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Unexceptional Americans: Why We Can't See the Trees or the Forest: The Torture Memos and Historical Amnesia
The torture memos released by the White House elicited shock, indignation, and surprise. The shock and indignation are understandable. The surprise, less so.
For one thing, even without inquiry, it was reasonable to suppose that Guantanamo was a torture chamber. Why else send prisoners where they would be beyond the reach of the law -- a place, incidentally, that Washington is using in violation of a treaty forced on Cuba at the point of a gun? Security reasons were, of course, alleged, but they remain hard to take seriously. The same expectations held for the Bush administration's "black sites," or secret prisons, and for extraordinary rendition, and they were fulfilled.
More importantly, torture has been routinely practiced from the early days of the conquest of the national territory, and continued to be used as the imperial ventures of the "infant empire" -- as George Washington called the new republic -- extended to the Philippines, Haiti, and elsewhere. Keep in mind as well that torture was the least of the many crimes of aggression, terror, subversion, and economic strangulation that have darkened U.S. history, much as in the case of other great powers.
Accordingly, what's surprising is to see the reactions to the release of those Justice Department memos, even by some of the most eloquent and forthright critics of Bush malfeasance: Paul Krugman, for example, writing that we used to be "a nation of moral ideals" and never before Bush "have our leaders so utterly betrayed everything our nation stands for." To say the least, that common view reflects a rather slanted version of American history.
Occasionally the conflict between "what we stand for" and "what we do" has been forthrightly addressed. One distinguished scholar who undertook the task at hand was Hans Morgenthau, a founder of realist international relations theory. In a classic study published in 1964 in the glow of Camelot, Morgenthau developed the standard view that the U.S. has a "transcendent purpose": establishing peace and freedom at home and indeed everywhere, since "the arena within which the United States must defend and promote its purpose has become world-wide." But as a scrupulous scholar, he also recognized that the historical record was radically inconsistent with that "transcendent purpose."
We should not be misled by that discrepancy, advised Morgenthau; we should not "confound the abuse of reality with reality itself." Reality is the unachieved "national purpose" revealed by "the evidence of history as our minds reflect it." What actually happened was merely the "abuse of reality."
The release of the torture memos led others to recognize the problem. In the New York Times, columnist Roger Cohen reviewed a new book, The Myth of American Exceptionalism, by British journalist Geoffrey Hodgson, who concludes that the U.S. is "just one great, but imperfect, country among others." Cohen agrees that the evidence supports Hodgson's judgment, but nonetheless regards as fundamentally mistaken Hodgson's failure to understand that "America was born as an idea, and so it has to carry that idea forward." The American idea is revealed in the country's birth as a "city on a hill," an "inspirational notion" that resides "deep in the American psyche," and by "the distinctive spirit of American individualism and enterprise" demonstrated in the Western expansion. Hodgson's error, it seems, is that he is keeping to "the distortions of the American idea," "the abuse of reality."
Let us then turn to "reality itself": the "idea" of America from its earliest days.
"Come Over and Help Us"
The inspirational phrase "city on a hill" was coined by John Winthrop in 1630, borrowing from the Gospels, and outlining the glorious future of a new nation "ordained by God." One year earlier his Massachusetts Bay Colony created its Great Seal. It depicted an Indian with a scroll coming out of his mouth. On that scroll are the words "Come over and help us." The British colonists were thus pictured as benevolent humanists, responding to the pleas of the miserable natives to be rescued from their bitter pagan fate.
The Great Seal is, in fact, a graphic representation of "the idea of America," from its birth. It should be exhumed from the depths of the psyche and displayed on the walls of every classroom. It should certainly appear in the background of all of the Kim Il-Sung-style worship of that savage murderer and torturer Ronald Reagan, who blissfully described himself as the leader of a "shining city on the hill," while orchestrating some of the more ghastly crimes of his years in office, notoriously in Central America but elsewhere as well.
The Great Seal was an early proclamation of "humanitarian intervention," to use the currently fashionable phrase. As has commonly been the case since, the "humanitarian intervention" led to a catastrophe for the alleged beneficiaries. The first Secretary of War, General Henry Knox, described "the utter extirpation of all the Indians in most populous parts of the Union" by means "more destructive to the Indian natives than the conduct of the conquerors of Mexico and Peru."
Long after his own significant contributions to the process were past, John Quincy Adams deplored the fate of "that hapless race of native Americans, which we are exterminating with such merciless and perfidious cruelty... among the heinous sins of this nation, for which I believe God will one day bring [it] to judgement." The "merciless and perfidious cruelty" continued until "the West was won." Instead of God's judgment, the heinous sins today bring only praise for the fulfillment of the American "idea."
The conquest and settling of the West indeed showed that "individualism and enterprise," so praised by Roger Cohen. Settler-colonialist enterprises, the cruelest form of imperialism, commonly do. The results were hailed by the respected and influential Senator Henry Cabot Lodge in 1898. Calling for intervention in Cuba, Lodge lauded our record "of conquest, colonization, and territorial expansion unequalled by any people in the 19th century," and urged that it is "not to be curbed now," as the Cubans too were pleading, in the Great Seal's words, "come over and help us."
Their plea was answered. The U.S. sent troops, thereby preventing Cuba's liberation from Spain and turning it into a virtual colony, as it remained until 1959.
The "American idea" was illustrated further by the remarkable campaign, initiated by the Eisenhower administration virtually at once to restore Cuba to its proper place, after Fidel Castro entered Havana in January 1959, finally liberating the island from foreign domination, with enormous popular support, as Washington ruefully conceded. What followed was economic warfare with the clearly articulated aim of punishing the Cuban population so that they would overthrow the disobedient Castro government, invasion, the dedication of the Kennedy brothers to bringing "the terrors of the earth" to Cuba (the phrase of historian Arthur Schlesinger in his biography of Robert Kennedy, who considered that task one of his highest priorities), and other crimes continuing to the present, in defiance of virtually unanimous world opinion.
American imperialism is often traced to the takeover of Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Hawaii in 1898. But that is to succumb to what historian of imperialism Bernard Porter calls "the saltwater fallacy," the idea that conquest only becomes imperialism when it crosses saltwater. Thus, if the Mississippi had resembled the Irish Sea, Western expansion would have been imperialism. From George Washington to Henry Cabot Lodge, those engaged in the enterprise had a clearer grasp of just what they were doing.
After the success of humanitarian intervention in Cuba in 1898, the next step in the mission assigned by Providence was to confer "the blessings of liberty and civilization upon all the rescued peoples" of the Philippines (in the words of the platform of Lodge's Republican party) -- at least those who survived the murderous onslaught and widespread use of torture and other atrocities that accompanied it. These fortunate souls were left to the mercies of the U.S.-established Philippine constabulary within a newly devised model of colonial domination, relying on security forces trained and equipped for sophisticated modes of surveillance, intimidation, and violence. Similar models would be adopted in many other areas where the U.S. imposed brutal National Guards and other client forces.
The Torture Paradigm
Over the past 60 years, victims worldwide have endured the CIA's "torture paradigm," developed at a cost that reached $1 billion annually, according to historian Alfred McCoy in his book A Question of Torture. He shows how torture methods the CIA developed from the 1950s surfaced with little change in the infamous photos at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. There is no hyperbole in the title of Jennifer Harbury's penetrating study of the U.S. torture record: Truth, Torture, and the American Way. So it is highly misleading, to say the least, when investigators of the Bush gang's descent into the global sewers lament that "in waging the war against terrorism, America had lost its way."
None of this is to say that Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld et al. did not introduce important innovations. In ordinary American practice, torture was largely farmed out to subsidiaries, not carried out by Americans directly in their own government-established torture chambers. As Allan Nairn, who has carried out some of the most revealing and courageous investigations of torture, points out: "What the Obama [ban on torture] ostensibly knocks off is that small percentage of torture now done by Americans while retaining the overwhelming bulk of the system's torture, which is done by foreigners under U.S. patronage. Obama could stop backing foreign forces that torture, but he has chosen not to do so."
Obama did not shut down the practice of torture, Nairn observes, but "merely repositioned it," restoring it to the American norm, a matter of indifference to the victims. "[H]is is a return to the status quo ante," writes Nairn, "the torture regime of Ford through Clinton, which, year by year, often produced more U.S.-backed strapped-down agony than was produced during the Bush/Cheney years."
Sometimes the American engagement in torture was even more indirect. In a 1980 study, Latin Americanist Lars Schoultz found that U.S. aid "has tended to flow disproportionately to Latin American governments which torture their citizens,... to the hemisphere's relatively egregious violators of fundamental human rights." Broader studies by Edward Herman found the same correlation, and also suggested an explanation. Not surprisingly, U.S. aid tends to correlate with a favorable climate for business operations, commonly improved by the murder of labor and peasant organizers and human rights activists and other such actions, yielding a secondary correlation between aid and egregious violation of human rights.
These studies took place before the Reagan years, when the topic was not worth studying because the correlations were so clear.
Small wonder that President Obama advises us to look forward, not backward -- a convenient doctrine for those who hold the clubs. Those who are beaten by them tend to see the world differently, much to our annoyance.
Adopting Bush's Positions
An argument can be made that implementation of the CIA's "torture paradigm" never violated the 1984 Torture Convention, at least as Washington interpreted it. McCoy points out that the highly sophisticated CIA paradigm developed at enormous cost in the 1950s and 1960s, based on the "KGB's most devastating torture technique," kept primarily to mental torture, not crude physical torture, which was considered less effective in turning people into pliant vegetables.
McCoy writes that the Reagan administration then carefully revised the International Torture Convention "with four detailed diplomatic 'reservations' focused on just one word in the convention's 26-printed pages," the word "mental." He continues: "These intricately-constructed diplomatic reservations re-defined torture, as interpreted by the United States, to exclude sensory deprivation and self-inflicted pain -- the very techniques the CIA had refined at such great cost."
When Clinton sent the UN Convention to Congress for ratification in 1994, he included the Reagan reservations. The president and Congress therefore exempted the core of the CIA torture paradigm from the U.S. interpretation of the Torture Convention; and those reservations, McCoy observes, were "reproduced verbatim in domestic legislation enacted to give legal force to the UN Convention." That is the "political land mine" that "detonated with such phenomenal force" in the Abu Ghraib scandal and in the shameful Military Commissions Act that was passed with bipartisan support in 2006.
Bush, of course, went beyond his predecessors in authorizing prima facie violations of international law, and several of his extremist innovations were struck down by the Courts. While Obama, like Bush, eloquently affirms our unwavering commitment to international law, he seems intent on substantially reinstating the extremist Bush measures. In the important case of Boumediene v. Bush in June 2008, the Supreme Court rejected as unconstitutional the Bush administration claim that prisoners in Guantanamo are not entitled to the right of habeas corpus.
Salon.com columnist Glenn Greenwald reviews the aftermath. Seeking to "preserve the power to abduct people from around the world" and imprison them without due process, the Bush administration decided to ship them to the U.S. prison at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan, treating "the Boumediene ruling, grounded in our most basic constitutional guarantees, as though it was some sort of a silly game -- fly your abducted prisoners to Guantanamo and they have constitutional rights, but fly them instead to Bagram and you can disappear them forever with no judicial process."
Obama adopted the Bush position, "filing a brief in federal court that, in two sentences, declared that it embraced the most extremist Bush theory on this issue," arguing that prisoners flown to Bagram from anywhere in the world (in the case in question, Yemenis and Tunisians captured in Thailand and the United Arab Emirates) "can be imprisoned indefinitely with no rights of any kind -- as long as they are kept in Bagram rather than Guantanamo."
In March, however, a Bush-appointed federal judge "rejected the Bush/Obama position and held that the rationale of Boumediene applies every bit as much to Bagram as it does to Guantanamo." The Obama administration announced that it would appeal the ruling, thus placing Obama's Department of Justice, Greenwald concludes, "squarely to the Right of an extremely conservative, pro-executive-power, Bush 43-appointed judge on issues of executive power and due-process-less detentions," in radical violation of Obama's campaign promises and earlier stands.
The case of Rasul v. Rumsfeld appears to be following a similar trajectory. The plaintiffs charged that Rumsfeld and other high officials were responsible for their torture in Guantanamo, where they were sent after being captured by Uzbeki warlord Rashid Dostum. The plaintiffs claimed that they had traveled to Afghanistan to offer humanitarian relief. Dostum, a notorious thug, was then a leader of the Northern Alliance, the Afghan faction supported by Russia, Iran, India, Turkey, and the Central Asian states, and the U.S. as it attacked Afghanistan in October 2001.
Dostum turned them over to U.S. custody, allegedly for bounty money. The Bush administration sought to have the case dismissed. Recently, Obama's Department of Justice filed a brief supporting the Bush position that government officials are not liable for torture and other violations of due process, on the grounds that the Courts had not yet clearly established the rights that prisoners enjoy.
It is also reported that the Obama administration intends to revive military commissions, one of the more severe violations of the rule of law during the Bush years. There is a reason, according to William Glaberson of the New York Times: "Officials who work on the Guantanamo issue say administration lawyers have become concerned that they would face significant obstacles to trying some terrorism suspects in federal courts. Judges might make it difficult to prosecute detainees who were subjected to brutal treatment or for prosecutors to use hearsay evidence gathered by intelligence agencies." A serious flaw in the criminal justice system, it appears.
Creating Terrorists
There is still much debate about whether torture has been effective in eliciting information -- the assumption being, apparently, that if it is effective, then it may be justified. By the same argument, when Nicaragua captured U.S. pilot Eugene Hasenfuss in 1986, after shooting down his plane delivering aid to U.S.-supported Contra forces, they should not have tried him, found him guilty, and then sent him back to the U.S., as they did. Instead, they should have applied the CIA torture paradigm to try to extract information about other terrorist atrocities being planned and implemented in Washington, no small matter for a tiny, impoverished country under terrorist attack by the global superpower.
By the same standards, if the Nicaraguans had been able to capture the chief terrorism coordinator, John Negroponte, then U.S. ambassador in Honduras (later appointed as the first Director of National Intelligence, essentially counterterrorism czar, without eliciting a murmur), they should have done the same. Cuba would have been justified in acting similarly, had the Castro government been able to lay hands on the Kennedy brothers. There is no need to bring up what their victims should have done to Henry Kissinger, Ronald Reagan, and other leading terrorist commanders, whose exploits leave al-Qaeda in the dust, and who doubtless had ample information that could have prevented further "ticking bomb" attacks.
Such considerations never seem to arise in public discussion.
There is, to be sure, a response: our terrorism, even if surely terrorism, is benign, deriving as it does from the city on the hill.
Perhaps culpability would be greater, by prevailing moral standards, if it were discovered that Bush administration torture had cost American lives. That is, in fact, the conclusion drawn by Major Matthew Alexander [a pseudonym], one of the most seasoned U.S. interrogators in Iraq, who elicited "the information that led to the US military being able to locate Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the head of al-Qa'ida in Iraq," correspondent Patrick Cockburn reports.
Alexander expresses only contempt for the Bush administration's harsh interrogation methods: "The use of torture by the U.S.," he believes, not only elicits no useful information but "has proved so counter-productive that it may have led to the death of as many U.S. soldiers as civilians killed in 9/11." From hundreds of interrogations, Alexander discovered that foreign fighters came to Iraq in reaction to the abuses at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, and that they and their domestic allies turned to suicide bombing and other terrorist acts for the same reasons.
There is also mounting evidence that the torture methods Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld encouraged created terrorists. One carefully studied case is that of Abdallah al-Ajmi, who was locked up in Guantanamo on the charge of "engaging in two or three fire fights with the Northern Alliance." He ended up in Afghanistan after having failed to reach Chechnya to fight against the Russians.
After four years of brutal treatment in Guantanamo, he was returned to Kuwait. He later found his way to Iraq and, in March 2008, drove a bomb-laden truck into an Iraqi military compound, killing himself and 13 soldiers -- "the single most heinous act of violence committed by a former Guantanamo detainee," according to the Washington Post, and according to his lawyer, the direct result of his abusive imprisonment.
All much as a reasonable person would expect.
Unexceptional Americans
Another standard pretext for torture is the context: the "war on terror" that Bush declared after 9/11. A crime that rendered traditional international law "quaint" and "obsolete" -- so George W. Bush was advised by his legal counsel Alberto Gonzales, later appointed Attorney General. The doctrine has been widely reiterated in one form or another in commentary and analysis.
The 9/11 attack was doubtless unique in many respects. One is where the guns were pointing: typically it is in the opposite direction. In fact, it was the first attack of any consequence on the national territory of the United States since the British burned down Washington in 1814.
Another unique feature was the scale of terror perpetrated by a non-state actor.
Horrifying as it was, however, it could have been worse. Suppose that the perpetrators had bombed the White House, killed the president, and established a vicious military dictatorship that killed 50,000 to 100,000 people and tortured 700,000, set up a huge international terror center that carried out assassinations and helped impose comparable military dictatorships elsewhere, and implemented economic doctrines that so radically dismantled the economy that the state had to virtually take it over a few years later.
That would indeed have been far worse than September 11, 2001. And it happened in Salvador Allende's Chile in what Latin Americans often call "the first 9/11" in 1973. (The numbers above were changed to per-capita U.S. equivalents, a realistic way of measuring crimes.) Responsibility for the military coup against Allende can be traced straight back to Washington. Accordingly, the otherwise quite appropriate analogy is out of consciousness here in the U.S., while the facts are consigned to the "abuse of reality" that the naïve call "history."
It should also be recalled that Bush did not declare the "war on terror," he re-declared it. Twenty years earlier, President Reagan's administration came into office declaring that a centerpiece of its foreign policy would be a war on terror, "the plague of the modern age" and "a return to barbarism in our time" -- to sample the fevered rhetoric of the day.
That first U.S. war on terror has also been deleted from historical consciousness, because the outcome cannot readily be incorporated into the canon: hundreds of thousands slaughtered in the ruined countries of Central America and many more elsewhere, among them an estimated 1.5 million dead in the terrorist wars sponsored in neighboring countries by Reagan's favored ally, apartheid South Africa, which had to defend itself from Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), one of the world's "more notorious terrorist groups," as Washington determined in 1988. In fairness, it should be added that, 20 years later, Congress voted to remove the ANC from the list of terrorist organizations, so that Mandela is now, at last, able to enter the U.S. without obtaining a waiver from the government.
The reigning doctrine of the country is sometimes called "American exceptionalism." It is nothing of the sort. It is probably close to a universal habit among imperial powers. France was hailing its "civilizing mission" in its colonies, while the French Minister of War called for "exterminating the indigenous population" of Algeria. Britain's nobility was a "novelty in the world," John Stuart Mill declared, while urging that this angelic power delay no longer in completing its liberation of India.
Similarly, there is no reason to doubt the sincerity of Japanese militarists in the 1930s, who were bringing an "earthly paradise" to China under benign Japanese tutelage, as they carried out the rape of Nanking and their "burn all, loot all, kill all" campaigns in rural North China. History is replete with similar glorious episodes.
As long as such "exceptionalist" theses remain firmly implanted, however, the occasional revelations of the "abuse of history" often backfire, serving only to efface terrible crimes. The My Lai massacre was a mere footnote to the vastly greater atrocities of the post-Tet pacification programs, ignored while indignation in this country was largely focused on this single crime.
Watergate was doubtless criminal, but the furor over it displaced incomparably worse crimes at home and abroad, including the FBI-organized assassination of black organizer Fred Hampton as part of the infamous COINTELPRO repression, or the bombing of Cambodia, to mention just two egregious examples. Torture is hideous enough; the invasion of Iraq was a far worse crime. Quite commonly, selective atrocities have this function.
Historical amnesia is a dangerous phenomenon, not only because it undermines moral and intellectual integrity, but also because it lays the groundwork for crimes that still lie ahead.
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Show AllThank you Noam! The past eight years have stripped the illusions from my eyes and I now see that the US is the great terrorist state of our era and the Israelis are second in line. How shameful that these crimes are committed day in and day out and the perpetrators are being rewarded for their heinous crimes!! I have absolutely no sympathy for the US and I actually hope that it is reduced to poverty and that justice will be brought to bare on this terrorist state!!! Obama is another one of these criminals!
"I actually hope that it is reduced to poverty"
Thanks for your kind thought. I'm sure Noam is glad of another convert.
Tom, you are ridiculous. Chomsky does incredible work and he's not 'pushing' a religious point of view, or a political point in the sense that you and other rednecks are selling reactionary, militaristic politics.
So your use of the word "convert" is dumb and lacking intellectual integrity.
You, and some of the more recent commenters miss the point of the critique of exceptionalism. The US is no better than anyone else; neither is it any worse; all empires perform the same. Why wish the US to be reduced to poverty? The actual imperialists never suffer; they take the money and run to the next emprire, or if elderly, to a nice gated community in some other empire, and retire in comfort. Poverty for Americans is no more to be wished for than poverty for Nigerians or Guatemalans; unless you are practicing some other form of exceptionalism. But the logical error, with all the implied egocentrism and poor judgment, is the same.
I very much agree. I was going to write something of that nature but you beat me to it!
"The actual imperialists never suffer." Actually it might be that all they ever do is suffer. What we visit upon others is usually in direct and concrete correlation to what has already been done or is currently being done to ourselves. The human tragedy is that to exhume these personal ghosts, we enact their haunting upon others. Obama has ghosts, his choices reveal all .....a legion of ghosts.....in his psyche...in his soul....in his DNA. The actual suffering seems to be in direct correlation to the material obsessions that an individual is plagued with. The more they suffer the more power they need to have to offset the hungry cancer that invades them, the more others must suffer and the excuses for justification mount at an alarming rate.
When or how can this psychological disease of hurting self and hurting others end?
We assume that we must punish others for their crimes, or they go unpunished...and who creates that assumption amongst us if not the criminals themselves, those hurting most? What is it they say about assumptions......who among our leaders understand today the higher laws of checks and balances and hold the fear and awe appropriate to such? That great understanding of cause passed from generation to generation has been lost forever it seems as we witness it's effect unfold before our eyes, unstoppable.
Kudos for Mr. Zinn for trying to point the way back to the truth....it cannot hurt to try.
Very profound comment. We may be no worse than other empires but neither have we done anything to slow the exponentially escalating world motto of "Do unto others as they have done to you".
Empires can't get started without first spouting the ultimate truths of which everyone is aware and everyone agrees would really produce an earthly paradise. Once everyone signs on, emergencies arise, or short cuts appear, or threats loom.
When most people are distracted and look away, the ultimate bait-and-switch occurs and most people never even notice.
Thoreau was right--- all governments are evil. Not just necessary evils---monstrously evil. They always will be.
"all governments are evil. Not just necessary evils---monstrously evil."
Yes I think this truth holds special value for today. It was as though Thoreau was seeing into the future as he noticed the unraveling of the past. His words hold special meaning for us all to think long and hard about. How can we be free and yet give up our freedom to another persons whim? This conflict in democracy must be resolved if we are to escape the destructive byproduct of it's growth. War, strife, conflict are the direct cause of that one simple act of childish and foolish wish fantasy. Free to give up freedom is not freedom at all but it's mangled and diseased twin we call representative.
In this world, some people suffer but deny it while some others don't and yet play the victim game to cheat themselves ahead. And then there are the rest of us who are ready to come clean even if it feels a bit painful to be honest at first. But like they always say, the longer one hides the truth, the more pain to suffer.
I think you are onto something there, Max...
Since you recognize your own suffering and the suffering of others...
and seek to discern and alleviate the root cause of your pain...
You are conscious of the relative conditions and stations each of us have in life...
You are conscientious of the pragmatic function of compassion and kindness...
You are responsible for your own words & actions to not contribute to the suffering of others...
You treat others with the respect that you deserve, whether they deserve it or not...
Since you are but one voice in the choir, you know it is really not all about you...
There is no need to be defensive or try to prove anything to anybody else...
"oh what a twisted web we weave when first we practice to deceive."
I believe the correct wish would be that the USA no longer had the economic wherewithall to spend the combined military expenditures of the rest of the world terrorizing half the world.
Amen to that!
Agreed.
Sorry, but they own the Printing Presses that make the money, the Media that provides the propaganda for it, and the Guns, which they can use in case anyone might forgets who's really in charge.
Thank you Norm!
Much more than a printing press is necessary for a viable economy. In fact viable economies need not have printing presses.
I agree with that as well. The suffering of US little people will serve no purpose, but defanging the corporatists in charge is critical.
It is time for Merkins to remember what Jesus said, (Mark: 37:22)--"The stench of the stinking corpses of stinking bankers hanging from lamp-post across the U.S. is a sweet aroma in the nostrils of the LORD."
AgingPacifist and I have one thing in common -- we are both aging. However, there are some significant differences. For one, he is a pacifist and I am not in all circumstances. For another, he does not believe that the only current global empire, one with total global reach and in possession of and routinely using the most destructive weapons of war, can be distinguished from any others nor can it be judged more harshly for those actions. He also appear to absolve soldiers and citizens of responsibility, referring to the actual imperialists as powerful, moneyed and safely ensconced against judgment. For another, he appears not to know or at least not to acknowledge that in fact imperialist war criminals are being cornered, restricted in movement, confronted repeatedly, and in some cases finding themselves prosecuted, if only on their deathbeds. What Chomsky accomplishes is simply and with complete fairness to take the lies and myths and rationalizations of our empire which which live in our bones and minds, the empire created within our collective minds since the day they set us in front of the TV and the teachers of the official U.S. curriculum, and he lets facts shred them. If the U.S. is no worse than any other, as AgingPacifist suggests, it certainly has endured and practiced its horrendous empire of slavery, torture, sponsorship of genocidal dictatorships, etc, on a grander geographical scale, with greater firepower (spent or not), and for much longer than most. I can not buy the idea that all empires perform the same, given that none ever has covered every corner of the globe with 700 plus bases. No other has colonized the mind of humanity on a global level with such insidious propaganda. And perhaps no other has convinced so many of their powerlessness such that they so deeply and readily kneel before the empire, buying its lies, joining in its propaganda, worshiping its ideals, not feigning such obeisance for the purpose of survival but wholeheartedly owning it as their own.
Yes there is a specific peculiarity here on these soils. Was it the persecution that we "escaped" and ultimately dissatisfied with that freedom, chose to practice for familiarity and comfort upon others? This is one line of inquiry that needs full discovery.
It is the American People who are being reduced to poverty......"The Power Elite" have moved their money and property all over the world.
It has been amazing to see Obama expand the "War" effort and scam the American People. "Everything is getting better." Not......Thank you Zbigniew Brzezinski and Henry Kissinger for policies of "EVIL".
It was the "Wise Men" of "Post World War II" who decided to re-document Nazi Scientists and Psychologists, 1600 of them in "Operation Paper Clip", and bring them to the United States. Yes, those Nazis were instrumental in forming our CIA, DOD, and NASA. Those "Wise Men" even protected some Nazi SS officers.
"Evil Men" are capable of changing hats quickly.
"May God have mercy on us all"
THEY LIVE!!!
CHOMSKY is really wrong, wrong, wrong about americans.
Americans are generally EXCEPTIONAL. doesn't he know that YET after all his years of writing and views and experience? doesn't he know that americans are EXCEPTIONALLY STUPID as citizens...exceptionally ignorant for such a large, powerful, rich country? exceptionally well-entertained but poorly-informed ?
doesn't he realize that americans have an EXCEPTIONAL ability to be in denial that the USA IS and HAS been the cause of so much suffering elsewhere with its policies?
CHOMSKY should realize by now that americans are EXCEPTIONAL in putting BLAME ON OTHERS for mistakes and stupidity the USA and "americans way of life" makes....
Mr. CHOMSKY-- you are a disappointment for calling americans UNEXCEPTIONAL!
"Historical amnesia is a dangerous phenomenon"
Folks should go back over the years and read Noam to see what real historical amnesia is.
Which means what? Can you clarify?
Please try to understand "poor Thomas" he is usually not happy unless he has both "feet in his mouth" and then "both legs".
Good Luck Thomas, you really really need it.
A little too judgmental there wouldn't you say?
NativeSon ---- More and more strikes me as a professional government propagandist.
He claims to be a 'Nam Marine from Dallas son of a Marine. But I swear a post a few weeks back he claimed to really be a women who had been in the peace corps in Kabul.
And it used to be Moore but it may also be my faulty memory.
Yeah, I noticed that. He grew real quiet when our solder fragged a bunch of soldiers in Iraq. Too close to home, eh Tommy Tippy?
50% fits in with Professional Propagandist. Remember all the Professional Zionists during the Gaza Holocaust? It was publicized that the IDF had agents working the Blogosphere.
THAT'S VERY DISRESPECTFUL AND VERY UNPATRIOTIC OF YOU TO BE TRASHING OUR HONORABLE SOLDIERS LIKE THAT ! EITHER YOU APOLOGIZE OR LEAVE THE COUNTRY AND LIVE IN FRANCE IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT !! YOU'RE RUINING IT FOR THE LIBERALS AND PROGRESSIVES !! RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!
yo - sancho, did you see any crazy white people scribbling around here ? the kinda people who would cut off your hands, rather casually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Mae_Aquash
{On February 24, 1976, Aquash was found dead by the side of State Road 73 on the far northeast corner of the Pine Ridge Reservation, about 10 miles from Wanblee, South Dakota, close to Kadoka. Her body was found during an unusually warm spell in late February, 1976 by a rancher, Roger Amiotte.[2] The first autopsy (reports are now public information) states: "it appears she had been dead for about 10 days." The Bureau of Indian Affairs' medical practitioner, W. O. Brown, missing the bullet wound on her skull, stated that "she had died of exposure." [4]
Subsequently, her hands were cut off and sent to the Federal Bureau of Investigation headquarters in Washington, D.C. for fingerprinting. Although federal agents were present who knew Anna Mae, she was not identified, and her body was buried as a Jane Doe.}
thank you for speaking truth to power. (also, the sentiment expressed in native son's posts)
YA BASTA !!!
...peace...
Sancho 6:06 ------- Whoa Sancho! Max is very conflicted, he really has good values but is working in the War for Profit industry even though he wishes not to.
He is really having a nervous breakdown, he needs to be counseled.I am not joking.
And on a lighter note ------ Please send any donations for my Southern France Villa( I will also accept Southern Spain and Italy) to this Swiss Bank Account Number xxxxx
Take a tranquiliser Maxy Pain!
Mr. More,
Noam's article is exactly about the arrogant, blood-soaked US-exceptionalism that you so strongly display down to your marrow whenever the issue of US foreign policy and military intervention comes up.
From the Phillipines, to Indochina, to Indonesia, to Chile and Argentina, to Central America, to Iraq and Afghanistan, the US declares itself A Special People, chosen by God, to slaughter inferior humans by the millions in pursuit of the interests of it's powerful and wealthy!
Then, they recieved a little pinprick in return. Oh! the crocodile tears!
I agree with risingdawn, like an alchoholic, the US needs to hit rock-bottom before it can realize its ways and get on a 10-step program.
So it's just the US that's at fault but all other countries are "clean" ? This is why I get angry at liberals and progressives who trash their own country as if the conservatives aren't doing enough of it. I understand that the US has had plenty of faults and that our society has become too cornfed and retarded to get anything right but instead of beating us on it, why don't you progressives and liberals be a little bold and lift us out of it? I guess it's too easy to keep saying "It's your fault, personal responsibility, yak-yak-yak ...", isn't it? It's time to SHUT UP, honor the hard working Americans and honorable soldiers who are trying to save your ass and be productive. And I take a break from work for this !?!?!? Damn ! I know that there is a lot of corrections in this country to be made but I love my country to death and so should you so either shut up and try to help or please leave the country and live in Europe where the economy is right now standing at a faultline and ready for a free fall. See how you like living homeless on the streets there, will you ?!?!?
Listen pal, I was born, lived and worked all my life right here in the U.S.A. I pay taxes, have never been on welfare. If my country is wrong, I'm a traitor if I remain silent. YOU are a traitor to try to shut people up. "My country right or wrong" is bullshit. Other countries aren't the issue but since you brought it up, read the book "The Tyranny of Oil" by Antonia Juhasz. It uses "FACTS", not jingoistic opinions to explain how we have had a nasty habit of sticking our noses in other countries, ripping them off, enslaving their workers and creating a backlash requiring our military intervention for well over 100 years. This ain't water under the bridge, pal. This is ongoing policy. If you want to believe in santa Claus, that's your business. But don't tell us to shut up for the truth.
AGG, I think I love you........you've got a big brain! Also essential reading about America's dirty past is The Shock Doctrine.....by Naomi Klein....all about the Chicago school and Milton Friedman. Your eyes will be opened and so will your mouth. We were certainly very busy in South America during Ronnie Reagan's reign.
Thanks. It takes a big brain to recognize a big brain.
Warning, they could be too big to fail. LOL !
Naomi Klein is just a paid celebrity who could care less about the working class even in Canada. While her book, Shock Doctrine, may be technically correct about the overall situation, it's just all talk and no walk. She too is taking money from MIC anyway.
What is your source or reference for your claim...?
Maxi, how about a nice vacation in Cancun?
"It's time to SHUT UP, honor the hard working Americans and honorable soldiers who are trying to save your ass and be productive."
True, "our" soldiers are very productive.
What planet do you live on? Planet Mid West? Dick Cheney told you "our" soldiers fight to save your ass and you believe it! Open your eyes, look back into the history of USA, and tell us did you send "our" soldiers to Phillipines, Cuba, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Kosovo...?
They are not "our" soldiers, you fool, they are Corporate America's soldiers fighting for sugar-cane plantations, ores and oil - not for your sorry ass. Try to harm Corporate America's interests on USA soil and you'll see whose side "our" soldiers are on.
You made me angry!
maxpayne is a semiliterate loon whose main objective, it seems, is to derail every thread with his scattershot incoherency.
This site would be better off if everyone just ignored him.
I take it personally that you would go so far to disparage LOONs, and to then imply that they might not be able to read, as well.
Them red-eyed birds are better connected to darth cheney's dim recess, than any human is …
The lyrical profundity of their echoing wobbling song is proof that God has a great sense of humor. Darth has none.
Namaste
max,
I have worked very hard for my country, in my local anti-war comittee, organizing and attending dozens of mass demonstrations in Pittsburgh, DC and New York since 2001. I have escaped arrest, pepper spray and tazings myself, but most of my friends haven't.
If you can find another country that has invaded, covertly overthrown, or supported more bloodthirsty dictators in more countries since the end of WW2 - please name it.
But before you do, please read William Blum's "Killing Hope - A History of US military and CIA interventions since WW2"
What is a "10-step program"? By the way--just curious--are you by any chance a New World Order-style globalist?
Thomas More,
And what do you have to offer? My guess would be the traditional typical sanitized version of history where the white man can could do no wrong and imperialism was inevitable.