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Bybee Weighs In
Judge Jay Bybee has been conspicuously absent from the discussion about his most famous opinions-not the ones he issued from the bench, but those he uttered just before leaving the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel. Those opinions gave the green light to the use of a series of torture techniques on specific prisoners held by the CIA. But today, Jay Bybee has spoken. He responded to questions from the New York Times:
"The central question for lawyers was a narrow one; locate, under the statutory definition, the thin line between harsh treatment of a high-ranking Al Qaeda terrorist that is not torture and harsh treatment that is. I believed at the time, and continue to believe today, that the conclusions were legally correct."
Other administration lawyers agreed with those conclusions, Judge Bybee said. "The legal question was and is difficult," he said. "And the stakes for the country were significant no matter what our opinion. In that context, we gave our best, honest advice, based on our good-faith analysis of the law."
Count me among the unconvinced. First, I believe that one consideration is guiding Judge Bybee here: self-defense. He fully appreciates the threat of a criminal investigation and demands for his impeachment. He's a sharp enough lawyer to appreciate that with respect to criminal conduct in connection with the issuance of an opinion, he has one pillar to which he can cling: the claim that the opinions expressed were formed in good faith, whether right or wrong. If he can't sustain that proposition, he's in deep trouble. Hence his statements to the Times. They are utterly predictable.
Second, if the question "was and is difficult," as Bybee says, why did he fail, in the two August 1, 2002 memoranda, to apprise his clients of the quite overwhelming authority that runs in precisely the opposite direction of his memos? Indeed, he talks about waterboarding and never bothers to note the long list of cases in which waterboarding was prosecuted, not even the 1983 case prosecuted by the Reagan Justice Department against the backdrop of U.S. accession to the Convention Against Torture. The suppression of all this adverse authority is telling: it suggests an opinion which has been made-to-order, not following careful, good-faith study of a question.
Third, we can't forget the facts in the background. Bybee is writing up and issuing this opinion as a sort of farewell gift to people who had just elevated him to a lifetime appointment to the federal bench, just one rung below the Supreme Court. He was straining to please them. And the suggestion of a Faustian bargain is hard to miss.
But Bybee's remarks highlight the need for the Justice Department to come clean with its own internal probe into these matters, begun in 2004 and completed ostensibly in October 2008. We're told it's being "finished up" to reflect comments from Attorney General Mukasey and to give the affected parties an opportunity to respond. Seven months is an awfully long time to be "finishing up" a report like this. And the public needs to know the details of how these memos came to be commissioned and written has never been more acute than right now.
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""And the stakes for the country were significant no matter what our opinion. In that context, we gave our best, honest advice, based on our good-faith analysis of the law."
Using sophism to justify torture makes law irrelevant.
And the suggestion of a Faustian bargain is hard to miss.
It's not hard to miss. It's impossible to miss. Bybee is nothing more than the slimey weasel Sidney Falco who Tony Curtis played in "Sweet Smell of Success", with George Wanker Bush as J.J. Humsecker.
Mordechai Shiblikov April 29th, 2009 12:35 pm, Bybee as Falco is good, but I think Hunsecker would instead be Real President Cheney in 'Sickly Sweet Stench of Success'. Junior was always just an affable boob -- a Homer Simpson front-man flattered and manipulated into thinking he was 'The Decider' by Rove and Cheney while they pulled the strings of power.
I think the reason Bush the Younger has been silent lately is that there's no one left to tell him what to say.
You're right. The Cheesedick is Hunsecker, not Bush.
'I shot this one guy, stone cold dead, because I thought he looked mean and dangerous and I thought one day, he just might hurt somebody maybe even me, and so I acted on my good intentions...'
Works for me! NOT.
-I [Bybee] believed at the time, and continue to believe today, that the conclusions were legally correct."
-Other administration lawyers agreed with those conclusions, Judge Bybee said
So let me get this straight, Bybee is saying he still stands by the torture memos. He is also saying that his co-authors stood behind their signatures on the memos. "rule of law" America, your bluff has been called.
He doesn't feel that he needs to give any reason why most everyone else sees the torture memos as grounds for, at least, impeachment and disbarment, if not prosecution?
It seems to me that writing an excuse note for torturers that was masquerading as a professional legal document would at least try to explain how Bush/Obama is able to get around the total prohabition of torture written into US and international law.
He's a war criminal. What else needs to be said?
one group of nazis under bush goes out and the new group of nazis under obama comes in - the party goes on - party on garth - party on wayne
bybee's nuancing of torture by degree is what the nazis are all about
the nazis called the gas chambers relocation centers - which strictly speaking is true - the jews were relocated from their cities into these camps - but it is not a "true" statement in that it belies the facts of what happened
holding and torturing prisoners without charge - only scum sucking nazis do that
"harsh" techniques indeed
no charges, defendants with no rights - unable to see the charges against them, review them with counsel, or confront their accusers in court
nazis would be proud of the states
there is no shame left in corporate america - if there ever was any
this rotting country - this dying empire - this fascist state led by nwo shill obama
murderers and torturers
sad shit that
So Michael Vick gets 23 months for torturing dogs.
And no one gets nothing for using dogs to torture humans, most of whom were found to be innocent of any 'evil-doin".
Wish the summer movie season would start already so we can all get back to ignoring all of this silly torture business...
frank: i don't know quite how to say this but mr vick is well not to be too homey i mean insensitive or crass - i mean you know well mr vick is a
negro
btdubs: torture is silly
don't be a jerk
Sioux Rose
In the photo of Bybee that CD had posted recently he looked quite young and inexperienced (as does Yoo). Also his facial expression reminded me of one given to carrying out orders, like faces of Nazi officers. There is something about him--an inborn authoritarian streak as John Dean so profoundly identified it in "Conservatives without Conscience" that comes across. Sure these lawyers were ambitious; but just as the Harriet Miers group made it their business to determine who was "loyal enough" among the Republican Attorneys generals, Bybee and Yoo were chosen PRECISELY because they were young, ambitious authoritarians who could be TRUSTED to do the bidding of their masters and bend law just enough to fit seemingly into the dictates of those who hired them.
Sioux Rose,
good point, bybee is not the archetypal personality who would stand up to cheney or rice.
timid, submissive, automaton-like - the perfect foot soldier. the opinion of bybee's peers describing his behavior today in the times article sited in horton's essay.
www.nytimes.com/2009/04/29/us/politics/29bybee.html
{Prof. Christopher L. Blakesley, a colleague on the law school faculty at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, said that after the first memorandum was released, he was unable to restrain himself from expressing disagreement at a 2004 dinner at a restaurant that included their wives.
“I asked him how he could sign such an awful thing,” Professor Blakesley recalled in an interview.
He said the judge replied that he could not talk about the matter. The dinner proceeded awkwardly, Professor Blakesley said, and they have not spoken since.
Professor Blakesley said that while he liked Judge Bybee, “he has some basic flaws including being very naïve about leaders.”
“He has too much respect for authority and will avoid a confrontation no matter what,” the professor continued.}
...peace...
Sioux Rose
IOWA: I wish so many more were cut from the cloth of your decency and intelligence. You are one individual from this forum I'd like to meet and have a drink or coffee with. There are others... thank you for all that you bring to our virtual salon!
Perhaps we can waterboard him--it's not torture after all according to his "good faith" legal analysis--and he can then tell us the truth about his motivations.
Bybee's lame excuses wouldn't pass muster at a correspondence course law school.
Seriously – Jay Bybee, Bush's former Assistant Attorney General in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, apparently didn't bother to read the Geneva Convention definitions of torture before giving advice to Bush and Cheney on what constitutes torture? And this guy's still a federal judge?
"Judge [Jay] Bybee's résumé tells us that he has four children and is both a Cubmaster for the Boy Scouts and a youth baseball and basketball coach. He currently occupies a tenured seat on the United States Court of Appeals. As an assistant attorney general, he was the author of the Aug. 1, 2002, memo endorsing in lengthy, prurient detail interrogation 'techniques' like 'facial slap (insult slap)' and 'insects placed in a confinement box.'
"He proposed using 10 such techniques 'in some sort of escalating fashion, culminating with the waterboard, though not necessarily ending with this technique.' Waterboarding, the near-drowning favored by Pol Pot and the Spanish Inquisition, was prosecuted by the United States in war-crimes trials after World War II. But Bybee concluded that it 'does not, in our view, inflict ‘severe pain or suffering.'' "
-- Frank Rich, "The Banality of Bush White House Evil," NY Times, April 26, 2009. http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/04/26-0
Part II, Section I, Article 13, "General Protection of Prisoners of War": "Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention." [...]
"Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity."
Part III, Section I, Article 17, "Captivity": "No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind."
-- From the "Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War," adopted August 12, 1949 and signed by the United States on October 21, 1950. Published by the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights.
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm
Everything proposed by Bybee and Yoo was illegal under both the Geneva Convention and US anti-torture laws (War Crimes Act, etc.), and they should have known that. So should Bush, Cheney and the others who took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.
U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section I: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/pihtml/pioaths.html
Oath Taken by the VP and Other Senior US Government Officers: "I … do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States#Oath
US Constitution, Article 6: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding." [Emphasis mine.]
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A6.html
It's plain that Bush, Cheney, Addington, Bybee, et al, violated the supreme law of the land by advocating torture, and it's also clear what the Geneva Convention says about the treatment of prisoners.
It's time to impeach Bybee and remove him from the bench, and then prosecute the rest of these criminals for failing to uphold the law.
Impeach Bybee: http://www.slate.com/id/2216432/
BTW, if Dick Cheney discovered $30 million had been stolen from his bank accounts, and the theft had been traced to Hugo Chavez who had used the money to feed and house people in Iraq, and Chavez's lawyers had written memos 'legalizing' the theft as reclaiming funds illegally gained from the pre-emptive invasion and occupation of Iraq, I doubt that the right-wingers would excuse Chavez's actions because he had received 'bad legal advice' nor claim that he shouldn't be prosecuted because he acted in good faith. The Republican excuses for torture are absurd and stupid.
I've been reading a lot on this topic lately. You're the first to lay out the law. Thank you very much!
Impeachment and prosecution will be difficult. But it all starts with the provisions you quoted.
Sioux Rose
RSJ: Thanks for taking the time to lay the details out. These authoritarians are anathema to any concept of democratic society, and they're the LAST to recognize this fact!
Thanks, Sioux Rose, and I always appreciate your comments here as well.
In your earlier post on this thread (Siouxrose April 29th, 2009 4:06 pm), you mentioned the expression in Bybee's face and I've noticed that all of John Dean's 'Authoritarian Followers' that you referred to have that same empty, naive look in the eyes. While Cheney and Rove, for example, have a certain squinty 'evil intelligence' about the eyes, Jay Bybee, John Yoo, Michele Bachmann, Harriet Miers, even Alberto Gonzales have that wide-eyed look of the gullible zealot about them.
Years ago I saw a picture of a line of teenaged Hitler Youth at the end of WWII -- they had that same blank, slightly-stunned expression as some of Bush's minions. 70s-era Jesus Freaks, contemporary Moonies and other cultists also have this mien.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of any Dems, independents or progressives who are afflicted with 'Doll's-Eye Syndrome,' although Sen. Diane Feinstein comes close.
Sometimes, when watching cable TV news with the sound muted, I can spot the neocon Republican just from the look on their faces -- usually it's either an older saggy white man showing cynical disgruntled constipation, or it's a face clean of expression, untroubled by doubt or thought. So far, I've been right about 95 percent of the time.
"RSJ April 29th, 2009 7:42 pm
Bybee's lame excuses wouldn't pass muster at a correspondence course law school."
We do NOT need "a correspondence course"; a beginner's course should suffice, except for people who are awfully [opaque]. Otoh, such a course probably wouldn't be able to help such people, anyway.
RSJ:
"Seriously – Jay Bybee, Bush's former Assistant Attorney General in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, apparently didn't bother to read the Geneva Convention definitions of torture before giving advice to Bush and Cheney on what constitutes torture? And this guy's still a federal judge?"
Nothing surprising about that; certainly not when we carefully consider the real history of the USA. And Bybee surely knew what the Geneva Conventions as well as US law state about torture.
Why assume he was ignorant about that when he most surely knew?!
RSJ:
"Impeach Bybee ...
TRY STARTING by prosecuting the real criminals; the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, ... administration! Bybee, Yoo, etcetera should be laughed out of the country, but Bush, Cheney, ... should all be prosecuted, most certainly including for the wars of aggression they commanded, including the act-of-war coup d'etat against the Haitian government and population!
And I'll again repeat a link I posted yesterday and again recommend reading the author's earlier related article, for which there's a link in the following piece.
"CIA Torture Began In Afghanistan Eight Months before Justice Department Approval",
by Andy Worthington, fff.org, Future of Freedom Foundation, Apr 27 2009
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m53769
There've been other, a few or more, other articles on this posted at Uruknet over the past week and some if not all of these are eye- or mind-opening in terms as stated above, but more elaborate, with actual dates serving as real proof, and more. F.e., Rumsfeld and also Cheney authorised, or worse, the use of torture starting during fall 2001, well before Yoo, etcetera, were used to try to wrongly and incompetently cover the asses of Bush, Cheney, and so on.
People really need to WAKE UP about Bybee, Yoo, etcetera not being the first of all of these criminals who need to be prosecuted. All of the focus on them and not on the most guilty criminals of the whole lot, that is, Bush, Cheney, etcetera, is a serious distraction and a major insult against humanity. NOT focusing most of all on the Bush administration itself, for the torture [and] the wars of aggression they commanded is to whitewash them of all of these extreme crimes against humanity. And by doing that or even contributing to it, only, the Obama administration can continue on its "merry", "jolly" way of continuing these supreme international crimes, quite freely.
I don't read the articles on jackass distractions Bybee, Yoo, etcetera; the time spent on that would not be worth much more than spit on my shoes or bird turd falling on my head. This is not to say that these sick jerks should not be prosecuted; it's to say that prosecuting them is less important and less urgent than prosecuting Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, Rove, ... is.
"THE BUCK STOPS AT THE ..." Presidential administration! At, or else with, it; not stopping before the team's prosecuted, and there's hardly any need for a trial by jury regarding the wars of aggression they commanded, while certainly no jury is needed for prosecuting them for the crimes of torture and probably also "extraordinary" renditioning, which the above article or the other one by the above author correctly states was rogue'ly begun by the Bill Clinton administration, which renditioned far fewer people, and apparently only guilty ones, but still renditioned them to Egypt, which'd apply brutal torture and likely enough death.
MikeCorbeil April 29th, 2009 11:57 pm, Mike, you're quite right -- this torture policy did start before Bybee's memos and no doubt he knew very well what the Geneva Convention and US War Crimes Act said and went ahead anyway to enhance his career, buying Rove's BS about a permanent Republican majority, or, perhaps, convinced Bush would somehow become 'president for life' and protect him from prosecution.
Yoo is nothing, I agree, and, of course, all of the BushCo senior staff should be prosecuted for war crimes, but I disagree about the importance of Jay Bybee. Bybee is a federal judge for life whose decisions have the possibility of affecting the lives of millions of people. Someone as nonchalant or ignorant about the law and lacking in character has no place on the federal bench.
I'll read the links you posted as soon as I can get to it.
Interestingly...
Texas county sherriff got 10 years for waterboarding a suspect, and Bush, as governor, did not pardon him - McClatchy
When George W. Bush was the governor of Texas, the state investigated, indicted, convicted and sentenced to prison for 10 years a county sheriff who, with his deputies, had waterboarded a criminal suspect. That sheriff got no pardon from Gov. Bush.
NPR - Cases of waterboarding have occurred on U.S. soil, as well. In 1983, Texas Sheriff James Parker was charged, along with three of his deputies, for handcuffing prisoners to chairs, placing towels over their faces, and pouring water on the cloth until they gave what the officers considered to be confessions. The sheriff and his deputies were all convicted and sentenced to four years in prison.
On Jan. 21, 1968, The Washington Post ran a front-page photo of a U.S. soldier supervising the waterboarding of a captured North Vietnamese soldier. The caption said the technique induced "a flooding sense of suffocation and drowning, meant to make him talk." The picture led to an Army investigation and, two months later, the court martial of the soldier.
Too bad these guys did not have the fortune to get Bybee as judge...
ByBee is a criminal and should be in jail. This is yet another example of the selective nature of 'justice' and underscores the reason we need to abolish law and replace it with a new and serious system that would treat all citizens equally. Perhaps a computer program would be an improvement over the perversions we see daily of the 'justice' system. Law is only theatre and we should all treat it as it is-bogus. Have you ver met an attorney or judge who you could say is intelligent? Not self-absorbed? Not a predator cloaked in their work as a 'professional'?
Well, he's not going to have to point out that he's pleading the 5th until there's a trial, is he?