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Palestinian Violence Overstated, Jewish Violence Understated
Time to Change the Story
The Israel Project hired pollster Stanley Greenberg to test American opinion on the Middle East conflict -- and got a big surprise. In September 2008, 69% of Americans called themselves pro-Israel. Now, it's only 49%. In September, the same 69% wanted the U.S. to side with Israel; now, only 44%.
How to explain this dramatic shift? Greenberg himself suggested the answer years ago when he pointed out that, in politics, "a narrative is the key to everything." Last year the old narrative about the Middle East conflict was still dominant: Israel is an innocent victim, doing only what it must do to defend itself against the Palestinians. Today, that narrative is beginning to lose its grip on Americans.
Well, to be more precise, the first part of the old narrative is eroding. Nearly half the American public seems unsure that Israel is still the good guy in the Middle East showdown. But the popular image of the Palestinians as the violent bad guy is apparently as potent as ever. The number of Americans who say they support Palestine remains unchanged from last September, a mere 7%. And only 5% want the U.S. government to take such a position.
Those numbers reflect the narrative that President Obama recited in Cairo on June 4th. He chided the Israelis for a few things they are doing wrong -- like expanding settlements and blockading Gaza. To the other side, though, his message was far blunter: "Palestinians must abandon violence." Of Israeli violence he said not a word.
The president's speech implicitly sanctioned the most up-to-date tale that dominates the American mass media and public opinion today: The Israelis ought to be reined in a bit, but it's hard to criticize them too much because, hey, what would you do if you had suicide bombers and rockets coming at you all the time?
That view is a political winner here. In the latest Pew poll, 62% of Americans say Obama is striking the right balance between Israel and Palestine; of those who disagree, three-quarters want to see him tougher on the Palestinians, not the Israelis. A Rasmussen poll finds even stronger support for a pro-Israel tilt.
There are, however, two things wrong with his narrative. First, though it's somewhat less one-sided than the story that prevailed during the George W. Bush years, it is far from impartial, which means the U.S. still cannot act as an even-handed broker for peace in the region. Since no one else is available to play that role, it's hard to see how, under the present circumstances, any version of a peace process can move forward.
The second problem is that the popular narrative just doesn't happen to match the facts. In reality, unjustified violence is initiated on both sides -- and if anyone insists on keeping score, Israel's violence, official and unofficial, outweighs the violence coming from the Palestinians.
Coming to Grips with Jewish Settler Violence
Israeli violence is often overlooked here because so much of it is done by official order of the state. Americans are quick to side with the man who wears the badge. Even when he lets loose the kind of violence that recently devastated parts of the Gaza Strip, the reigning assumption is that his gun is a force for law and order.
But what about the kind of violence Palestinians are so often accused of, the unauthorized civilian-on-civilian kind -- what the experts term "non-state-actor violence" and the rest of us simply call "terrorism"? Though you may not know this, much of it these days is done by Israeli Jews.
"Palestinian civilians bear brunt of settler violence," Agence France-Presse recently reported: "Nestled amid rolling hills and with an eagle eye's view to the Mediterranean coast, Nahla Ahmed's house has all the elements of Eden... if it weren't for the Molotov cocktail-throwing neighbours. 'We put bars on the windows after the first attack, three years ago,' says the 36-year-old mother of four. 'Now they come each week.'"
The
attacks aren't always with Molotov cocktails; sometimes Jewish settlers
throw tear gas canisters, simply spray a Star of David on a wall, or
cut down trees owned by Palestinians. In other incidents, settlers have
shot and killed a 16-year-old boy, fractured the skull of a 7-year-old girl with a rock, set a dog on a 12-year-old boy, and shot dead
an Arab man but let his companion go when he identified himself as
Jewish. These are not egregious, isolated cases of mayhem; they're just
a few random examples of what's happening all too often on the West
Bank. To see how depressingly common such violence is, just Google
"West Bank settler violence" for yourself.
It's easy enough to see what the violence looks like too, since a lot of it has been captured on video. And this is just violence against people. The violence against property is far too common to begin to catalog.
Last December, Jewish settlers in Hebron went on a rampage, shooting at Palestinians, setting fire to homes, cars, and olive groves, defacing mosques and graves. Ehud Olmert, Israel's prime minister at the time, said he was "ashamed" of this "pogrom."
Yet few such settler crimes are seriously prosecuted by the Israeli authorities. The Israeli rights group Yesh Din has documented this in an extensive report, which, the group carefully notes, is merely one more in a long line of similar reports:
"Since the 1980's many reports have been published on law enforcement upon Israelis in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. All of the reports... warned against the failure of the authorities to enforce the law effectively upon Israelis... who committed offenses against Palestinian civilians... Yet the problem of attacks against Palestinian people and property by Israelis has only grown worse, becoming a daily occurrence."
Assessing Hamas Violence
Jewish settlers who commit violence claim just what the Israeli government claims when it directs state-sponsored violence at Palestinian areas: Self-defense -- it was nothing but self-defense. And it's certainly true that there are incidents of individual Palestinians venting their frustration violently. After all, they've been living under an arbitrary, demeaning, and sometimes brutal occupation for 42 years.
According to the common Israeli and American narratives, however, the real culprit and chief roadblock to peace is the constant violence -- suicide bombings and rocket attacks -- planned and carried out by a well-organized political party, Hamas. Again, as it happens, this popular version of events is simply not borne out by the facts.
Consider suicide bombings. In 2003 Israel's premier newspaper, Ha'aretz, reported that Hamas had decided "to stop terror against Israeli civilians if Israel stops killing Palestinian civilians." Though it's not clear that Israel did stop its own killings, Hamas soon halted its devastating suicide attacks. There were two in 2004 and not a single one in the nearly five years since then, according to the Jewish Virtual Library run by the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise (a source hardly sympathetic to Hamas).
The same source counts no "major attacks" on Israeli civilians by any Palestinians since 2006. Though there have been other attacks since then, their frequency has dropped dramatically, and none have been carried out by Hamas itself.
Israelis generally know what most Americans still don't: Suicide bombing, supposedly the trademark of "Palestinian terrorism," has virtually ceased. As a result, Israel's chief complaint has switched to Hamas rocket attacks. How can we let them have the West Bank, the argument goes? Look what happened when we pulled all our settlements out of Gaza and got nothing in return but thousands of rockets. That's why we had no choice but launch our full-scale assault on Gaza in December 2008: to put an end to them.
In fact, though, Hamas rocket attacks had ended in July 2008, when Israel agreed to the ceasefire Hamas had been asking for. That agreement held for four months until Israeli troops killed six Hamas operatives -- shortly before Hamas and Fatah were scheduled to create a unified government. It's a familiar Israeli tactic: block Palestinian unity and then complain of "no partner for peace."
Hamas was also moved by the plight of its people in Gaza, growing increasingly short of food, medical supplies, and other basic goods due to an ever-tightening Israeli blockade.
Yet all this is lost in the story that most Israelis tell, and most Americans believe, about why Hamas began shooting rockets (which, compared to the massive Israeli onslaught in response, did relatively little damage). Equally lost is Hamas's return to its moratorium on firing rockets after the recent Gaza war, formally confirmed by the party's leader, Khaled Meshal, in the New York Times.
Occasional rockets do fly out of Gaza, provoking the usual Israeli demand that Palestinian authorities must prevent every single incident of violence before there can be any talk of peace. That's something like holding the U.S. government responsible for the recent shooting at the Holocaust Museum in Washington or the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
A Mirror Image?
Still, the Palestinian governments in both Gaza and the West Bank could do more to control the private violence of their people, just as the Israeli government could do more to control Jewish settler violence. Yet none of these governments act vigorously because they risk alienating a small but significant portion of their political support.
As the Times's Ethan Bronner recently wrote: "There are striking parallels between the hard-core opponents of a peace deal on each side. They are generally driven by a belief in a law higher than any created by human legislatures; they are exceptionally motivated; and they are very well organized... Many Israeli governments have fallen over the issue."
For the risk of offending hard-core groups, neither side sees obvious countervailing political gain. While a minority on both sides condemns the violence of its compatriots, the majority seems to accept it as an excessive, unfortunate, but understandable response to provocations initiated by the enemy. So neither Hamas, nor Fatah, nor the Israeli government see any clear advantage in bending over backwards to stop attacks by non-state groups.
What's more, as Uri Avnery, the grand old man of the Israeli peace movement, explains: "On both sides, the overwhelming majority want an end to the conflict but do not believe that peace is possible -- and each side blames the other." Each side blames the other because so many on each side believe that those who perpetrate the violence represent the entirety of the other side. We could have peace, the universal complaint goes, if only "the Palestinians" or "the Israelis" would stop their violence.
The tragedy is that, on both sides, those who inflict violence gain little of practical value from it. Indeed the motives that keep the conflict boiling may have little to do with any hope of practical gain from it. When researchers asked nearly 4,000 Israelis and Palestinians what it would take to make peace, few focused on tangible benefits like gaining more land or resources. Most on both sides wanted see "their enemies making symbolic but difficult gestures." They agreed that they would be willing to make concessions, but only if "the other side agreed to a symbolic sacrifice of one of its sacred values." The violence done by non-state actors is perversely satisfying, even if ultimately useless, because it's the most visible way to win little symbolic victories.
A New Narrative
Palestinians can argue, with good reason, that treating the two sides as mirror images creates a false equivalence. After all, one side is the occupier, constantly inflicting symbolic defeats through the use of state-sponsored violence that dwarfs the violence of its private citizens, or sometimes even more powerfully just by using its ability to re-organize the landscape. The other side is the occupied, a people with virtually no tools of state violence to wield even if they want to, struggling every day just to survive. In the U.S. and around the world there is growing pressure to reverse the traditional narrative of these last decades and turn the Israelis into the bad guys.
Given the tiny fraction of Americans who identify as pro-Palestinian, it's fruitless to think that a majority of us would ever adopt such a reversed narrative -- nor would it be very helpful, regardless of the facts. If the Obama administration really intends to be an even-handed broker, forcing the two sides to move towards genuine compromise at the negotiating table, it needs to represent a nation that tells an even-handed story.
Old narratives don't die out simply because they fail to fit the facts. They die out when a more appealing story comes along. The eroding support for Israeli policies in this country signals a growing appetite for a new, more even-handed narrative, one that says this:
The crucial conflict is not between Israel and Palestine. It's between peace and violence. Violence comes from both sides. But there's also the possibility of fostering a strong push for peace on both sides. Here in the U.S., we should urge our government to stop taking sides in the blame game, condemn all the violence -- including, for the first time, Israeli violence -- and support all forces of peace that exist or arise.
It is hard for many of my fellow Jews to accept the painful truth that we are as capable of violence as the Palestinians, or anyone else. But this new narrative is gaining ground rapidly in the American Jewish community, where groups like J Street and Brit Tzedek v'Shalom are making well-organized efforts to promote it and act upon it.
As non-Jewish Americans become aware of that change, they are likely to feel freer to adopt the even-handed narrative as their own, too. When enough of them do, the political winds in this country will change. Then the White House will feel safe enough to tell Israel, as well as Palestine, to stop both state and non-state violence. That's a necessary first step for an even-handed broker who hopes to open a path to peace.
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Show AllFound in the first few paragraphs of Edward Bernays' book: 'Propaganda':
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country...It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind, who harness old social forces and contrive new ways to bind and guide the world."
Propaganda works. And is seen as an essential element of democratic governments.
So the lesson for those who support the 'Palestinians' is to get better at propagandizing the public mind.
Effective propagandizing requires adequate access to the dominant mass media. With the mainstream media in the US virtually blacking out Palestinian points of view in the US, it becomes pretty clear whose propaganda is going to prevail.
q
I'd suggest that it's not as bad as it was though....you can get a lot of information, even the arab television versions of events at times over the internet. And you can actually e-mail with folks in the region that give you their opinions. Harder for anyone to control "media" now than it used to be.
Aside from that I believe the Palestinian people have far more support for their side in the US than commonly supposed.
But none of the organs that you mention are part of the mainstream in media and that mainstream has been restricted to a few voices.
The vast majority of people do not go looking for news; they accept what's put in front of them through the easiest portal to access.
Propaganda only works with passive consumers of information which is what the bulk of our citizens are.
q
Propaganda only works with passive consumers of information which is what the bulk of our citizens are.
True. I guess thats why the reality shows are sucessful. And as Gobbel's proved, no matter the venue, repeat a lie enough and people WILL believe it.
But I do have hopes the internet will make more of a difference. I think of the things I learn at CD (and elsewhere) or the exchanges that make me look at things a different way and am amazed at the difference in the last 20 years. Or how many people you can speak directly to that you only read or heard before.
I would suggest that propaganda works or can work on anybody and everybody. Some of the most propagandized individuals in society are the 'expert class', the 'opinion-makers' - journalists, columnists, politicians, business leaders, media 'personalities', etc. - hardly passive consumers of information, but producers of information.
You're right.
In fact, these "leaders" (opinion-makers - journalists, columnists, politicians, business leaders, media personalities) are the most coveted groups for propagandists.
If you can fool a political leader or union boss, you have another type of propaganda to work with - 'respectable' word of mouth.
It's a real eye-opener to see how many of our "personal" opinions have been fabricated by interested parties.
Re Tirebiter June 26th, 2009 10:11 am
Thanks for the reminder. Bernays' brief quote is a potent antidote for endless hours of conventional corporate punditry.
The absurd portrayal of rock-throwing Palestinian kids as fearsome and bloodthirsty Goliaths, while nuclear-armed Israel is brave little David, is becoming impossible to maintain. Each new Zionist atrocity drives those poll numbers higher.
Edward Bernays, father of modern corporate PR, intended his message to be the importance or elite control of information through elite "manufacture of consent" and the maintenance of "necessary illusions" - terms later coined by his star pupil Walter Lippman.
And no, those of us on these obscure web sites like CD, typing to the choir, are no counterbalance to the milti-billion dollar PR industry.
Correction - "necessary illusions" was coined by theologian Reinhold Niebhur (favorite of Obama) not sure of the context - whether approvingly or dicapprovingly.
"And no, those of us on these obscure web sites like CD, typing to the choir, are no counterbalance to the milti-billion dollar PR industry."
That depends. If millions of obscure web sites displace the viewership of billion-dollar media institutions, then the PR industry will have to change strategies and resort to more event-propaganda, like the World Trade Center collapse.
"In other incidents, settlers have shot and killed a 16-year-old boy, fractured the skull of a 7-year-old girl with a rock, set a dog on a 12-year-old boy, and shot dead an Arab man but let his companion go when he identified himself as Jewish."
Why don't we even know their names so we can recite them alongside the names of Neda Soltan, Cpl. Gilad Shalit, Leon Klinghoffer?
Oh, so silly of me to ask. I forgot those kids were just Palestinians whose lives are worthless.
Well said.
Isn't Shalit still alive? Still being well-treated by Hamas, even after his imprisoners witnessed the violent death of their family members?
We do not know Mr. Shalit's condition. His captors refuse to let the Red Cross see him. For all we know he's dead, like the two Hezbollah captured and returned dead. Or at least being held in conditions that make GITMO look like an embassy suites.
When did Israel let Red Cross see the Palestinians captured by the zionists? You bloody hypocrite!
I can't believe you just said that. Red Cross /Red Crescent have access to Palestian and Lebanese prisoners. Not just that, but prisoners generally have visitation rights for the families and lawyers. So explain why Hamas won't allow the Red Cross to visit Shalit, when Palestinian prisoners get that and more?
Gotcha.
Americans need to get past the fact that many of the Jews in Israel are descendents of Holocaust survivors. They do put on the good front. IN the US, much of the Palestinian support comes from hate groups like "National States' Rights Party", "Nation of Islam" and "American Nazi Party". It also doesn't help the Palestinians that some of their supporters, like the Iranian government say that the Holocaust is a hoax. This only plays into Israel's hands.
Ah, the joyous work of a concern troll.
What would Zionism do without it's body of lies, distortions and demonizations that they present over...
and over...
and over...
and over...
no matter how many times refuted. After all, if they can post it over and over, maybe somebody who doesn't know the truth will believe them, as the result of us tire of re-re-re-refuting them.
For instance, the Iranian government does NOT say the holocaust is a hoax -- they don't dent the holocause happened; what has been said is that the holocaust propaganda industry is a hoax -- and that's true: it is one of the things which drives the slow genocide which Israel and the zionists are inflicting on the Palestinians. Jews are supposed to have reverance for the truth but the zionists propagate lies: they should not even call themselves Jews, and that is often just another of their lies, and they bring shame to Judaism and Jews everywhere. They should not think there will be no retribution to them for this: they are heaping coals of fire on their heads.
Yes, but look at how the jewish scholar of the holocaust industry, Dr. Norman Finkelstein was accused of being a holocaust denier, an self-hating Jew and hounded out of his career (as a Socialist, he was already hated anyway) - even with the help of the Progressive's Matt Rothschild and Ruth Coniff.
Thank you pj, good points. Matt Rothschild is a despicable person and a shoddy journalist who does not deserve to be the editor of Progressive. What a sham
Really, then why did American Nazi Party leader David Duke attend the conference?
The question discussed was what the nature of the holocaust was, and there many people there -- Duke was not excluded. Do you think that because someone attends a conference that determines the nature of the conference? That if Kruschev attended a meeting at the UN that makes the entire UN and all in attendacne communists? What sort of 'logic' is a that? Not logic at all -- just superficial smear by association, as befits the lowest form of propaganda. Go re-point your bricks -- your wall is falling down.
You obviously didn't read my comment. Here it is again.
Americans need to get past the fact that many of the Jews in Israel are descendents of Holocaust survivors. They do put on the good front. IN the US, much of the Palestinian support comes from hate groups like "National States' Rights Party", "Nation of Islam" and "American Nazi Party". It also doesn't help the Palestinians that some of their supporters, like the Iranian government say that the Holocaust is a hoax. This only plays into Israel's hands.
Nothing in that statement is a lie, and you know it. I'm simply pointing out that people are judged by the company that they keep. In the US, much of the support comes from hate groups. This in no way implies that I oppose the Palestinians bid for freedom. I am saying that Palestinians should distance themselves from these groups.
Do you understand my point?
I for one, don't because the record does not support it, it is illogical, read my reply again. Can you provide evidence to support your racist claim?
My point is not racist, and you know it. Why do you lie?
again: show me the evidence!!
Where am I racist? You didn't say, that's because you know I'm not one. You are as big a liar as the neocons. Like the neocons, you have a lot of name calling and no facts.
During the 1973 war that Israel fought with Egypt and Syria, I wrote a letter of support for the Palestinians in their struggle to regain their homeland. I was given 2 booklets, THe first had an introduction from historian Arnold Toynbee. I have great respect for him. THe second booklet was prepared ny the National States' Rights Party, and it was blatantly anti-Jewish. It condemned the Jews for opposing the Vietnam war, which I also did. My point is that Palestinians should distance themselves from this type of support. This is not racist and you know it. Please don't lie.
The religious right in the US has been agressively promoted by Zionists for some time now. Think Rupert Murdoch.
This is in spite of the fact that the religious right is anti-Jewish. Think Pat Buchanan.
Zionists are moral monsters, willing to push any distortion, lie, or demonization. Think KeLeMi.
Israel is an illegal and immoral invasion, and I applaud those resisting the genocidal invasion. Think Palestinians.
Exactly what lie did I push, Wanderer? You're the one lying about what I say.
Again: don't weasel out of it: show me the evidence!
Weasel out of what? Evidence of what? You never say. Since I disagree with you, I'm a racist. You are great on name calling and small on fact.
Show you evidence of something that I was given in 1973? I threw out the tract from the national states' rights party. Besides, I did say that I sympathised with the Palestinians. I was also given a tract with info from historian Arnold Toynbee, also supporting Palestinians' claims. I trust you know who Arnold TOynbee is? I also no longer have this tract. So, in your mind, because I disagree with you, I'm a racist. You, who lies about what people say. By the way, in 1973, the New York Times printed an article stating that in 1973, the 2 organizations supporting the Arab side the most were National States' RIghts Party and Student Non-Violent co-ordinating committee. I don't have that article either.
You are as bad as a Neocon when it comes to discussing an issue with someone with whom you don't agree. YOu'd make Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity proud.
Show you evidence of something that I was given in 1973? I threw out the tract from the national states' rights party. Besides, I did say that I sympathised with the Palestinians. I was also given a tract with info from historian Arnold Toynbee, also supporting Palestinians' claims. I trust you know who Arnold TOynbee is? I also no longer have this tract. So, in your mind, because I disagree with you, I'm a racist. You, who lies about what people say. By the way, in 1973, the New York Times printed an article stating that in 1973, the 2 organizations supporting the Arab side the most were National States' RIghts Party and Student Non-Violent co-ordinating committee. I don't have that article either.
You are as bad as a Neocon when it comes to discussing an issue with someone with whom you don't agree. YOu'd make Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity proud.
Show you evidence of something that I was given in 1973? I threw out the tract from the national states' rights party. Besides, I did say that I sympathised with the Palestinians. I was also given a tract with info from historian Arnold Toynbee, also supporting Palestinians' claims. I trust you know who Arnold TOynbee is? I also no longer have this tract. So, in your mind, because I disagree with you, I'm a racist. You, who lies about what people say. By the way, in 1973, the New York Times printed an article stating that in 1973, the 2 organizations supporting the Arab side the most were National States' RIghts Party and Student Non-Violent co-ordinating committee. I don't have that article either.
You are as bad as a Neocon when it comes to discussing an issue with someone with whom you don't agree. YOu'd make Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity proud.
Where is your evidence? Ever heard of Dr. Norman Finkelstein? Joel Kovel? Dennis Bernstein? Jewish Voice for Peace? What a bunch of hateful nonsense. You think Nazis like Palestinians? You are either terribly misinformed, naive, or are intentionally trying to de-rail the discussion with your illogical nonsense.
Add to that American Jews for a Just Peace as well as Another Jewish Voice in Albuquerque.
No Socialist, I don't think that Palestinians like Nazis. I never said that they did. I did say that in the US, a good deal of Palestinians' support comes from hate groups like the American Nazi Party, and that Palestinians should distance themselves from that type of support.
Naturally you call me naive for trying to insert constructive criticism, something you obviously can't take. I am in no way trying to derail a conference. I am strongly sympathetic to the Palsesinians' suffering. But I do feel that theyneed to be careful of who they embrace. Remember, during the cold war, the US embraced anyone who professed to be anti-communist, and look how often it backfired. I urged the US to keep its distance from certain supporters. THe same is true now with the Palestinians.
Hopefully you will understand what I say and not call me a lying racist because you don't agree with part of it.
Ah, yes there's the old Zionist Ira Chernus here to try to co-opt the liberals. All I had to do is read the first sentence to see what he was leaving out:
"The Israel Project hired pollster Stanley Greenberg...", should have identified him as "who is the pollster that the Clintons use". Gotta keep those AIPAC ties going.
The article lulls you into a false sense of information, then bam! The propaganda sneaks in. The false equivalency of what Zionists and Palestinians want is peace.
To the Zionists, the people Chernus is trying to protect, peace means surrender and slow genocide of the Palestinian people. To Palestinians, peace is the recognition of their human rights and dignity (which would include the right of return and other anathemas to the Israelis). THAT IS THE POINT THAT CHERNUS WANTS TO GLOSS OVER WITH HIS EQUIVALENCY.
Zionists like Chernus are moral monsters, because they appropriate the language of morality and twist it for evil ends such as a genocidal occupation.
Nicely stated and insightful, but Chernus is not that clever. Just another dupe collecting his salary from corporate nexus power which reflects right wing values, and dancing off the strings of the status quo power grid. I don't think Chernus has ever been in any real way a part of the left. My guess is he is unconscious to the glossing, but then again, maybe you are right. It is hard to tell these days with so many 'yes' men running the system.
Could we not address more urgent issues along with the Palestinian problem. The lack of concern about Darfur and other more urgent areas is not helpful.
edit...I shouldn't have said lack of concern, I know people care, I should have said lack of coverage.
Still with the red herrings, I see.
Why are you afraid to have a discussion about the Israeli-Palestinian issue? COuld it be that you have nothing to say other than the tired old zionist excuses of "self defense" and accusations of anti-Semitism?
q
Nope. As I said on the other string, you were correct...but a bit rude to suggest troll....that I was off topic and I've been here far too long to do that. I certainly have no trouble expressing my opinions about this or anything else.
As to your suggestion of my opinions, I'll just say that there are problems and right/wrong on each side which is what makes this so hard to solve. Anyone that believes that only one side is right needs to start thinking a bit more. While the Palestinians have the best case and right is more on their side in this, the Israeli have some justification on their side.
Opposing Israel makes no one anti-Semitic unless they are doing it because they hate Jews. I don't hate Israel so I'm not anti-Semitic, so if I believe them mostly to be in the wrong here, it doesn't make me an anti-Semite.
I'll be happy to answer any specific question you might have for me as I certainly not afraid to discuss anything with anyone here, but other than that, I have nothing of value to add to this discussion at this point, so I'll just be quiet unless I do.
Pax
And now you see the REAL definition of anti-Semitism.
"I don't hate Israel so I'm not anti-Semitic..."
According to Zionists, if you hate Jews (like the religious right in America) BUT support Israel, then abracadabra - you're NOT anti-Semitic.
But if you believe in the rights and human dignity of all people, which include both Jews AND Palestinians - BINGO! You're anti-Semitic, YOUR CARRER IS DESTROYED AND YOU ARE PUBLICLY DEMONIZED.
Zionists are moral monsters, and by their definition, moral people are anti-Semitic.
Zionists like having it both ways.
Yet another way they corrode moral discourse.
Nice try, but your diversionary non sequitors are growing tiresome. You appear rather naive and ignorant, please stick to the issue at hand.
...A few days earlier, Palestinian psychiatrist Eyad Sarraj told me of a game he plays with his young nephew called “Arab and Jew.” In the game, his nephew would play a Palestinian, chasing Dr. Sarraj around the yard and pretending to throw rocks at him. Not long ago, they played the game again, but this time his nephew insisted on playing the Israeli. Shortly into the game the small boy leapt onto his uncle’s back and began to beat him as hard as he could. Once Dr. Sarraj was able to escape his nephew’s brutal attack, he immediately asked his sister about the change in her son’s behavior. She told him that the child had recently witnessed his father humiliated and severely beaten by Israeli soldiers. Dr. Sarraj tells this anecdote to illustrate a growing trend he’s seen in young Palestinians: As parents, especially fathers, are humiliated, beaten, arrested, and otherwise disempowered in front of their children by Israeli soldiers, they lose their status as protectors in their children’s eyes. Desperate for signs of strength in terrifyingly unstable and dangerous times, young Palestinians find a new role model: the Israeli soldier....
...The psychiatrist notes that many of these children grew up to embrace more violent weapons in the second Intifada in 2000, a response to the brutal abuse and humiliation they’d witnessed. More than 45% of Palestinian children have watched Israeli soldiers beat and/or arrest their fathers, and the trend Dr. Sarraj describes has grown exponentially since the December/January massacre. Since the attacks, more than 75% of the youth of Gaza do not believe their parents can protect them from Israeli soldiers. Surrounded by the rubble of schools, hospitals, and whole neighborhoods, and with virtually no hope of employment upon graduation (the siege-induced unemployment rate is 80%), it is hard for the youth of Gaza to envision much of a future. And it is virtually impossible for their parents, highly educated but lacking agency and employment, to give them hope.
The trauma that is now part of the Palestinian psyche, that forces Palestinian youth to seek the new role model of the Israeli soldier, can be seen at its worst when these children grow up. Dr. Sarraj tells another story from a brief detention in a Palestinian prison. In the cell next to his, he heard a Palestinian guard interrogating a prisoner. The guard’s voice became louder and more frantic as his anger grew, until he began screaming at the prisoner in Hebrew. Dr. Sarraj later learned that the guard had been severely tortured in an Israeli prison. In this moment of uncontrollable anger, the guard became his tormentor.
Stories like these are all too frequent,,,
Emily Ratner is an organizer and mediamaker based in New Orleans. She is currently traveling in Gaza with a delegation of journalists, organizers and human rights workers from the US South.
guernica, very thought provoking post. Cycles repeating within wheels turning within wheels. And overlaid upon it all? A fog of obfuscation.
Another thing that might be changing the American view is that more and more are traveling to Israel and seeing the hardship the Palestinians endure.
Having just returned from there with 90 fellow church members, we all have a new view of the conflict there and we didn't even travel to the Gaza Strip or the West Bank.
We also endured harassment at the hands of the Jews and watched as Jewish kids spray-painted over the cross on road signs indicating historical places.
As more and more eyes are opened, the truth will eventually be known.
Wouldn't most of the holy sites that Christians would visit - Bethlehem, Calvary, the Church of the Holy Sepuchre (Jesus' tomb), the Jordan River where Jesus got baptized, all be in the West Bank?
Jesus was, first and foremost, a radical Palestinian!