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Terrorists in Prison: Is There Anything the Right Doesn't Fear?
The "debate" over all the bad and scary things that will happen if Obama closes Guantanamo and we then incarcerate those detainees in American prisons is so painfully stupid even by the standards of our political discourse that it's hard to put into words, and it also perfectly illustrates the steps that typically lead to America's National Security policies:
(1) Right-wing super-tough-guy warriors project some frightened, adolescent, neurotic fantasy onto the world -- either because they are really petrified by it or because they want others to be ("Putting Muslim Terrorists in our prisons will make us Unsafe! -- Keep them away from me, please!!!");
(2) Rather than scoff at the inane fear-mongering or point out simple facts to reveal its idiocy, Democratic "leaders" such as Harry Reid echo the right-wing fears in order to prove how Serious and Tough they are -- in our political debates, the more frightened one is, the more Serious and Tough one is -- and/or because they are genuinely frightened of being called mean names by Sean Hannity ("Harry Reid isn't as scared of this as I am, which shows that he's weak");
(3) "Journalists" who are capable of nothing other than mindlessly reciting what they hear then write articles depicting the Right's frightened neurosis as a Serious argument, and then overnight, a consensus emerges: Democrats are in big trouble politically unless they show that they, too, are as deeply frightened as the Right is.
Until recently, I thought the single most embarrassingly stupid event of the last decade's national security debates -- the kind that will make historians look back with slack-jawed amazement -- was the joint dissemination in the run-up to the war by the Bush administration and the American media of playing cards that featured all of the "Most Wanted" Iraqi Villains and their cartoon villain nicknames. Saddam Hussein was the Ace of Spades; Huda Salih Mahdi Ammash -- Mrs. Anthrax -- was the Five of Hearts; Ali Hassan al-Majid -- Chemical Ali -- was the King of Spades; sadly, Dr. Rihab Rashid Taha -- the dreaded "Dr. Germ" -- didn't make it to the deck, but she certainly had her day in the American media sun (AP: "Iraq's 'Dr. Germ' Surrenders to Coalition" -- CNN: "U.S. military holding 'Dr. Germ,' 'Mrs. Anthrax'").
If you weren't on board with all of that -- if you weren't hiding under
your bed shaking when these cartoons were shown on the TV -- that meant
that you were neither Tough nor Serious. Just as is true now, the
Tough and Serious people were the ones who became frightened by the
comic book villians. All of that led to reports like this from CNN:
U.S. commanders said that they have no intention of resting until the mission is complete and they have the top prize, Saddam -- the ace of spades in the notorious deck of cards.
Saddam's sons Qusay, the ace of clubs, and Uday, the ace of hearts, died in a raid in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul. . . .Key to tracking down Qusay and Uday was the capture of the ace of diamonds, No. 4 on the list, Abid Hamid Mahmud al-Tikriti, . . . Still unclear is the fate of No. 5 -- the king of spades -- Ali Hassan al-Majid, known as "Chemical Ali" . . . . U.S. military officials said they still want to capture or kill those who remain at large and put the entire deck of cards out of business.
And this from CNN:
KELLI ARENA, CNN ANCHOR: Let's go to the Pentagon for details of that capture of another player in the Pentagon's deck of cards. CNN's Patty Davis is on the story -- Patty.
PATTY DAVIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Kelli. Another big fish now in U.S. custody. The U.S. Central Command says it is retiring the six of clubs from that deck of most wanted Iraqis. Now he is Lieutenant General Husam Muhammad Amin Al-Yasin.
Now, Lieutenant General Amin was the liaison for the U.S. weapons inspectors before the war, a key figure in Saddam Hussein's weapons program. He held briefings, giving Iraq's point of view about those inspections and could very well have valuable information about, for the U.S. about any Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Now clearly a very big get for the U.S. On the deck of cards now, 13 of the 55 now in custody.
How can "journalists" who said things even show their face in public? If there were transcripts of you saying things like this on national television, wouldn't you want to go immediately jump off the nearest bridge? Yet not a single American media organization ever questioned why they kept warning Americans about Chemical Ali, Mrs. Anthrax and Dr. Germ once there were no chemical weapons found in the entire nation of Iraq.
Despite all that, we never tire of the specter of the Big, Bad, Villainous, Omnipotent Muslim Terrorist. They're back, and now they're going to wreak havoc on the Homeland -- devastate our communities -- even as they're imprisoned in super-max prison facilities. How utterly irrational is that fear? For one thing, it's empirically disproven. Anyone with the most minimal amount of rationality would look at the fact that we have already convicted numerous alleged high-level Al Qaeda Terrorists in our civilian court system (something we're not being told can't be done) -- including the cast of villains known as the Blind Shiekh a.k.a. Mastermind of the First World Trade Center attack, the Shoe Bomber, the Dirty Bomber, the American Taliban, the 20th Hijacker, and many more -- and are imprisoning them right now in American prisons located in various communities.
We've been doing that for two decades. What are all the bad and scary things that have happened as a result? The answer is: "nothing." Take note, Chris Cillizza and friends: while it's true that "not a single prisoner has escaped from Gitmo since it was created," it's also true that no Muslim Terrorists have escaped from American prisons and SuperMax prison "has had no escapes or serious attempts to escape." The only person to even make an attempt is Green Arrow, who hasn't succeeded despite the help of Joker and Lex Luthor.
I really want to know: when our nation's stalwart right-wing warriors (along with Harry "Fighting the Good Fight" Reid) become petrified at the thought of keeping Muslim Terrorists in our prisons, what exactly do they fantasize will happen? What bad things specifically do they fear are going to occur? I asked that question last night on Twitter and these were some of the responses I received:
Atrios: crawl up through our toilets and steal our vital essence
GeorgiePorger: Abu Ghraib in their backyard?
akaBruno: They'll join up with T-Bag, Lincoln Burrows and Michael Scofield and break out of Fox River
JonahKeri: That they'll turn this into a lawless, chaotic state and make people live in a constant state of riled-up fear. Oh wait...
One right-wing warrior-blogger tried to answer the question earnestly by pointing out that in November, 200o, a Muslim Terrorist violently attacked a prison guard. A report from the Dallas Morning News on prisoner-on-guard attacks found that in 2007 alone -- just in Texas -- there were "more than three dozen staff assaults with weapons." But that's a perfect distillation of the fear-wallowing right-wing mindset: hey, one time, 9 years ago, a Muslim Terrorist attacked a prison guard, so now we have to keep all Muslim Terrorist-prisoners in cages on a Cuban island with no trial because I'm too scared to keep them in an American prison.
Isn't it rather obvious how degraded a citizenry becomes when there's this constant effort to keep them in a state of intense fear of everything? Even after eight long years of the Bush era, our leading political figures and media stars -- especially the Toughest and Most Serious ones -- still quiver with paralyzing fear, completely take leave of their senses, the minute someone utters the word "Terrorist" and especially the phrase "Muslim Terrorist." The last two elections proved that Americans themselves generally are no longer frightened by this tactic, but for our poltiical and media elites, "Terrorist" is still an all-purpose justifying phrase.
Here's a dramatic and deeply serious video that examines the National Security Crisis caused by Terrorists in American prisons, and illustrates the level of our political debates in Serious Circles over these matters:
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Show AllSometimes stupidity is just self evident as in this case.
Tell it Glenn!
Yes, the deck of cards thing was absurd when it was happening. I had forgotten all about it.
The Sheeple are funny to observe.
Obama should shut up and close GITMO immediately so that our honorable soldiers will quit being blamed on all that "torture in GITMO" crap.
"Honorable soldiers," lol. Well, some are, some aren't. I was a soldier, and most soldiers at first are rubes wishing to be thugs.
Why just the other day a shifty eyed Muslim woman (at least I think it was a woman - who can tell when all you can see are their eyes?) stepped on the bus and started reaching for something. I reacted bravely and swiftly, tackling her(?) to the floor of the bus. She CLAIMED she was reaching for her bus pass but I could smell the semtex the moment she entered the bus. Having done my patriotic duty, I left the bus secure in the knowledge that I had just saved the lives of dozens of hard-working Americans ('cept for the smelly homeless guy curled up in the back corner).
The problem is that probably 80% of americans wouldn't realize what you wrote was satire.
I want it well known I am not one of the 80%.:)
Y'know, this is actually NOT satire. It's bitter, acerbic, pointed, venomous, and angry, and deservedly so. But it's not satire. THIS is satire:
Reporters said today that Congress has passed a law renaming the Homeland Security Department as "Heimat Security" and fully funding the program to protect Americans from some underappreciated terrorist threats. Included in the program were actions to stop bomb-carrying little dogs--Chihuahuas, Pekingese, Puli, Shih Tzu, Shiba Inu, Basinjis, and Pomeranians in particular, many of whom have foreign origins and are enrolled in organizations promoting sexual relations, some international.
Several breeds of terriers were also listed originally but were removed when it was realized they had only been included because "terrier" had been mis-spelled and mistaken for something more dangerous. De-listing Papillons was also considered when it was discovered they were not as likely to escape from island prisons as was previously believed, but so many drowned taking part in the research that uncovered this that it is feared others will seek revenge.
Also included in the law will be programs to stop the threat from terrorist-trained jellyfish, metaphorical and informational email letter bombs, poison ink, Islamic-oriented thought control through dental fillings, propagandistic films, books and music CDs containing the words "Allah", "Walla Walla", "jihad", "yeehah", and "Western", the Green dye found on pistachio nuts, (many of which come from Iran), the letter "Q" when not followed IMMEDIATELY by a "u", running with scissors, unconventional keyboard arrangements on computers, pianos and elephants, photographs of people in bathrobes and other non-form-fitting dress, sandals, maps and blueprints, wires, koala bears with overbites, books, knowledge of any kind, communication skills, peaceful feelings, John Denver songs, psychotherapists, yoga, meditation and self-defense classes, beards, funny or unfriendly looks, feminists, peace organizations, environmentalists, liberals, moderate conservatives, semi-moderate conservatives, semi-extreme right wing conservatives, non-Pentecostal churches, ideas, thinking and feeling, reading, talking, being, romance novels, dominos, the game of Go, small cars with good gas mileage, glasses, thongs and bikinis, lace underwear, leather, pink, boxes, bicycles, windmills and home-based photovoltaic systems, cell phones, the Democratic and Green political parties, the Constitution, mention of the founding fathers and violence in the same sentence, the flag of the British East India corporation…
List continued on secret memos not included here for Heimat security reasons.
A clear demonstration of cause and effect.
Cause: continuous fear-mongering including but not limited to color-coded TERRORISM alert levels, swine and avian flu hysterics, TSA-imposed rituals, CO2 as pollutant and global warming threat, etc.
Effect: pure unadulterated witlessness.
Due to prenatal hormonal imbalance, the right wing idiot is born with neurotic panic hardwired into its excuse for a brain.
Thus when they use their "excuse for a brain" they end up wetting themselves with it.
I saw footage of all these "brave" congress dorks demanding that these people NOT be sent to their states. I couldn't believe the fear that was oozing off of all of them. Where do these morons think that the prisoners will be held? They won't be down at the local 7-11, they won't be working at their beloved WalMart, they won't be hanging out at the wife's sewing club. They will be in PRISON. For the love of God, we already have people who are FAR worse in prison, why don't these people complain about THEM?
In Colorado, we have Terry Nichols, we have Ted Kaczinsky, we have the worst of the bad. We had Timothy McVeigh until they fried him. What's the big freaking deal? NONE of these guys seems to instill fear into the hearts of these "brave" representatives, why do people that we kidnapped and never charged with anything?
America is represented by a bunch of COWARDS. It's time to get rid of ALL of them and replace them with people who have some backbone. Not these "I'm tough" types, but those who actually have some intestinal fortitude. This is absolutely disgusting. I've never seen such a bunch of whining cowards in my life.
WJM "I couldn't believe the fear that was oozing off of all of them."
Are you sure it was fear and not something else like...hmmmm...booze?
-Democratic "leaders" such as Harry Reid echo the right-wing fears in order to prove how Serious and Tough they are
Maybe if more of the "progressives" got their act together and elected, even one single solitary Green, these clowns you call journalists in America would have some reality to report on. As it is, you have 2 to 4 more years of the same coalition government with no opposition whatsoever.
Right-wingers should fear more, I think, heavily armed radical, atheist, patriotic veterans like me. The two right wings of the Property Party are beginning to micturate us off.
Wait a sec. Are you saying you think they're seriously frightened?
Do you think they want us to believe they're that stupid? Wow.
I took it as just another day of "Let's Play Congress."
They have to be laughing their asses off.
No?
smipypr
Where would the Gitmo Graduation Class of '09 go? What would they do if they escaped? The combination of sensory overload and culture shock would stop them just outside the wire. Maybe Joe Arpaio can put the Gitmo guys in pink jumpsuits and feed them bread and water. Where's all that Red State law-and order fervor now?
Is There Anything the Right Doesn't Fear?
Yes, money and killing. They love money and killing.
"Right-wingers should fear more, I think, heavily armed radical, atheist, patriotic veterans like me." Godistwaddle, you are the man.
Cowardly, bloodthirsty, corrupt poicticians may soon find that useing them as target practice has become an act of patriotism. Take out a few and the rest will dissapear into the nearest landfill to cower and hide.
GITMO and the "Terrorist" are pure Political Theatre.
For eight years, the Bush Admin has been doing everything it could to scare everyone, and feed money to its friends.
The tactics work best on the Right. The Christian Right is scared of the Muslims. The Worldwide Jihad is coming and they will all have to renounce Christ and accept Mohammed, or die.
It doesn't matter if, the Jihadist have no State, no Army, and no Navy. It doesn't matter if they are less of a threat, than climate change.
Their faith is so weak, even talk about Evolution could kill it.
So we went to War to protect us from "the Enemy", spent Billions of Dollars, given to Cheney/Bush friends and we are not really that much "safer". But they kept the Christian Right safe from the Big Bad Muslims, or at least the appearance of safety.
Now reality will take hold. If Pakistan goes, the Jihad will have a State and Nukes. And it will be the fault of Bush and CO.
It really doesn't matter anyway. Soon America will be a true Third World Country, and the people will only have to worry about, shelter, food and local security.
I'm so busy being afraid that illegal immigrants are streaming across our border to rape our women and force us to buy drugs and steal our jobs and welfare that I simply don't have the mental time to worry about Muslim Terrorists with bio-nuclear weapons secretly hidden up their butts escaping SuperMax prisons and forcing us all to turn east and pray 5x/day...
frank -
i hear you, i'm w/ you man. many would say your paranoid and bigoted. huh... they obviously haven't studied the demographics of the brown tide sweeping the red white and blue shores of this great land, from sea to shining sea - from the statue of liberty to the golden gate.
start taking precautions frank. start at the local locksmith - dead bolts are the best deal in town. next, you need a kick ass car alarm, followed by a monthly home security contract w/ one of those security outfits like adt.
a gun is always useful, actually your going to need a few guns - right. you never know occasionally out of the blue the buggers can sneak up from behind you. you'll need a handgun or two plus a high powered rifle.
i know, it all adds up - a lot of money, but all said and done isn't it worth it to protect yourself and your neighbors, to know in a heartbeat you can rise to amerca's defense !!
also - to stop the brown tide, you'll want to hook up w/ a few friends, try the local fundamentalists churches first.
you might want to upgrade to a black or white suburban w/ tinted windows, practical - you can stuff 5 or 6 people in one, and they work well off road. all of your investments are securing a local economy devoted to preserving the peace in your community - bonus...
finally to stem your fear and truly feel as though your stemming the tide of undesirables - i recommend you spend your vacation next summer helping the minute men guard our southern border. just a thought - a chance to see the struggle up close and personal. plus i've read on the internet that occasionally you get the chance to see a real live muslim terrorist crossing the border. imagine that - brown tide my ass.
- keep the faith -
...peace...
yes you were right.
you and him are bigots and racists.
immigrants have ... ,
ok, you want to believe that the hypothetical creature i portrayed doesn't exist - or that it may not represent a fearful conservative (as frank tied fearful rednecks to the anti-immigration issue - i think there's overlap there - )
look, it was satire - i'm sorry i offended you, but what attitudes are preventing the creation of a multi racial society - that your link to immigration myths rightfully holds in high esteem ?
i suggest there are many factors - call an alarm company tonight for fun and talk w/ a salesman. tell him your on the fence, just can't make up your mind - then listen to the fear.
try a gunshow next.
satire helps me retain my sanity in a world that is completely irrational (god and guns). if my post offends you - please read past it.
by the way i don't give a sh-t about the US/Arizona border or the sanctity of nation/state borders - i have no problem w/ open borders and global immigration. i would much rather live on earth, with a single government that respects biodiversity and the human cultural diversity that mirrors earth's myriad landscapes. i hope to see that before i die.
a couple of links...
http://www.theonion.com/content/
http://www.funnytimes.com/cartoons.php
(funny weekly satire if you care for it)
...peace...
My forefathers arrived in Connecticut in 1634 and extirminated some Indians. Since then we've had to put up with Polacks, Micks, Spics, Dagoes, Frogs, Hymies, Hunkies, Blockheads, Slopes and all kinds of other riff-raff. whyn't you people go back where you came from?
immigrants don't steal welfare, and they do pay taxes.
check out the link
www.ime.gob.mx/investigaciones/aportaciones/arizona.pdf
Myths about Immigration
http://www.neighborhood-centers.org
/en-us/content/Immigrants+and+Immigration.aspx
You have used this Mexican government propaganda site (www.ime.gob.mx/investigaciones/aportaciones/arizona.pdf) before. BS. You need to understand that we US citizens are paying for all your sex and fun with OUR hard earned money and OUR responsible approach to having children. Mexico has now exported all of its problem population to the tune of 15% of the entire population of Mexico to California and Arizona. We need to send them all back because if they are allowed to push the whites out there will be no one to take care of the little fellows who remain.
Major story today:
Immigrants murder blacks with assault weapons in Hawaiian Gardens, Ca. because they are 75% of that cities population and the Blacks are only 4%. They want to kill all Blacks.
Immigrants flood the Social Security offices in every city in America. Just yesterday in the Berkeley Social Security office there were two Hispanic families in the middle of the day both with yet another baby in the belly and fat daddy and five kids all running around unsupervised by their parents who just sit there like fat little bumps. Face the truth, they multiply faster than tribbles, having three generations of 5-7 children each in 36 years which is projected to take the population of California from 40 million to 160 million in less than 20 years. They refuse to learn the language and they are destroying what was once a beautiful country.
They won't stop having kids because they really have no conception or respect of civilization and they refuse to learn. They drop out after they claim to need special education to the tune of $35,000 a year for each child they can get claimed as retarded with their bogus legal claims.
If you are in another state, keep them out, because you really don't want your state to have to eliminate public education because Hispanics won't use birth control and "think babies are so cute". Primitive uneducated Mexicans are flooding the country and not remotely pulling their weight. They are just taking and eating and breeding, over and over and over again.
For every one who actually works and pays taxes there are 25 who are welfare leeches who are destroying this country with their whining, vicious, whining, vicious cycle of destruction. They arrested 147 members of the "Hate Gang" in Hawaiian Gardens, CA composed of little porkers armed to the teeth just this morning. Each of these little gang tattooed thugs had 20 guns apiece including assault rifles, shotguns, Glocks, etc. They are distributing the guns to others and selling Peruvian Coke and Mexican Brown heroin and pushing it relentlessly in the schools and neighborhood parks. Talk about scum. These people are the biggest problem that we face in America.
We have been pointing over our shoulders since the days of the American Dustbowl migration of the 1930's after the last great depression. Hoover was the first Republican to encourage them to come over the border illegally and low ball picking jobs to undermine the Americans who were already here. The banks failed then, and property was foreclosed and people who had lived sharecropping had to pull up and move west. There is no west now and there was very little then. And we still keep allowing the Mexicans to come into the country and take our jobs and force us out on the street.
Life is cheap in Mexico and with 20 people in one room there, they keep making more children who will only know misery. Are they just stupid, or arrogant, or terminally cruel to their children? Why do we have to take care of people who do not care for themselves? Why not stay home in Mexico and fix problems there? Are Mexicans just too lazy? I think so.
The little bandits staged a "You Tube" fight video against a 55 year old female music teacher doing yard duty yesterday in El Cerritto, Ca which is adjacent to Berkeley in Northern California. When the teacher told them to stop they picked up stones and surrounded the teacher and stoned her, STONED HER! When the principal bravely pushed through the crowd of "cute little children" middle schoolers and the teacher was able to escape the horror, she went upstairs to her classroom to check her injuries they would not let her into her classroom. The creeps blocked her doorway and had their stones and continued to throw them at her. The police thankfully arrived and saved her from being killed.
These criminals need to be gathered up and fed to the sharks who they seem willing to copy. They live for violence. We do not need their kind. We are solving our problems and they just keep creating more to keep us busy and unable to enjoy our lives. Instead we have to engage in foreign wars to make up for the economic drag and drain their presence demands.
Three cheers for the FBI, the local police, and the rule of law. If aliens are ever allowed to stay here they need to have vasectomies and their tubes-tied at facilities at the ports of entry. We just don't want or need them here. We never did. They are not even fit for OUR crummy civilization. They carry multiple diseases including tuberculosis and hepatitis and refuse to stop reproducing in outrageously increasing numbers.
They have completely destroyed the peace that was achieved with blood and sacrifice by recent generations between Blacks and Whites and seem completely content to whine and say they have been exploited. They are making a dare and it will be addressed. Leave now please before much tougher street solutions are taken by people who will stop being victimized by people who need to keep it in their pants.
Even the usual trolls are silent. I guess they have no rejoinders to truth which I present. So now that they agree then maybe they can leave and barbecue each other on the beach. A little brisquet of Hispo would be nice to eat. I guess this is a substitute for immigration reform. So they get to eat the little folks. Although I am not into cannibalism the thought of retiring the decimators of our economy and our futures by these Mexicans I am getting more intrigued at eating them in the
BBQ manner. When you catch one can you candy them before you smoke them? The delicacy of Mexican pork-fed human-like folks gets my palate excited!!!
A new cottage industry of folks who will not practice birth control. Who needs conquest when beaners offer themselves and their children for mastication. ?
hear, hear - let us not cower in corners. 'tis the american way to boldly capitalize on humanities misfortune - be they muslim terrorists or brownies.
A Modest Proposal , by Jonathan Swift - 1729
http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/jswift/bl-jswift-modest.htm
{"I shall now therefore humbly propose my own thoughts, which I hope will not be liable to the least objection.
I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee or a ragout.
I do therefore humbly offer it to public consideration that of the hundred and twenty thousand children already computed, twenty thousand may be reserved for breed, whereof only one-fourth part to be males; which is more than we allow to sheep, black cattle or swine; and my reason is, that these children are seldom the fruits of marriage, a circumstance not much regarded by our savages, therefore one male will be sufficient to serve four females. That the remaining hundred thousand may, at a year old, be offered in the sale to the persons of quality and fortune through the kingdom; always advising the mother to let them suck plentifully in the last month, so as to render them plump and fat for a good table. A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends; and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.
I have reckoned upon a medium that a child just born will weigh 12 pounds, and in a solar year, if tolerably nursed, increaseth to 28 pounds.
I grant this food will be somewhat dear, and therefore very proper for landlords, who, as they have already devoured most of the parents, seem to have the best title to the children."}
pass the ketchup and get on w/ it ...
...peace...
But I don't think the point made by people who don't want the detainees on US soil is that they will literally, physically break out of prison. It's that because they would be in the US, there would exist the possibility that they could get in front of a judge who might let them out, because they couldn't be convicted using our normal legal protections, and can't be held without charge legally under US law. Wasn't the reason the prison was set up in GITMO to do an end run around US law? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Many of us watched a moronic harry reid say that the prisoners would have to be released before they could be moved to any US prison. When asked what that meant he just repeated the same inane, stupid comment. THIS IS LEADERSHIP????
As I recall Harry Reid, the Senate's top Democrat, is a Morman like John Yettaw and Ted Bundy.
Sioux Rose
No one mentioned the art of projection. I remember when I was in college the person always quick to suggest that this person or that was gay was probably the person most likely to fear his own homosexuality.
All this talk of the "enemy outside" is a means of disassociating ownership of the levels of harm and violence the U.S. (and its self-defined Christian leadership) has directed at Muslims.
The truth is too painful to bear; and that is why just about every aggressive war calls for scapegoating a specific target group. Upon this unfortunate population is cast the shadow of the darkness about to be perpetrated (like a pass to assuage guilt) upon them. Costumes, eras and targeted groups alter, but not the modus operandi, so long as it works. I wish more saw through it.
i'm surprised these clowns haven't figured out how to spin this one. its easy. put it on fox
prime time saturday night like wrestling with the old good vs evil spin to it with the
kkk leader vs shiek ali jabbar blah blah blah with the task of saving america from these
evil WRONG DOERS to paraphrase king george. then budweiser and other corporate
clowns would place ads! it would be so.... singularly 2 k americana with a lack of a clue
brain or anything else for that matter!
Why should the political right be afraid? They have all the money. They can and always have paid somebody else to die for them.
They have not neglected to do everything in their power to create a permanent underclass who have few occupational choices except the military.
It is they, the rich, who wave the flag, Say 'America first', sing the national anthem, wear the lapel pin and consign to the pillory anyone who does not follow their example.
The rich own the munitions factory and know how to whip up anti-communist fervor when their workers ask for a living wage.
What I never could understand was the worker, trying to support a family of four on eight dollars an hour, being the first in line to fight the communist plot which threatened the community.
It works every time, and I'll be damned if I can figure out what is going on.
nietzche,
it's a good point (why do the masses joyfully embrace the ideas of their ideological enemies). until we learn how to reprogram our fellow citizens , raising consciousness (dialogue), we're doomed.
"I'll be damned if I can figure out what is going on."
right wing radio, maybe ?
the red/blue map seems to split along rural-urban lines, even inside 'red' states and 'blue' states. the folks in the hinterlands - don't always have cable tv or high speed internet service (should be free and accessible everywhere in the US).
i believe rural americans may - by default - be more influenced by right wing radio, in their cars and in their homes. i can't receive dem now or pacifica radio broadcasts where i live now, and i live in a city. if i didn't have inet access, the most liberal source of media i'd be exposed to is public radio (very corporate), hardly progressive.
then there's the network TV news, christian identity and the obsession w/ professional sports (which draws a lot of time and attention away from politics - from addressing our collective problems as communities, not as individual sects/teams).
christianity - us vs. them
professional sports - us vs. them
fox tv - US good
rush limbaugh - US good under any circumstance, taxes bad.
employer - did you here what i said ?
it all adds up to a dysfunctional citizenry (not even factoring functional illiteracy 20-25% into the equation).
consciousness raising is necessary - our hopes live in the hope of reforming institutions like schools, unions and community groups that can provide a counterweight to the darkness - the madness. that's going to take a generation of reprogramming - if it happens at all in our lifetime (systemic social transformation benefiting all earthlings). anything is possible.
...peace...
The right wing never says exactly what it means (if it did, it would have even less support than it currently does).
The ostensible message is that Democrats want to endanger our communities. The real reason is that Bush and company said these Guantanamo detainees were "the worst of the worst," even though most of them have been quietly returned to their host countries without charges and often without explanation--or apology. Apart from perhaps a dozen or so who would probably be quickly convicted in civil criminal courts had not the Bushies tortured both them and the witnesses against them, the rest are minor criminals or completely innocent.
So, the true, underlying reason is that the right wing doesn't want them in prisons where their treatment must meet minimum standards, must conform to Federal law, where they would likely have easier access to the civil court system. They want them to continue to be mistreated and left in a legal limbo, because Bush said they were "the worst of the worst." To do otherwise would be to admit that Bush and Cheney had lied about them--just as Bush and Cheney have lied about virtually everything.
When the choice is between justice and protecting their favorite liars, the right in this country will always choose the latter.
Bingo!
Which is why the "progressives" in Congress should call the right wing out on this and educate the public exactly as you have just done. That should be Harry Reid's job. The "progressives" should grow a bit of backbone, and show the right to be the laughing-stock it is for us.
Reefer Madness
The 'Centrist Dems' and the rethugs voted to not support the Pres. It had nothing to do with money nor having 'them' in their backyards, ad nauseum.
I may be a bit out there, but I think it was done to thwart the growing strength of a progressive arm of the Dem Party.
I would guess that what is really behind it is if they are held within US territory than they would be given legal rights otherwise denied to them, and then more of the truth might come out.
Granted, he mentions certain Democrats mirroring the Right on this issue. But why is this article even framed in terms of the Right? The Dems are just as bad on this, just looks at the recent Senate vote, 90-6, to not transfer enemy combatants (er, "detainees") out of Guantanamo.
"1) Right-wing super-tough-guy warriors project some frightened, adolescent, neurotic fantasy onto the world -- either because they are really petrified by it or because they want others to be ("Putting Muslim Terrorists in our prisons will make us Unsafe! -- Keep them away from me, please!!!");"
In 30 years as a soldier, I would rather have a liberal watching my back than a conservative.
'Take note, Chris Cillizza and friends: while it's true that "not a single prisoner has escaped from Gitmo since it was created," it's also true that no Muslim Terrorists have escaped from American prisons and SuperMax prison "has had no escapes or serious attempts to escape."'
Glenn, you can't expect serious commentary from Chris "Democrats and Republicans, Democrats and Republicans, Democrats, and Republicans" Cillizza! He writes practically every day about politics, but there is never any mention of any party besides his favorite two, and most of that coverage is about the "horse race" aspect of campaigns rather than the actual issues.
Terrorists in Prison:
Kidnapped and sold to the CIA is more like it -
No indictment, no trial, no conviction, no sentence, no exit
Yes, there is one thing the Right Wing Nuts don't fear: themselves (oddly enough, it should be the only thing they truly fear)
" Yet not a single American media organization ever questioned why they kept warning Americans about Chemical Ali, Mrs. Anthrax..."
" Huda Salih Mahdi Ammash -- Mrs. Anthrax -- was the Five of Hearts" was in charge of research into the long-range effects on the Iraqi population of the chemical and depleted uranium weapons used by the US in the first Gulf War. All the evidence was 'looted' from Iraqi hospitals when the US took over.
And it all stems from the original corny hammed up political theater known as 9/11, which was a sequel to the equally hyped Cold War, when they intimated that but for our brave troops in Europe it would be overrun by the Commie hordes.
I think WWII was the last genuine conflict we got into.
Ezeflyer makes a good point: Righties just aren't tough. I think because they get out of serving, which for all its unpleasant aspects, may well make one less fearful.
I don't understand how the Dems can pass up such golden straight lines. How about: Ootsy babee, is um fwightened?
Don't be scared, the grownups will protect you.
Originally, all high-profile prisoners were to be held in U.S. prisons but a reading of John Yoo's Memo of March 13, 2002 explains the need to house them in Afghanistan and GITMO in order to facilitate their being extraordinary renditioned. To quote from the page one summary of the memo:
"We conclude that the President has full descretion to transfer Al Qaida and Taliban prisoners captured overseas and detained outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States to third world countries. GPW [Note: the Geneva Conventions] does not restrict the President's descretion because the President has determined that the Al Qaida or Taliban detainees are not legally entitled to prisoner of war ("POWs") status within the meaning of the conventions. The Torture Convention poses no obstacle to transfer because the treaty does not apply extraterritorially. As removal applies only to the transfer of individuals already within the territorial juridiction of the United States, and as extradition is rarely applied to individuals held abroad, those methods of transfer do not apply to the detainees held either in Afghanistan or at the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba."
Prisoners were held outside of the United States, not to protect us from them, but to facilitate the President's plan to torture them.
Busque la verdad!