs that thwart internet firewalls erected by the government of Iran, ” and for a program to “provide anti-censorship tools and services for the advancement of information freedom in closed societies.”...On May 24, 2007, Brian Ross, ABC News’s Chief Investigative Correspondent broke a story about the elements of soft power utilized by the CIA and authorized by Bush. “Current and former intelligence officials told ABC News that the CIA has received secret presidential approval to mount what is known as a black or covert operations to destabilize the Iranian regime, and it is underway,” he reported....The role of the Western media in the few weeks before and in the aftermath of the elections is illuminating. These same outlets traditionally act as enablers to Washington’s agenda, a role notoriously on display in the lead-up to the Iraq war....Opposition groups have relied on Internet communication technology such as text messaging, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and political blogs during their protests. In fact, Secretary Clinton took the unusual step in asking Twitter to change its maintenance schedule to accommodate Iran’s time zone and allow opposition groups the ability to utilize it. What is striking is that most of the postings were in English, not Persian, begging the question: who was the target audience of these tweets? Similarly, why were the protesters holding signs saying, “Where is my vote?” in English, rather than the language spoken by the voters of Iran?....a study by the website, www.chartingstocks.net, concluded that during three days after the election, the overwhelming majority of Tweets (over 30,000), were manipulated through a handful of accounts; all created within one day of the elections on June 13. It is interesting to note that only 0.6 percent of Twitter accounts are used by Iranians (as compared to 44 percent by Americans)....In a recent interview with the BBC on June 19, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, the foreign policy icon and ultimate insider, exposed Washington’s deep involvement in the Iranian affair....Dr. Kissinger said, “If it turns out that it is not possible for a government to emerge in Iran that can deal with itself as a nation rather than as a cause, then we have a different situation.”"
Okay---Are You dimwits still saying the U.S. has had no involvement in Iran's destablization and continuing to drink the Kool-Aid of the Bush-Cheney-Rice-Obama-Biden-Clinton-Gates administration? Stop lying to yourselves already! The U.S. is Neck Deep into this present situation inside Iran!
actionJackson62,
I read that article a few days ago and I wrote to him that the Gurdian Council had admitted they had found 3 million irregular votes in the recounting of certain number of boxes(something like 50 boxes out of 170). He wrote back to me that that was media manipulation. For the next few days I checked my Persian resources and confirmed that was the official findings. I never wrote back to him because I had already told him in the previous email that the oil money was apprently working. Please read my response to clovis above and do not believe whatever you read.
Yes, there are always "two sides of the coin" but there can always be two heads on it when the CIA-NED are involved. In this case one side of the coin is the CIA and the other is the NED.
Yes, there are many sides to the story. Please consult:
1. H.R.282
2. H.R.6198
3. S.3971
4. PUBLIC LAW 109–293—SEPT. 30, 2006 "Iran Freedom Support Act"
EXCERPTS From: PUBLIC LAW 109–293—SEPT. 30, 2006 "Iran Freedom Support Act"
TITLE III—PROMOTION OF DEMOCRACY FOR IRAN
(a) AUTHORIZATION.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the President is authorized to provide financial and political assistance (including the award of grants) to foreign and domestic individuals, organizations, and entities working for
the purpose of supporting and promoting democracy for Iran. Such assistance may include the award of grants to eligible independent pro-democracy radio and television broadcasting organizations that broadcast into Iran.
(2) LIMITATION ON ASSISTANCE.—In accordance with the rule of construction described in subsection (b) of section 301, none of the funds authorized under this section shall be used to support the use of force against Iran.
(c) FUNDING.—The President may provide assistance under this section using—
(1) funds available to the Middle East Partnership Initiative (MEPI), the Broader Middle East and North Africa Initiative, and the Human Rights and Democracy Fund; and (2) amounts made available pursuant to the authorization of appropriations under subsection (g).
(e) SENSE OF CONGRESS REGARDING DIPLOMATIC ASSISTANCE.— It is the sense of Congress that— (1) support for a transition to democracy in Iran should be expressed by United States representatives and officials in all appropriate international fora; (2) officials and representatives of the United States should— (A) strongly and unequivocally support indigenous efforts in Iran calling for free, transparent, and democratic elections; and (B) draw international attention to violations by the Government of Iran of human rights, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, and freedom of the press. (f) DURATION.—The authority to provide assistance under this section shall expire on December 31, 2011. (g) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.—There is authorized to be appropriated to the Secretary of of State such sums as may be necessary to carry out this section.
Good Day.....Please Stop Drinking that Kool-Aid!!!!
ActionJackson62,
Who said USA is not trying to change the regime and take over Iran or many other countries? Ofcourse they have and they will.
That does not mean we should consider any movement in the world as US conspiracy. Who knows what will happen today, tomorrow or the next day. May be Israel will attack Iran, may be Iranian regime will fall tomorrow.
That does not mean to have a conspiracy theory behind every happening unless you love to have one.
We are talking about what appears to be facts.
There is a struggle going on in Iran between two factions of the regime; the old and the new groups. Both are committed to preserving the Islamic regime. The Iranians who do not like some aspects of the regime have come out in support of the old group and aginst Ahmadinejad. They have lost unfairly we believe to the new Military-Religious-Mafia group. That is all. Now you want to say that USA has done that? Fine. We will wait and see. But being familiar with situation in Iran, I don't think so.
There is a saing in Persian; If the bald could treat baldness he/she should have treated his/her own head. The USA should have been able to prevent 911 attack and forget about manipulation all aroud the world at the expense of our healthcare system and so on. Thanks for your insight.
When you resort to hyperbole, you may have lost the argument.
Who said, "That does not mean we should consider any movement in the world as US conspiracy."? Somebody said that any movement in the world is a US conspiracy.
You fake leftists have lost the arguments. When it comes to speculating if the CIA or Mossad had any involvement - who should we believe? You or our eyes?
Yes, there are always "two sides of the coin" but there can always be two heads on it when the CIA-NED are involved. In this case one side of the coin is the CIA and the other is the NED.
Yes, there are many sides to the story. Please consult:
1. H.R.282
2. H.R.6198
3. S.3971
4. PUBLIC LAW 109–293—SEPT. 30, 2006 "Iran Freedom Support Act"
Cheers!
Yes, there are always "two sides of the coin" but there can always be two heads on it when the CIA-NED are involved. In this case one side of the coin is the CIA and the other is the NED.
Happy Trails!
Action Jackson!
Here are some additional links, perhaps only footnotes to include, but certainly more data on Twitter and social-networking tools used by political activist and influence in Moldova’s recent election of 2009. Interestingly, not much willingness for journalist "blogger types" to cross-examine the data.
Links:
“Moldova’s Twitter Revolution”
h**p://neteffect.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/04/07/moldovas_twitter_revolution
The Role of Digital Networked technologies in the Ukrainian Orange Revolution
h**p://cyber.law.harvard.edu/publications/2007/The_Role_of_Digital_Networked_Technologies_in_the_Ukranian_Orange_Revolution
And then there is Jeremy Hammond’s article listing NED activities. Encyclopedic references, very tasty article worth bookmarking --if only worth the #69 references.
… “Sullivan linked to a Farsi language website as his source, Peykeiran.com,[62] but Sullivan admittedly cannot read Farsi, so he was clearly merely relaying information he saw elsewhere, perhaps on Twitter, without attribution. Sullivan’s relayed claim, whatever its true origin, was promptly repeated in blogs across the net following his posting it at The Daily Dish.
But when shown the post and the linked-to page in Farsi, Kourosh Ziabari, an Iranian journalist and correspondent for Foreign Policy Journal, replied, “Actually, Andrew Sullivan has made a mistake, as far as I see. The one who asserted that the election results were invalid was Ali-Akbar Mohtashami, the Administrator for the Committee of Votes Preservation at the national campaign of Mir-Hossein Mousavi.”[63] This is hardly the same “huge news” Sullivan claimed it to be.
The New York Times also observed that “Not only is it hard to be sure that what appears on Twitter is accurate, but some Twitterers may even be trying to trick you.” An example cited is that of fabricated posts purporting to be from ABC News reporter Jim Sciutto.[64]
In that case, Sciutto said, the Iranian government attempted “to turn technology against the protesters. Officials have started a number of fake opposition pages on Twitter, which are tweeting propaganda and misleading information.”[65]
Sciutto offered no evidence that it was actually the Iranian government that was responsible for Twittering in his name, but then, of course, it is easy to accept that the Iranian government is using Twitter to spread misinformation simply as a matter of faith.”…"
….One more point, when Commondreams started pushing pro-green revolution coverage, CD’s most 'revealing' links came from Sullivan, et al part of blog-sphere ….
Has the U.S. Played a Role in Fomenting Unrest During Iran’s Election?
June 23, 2009 by Jeremy R. Hammond
h**p://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2009/06/23/has-the-u-s-played-a-role-in-fomenting-unrest-during-irans-election/
update: for anyone who ventures this far into the threads at a latter date, Hammond --who I mention above and who is cited by Erlich in the above article-- responds to Erlich's presumptions about Hammond's FP article.... it's a good rebuttal and well worth reading to get more depth for Erlich's willingness to misquote, misrepresent, and just flat out make shit up to argue his "leftist confusion case".
http://hammond.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2009/06/28/reese-elrich-responds-to-fpj-on-iran-election-article/
clovis,brother,
Have you ever done a scientific research? If you did you would know that you can find many articles supporing your view in controversial matters regardless. I am talking about scientific matters. Now you come like a child runnig and screaming that you have found a box of candies as proof of what you have been saying.
Sure America wants to manipulate but were they successful fifty years ago in their own backyard to expect a better results halfway around the world if indeed they did anything at all?
Think about it. There are always two sides to the coin.
June 17, 2009
Washington Taps Into a Potent New Force in Diplomacy
By MARK LANDLER and BRIAN STELTER
The New York Times
"The Obama administration says it has tried to avoid words or deeds that could be portrayed as American meddling in Iran’s presidential election and its tumultuous aftermath....Yet on Monday afternoon, a 27-year-old State Department official, Jared Cohen, e-mailed the social-networking site Twitter with an unusual request: delay scheduled maintenance of its global network, which would have cut off service while Iranians were using Twitter to swap information and inform the outside world about the mushrooming protests around Tehran....There were also suspicions that some pro-government forces might be using new-media outlets to send out misinformation. One popular opposition site, Persiankiwi, warned its followers on Tuesday to ignore instructions from people with no record of reliable posts....In addition to Twitter, YouTube has been a critical tool to spread videos from Iran when traditional media outlets have had difficulty filming the protests or the ensuing crackdown. One YouTube account, bearing the user name “wwwiranbefreecom,” showed disturbing images of police officers beating people in the streets. On Monday, Lara Setrakian, an ABC News journalist, put out a call for video on Twitter, writing, “Please send footage we can’t reach!”"
Read the entire article @:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/world/middleeast/17media.html?_r=2&pagewanted=print
Hillary Clinton defends Twitter efforts for Iran
By Paul Richter
The Los Angeles Times
3:31 PM PDT, June 17, 2009
"The U.S. urged the networking service to delay maintenance so the system would keep running, leading to complaints from Iran's government. Twitter has helped protesters communicate amid a clampdown."
"Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Wednesday defended U.S. efforts to ensure that the Twitter social networking service has remained available for use by Iranian protesters, even as Tehran complained about U.S. interference in its affairs....Clinton said that Twitter has been essential in allowing Iranian protesters, especially the young, to remain in touch in the aftermath of last week's disputed presidential election....State Department officials earlier this week urged Twitter to delay scheduled maintenance work to avoid interrupting its service in Iran...."
Read full article by Paul Richter @: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-twitter18-2009jun18,0,5845567.story
Thanks for picking up the slack, Jackson. Peace.
I ran PoliticalVideos at Youtube for 3 years, which was great for so many people and i had many discussions daily... Until I encountered a U.S. Preacher called Johhny Lee Clary. On his Youtube channel he made a video,speaking for 10 minutes and calling for the assassination of Iran's President, The Ayatollah, the Mullahs and top clerics in Iran. I re-uploaded his video, calling it' Radical U.S. Preacher Calls for Assassination of Ahmadinejad' .
Johnny Lee Clary complained to Youtube and my channel was suspended...I now run the channel at Dailymotion.com/Politicalvideos
In accordance to my studies of Court Administration,Court Principles and Practices and The Legal System, the incitement of murder/assassination of top world leaders is highly illegal, an offense which would usually carry imprisonment, and it is obvious that many in the U.S. and around the World think it is okay to create negativity,conflict and mayhem.
Why incite violence, racism and murder against World leaders? That's what the Iranian Government are going on about...I flagged the video and brought it to the attention of media in Iran, and I do not blame Iranian leaders for accusing Western countries for inciting riots in Iran's elections. It is idiots like Clary who call for murder in another country that leads to breakdown in relations, and they only bring about paranoia, bad feelings and violence.
In most of my discussions online I get positive feedback 99% of the time, but the 1 percent of violent comments come from Americans, not Iranians or from other nations.
Johnny Lee Clary has since removed his video because i informed him of his crime, yet my channel is still suspended.Youtube allowed his video to remain online for about a year-t hat says a lot about the racist, pro-violent attitudes within Youtube , and which stretch far and wide.
Why should i be suspended and a thug calling for murder of World Leaders be allowed to keep his?
Wake up and smell the burning coffee people, Iran is going through their own political unrest within their own political system, and there are many who want to see Iran topppled, out of misunderstanding and racism, hate and violence. Leave Iran alone, let them sort their own problems.
P.S. George Bush apparantly won power by the removal of votes in the U.S in 2001 and again in 2004... Britain has a Prime minister who NOBODY got a chance to vote for- Prime Minister Gordon Brown was voted into power by his own politicians, the public were not given a chance to vote whatsoever. And look what a mess they've got us all into... Back in 1997 Prime Minister Brown was head of the U.K. Treasury and he invented the tripartite financial system which was set up to monitor and report activities of our banks (to make sure they don't lend or borrow billions and also to prevent money filtering through to tax havens). A similar financial regulatory system was introduced in the U.S.A, but both have obviously failed, $30trillion was wiped off the value of the $60 trillion dollar industries worldwide because of the LACK OF CREDIT CONTROL...
So who's worse, an Iranian President who the West just doesn't like for no apparant reason or a fool who invades and destroys Iraq for oil, construction and security company contracts or a fool who created a financial regulatory system that actually ALLOWED MASS CORRUPTION to occur and assisted in the 50 percent loss of industry value WORLDWIDE??? Let's all vote President Ahmadinejad as the new President of the World, because everyone else who's had a go has failed to impress even the most stupid...
Russell S Wyllie of Dailymotion.com/Politicalvideos
A rather thoughtless article making little contribution to the issue.
Its tone smacks of Bush's "You're either with us or against us."
The author flat-footedly asserts silliness like secret service activity does not explain the crowds on the streets.
No one said it did: that's a straw-man argument.
Every country without a liberal government - and even some with - has pools of people ready to act if they are encouraged.
Supplying that stimulus and encouragement is what secret services do, and we know Bush committed 400 million dollars to stirring up trouble in Iran.
Robert Fisk reported photocopies of an obviously forged letter to the Supreme Leader which people on the street were waving about. It was as phony as Bush's "yellow cake" document before the Iraq invasion.
If you want a good analysis of the situation, you'll find it here:
http://chuckmanwords.wordpress.com/
Thanks you for this Reese. For the first time the neo-cons and the leftist liberals have agreed to something:
TO RENOUNCE THE TRUTH IN THE STREETS OF IRAN AND FIGHT FOR SAVAGE SILENCING OF IRANIAN PROTESTERS!!!!!!!!!!
Read the rest of it here:
http://www.sidewalklyrics.com/?p=846
Dear Reese,
I can't doubt your integrity that you have some share in the $400 million sanctioned by the US Congress for Iran Project!
But I can't help thinking that how you volunteered your intellect to help them free of cost!
Could I suggest you to please read the following articles so that you first elighten yourself and then try to enlighten others:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fiskrsquos-world-in-tehran-fantasy-and-reality-make-uneasy-bedfellows-1710762.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/alamin06302009.html
http://www.voltairenet.org/article160764.html
I see this debate ended in June, but the mass protests in Iran against the reactionary theocratic regime continue.
Have recent events altered anyone's views?
im an iranian. im sorry because my English is not very good.
if anyone thinks iranians (specially workers and poor people) support ahmadinejad, then i have a request from him/her:
give me name of one trade union, worker or peasant organization which supports him, then we can discuss this question. But if you cant find EVEN ONE popular organization which exists legally, then it means that this whole election is totally a fraud regardless of its winner.
no worker or progressive activist can support a regime which in it workers have a situation like iran.
in iran wokers dont have the right to organize, form trade unions or strike and they cant even demand tiniest reforms.
trade union activists are in prison. the iranian regime has sent mr mansour osanlo (activist in bus drivers union) to prison for FIVE YEARS. if you support ahmadinejad, then please tell me its reason.
workers were trying to hold a meeting on 1st of may last year. they were attacked by government agents and were beaten and arrested.
All of progressive parties and organizations are disbanded and not even trade unions which seek tiniest reforms are allowed.
By no means iranian government has any progressive character. It pays billions of dollars for military hardware and reactionary religious organizations while people are poor and hungry. while you can form trade unions and struggle for reforms and better work conditions in your country, iranian people don’t have this right. If you can have a site on internet and write what you want in it, in iran the government blocks all of sites which are opposed to it. If in your country men and women are equal at least on paper, in iran men and women are not equal even on paper.
Below is a list of sites of organizations which have lost many of their members during the struggle for freedom and socialism in iran . Some of them were major participants in 1979 revolution. Im not a member of any of them. They have different opinions but They all fight for overthrow of Islamic republic in favor of establishing a soviet socialist state. They have English pages too:
www.cpiran.org
www.fadaian-minority.org
www.ranjbaran.org
www.sarbedaran.org
www.cwiran.com
they are linked with foreign parties and organizations who support movement of Iranian people against their dictator government. Many foreign organizations join the demonstrations and campaigns which are held to support the movement.