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Are leading Democrats Afraid of a Special Prosecutor to Investigate Torture?
There are not exactly throngs of Democratic Congressmembers beating down the doors of the Justice Department demanding that Attorney General Eric Holder appoint a special Independent Prosecutor to investigate torture and other crimes. And now it seems that whatever Congress does in the near term won't even be open to the public. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said this week that he prefers that the Senate Intelligence Committee hold private hearings. The chair of the committee, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, has asked the White House not to take any action until this private affair is concluded. She estimates that will take 6-8 months.
"I think it would be very unwise, from my perspective, to start having commissions, boards, tribunals, until we find out what the facts are," Reid said Wednesday. "I don't know a better way of getting the facts than through the intelligence committee." It is hard to imagine other Democrats bucking Reid on this and there is certainly no guarantee that the committee will release an unclassified report when it concludes its private inquiry. While Representative John Conyers says he will hold hearings, that is not the same as the independent criminal investigation this situation warrants.
Then there is the deeply flawed plan coming from the other influential camp in the Democratic leadership. The alternative being offered is not an independent special prosecutor, but rather a more politically palatable counter-proposal for creating a bi-partisan commission. This is a very problematic approach (as I have pointed out) for various reasons, including the possibility of immunity offers and a sidelining of actual prosecutions. Michael Ratner from the Center for Constitutional Rights has also advocated against this, saying this week it will lead to a "whitewash:"
We have reached a critical political moment on this issue. Obama has been forced or pushed to open the door to prosecutions, an opening I thought would take much longer to achieve. If there was ever a time to push that door open wider and demand a special prosecutor it is now. We have documented and open admissions of criminality. We have Cheney and Hayden admitting what they approved these techniques; and Cheney saying he would approve waterboarding again. We have the Senate Armed Services Report detailing how the torture program was authored and approved by our highest officials in the White House and employed in Guantanamo, Iraq and Afghanistan. And we have thousands of pages of proof. There is public outrage about the torture program and the media in the U.S. and the world are covered with the U.S. misdeeds.So at this moment, instead of human rights groups getting together and calling for a special prosecutor what do they do? Call for a commission. What this call does and it must be said strongly is take the pressure off what is the growing public push for prosecutions and deflects it into a commission. Outrage that could actually lead to prosecutions is now focused away and into a commission. Think if this list of human rights groups had demanded prosecutions. We would be closer and not farther from the goal.
There are some powerful Democrats who certainly would not want an independent public investigation, particularly those who served on the House and Senate Intelligence Committees when Bush was in power and torture was being ordered and authorized. That's because in the aftermath of 9/11, some in Congress were briefed on the torture methods in real time and either were silent or, in some cases, supported these brutal tactics or, as some have suggested, possibly encouraged them to be expanded.
While Republicans are flailing to find ways of defending all of this torture and attempting to discredit or marginalize those who speak out against it, it is interesting to note the Op-ed Thursday in The Wall Street Journal by Reprentative Pete Hoekstra, the ranking Republican on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, called "Congress Knew About the Interrogations." In the piece where Hoekstra parrots the Dick Cheney blah-blah-blah about torture working, he manages to make an important point:
[M]embers of Congress from both parties have been fully aware of them since the program began in 2002. We believed it was something that had to be done in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks to keep our nation safe. After many long and contentious debates, Congress repeatedly approved and funded this program on a bipartisan basis in both Republican and Democratic Congresses.
Hoekstra cites the internal memo written last week by Obama's Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, to his staff in which Blair said "[h]igh value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa'ida organization that was attacking this country." (This was the memo that was originally released to the public with that sentence conveniently ommitted).
Hoekstra writes:
Members of Congress calling for an investigation of the enhanced interrogation program should remember that such an investigation can't be a selective review of information, or solely focus on the lawyers who wrote the memos, or the low-level employees who carried out this program. I have asked Mr. Blair to provide me with a list of the dates, locations and names of all members of Congress who attended briefings on enhanced interrogation techniques.
House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) added to this mix by saying that he had seen a partial list of Congressmembers "who were briefed on these interrogation methods and not a word was raised at the time, not one word."
Among those on the House Intelligence Committee at the time was current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. She has said, "we were not, I repeat, we were not told that waterboarding or other enhanced methods were used."
"What they did tell us is that they had some legislative counsel ... but not that they would. And that further, further the point was that if and when they would be used they would brief Congress at that time."
But contrary to Pelosi's assertion, The Washington Post reported that Pelosi and other Democrats were "given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk:"
Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.
"The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough," said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.
[...]
"Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing," said [Porter] Goss, who chaired the House intelligence committee from 1997 to 2004 and then served as CIA director from 2004 to 2006. "And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement."
Only a complete and independent investigation by a special prosecutor could get to the bottom of all of this with any credibility. In his Op-ed, Hoekstra wrote:
Any investigation must include this information as part of a review of those in Congress and the Bush administration who reviewed and supported this program. To get a complete picture of the enhanced interrogation program, a fair investigation will also require that the Obama administration release the memos requested by former Vice President Dick Cheney on the successes of this program.
While one must take anything Representative Hoekstra and his belligerent, torture-loving colleagues say with a grain of salt (to put it mildly), he has a point-even if he is making it in that Dick Cheney kind of way. All of the documents relating to this torture program should be released and the role of everyone involved should be brought out into the light of day to determine who is responsible for every aspect of these heinous crimes from top to bottom.


71 Comments so far
Show AllI think having the DOJ on it's own prosecute the Bush Six and up the Bush ladder to Bush himself is the best strategy for actually getting meaningful convictions.
This way the DOJ can choose which cases to pursue and be non-threatening to both CIA and Democrats. After all upholding the Law is the DOJ's mission.
No threatening freewheeling special prosecutor and no congressional whitewash.
Just a few targeted indictments and convictions resulting with Bush and twenty of his top officials in Leavenworth Penitentiary.
Selective prosecution is against the 14 th Amendment. Of course, the Constitution is a quaint old document, isn't it?
I am sure you are correct about selective prosecution; but prosecutors do not prosecute every case that reaches their desks and they often choose the most important and most convictable and if their making informed decisions were unconstitutional we would see alot more convictions overturned on the grounds of violation the 14th admendment..
I know Nuremberg did not fall under the constitution but it was acceptable to the world that the top criminals were prosecuted and not the footsoldier.
"Of course, the Constitution is a quaint old document, isn't it?"
Or; "Just a goddamned piece of paper."
“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”
Prosecution is quite a political problem. The memos recently released affirm what has been generally suspected, which is that the torture of prisoners was approved at the highest levels. How high does it go and how low do prosecutions go?
Well the bottom rung has already been prosecuted, Pvt. Lyndie England for walking a naked prisoner with the dog leash.
At the top rung is likely Bush and since torture and coverup runs from one end to the other that makes quite a list.
Ari Fleischer on Anderson Cooper 360 asked Paul Begala if he wanted to see the democrats in congress, who knew about the tortures, prosecuted as well. Apparently Ari thought that comment was a show stopper. It did not appear to be a concern and it is not a problem for me either and I'm sure a lot of other Americans. Democrats at the top, Pelosi, Daschle, Feinstein, and in the Senate, Reid and others have reason to worry. Congress had the power to stop the Bush administration for torturing anytime they had decided to exercise their authority. Many members of congress knew of illegal Bush administration activities, including torture, illegal wiretapping, lying about the need for the war itself, and those members of congress each decided to keep silent and to vote support for Bush. Worth watching==>
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/correction-we-actually-did-execute-j
Except for Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich and a couple dozen others, nearly all members of congress share some guilt for the crimes of the Bush administration. I would imagine that the majority of both houses are working on how to give themselves immunity, and they certainly have the votes to do it. Current penalties for torture are harsh with a death penalty as an option. Since a number detainees died during interrogation, including an Iraqi General, members of congress might be wise to abolish the death penalty while they still can vote in congress. Just to be fair, I think it would be acceptable to see an equal number of democrats and republican prosecuted, a dozen or so from each party would be enough to set an example.
America is either a nation of laws or a dictatorship. If the president can choose which laws to obey and which to ignore if and when he feels it is desirable, even if he does so with agreement of a few key people in congress, then the president has become a dictator unbound by law. At present, President Obama is as unbound by law as President Bush was. Congress could have impeached, that was it's duty but its members went with the lawlessness. US Attorneys, Federal Judges, State Attorneys could have blown a whistle, yet they did not. The media could have informed the public of many details that would have lead to a public outcry, yet the media did not. Prime example: the NY Times sitting on the illegal wiretapping story until after the 2004 election.
America is engaged in a struggle to determine the course of government whether to be lawless police-state/dictatorship or a constitutional republic. This debate is began back in the 1780s with the adoption of the US Constitution.
Elmwood
Veteran, and former Geneva Conventions card holder
Sioux Rose
ELMWOOD: Thank you for your thoughtful post.
Elmwood, I hate to inform you but the debate is over. America, especially in foreign policy has been for at least 50 years a lawless police state/dictatorship
Apart from the sordid details of the heinous crimes themselves, it is painfully obvious that the political elite occupying both wings of the corrupt Amerkian political duopoly is scheming to derail ANY attempt to investigate, without fear or favor, the multi-level wrongdoing.
Even the few loose threads that have been tugged upon so far reveal felonious wrongdoing by military and state security agencies, with massive political cooperation and collusion.
It's almost certain that far worse lies in the still-hidden reports and files-- not only horrific details of politically-sanctioned atrocities, but also the knowledge and at least implicit consent of political leaders.
The Democrats are doubly-stressed because they hoped to complete the building of a new Democratic dynasty in 2006, when so many Democratic weasels defeated their Republican reprobate opposite numbers by pretending to oppose the imperialist and exceptionalist foreign policy, and authoritarian, anti-Constitutional domestic policy of the Bush Crime Family.
Now that the clay line has risen from Obama's toenails and is waist-high, the Dems are indeed terrified of having Obama's Rockefeller Republican agenda plainly exposed as a cosmetic reworking of the same corrupt and predatory kleptocracy.
This is only the beginning of the tsunami of tendentious ass-covering and insultingly specious rationalizations offered by politicians of both parties as they attempt to secure their class interests by quashing any real attempt to pursue justice on behalf of We the People.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Why is Reid still the majority leader? Get someone in there will BALLS...like Boxer.
Reid is still the majority leader because he's exactly the kind of majority leader the Democrats want. Which says a lot, none of it good.
Boxer is a woman. Technically, she does not have Balls.
oh yes she does - she has harry reid's balls in a tungsten container in her office
apparently she squeezees them for strees relief and is always amazed at how the spring right back into shape
Ha,ha, ha. Thanks for the laugh. I need it.
Boxer is a major sellout.
In order to protect American lives and American "interests" the American government CAN and SHOULD do anything and everything possible regardless of the morality or legality of their actions.
The evil empire exposes itself.
Get to the real issue behind it all. RE-INVESTIGATE 9/11 and all else will fall in place. AND, use an international panel of independent attorneys and judges.
It is clear by the evidence and laws of physics that two airplanes did not bring down three skyscrapers at free fall speed. But it is not clear that it was an inside job. There is a lot of evidence that Israel's Massad had a lot to do with the planning and execution of the controlled demolition of the buildings in the World Trade Center.
This matter is of grave importance now as members of Congress say they approved torture with enthusiasm because of the Muslim terrorists who attacted our nation on 9/11. If this is not what happened, how can we explain our wars against the innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan? Well, most of us do think the wars are really about oil. Don't know anyone who still says we went in to bring them democracy. This mornings paper says that over 110,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since we 'liberated' them. That's a lot of blood on our hands.
http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html
Maybe Obushma needs to tell us when HE knew!!!!
But I could be wrong !
It is a good thing that these Democrats were not around during the time of the Watergate cover-up as they in all likelihood would have done their best to obfuscate any type of investigation involving the role of the Nixon administration.
The 21st century Democrats- not exactly the paradigm that JFK had in mind when he wrote Profiles in Courage.
"The Face of the Enemy Frightens Me Only When I See How Much It Resembles Mine." Stanislaw J. Lec [1909-1966] Polish writer
Just look at the nervous twitchy stammering Pelosi and tell me she knew nothing.
Attach a polygraph to her and the recording needle would be like a windshield wiper on high during a downpour.
Sioux Rose
CYGNUS: Good one!
As I posted several days ago they already know that none of the principal players is going to be held accountable for torture (Made Men are ALWAYS protected by the family).
That decision has already been handed down. Necessary parties have been informed.
Now they simply have to orchestrate the opening acts in the enusing play that will lead to the decided outcome.
That's a little more tricky as public outrage will have to be mollified and deflected.
But with the help of jellyfish like Reid and Conyers and plants in all the major media it shouldn't be too difficult.
This crime too will disappear into the ether just like impeachment. Please be patient.
Reid and Conyers aren't jellyfish. Actually, they're pretty ruthless in defending the corrupt status quo.
red - you couldn't be more wrong
knowing that soemthing is pure bullshit doesn't at all imply you need to have a bullshit free response
that is supposed to be the job of the politicians to come up with all of that
Phase one of the solution is to get as many people as possible to understand what is really going on -- and that process is still underway and gaining. The second phase is to get people up and on the move, and that happens when enough people know the truth so they don't have to act alone, or feel as if they are doing that. This requires building a mass movement, which requires, first, waking up the masses. It's happening now.
Red Tide,
What can the Communist Revolutionaries prove about 9/11 that we haven't heard before?
In the 1950s, then Senator John F. Kennedy wrote a book titled "Profiles In Courage" in which he wrote of political leaders who did the right thing instead of political expediency.
If JFK were alive today, I have no doubt that he would write a sequel, "Profiles In Cowardice", in which most of today's Democrats would be portrayed.
Uncle Ho
My comments echo yours at 9:46 am.
Can we PLEASE have some leaders with backbones?
Leaders with backbone are targeted by coporate media and denied access or humiliated and destroyed.
You can't get elected to the presidency if you don't have the ability to reach groups of tens of millions of citizens on a consistent basis...no matter how much money you raise.
Kiss corporate ass and you'll drown in media coverage.
Give corporations the finger and you're finished.
Sen. Paul Wellstone was a leader with backbone. Hmmm....
God Bless Martyr Wellstone and Family
Yeah, right. He was a sell-out just like all the rest of them. Not when he got to Congress, but within a few years. Conspiracy theories that assume that his plane's crash was due to his supposed progressive politics overlook that he wasn't all that progressive by the time he died. More so than Obama, but that's not saying much. There is no senator and there are precious few representatives in Congress who are not thoroughly corrupt.
oops, double post.
"Are leading Democrats Afraid of a Special Prosecutor to Investigate Torture?"
Short answer: Yes, because they're equally guilty.
This isn't about leaders lacking "backbone," it's about criminal solidarity.
I have nothing to add to your comment. Not afraid, complicit.
5 will get you 10 that you are right.
"Honor" among thieves...
AndrewQ: You are spot on, but so many sheeple do not seem to understand we do not have a Government, but a crime family that hides behind the bs of the flag, the military; love of country; the chuchianity of lies; the whore MSM; and all the rest of the evil of a crime family. As has been quoted many times: "When Facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross".Looks like the coup de' tat was accomplished a long time ago, by the criminal solidarity, as you so well put it.
If they are afraid to investigate, should not the question be asked: why?
Israel will not permit this, and will pressure our current administration to retain these policies. That's because this is a Mideast policy conducted on Israel's behalf, and they don't want anyone who has carried out their agenda to be criminally prosecuted lest that prosecution deter future actions on their behalf. Don't be too hard on our politicias as gutless or worthless, they are simply controlled by Israel by various means, legal and illegal.
Are leading Democrats Afraid of a Special Prosecutor to Investigate Torture?
Afraid? They're terrified!
-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said this week that he prefers that the Senate Intelligence Committee hold private hearings. The chair of the committee, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, has asked the White House not to take any action until this private affair is concluded. She estimates that will take 6-8 months.
A closed door, many months, nah let's make it years, long whitewash until the public gets distracted again by some sex scandal, now that is change I can believe in.
-[M]embers of Congress from both parties have been fully aware of them since the program began in 2002
Yes, as most everyone outside the US and some inside already know. So for future reference, the next time you want "change" and "hope" why not, I know it is crazy, but maybe try replacing the ruling coalition that has been in charge since before you were born with, I don't know, an opposition party maybe?
The top Dems and Republicans were complicit in the Bush crimes, so by sticking with them, hope and change were sunk before Obama even arrived on the national scene.
No doubt, as so aptly stated by Diane Feinstein, it will take about 6 6o 8 months to effectively kill the story and effectively shift our infantile span of attention to more mundane matters.
Keep fixated on those Blackberries, I-Pods and reality shows, folks. Critical thought is very passe' these days.
We've had a Demo majority in Congress since 2006, and demos repeatedly voted to fund this war. There is plenty of responsibility on both sides of the aisle. People outside of Congress will have to push for every prosecution.
smipypr
The Watergate hearings happened before the proliferation of cable TV, and people were glued to the sets. Of course, daytime TV, then and now, is so lame that even a combined House-Senate hearing would generate interest. Unfortunately, the general public is disinclined to actually watch the Constitution at work...
"Are leading Democrats Afraid of a Special Prosecutor to Investigate Torture?"
Obama is understandably avoiding getting involved in a Republican witch-hunt and conservative Democrats are afraid they will be found complicit.
Where are Nader, Kucinich, Finegold, Bugliosi etc., etc. on this? You don't need or want Obama to play into Republican hands meant to put him on the defensive and halt his agenda.
You said it very well, DaveBronstein.
ezeflyer, Is it up to private citizen Nader to investigate the murders as well as the torture?
Washington Post Dana Priest Dec 29 2005:
"The CIA has stuck with its overall approaches, defending and in some cases refining them. The agency is working to establish procedures in the event a prisoner dies in custody. One proposal circulating among mid-level officers calls for rushing in a CIA pathologist to perform an autopsy and then quickly burning the body, according to two sources."
Any attorney can prosecute.
Has the CIA ever been prosecuted? Why not?