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There are many bizarre aspects to Obama's decision to try to suppress evidence of America's detainee abuse, beginning with the newfound willingness of so many people to say: "We want our leaders to suppress information that reflects poorly on what our government does." One would think that it would be impossible to train a citizenry to be grateful to political officials for concealing evidence of government wrongdoing, or to accept the idea that evidence that reflects poorly on the conduct of political leaders should, for that reason alone, be covered-up: "Obama and his military commanders decide when it's best that we're kept in the dark, and I'm thankful when they keep from me things that reflect poorly on my government because I trust them to decide what I should and should not know." It's the fantasy of every political leader to have a citizenry willing to think that way ("I know it's totally unrealistic, but wouldn't it be great if we could actually convince people that it's for their own good when we cover-up evidence of government crimes?").
But what is ultimately even more amazing is the claim that suppressing these photographs is necessary to prevent an inflammation of anti-American sentiment in the Muslim world generally and Afghanistan specifically. That claim is coming from the same people who are doing this:
Up to 100 civilians, including women and children, are reported to have been killed in Afghanistan in potentially the single deadliest US airstrike since 2001. The news overshadowed a crucial first summit between the Afghan President and Barack Obama in Washington yesterday. . . .
This week's airstrikes took place in the Taleban-controlled area of Bala Baluk, in Farah province. US military officials in Kandahar said that the number of fatalities was nearer 30, but the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said that the death toll was far higher.
Jessica Barry, an ICRC representative, said that an international Red Cross team in Bala Baluk saw "dozens of bodies in each of the two locations" on Tuesday. "There were bodies, there were graves, and there were people burying bodies when we were there," she said. "We do confirm women and children."
And doing this:
The Obama administration has told a federal judge that military detainees in Afghanistan have no legal right to challenge their imprisonment there, embracing a key argument of former President Bush's legal team.
In a two-sentence filing late Friday, the Justice Department said that the new administration had reviewed its position in a case brought by prisoners at the United States Air Force base at Bagram, just north of the Afghan capital. The Obama team determined that the Bush policy was correct: such prisoners cannot sue for their release.
And this:
American soldiers opened fire and killed a 12-year old boy after a grenade hit their convoy in Mosul on Thursday. . . .
"We have every reason to believe that insurgents are paying children to conduct these attacks or assist the attackers in some capacity, undoubtedly placing the children in harm's way," a U. S. military spokesman wrote in an email on Saturday.
But eyewitnesses said the boy, identified as Omar Musa Salih, was standing by the side of the road selling fruit juice - a common practice in Iraq -- and had nothing to do with the attack.
And this:
The Obama administration is weighing plans to detain some terror suspects on U.S. soil -- indefinitely and without trial -- as part of a plan to retool military commission trials that were conducted for prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
And this:
In a federal court hearing in San Francisco this morning, a representative of the Justice Department said it would continue the Bush policy of invoking the 'state secrets' defense, which has been used in cases of rendition and torture.
And this:
The Israel Air Force used a new bunker-buster missile that it received recently from the United States in strikes against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, The Jerusalem Post learned on Sunday. . . .
Israel received approval from Congress to purchase 1,000 units in September and defense officials said on Sunday that the first shipment had arrived earlier this month ..
We're currently occupying two Muslim countries. We're killing civilians regularly (as usual) -- with airplanes and unmanned sky robots. We're imprisoning tens of thousands of Muslims with no trial, for years. Our government continues to insist that it has the power to abduct people -- virtually all Muslim -- ship them to Bagram, put them in cages, and keep them there indefinitely with no charges of any kind. We're denying our torture victims any ability to obtain justice for what was done to them by insisting that the way we tortured them is a "state secret" and that we need to "look to the future." We provide Israel with the arms and money used to do things like devastate Gaza. Independent of whether any or all of these policies are justifiable, the extent to which those actions "inflame anti-American sentiment" is impossible to overstate.
And now, the very same people who are doing all of that are claiming that they must suppress evidence of our government's abuse of detainees because to allow the evidence to be seen would "inflame anti-American sentiment." It's not hard to believe that releasing the photos would do so to some extent -- people generally consider it a bad thing to torture and brutally abuse helpless detainees -- but compared to everything else we're doing, the notion that releasing or concealing these photos would make an appreciable difference in terms of how we're perceived in the Muslim world is laughable on its face.
Moreover, isn't it rather obvious that Obama's decision to hide this evidence -- certain to be a prominent news story in the Muslim world, and justifiably so -- will itself inflame anti-American sentiment? It's not exactly a compelling advertisement for the virtues of transparency, honesty and open government. What do you think the impact is when we announce to the world: "What we did is so heinous that we're going to suppress the evidence?" Some Americans might be grateful to Obama for hiding evidence of what we did to detainees, but that is unlikely to be the reaction of people around the world.
If we're actually worried about inflaming anti-American sentiment and endangering our troops, we might want to re-consider whether we should keep doing the things that actually spawn "anti-American sentiment" and put American soldiers in danger. We might, for instance, want to stop invading, bombing and occupying Muslim countries and imprisoning their citizens with no charges by the thousands. But exploiting concerns over "anti-American sentiment" to vest our own government leaders with the power to cover-up evidence of wrongdoing is as incoherent as it is dangerous. Who actually thinks that the solution to anti-American sentiment is to hide evidence of our wrongdoing rather than ceasing the conduct that causes that sentiment in the first place?
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For a discussion of why the release of these photographs is so imperative and the very real value they could generate, see here and here.
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Finally, here's Rachel Maddow and Jonathan Turley last night excoriating Obama for relying on core Bush/Cheney rhetoric and reasoning to justify the cover-up of this torture evidence:
UPDATE: Federal District Judge Alvin Hellerstein (.pdf) and the Second Circuit Court of Appeals (.pdf) have both rejected the Bush arguments -- now the Obama arguments -- for suppressing these photographs, and held the the law clearly requires their public disclosure.
For those wishing to defend Obama's decision here (and, again, were any of you who are doing so criticizing Obama two weeks ago when he announced he'd release these photos?), please read these three paragraphs from Judge Hellerstein's decision explaining why the Bush/Obama arguments in favor of suppression are so bankrupt, along with his quotation of a passage from Daniel Patrick Moynihan's book arguing that "secrecy is for losers" and documenting how citizen trust in government secrecy is the linchpin of abuses of power.
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Show AllIMPEACH OBAMA NOW! He has become involved with the GWB regieme's obstruction of justice. No Justice, No Peace, No Good CHANGES at ALL!
Now, that's the very first IMPEACH OBAMA message I've come across. But you know what? It has a kind of a pleasant ring to it, a kind of a WE DEMAND CHANGE, WE DEMAND JUSTICE sound.
Cuz whatever we're gettin', it sure as hell ain't change and it sure ain't justice.
So I second that notion..
IMPEACH OBAMA.
What a sick joke this country is.
If the people decide that they don't want a president, I think their legal process would be a formal dismissal. Impeachment is specifically for congress and a dead end for the people to focus on if they are aggrieved. But that is just me thinking about this whole dismal affair of the potential Trojan horse president.
Congress may impeach from public pressure.
Hear hear! IMPEACH the WAR CRIMINAL OBAMA!
I honestly don't think this country can take four more years of Bush/Obama.
Before impeaching Obama, how about first trying the Bush/Cheney cabal for their war crimes? Thereby setting precedent to build the case against Obama for continuing the Bush/Cheney policies.
Sioux Rose
EURO: Thank you for putting the horse before the cart. Now if we could get some legs on it.
I disagree, because Cheney (and PNAC) made clear what they intended to do, and how. Obama, on the other hand, sold himself as somehow different, which makes his crimes all the more egregious.
And Cheney/Bush made it clear that the PNAC agenda was running the show, or did they sell their policies with never ending lies? I think we'd be better off to bring the Bush regime to justice and then let Obama know he could be in for the same.
This may become a question of both or neither rather than one or the other. Obama is actively defending Cheney-Bush.
TORTURE IS A WAR CRIME. ANYONE AUTHORIZING IT, DOING IT OR REFUSING TO PROSECUTE IT IS A WAR CRIMINAL.
I have voters remorse too.
we need to start with obama and finish the job with all the corrupt in both the congress and senate
then we need to bring home the military and neuter the corporations
that would be a good start
Just for the record: I was talking about impeaching Obama during the primaries. Real Democrats don't conduct smear campaigns.
Wow. Incredible. But then again, did anyone besides the Kool-Aid drinkers really expect Obama to be one of the "good" guys"?
The murder, looting, destruction (and torture) continues.
Sigh.
I can hear the laughter now, inside the Democratic campaign office:
"we said, get this - don't waste your vote - and they believed us! Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!
"yeah, and then we said, (holding back guffaws), the third party candidates are, (chuckle) unelectable! Ha!Ha!Ha!
...after that there is just a bunch of rolling around and chanting -hope- and -change- and much giggling.
Well done progressive brainiacs of America! Four more years!
...that is the kinder, gentler version of the truth, easy to swallow. But I think the truth is stranger than fiction...they (Obama cabal) really think they are the good guys and Bush and his guys were the bad guys.
-they (Obama junta) really think they are the good guys
I agree. I believe that, if you read Hitler's version of "the Audacity of Hope" you will find that he (Hitler) also saw himself as a good guy. Go figure!
But perhaps, let me go out on a limb here, words like "truth" and "lies", "good" and "evil" have meaning, and, despite believing themselves good, good people, can do bad things, and, do indeed do bad things. Perhaps, you will agree that it is not by the pretty words in his book, or by the slogans used during his campaign that Obama will be judged, it will be by his actions.
"Perhaps, you will agree that it is not by the pretty words in his book, or by the slogans used during his campaign that Obama will be judged, it will be by his actions."
Absolutely! And it isn't looking good for the home team.
Verily, Satan truely believes he is a good guy.
Denial gets so kinky with these people - at once the recognition and and unawareness.
What the hell were we supposed to do? Vote for McCain / Palin?
In 2012, I'm going to write in Dennis Kucinich.
I am sure the"Blue" team doesn't feel that Obama is letting anyone down. He's their man and they will support him no matter what he does or doesn't do. But, when we live and breathe "hope" then that's the sort of "change" we can expect and get.
Sure, some blues will awaken. Bush's 20-something poll results meant even some Republicanos woke up a little to something.
People need to settle down and reflect on history. If the Nazis had not suppressed information about the concentration camps, torture, and massacres, the Nazis would not have been able to win WWII and would not enjoy such a fine reputation today. Can you imagine how much hatred it would have inspired if they had allowed release of photos of the atrocities?
Interesting stuff. We have never finally resolved the Nuremberg questions: If your rulers do it, is it wrong? Your rulers (those who hold power and make policy in Washington irrespective of election cycles and the chatter of the people, e.g. Dick Cheney et al) are the final moral authority today. To what authority would we default to debunk their claim? The philosophers? Kant's imperatives? The only philosophy America has contributed to the world is Jamesian pragmatism, a non-philosophy that says any old truth will do if it gets you what you want. The gentle Christian teachings of Church? Progressives burned down the Church around 1840. The vox populi? The mighty voice of "we the people?" Give me a break. Democracy is the discovery that a population which is allowed to bitch and elect ersatz leaders is less dangerous than a population that is overtly oppressed. Looks like we got ourselves out on a limb morally speaking, and then sawed off the limb. Very clever of us. History is a standing wave of war and torture and moral ambivalence. We gentle souls (also a standing wave) are occasionally awakened and sickened by it. But to be awake is also to be frustrated and powerless. We aren't going to rise up with one righteous voice and fix our corrupted race, and we know it. Can anyone tell me, without making up fairy tales, how we are going to go about forcing the Obama (or any other) administration to cough up those incriminating memos and those disgusting photographs? I don't think it's going to happen. If I'm wrong I'll never utter another cynical word.
-Can anyone tell me...
Might I suggest that, governments are formed by and for the people.
We started as nomads...
we became farmers...
city states were formed...
now we have nations...
Why "cynical", voxclamantis? Do you not think it is within our power to continue the human adventure into the future? Do you think this is the best we can do? Sure a giant rock from space may crush us, a pandemic may finish us off, but given time, who knows what human civilization will look like in the coming years?
Sioux Rose
VOX: We are not so alone as we may imagine. There are higher beings & powers, not to mention the power of collective thought. LOTS of people around the world are intent upon destroying the beast, which is to say that absolute power that has amassed (thanks to a grotesque focus on militarism and international business that makes up its own rules in unapologetic homage to Mammon) so vehemently to have corrupted itself and all it touches absolutely. No empire lasts forever, particularly one that allows its domestic base to come apart. And ALL things come full circle. There ARE universal laws greater than anything human minds, egos, aspirations, or dark intentions can singularly orchestrate.
Before a great play the actors must prepare and learn their lines while the stage hands prepare the set designs. The astro-logos shows a time of reckoning and while it may have perhaps already begun, the upping of the ante is certain beginning later this year. You will understand these words by June 2010, or I owe you a classy bottle of wine. Deal?
sioux rose........
'no empire lasts forever'..........true, but the bad guys, take us good guys with them.................
-actors must prepare and learn their lines while the stage hands prepare the set designs
Pure poetry! I'm going to steal that! You are a poet, and don't even know it! (I made that up, by the way)
Sioux Rose
JLOCKE: Thank you. I do write some poetry from time to time.
Sioux Rose -- may your words come to pass. May these powers beyond what we know put things in their right balance as you say.
Though I suspect that most of your questions were intended to be rhetorical, I would like to respond. With regard to questions of "right and wrong," I would say it all depends on what is the most important group an individual believes the individual belongs to. If the group is the people of the individual's nation, then what is right to that individual is what benefits or improves the welfare of the individuals in the nation (using utilitarian summation over all the individuals in the group). If the group is the human race, then what is right is what benefits or improves the welfare of the entire human race.
The Nuremberg trials purported to be an effort to benefit the human race, with those involved acting as if the human race was the most important group. But since US, UK, and USSR officials who authorized war crimes were not charged, then it became obvious to all but the most gullible that it also operated to the benefit of the victors. And since the rules developed and celebrated by the Nuremberg trials have subsequently not been applied to the victors or their allies in all the intervening years, it becomes difficult to argue that the group the rules were primarily intended to serve was the human race.
I would add that I doubt the species will make it to the end of this century unless sometime very soon most people, and particularly most powerful people, determine that for them the primary group is the human race.
As for the authority to judge whether something done would have a positive effect on the welfare of the individual's primary group (whether that be the human race, the nation, or some other group), and is therefore "good," I believe that is for each individual to decide, based on whatever information and arguments the individual has available to consider. With regard to who should have the authority to determine what is "good" for the group, I do not believe there are or ever will be clear answers to that, and the decisions made by the group are the result of all the individuals in the group pulling and pushing this way and that, with some obviously having much greater pull than others, even when superficially it appears that they all have equal pull (e.g. a so-called "democratic system").
And as for whether Obama will "cough up" the evidence, I think you need not worry about having to refrain from cynicism in the future.
Sioux Rose
KIVALS: Good case. Articulated like a genuine humanitarian.
Yes suppression of atrocities did delay USA's enterance into War. And the USA and Soviets did much to defeat the Nazis.
Nazi suppression of information,early on in the war, was a large factor in the USA's decision to send a refugee ship of Jews back to Germany and death.
The photo's could not be worse than USA's current killing of children with White Phosphorus.
So the photos should be shown to help rid the world of the unrepentent entity(USA) perpetrating the crimes.
Not being honest and upfront about one's past depravity is a surefire recipe for sinking further into depravity.
It is time to look forward - not backward.
It is time to look forward to what will happen if we do not hold those responsible for torture for their actions:
We can expect more torture which will endanger our troops.
We can expect more torture which will generate more terrorists which will endanger the "homeland".
If we want to look forward, then the only logical action is to release all of the information and hold those accountable for their actions.
The only path that could possibly justify not releasing the photos would be instead to begin prosecution immediately.
IMHO, no matter how plaintively Obama may cry “Out, damn’d spot!” —- he will not be able to walk off of this tragic ‘war crimes’ stage until this most odious crime is expunged.
So for Obama, the superficially adored hero, the role of a modern Hamlet tentatively deciding whether “to be or not to be” for the war-crimes-Empire could be the last drama on this mortal coil.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
"What we did is so heinous that we're going to suppress the evidence?"
Isn't that the same argument "our" government is using to allow the banksters to hide what they're doing with the $12.8 trillion We The Taxpayers have unwillingly lent and/or committed to "help" them "survive"?
Wouldn't want to inflame any American anti-bankster sentiments now, would we?
Yes, Frank, it's the exact same fallacious argument to cover up the crimes of Empire.
The first lie covers the crimes of Empire "abroad" in creating aggressive wars, torture and war crimes.
While the second covers the crimes of Empire "at home" in causing economic oppression of the people, spying, lying, deceit, and police-state tyranny.
As Hannah Arendt presciently warned of Empire in the era of the Nazi Empire:
"Empire abroad (always) entails tyranny at home."
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
No prosecutions are coming. No prosecutions....releasing the photo's are just a form of self flagelation that serves no one and no purpose.
I already suffer from anti-American sentiment, and I'm an American!
Right with ya!
Glenn's cynicism seems most appropriate. It doesn't seem productive at all to try and put a smiley face on the current state of this society. We really need to reach rock bottom to catalyze a revolution of truth, ASAP.
"We're imprisoning tens of thousands of Muslims with no trial, for years"
Later, the mass imprisonment of Muslims without trial will be cited as one of the key motivations for the next round of imperial blowback. USans may protest this, to do their part to prevent further escalation, but this also comes with a price - sustaining a slightly lesser evil imperialism. Far better, it would seem, is for USans to shift their individual exchange/association away from the power centers and to their local communities, to starve the demon elites of economic/political support, among so many more benefits.
The only ones who might be kept ignorant are Americans -- the rest of the world, and especially the people who were tortured, know perfectly well just what happened. That's the point -- keep Americans in the dark.
Aside from that I must assume that these pictures show things much worse and disgusting than the one already shown -- maybe the sexual perversions on and raping of boys which we have heard about, or worse that that: as bad as the worst we might imagine in our darkest thoughts (we are already getting near there). After the photos we have seen what else could there be left to hide from the American people but the worst of nightmares?
pilgrim, you are precisely right when you note that the only ones being deceived are we Americans -- and that "rest of the world, and especially the people who were tortured, know perfectly well just what happened."
Yes, the rest of the world knows what the global ruling-elite 'corporate financial Empire' (only posing as the US) does in the dark of secrecy.
And the rest of the world knows this because they are the ones receiving the sharp lance of Empire in the eye.
Sometimes the lance of the Empire is torture, sometimes shocking and deadly war, but also sometimes economic war, shock doctrine and 'disaster capitalism' (via the torture of those economic WMDs, as Buffett rightly calls the debt bombs and CDS) that the Empire's "Economic Hit-men" deploy to cause massive suffering throughout the world --- and to loot monumental profits for the 'corporate financial Empire' itself.
But Americans themselves are starting to get a preview of the economic lance of this Empire in our own faces "at home" --- now that the Empire has unleashed its shock doctrine, draconian 'structural adjustments' to social safety nets and jobs destruction right here in River City.
And as Americans taste the blood of that Empire's economic lance in their own face we will all start to understand the reasons why both economic and military attacks of the Empire that thrusts their lance, but 'in our name', is becoming so hated, not only in the Middle East and the third world, but increasingly among the real functioning 'social democracies' of Europe and Japan --- which unlike this deadly Empire hiding behind the facade of our sham democracy, actually give a damn about their citizens.
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine
There are over 6 billion people in the world, and we are only 300 million, with a good number of those who find torture, corruption, and tyranny to be distasteful. So where is the outrage from those 6 billion people going? The US is not the only nation with a guilty consience - we have billions more who are doing NOTHING to change the status quo. Where was the global outrage over the inavion of Afghanistan? Iraq? Some 10 million out of 6 billion doesn't count for much, which is why those heinous war crimes proceeded with impunity. Where is the rest of the world? Cowering in apathy and hoping they don't get caught in this latest upheaval - this perversion of government? Fascism is a virulent virus - and it spreads into the hearts and souls of billions of people who see it, and ignore the consquences with which we are all so familiar. So if we're going to bash the US, should't we include the rest of the world as well? They might not torture in another country, but they've know about torture going on all over the world - some in their own countries - and they don't do anything about it either.
Oh, they are out there in the streets- we just don't hear about it much and when we do, it is generally pohh-poohed as just a handful of professional protestors (actually heard Keith Olbermann say that during the G20 protests where the cops killed a man)
The United States has been under right wing control for so long, since January 1981 at least, that it really does not matter much what Obama really thinks about things. Obama is like a bit player in a right wing play. Or a puppet show.
Starting in January 2009 from the deep hole that the right wing put the country in, Obama can only do so much without taking all kinds of huge risks, including having any chance for reelection being ended due to an anti-Obama propaganda campaign mounted by the media, which can happen should that media get upset about Obama not being subservient enough to the elites who became elites during the previous three decades.
Because remember, the elites run the big media companies like they do all the other big companies.
That is not meant to be an excuse for Obama, only a hard reality type of observation.
Remember the jokes about "who in their right mind would want to win the Presidency in 2008?" Those jokes were and are still on point.