Published on Saturday, May 2, 2009 by CommonDreams.org
On Israeli Settlement Freeze, Public Has Obama's Back
There have been hints in the press that the Obama Administration has
been considering conditioning U.S. aid to Israel on a real freeze of
Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank. There's a conventional
wisdom that suggests that doing this would touch a "third rail of
politics." But the conventional wisdom might not have been accurate;
if it once was accurate, it might not be accurate any more.
WorldPublicOpinion.org has just released a poll showing that three-quarters of Americans oppose Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank. This number is up 23 points from 2002.
Even among respondents who say they sympathize with Israel more than the Palestinians, 64% say Israel should not build settlements in the West Bank.
Opposition to settlements is found among majorities of Democrats, Republicans, and independents. Those who followed the issue closely oppose settlement expansion by the same margin as those who don't.
Some may say: public opinion doesn't matter. What matters, they may say, is that the so-called "Israel Lobby" will effectively punish any politician who tries to shift U.S. policy towards Israel and the Palestinians.
But the Obama Administration has already proved that this isn't necessarily so.
The Los Angeles Times reports:
Secretary of State Clinton defended the administration's position before Congress. She noted that
Reps. Nita Lowey and Mark Kirk objected. But as the Jewish Telegraphic Agency notes,
If the Obama Administration can shift U.S. policy towards engaging in some form with Hamas, then surely it can shift policy towards moving the U.S. from ineffective to effective implementation of its stated policy of opposition to Israeli settlement expansion, as it is virtually universally recognized that stopping Israeli settlement expansion is an absolutely necessary element of achieving a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict -- just as it is virtually universally recognized that some form of engagement with Hamas will be necessary to achieve a two-state solution in the long run, and to get effective aid into Gaza in the short run.
Moreover, if the U.S. would get serious about stopping Israeli settlement expansion, it could help fundamentally alter the political dynamics in Israel. Israel's right-wing has grown accustomed to the notion that Israel can indefinitely go through the motions of a "peace process," while steadily expanding settlements in the West Bank in the hopes of making a Palestinian state impossible. If the U.S. puts an end to this game, it will empower the political forces in Israel who genuinely want a two-state solution -- who, on this question, represent the majority of the Israeli population.
WorldPublicOpinion.org has just released a poll showing that three-quarters of Americans oppose Israeli settlement expansion in the West Bank. This number is up 23 points from 2002.
Even among respondents who say they sympathize with Israel more than the Palestinians, 64% say Israel should not build settlements in the West Bank.
Opposition to settlements is found among majorities of Democrats, Republicans, and independents. Those who followed the issue closely oppose settlement expansion by the same margin as those who don't.
Some may say: public opinion doesn't matter. What matters, they may say, is that the so-called "Israel Lobby" will effectively punish any politician who tries to shift U.S. policy towards Israel and the Palestinians.
But the Obama Administration has already proved that this isn't necessarily so.
The Los Angeles Times reports:
The administration has asked Congress for minor changes in U.S. law that would permit aid to continue flowing to Palestinians in the event Hamas-backed officials become part of a unified Palestinian government.
Secretary of State Clinton defended the administration's position before Congress. She noted that
the United States supports and funds the Lebanese government, even though it includes members of Hezbollah, another militant group on the U.S. terrorist list.
Reps. Nita Lowey and Mark Kirk objected. But as the Jewish Telegraphic Agency notes,
Significantly, however, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Shultz (D-Fla.), a pro-Israel stalwart, defended Clinton in a call organized by the National Jewish Democratic Council to mark the first 100 days of the Obama administration. "The unity government itself will have embraced those principles," she said. "The most important priority for members of Congress is to support Israel and to move the peace process forward."
If the Obama Administration can shift U.S. policy towards engaging in some form with Hamas, then surely it can shift policy towards moving the U.S. from ineffective to effective implementation of its stated policy of opposition to Israeli settlement expansion, as it is virtually universally recognized that stopping Israeli settlement expansion is an absolutely necessary element of achieving a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict -- just as it is virtually universally recognized that some form of engagement with Hamas will be necessary to achieve a two-state solution in the long run, and to get effective aid into Gaza in the short run.
Moreover, if the U.S. would get serious about stopping Israeli settlement expansion, it could help fundamentally alter the political dynamics in Israel. Israel's right-wing has grown accustomed to the notion that Israel can indefinitely go through the motions of a "peace process," while steadily expanding settlements in the West Bank in the hopes of making a Palestinian state impossible. If the U.S. puts an end to this game, it will empower the political forces in Israel who genuinely want a two-state solution -- who, on this question, represent the majority of the Israeli population.
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22 Comments so far
Show AllMr. Naiman makes two calls.
1. To those alleging care for Palestinians to act not yak.
And 2, for the BO Administration to engage w/ Hamas and pressure Israel re the Settlements.
However in my opinion Israel is impervious now. Her youthful years when she might have been reigned in are past. Now nuclear, with an economy independent of the US, Israel enjoys our largesse, but can't be threatened with any stoppage of money or military or other support. It is too strong now.
Plans to attack Iran are moving forward. The clearest of many signs was Lieberman saying it was not going to happen a couple of days ago.
When President Bush signed his "roadmap for peace" of Israel and Palestine my friends asked me "what will the current and future Israeli Governments do now"? My answer was: "wipe their asses with the roadmap". Anyone who believes that any change in this relationship will occur should make an appointment with his/her shrink because new roadmaps will be designed and printed for use in Israel's political toilet.
Must we all convert to Judaism to be one of God's Chosen People and get a vacation condo on the West Bank complete with swimming pool and arsenal?
If the Obama adminitration does decide to tie aid to settlement contraction I believe tha most Amerians will support it. This should also include REAL peace negoiation that will ultimately benefit the peoples of both Israel ahd Palestine.
Treason fest, the 2009 traitor's conference with AIPAC, starts tomorrow.
Rosen and Weissman (and very special guest hiz horror "judge" Ellis) will be kicking things off with a big yippee we're free at last, free at last!
In your face ___, fill in the blank.
Free Pollard! Free Pollard! Free Pollard! (Larry who?)
(Mossad) Jane Harman will unbelievably be there as well. Though she may attempt to dress as a human being and evade detection.
I'm sure all these festive moments will be featured prominently on your, well, not YOUR but you know WHO'S TV networks and newspapers. (NOT)
A Light unto the (Aryan) Nation:
I don’t think that one has to go that far because at the end of the day, I don’t think the majority of Israelis want to see themselves responsible for the Palestinians. We do not want to control the Palestinian population. It’s unnecessary. What we do want is to care for our borders, for the Jewish settlements and for areas which are unpopulated and to have our security interests served well. But also to take under our responsibility these populations which, believe me, are not the most productive on earth, would become a burden. We want to relieve ourselves of the burden of the Palestinian populations--not territories. It is territory we want to preserve, but populations we want to rid ourselves of.
- Uzi Arad, Israel's National Security Adviser
warincontext.org/2009/03/18/editorial-we-want-the-land-not-the-people
GENOCIDE
Chaim Weizmann, "We're not going to let 600000 niggers stand between us and Ha-Aretz Israel."
Couldn't be plainer. He was the first President of the State of Israel. There has been no material change in policy ever since.
Of course we started our genocide here in 1609 and it didn't formerly end until the late 1890's. Then we put the remaining survivors into death camps (later modeled by S-A for their Bantus and the Israeli's for their two-state solution) - then we stole their children and tortured them in "Indian Schools". I wonder if the Israeli's will follow our example in this area as well.
A freeze!
Howz about a roll back!
I see that AIPAC and their sadistic congressional toadies have desided to starve the Gaza Ghetto again. Someone must have smuggled in forbidden contraband like a baby diaper or a strand of spaghetti.
"Israeli ground forces have launched an incursion into the Gaza Strip after the military jets bombed 'tunnels' beneath the border between the beleaguered sliver and Egypt."
To quickstepper: the point is not to believe. The point is to help bring it about.
To TruthKnoller: the point is to act, not to watch.
To Obedient Servant: the point of "keeping a good thought" is to point out to people that they have no excuse for inaction.
To azjoe: no external force necessary, just a firm position from the U.S.
To Jerry D Rose: if you think my purpose is to make people feel better about Obama, you totally misread me. My purpose is to show people that there is a feasible road to change in the knowable future, so if you are in the United States, and you claim to care about the Palestinians, you have no excuse for inaction. You can be as "radical" as you want in your denunciations; if you're not doing anything about it, you're an objective ally of the occupation.
To GwNorth: I'm all for the boycott. But at best it is a long-term strategy. It's not "working" in the sense of preventing any Palestinian houses from being knocked down today. It's not enough. It's not about waiting for the government to take action. It's about pressing the government to take action.
Mr. Naiman, I'm about up to here with people telling me, as you just did, that I'm an "objective ally of the occupation" if I don't "do anything" about the occupation, that is anything that you apparently would define as worthy of doing. I regard myself as a "journalist" in the sense that I try to practice the nearly-forgotten craft of criticism of the actions of people in power on behalf of the interests of the people. I'm not and have never been a "pitchfork" man, but I believe that, in my own way, my criticisms of U.S. and Israeli Palestinian policy (and those who justify it or settle for "half loaves" of remediation of the situation) are a "something" that is valuable to do. And I do respect you, at times, as I journalist, but I won't be intimidated by any gate-keepers of acceptable critical discourse who tell me in so many words to shut my mouth and head for the barricades.
This can be a rough group, Mr Naiman.
I wonder if it is the people who do nothing but complain say boycotts won't do any Good?
It is like they are urging others on to other more powerful acts but they never come out and say what that is except vote for someone who can't win, or lost over and over but still act like they have the answer.
Any resistance and peaceful action about something you rant about all you life is courages and admirable.
Complaining without action or bringing down those who do is not admirable and is energy sucking.
Oregoncharles
It's great to have you in this discussion!
Please explain what you mean by "pressing the government." What stategy do you have in mind?
Remember, congress received calls from We the People - at 100 to 1 - against the no-strings-attached bailouts? there were mass demonstrations across the country but Obama ignored us! Instead, he interrupted his campaign to make last minute calls in order to convince certain people in congress, who voted no the first time, to change their vote to yes! which they did.
Are you advocating for ramped up activism? - as opposed to ordinary, peaceful demonstrations in the streets, signing petitions, calling and meeting with legislators, etc.
Do not rely on the Government to do anything here.
The Boycott is working. In Britain and the EU especially Israeli firms are complaining that they are losing money due to boycotts.
http://www.counterpunch.org/hijab05012009.html
Ths remains the single greatest tool left to the common folk. Your vote in elections has become all but immaterial as it provides a false choice.
Once again when it comes to Social Conciousness Scandinavia leads the way. The Boycotts are far further along there. Let us hope the same catches on in North America.
Boycott Mayor Bloomberg of NYC. He supports the settlements in occupied territories.
GwNorth, sorry guy, the overwhelming majority of Americans don't read and couldn't spell "Boycott" on a bet let alone define it. As far as they're concerned we did genocide and got away with it "Scott Free", why shouldn't the Israeli's? Yes, of course they're Jewish and they murdered our Lord Jesus Christ and for their sin they will burn in the Hell Fires of Hades for all eternity BUT in the meantime they are useful in our quest to coerce Jesus into returning AND they do share our melanin deficiency which those "Palestinians" certainly don't AND you don't have to be able to read or spell to understand that....do you?
And you thought you lived in a place where 'reason' and 'rationality' played at least some role in life, didn't you. Sorry. Wrong planet. You should never have listened to that recruiter. He lies to everyone, he has a quota to meet. Next time, check out the place first for yourself, a place where the guys who were caught giving some of our most precious "State Secrets" to Mossad aren't released and given a pat on the head for their good work. I know that's what I'm gonna do and mommy and daddy get a full psych assay and a wallet biopsy and maybe even a visit to the Oracle to see what's in store for them. One learns from one's most painful mistakes and hopefully never repeats them...like coming to the Nightmare Planet where evil triumphs and humans left to their own devices shit their own nest, fuck their children, and decorate themselves with the body parts and intestines of their neighbors as trophies.
Peace.
This is the same attitude that will never allow third parties to get off the ground in the United States.
You can not worry what OTHER Americans will do when it comes to a boycott or when it comes to voting a third party.
All you can control are your own actions.
Just because your neighbour down the street wont Boycott Israeli products, it does not mean you can not.
The attitude expressed by yourself is exactly what yoru Mossad counts on.
Should a, could a, would a, if only: Naiman's is another in the endless string of commentaries of Obama supporters in what I call their approval of a "Subjunctive Presidency": a mode of thought which allows them to "hope" that their champion of Hope and Change will change the U.S. in the direction of their heart's desire. They accordingly seize on such straws of "possiibility" as the quoted line from the LA Times:
"The administration has asked Congress for minor changes in U.S. law that would permit aid to continue flowing to Palestinians in the event Hamas-backed officials become part of a unified Palestinian government."
Subjunctively speaking, what the administration "would" do "in the event" of Hamas acceptance in a unified Palestinian government (unified no doubt on Fatah domination), is dependent on an "event" so unlikely to occur that the conditional "would" loses all real world possibility of happening. "If I had a nickel, I'd spend it all for candy and give it all to you:" a totally meaningless promise if you know damned well that the Romeo does not even have nor will ever likely have a nickel.
Keep a good thought, I suppose.
The US always has been content to wink at Israel's reprehensible policy of illegally obtaining lebensraum by force and coercion. Once in a while, the US gently wags a finger at Israel-- as an indulgent parent may wag a finger towards a misbehaving child, although unable to keep a straight face while so doing.
I wish it were not so. But, as I wrote in response to Ramzy Baroud's comment, ""If they [Obama and Clinton] are indeed interested in a just peace, for its own sake...":
I'm sure that the author [Baroud] knows perfectly well that the above-quoted conditional is utterly false.
Obama and Hillary, consummate ruling-class technocrats, are interested only in supporting states within the US-EU-Israeli hegemony at the bloody expense of its declared enemies. Thus, they will continue to pet the rabid wolverine that is the government of Israel, and allow it to eat from their generous hands, while they scold the eviscerated and gravely wounded carcass of Palestine to pull itself together and start acting civilized! Otherwise, no soup for you!
As practiced professionals, their public personae have carefully-constructed components to fool the average uncritical, myopic citizen into believing that they are "good", caring and even Warm 'n Wonderful people deep down.
There IS no "deep down"-- "deep down", such as it was, has long ago been eagerly donated to Their Master Below in exchange for worldly fame and fortune.
I'm reminded of Dickens' little joke in "A Christmas Carol", when Scrooge is gazing upon the ghost of Jacob Marley, and realizes that he can see right THROUGH Marley to the buttons on the BACK of Marley's coat when Marley is facing him.
The joke is to the effect that in life, it was often said of the cold and avaricious Marley that he had no bowels, and that at last Scrooge saw proof of this with his own eyes.
There's a lot of expensive public relations invested to give the appearance of humanity to these soulless brutes-- they even publish books demonstrating how compassionate and thoughtful they are.
And naturally, they fool a lot of the people a lot of the time. Not very many Palestinians, though.
But discerning eyes can see rows and rows of back buttons during Cabinet meetings.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Obedient Servant, Nice.
The UN spoke against the settlements the other day. Way cool. BUT, it'd take as much force to alter Israeli policy as it did the Nazi's. A World War. What. A. Drag.
joe
Bring America Back !!!!.......Robert Naiman is obviously a 'Think-Tanker' !
**Sometimes I wonder what the CIA pays these "Thinkers" to sit around and
dream up this stuff all day long ??
**When Ariel Sharon actually ordered and forced some Israeli settlements
out of the West Bank, those settlers had to be carried out by troops !
Then, instead of leaving those homes standing for occupancy by the
resident Palestinians, the troop forces plowed and bulldozed them down to
ground level. So much for good faith ! Now naturally they keep plowing
down Palestinian homes under the guise of the "T" word==terrorists !!
**Then, they built the wall of Apartheid as well !!!!
**Now, if the previous royal family of King Bush, and the present Saviour
Prez. Obama, cannot bring themselves to whisper even one word or notion of
Protest to Israel about 1500 dead Gazans--including 300 to 400 dead children,
then how does Mr Naiman think they would dare change Israeli settlement
policies, even if they could ?????
**If Mr Naiman is not Naive in the entirety, then how would he offer any
possibility that Obama will stand up to Bibi or Lieberman on their own
settlement policies. He has not stood up to anything else so far, either !
As others have noted before, I'll believe it when I see it.
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