The Significance of Obama's Decision to Release the Torture Memos
Numerous commentators are objecting to the idea that Barack Obama deserves credit for his release of the OLC torture memos yesterday in light of his accompanying pledge that CIA officials relying in good faith on those memos won't be prosecuted. Chris Floyd is one who articulates that objection quite well and, as is always true for Chris, his criticisms are well worth reading. Many others -- including Keith Olbermann, Jonathan Turley, John Dean and Bruce Fein -- yesterday lambasted Obama for his anti-prosecution stance. Since I gave substantial credit to Obama yesterday for the release of the memos and believe even more so today that he deserves it (despite finding the anti-prosecution case as corrupted and morally bankrupt as ever), I want to return to the issue of Obama's actions.
Purely as an analytical matter, releasing the OLC memos and advocating against prosecutions are two separate acts. It's perfectly coherent to praise one and condemn the other. There is an unhealthy tendency to want to make categorical, absolute judgments about the persona of politicians generally and Obama especially ("I like him"/"I don't like him"; "I trust him/I don't trust him") rather than case-by-case judgments about his specific acts. "Like" and "trust" are sentiments appropriate for one's friends and loved ones, not political leaders. A politician who does something horrible yesterday can do something praiseworthy tomorrow. Generally bad people can do good things (even if for ignoble reasons) and generally good people can do bad things. That's why I care little about motives, which I think, in any event, are impossible to know. Regardless of motives, good acts (releasing the torture memos) should be praised, and bad acts (arguing against prosecutions) should be condemned.
Beyond those generalities, I think the significance of Obama's decision to release those memos -- and the political courage it took -- shouldn't be minimized. There is no question that many key factions in the "intelligence community" were vehemently opposed to release of those memos. I have no doubt that reports that they waged a "war" to prevent release of these memos were absolutely true. The disgusting comments of former CIA Director Mike Hayden on MSNBC yesterday -- where he made clear that he simply does not believe in the right of citizens to know what their government does and that government crimes should be kept hidden-- is clearly what Obama was hearing from many powerful circles. That twisted anti-democratic mentality is the one that predominates in our political class.
In the United States, what Obama did yesterday is simply not done. American Presidents do not disseminate to the world documents which narrate in vivid, elaborate detail the dirty, illegal deeds done by the CIA, especially not when the actions are very recent, were approved and ordered by the President of the United States, and the CIA is aggressively demanding that the documents remain concealed and claiming that their release will harm national security. When is the last time a President did that?
Other than mildly placating growing anger over his betrayals of his civil liberties commitments (which, by the way, is proof of the need to criticize Obama when he does the wrong thing), there wasn't much political gain for Obama in releasing these documents. And he certainly knew that, by doing so, he would be subjected to an onslaught of accusations that he was helping Al Qaeda and endangering American National Security. And that's exactly what happened, as in this cliché-filled tripe from Hayden and Michael Mukasey in today's Wall St. Journal, and this from an anonymous, cowardly "top Bush official" smearing Obama while being allowed to hide behind the Jay Bybee of journalism, Politico's Mike Allen.
But Obama knowingly infuriated the CIA, including many of his own top intelligence advisers; purposely subjected himself to widespread attacks from the Right that he was giving Al Qaeda our "playbook"; and he released to the world documents that conclusively prove how that the U.S. Government, at the highest levels, purported to legalize torture and committed blatant war crimes. There's just no denying that those actions are praiseworthy. I understand the argument that Obama only did what the law requires. That is absolutely true. We're so trained to meekly accept that our Government has the right to do whatever it wants in secret -- we accept that it's best that most things be kept from us -- that we forget that a core premise of our government is transparency; that the law permits secrecy only in the narrowest of cases; and that it's certainly not legal to suppress evidence of government criminality on the grounds that it is classified.
Still, as a matter of political reality, Obama had to incur significant wrath from powerful factions by releasing these memos, and he did that. That's an extremely unusual act for a politician, especially a President, and it deserves praise. None of this mitigates any of the bad acts Obama has engaged in recently -- particularly his ongoing efforts to shield Bush crimes from judicial review by relying on extreme assertions of presidential secrecy powers -- but, standing alone, his actions yesterday are quite significant.
As is obvious from everything I've written over the past three years, I think the need to criminally prosecute those who authorized and ordered torture (as well as illegal surveillance) is absolute and non-negotiable (and, as I wrote earlier today, in the case of torture, criminal investigations are legally compelled). A collective refusal to prosecute the grotesque war crimes that we know our Government committed is to indict all of us in those crimes, to make us complict in their commission.
Criticisms directed at Obama and Holder for advocating immunity for CIA officials who relied in "good faith" on DOJ memos (a mere subset of the government criminals) is absolutely warranted. But, it is not Obama's sole responsibility -- or even his decision -- to prosecute. As a strictly legal matter, that is a decision for the Attorney General, independently, to make; it is Eric Holder who has the obligation to enforce the law, independent of anything Obama wants or says and regardless of what public opinion demands.
But more crucially, it is also the responsibility of the citizenry to demand that this happen. What Obama did yesterday -- whether by design or not -- provided the most potent tools yet to create the political pressure for prosecutions. As Kevin Drum makes clear, no decent human being reading those memos would be anything other than repelled by what was in them. Polls already found that large percentages of Americans, majorities even, favor investigations and/or prosecutions for Bush crimes. The onus is on those who believe in the rule of law to find ways to force the government to criminally investigate whether they want to or not (this petition demanding that Holder appoint a Special Prosecutor is a very good place to begin, though it will require much more than just petitions).
The most criticism-worthy act that Obama engaged in yesterday was to affirm and perpetuate what is the single most-destructive premise in our political culture: namely, that when high government officials get caught committing serious crimes, the responsible and constructive thing to do is demand immunity for them, while only those who are vindictive and divisive want political leaders to be held accountable for their crimes. This is what Obama said in affirming that rotted premise:
This is a time for reflection, not retribution. . . . But at a time of great challenges and disturbing disunity, nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past. Our national greatness is embedded in America's ability to right its course in concert with our core values, and to move forward with confidence. That is why we must resist the forces that divide us, and instead come together on behalf of our common future.
That passage, more than anything else, is the mindset that has destroyed the rule of law in the U.S. and spawned massive criminality in our elite class. Accountability for crimes committed by political leaders (as opposed to ordinary Americans) is scorned as "retribution" and "laying blame for the past." Those who believe that the rule of law should be applied to the powerful as well as to ordinary citizens are demonized as the "forces that divide us." The bottomless corruption of immunizing political elites for serious crimes is glorified in the most Orwellian terms as "a time for reflection," "moving forward," and "coming together on behalf of our common future."
Regardless of the reasons, it is clear that Obama will not single-handedly eliminate the immunity from the rule of law which the political class and other elites have arrogated unto themselves. If anything, as his comments yesterday reflect, he is likely to affirm and defend that immunity (and, obviously, he personally benefits from its ongoing vitality). Demanding that political leaders be subjected to the rule of law -- and finding ways to force the appointment of a Special Prosecutor -- is what citizens ought to be doing. Either we care about the rule of law or we don't -- and if we do, we'll find the ways to demand its application to the politically powerful criminals who broke multiple laws over the last eight years. Obama's release of those torture memos yesterday makes that choice unambiguously clear and enables the right to choice to be made.
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Show AllIn a desperate land no Safety
The Killer awoke before Dawn
And She took A Face from the Ancient Gallery
And then She, America, walked on down the hall,
And paid a visit to our brothers. And then She walked
on down the hall and Now Visits Us,
In a Desperate Land can you Picture What will Be,
So Limitless and Free, so limitless so free,
B e a u t i f u l f r i e n d
it's come so full circle...
western power foreign policy for 100+ years created the very forces that we now malign with much indignation...
we beat the hell out of other societies in the name of democracy... freedom... national interests... all code for extending the corporatist exploitation of natural resources and cheap labor...
then... we're SHOCKED... shocked! I tell you... when those oppressed throw back a punch...
ONE example... iran... 1953... u.s. overthrows democratically elected regime... installs dictator and tyrant... brutalizes population for quarter century... THEN... iranians capture u.s. citizens... and... THEY ARE THE TERRORISTS...
reaction? crank up the foreign power military muscle... time to "clean up the swamp" of the middle east...
Naomi Klein graphically exposes this recipe used in country after country in the "The Shock Doctrine"... the first chapter is a detailed exposure of torture and it's formulation in the mid 20th century by our intelligence apparati...
the torture memos ala bush jr... nothing new to see here folks... just more of the same...
and so it goes...
narcissistic plutocrat elites run this culture... always have... and with the latest iteration... they've brought the hammer down here at home with the financial sector torture terrorism on the labor class... only they used balance sheets and debt instruments instead of wall slamming and waterboarding...
their army of cheerleaders saturate all the public media... paid protection... information age version of the mob's enforcers...
their think tanks permeate academia and popular thought and culture... indoctrination starts early and has it's tentacles in every aspect of popular discourse...
it's hard to think this can be sustainable... question is... will the "sustainable" class have anything left to "sustain"...
the corporatists seem only to be re-invigorated in their ideologies in the face of their now famous complete and utter failure and collapse...
mr obama... rather than "like" or "trust" him... i think he's operating on a completely different paradigm level... most... including me... still cannot see the "long view" he has as a political philosophy... we are so mesmerized by the day's market indices and quarterly results.... most can't see the rest of the time continuum...
and of course their disciples walk the legislative halls and executive agencies... seems they lost the first half of this one... memos released... but no retribution...
so who's to "blame"?
everyone... enjoying the "greatest" (for now) civilization and the costs to keep there...
"we want the world... and we want it now... NOW? NOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!"
Jim Morrison... the Soft Parade... circa 1967-8...
Conspiracy is virulent in our society--it comes with the territory of teeming public realtions and ad men, Mad Men, and sad women.
This is the home of the knave.
We lie.
So stop being so sensitive about disclaiming the obvious presence of conspiracy, as in, "I do not intend to promulgate conspiracy theories, but..."
They, those theories we shy away from are as prevalent as flies.
And like flies, we don't see them until there is something beginning to stink. There was most assuredly an Obewanobama conspiracy about what to do about the torture records. I'm just surprised they recorded anything.
(Huhm...maybe not.)
What if they were trying to preserve the effectiveness of the CIA by offering up this tidbit like a sacrificial lamb. Would it not release the pressure to do something about our growing torture culture? And could they, in that way not conceal the greater truth, which was probably more like Mengele's Chemistry 101, drugging, breaking of bones, repeated raping, murder (by accident, whoops, or premeditated for effect), threats to families, carried out threats to families, and other incredibly inhumane acts left to their own vile judgment?
What if their (the CIA's, or the elites, or Wall Street's, or the MIC's) intention was all the time to convey to the rest of us some errant misdemeanors to distract us from torture-murder of the serial killer mode?
Then, knowing this--as he should have known by now--how does Obewan appear?
Furthermore, if the conspiracy is intended only to activate the masses into some benign format of socially acceptable democratic action to apply pressure to our freely sinecured and insanely cloistered and permanently secured representatives--who themselves have a minor influence on the evolution of society--how the hell are we supposed to do that? To get them to do what they already took an oath of office to do! To do their sworn job function?
No. I don't think so. I do not believe this fairy tale.
I conclude in all of this, smoke screenism, distractionism, false flagism, under the most egregious conspiratorial intent to defray investigation and to defraud the American public from their democracy.
Shaking hands with Chavez, visiting with Castro, chatting up the mullahs, and the rabbis, is like playing canasta with Idi Amin. Get outa here wit dat weak stuff! Go back to yer playground, boy!
You selling us stem cells and you selling our economy down the tubes! You play with a puppy while another 3/4 million go unemployed this month and the airforce still bombs wedding parties with robotic planes!
This is not reconciliation with the nefarious right wing, no amelioration of past errors is possible. This is either deception or cowardice. The buck stops just where? On the sofa in front of the tube in the living room of the common man?! I don't think so.
So i shout out, "Malevolent conspiracy! Evil at play in the halls of congress, and the Capitol! The Big Deception is on the air!"
This Greenwald article maybe needed an edit before hitting the publish button.
Greenwald begins with an argument praising Obama's release of the torture memos. Later, he condemns Obama's hands-off approach on prosecutions, while also sympathizing with a political decision that's supposed to be a tough call.
The article tries to separate the legal and the political, but the attempt just muddles Greenwald's premise.
Greenwald claims that under the law, Obama is limited in his actions. This seems a little off key. We haven't seen Obama embrace such limitations. If anything, he has talked about preserving the illegal powers assumed during the Bush administration.
Also, Obama himself may not do the prosecutions, but he's charged with "faithfully executing the laws." We've seen a failure already as Obama continues habeas corpus violations in Guantanamo and continues an illegal war and occupation.
Obama has the bully pulpit, but what he essentially said was that torture is permissible (in secret) if it's approved by U.S. judicial authorities.
Sure, the context is the past: the Bush administration's crimes. However, the only way for the system to "understand" that torture is illegal is by the prosecution of the people who authorized and conducted that torture. So, I think Greenwald is wrong about the political message that Obama sent. Obama said that officially sanctioned torture is OK.
I don't know if Greenwald is a practicing attorney, but he surely must know that prosecution is the only means of checking institutional abuses. A speech is pretty meaningless. We already knew how the CIA conducted torture, for the most part.
-TIA
If governments, of any nation, want to retain the respect of their people, then they should observe a cardinal rule: NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW!
Vera, if governments wanted to retain the respect of their people, sadly they would not be governments.
Vera, what is politics?
Politics is the machine that keeps wealth where it is, in the hands of the few, and always works to consolidate more capital there. Always.
Thus by definition governments, the political process, seeks only the respect of those who pull the strings of the marionettes (the pols).
You project your decency and sense of right, of light, where these qualities are not germaine.
saw my baby down by the river,
knew she had to come up soon for air
Darn, I feel vindicated.
I have been humbly submitting that BO will do good, and certainly do harm. Be wrong often but importantly, right sometimes as well.
Today Obama-
1. Released Minimially Rredacted memos.
2. Embraced Hugo Chavez at The Summit of The Americas.
3. Stated in Trinidad, "The US seeks a new beginning with Cuba."
4. -His envoy in Israel demanded a Two-State Solution, saying nothing else can work.
Nice for one days work, Glenn Greenwald says BO does right, does wrong, if we want more, it is now up to us. The door is open, will we walk through it he asks?
blossoms blooming
"Generally bad people can do good things (even if for ignoble reasons) and generally good people can do bad things. That's why I care little about motives, which I think, in any event, are impossible to know. Regardless of motives, good acts (releasing the torture memos) should be praised, and bad acts (arguing against prosecutions) should be condemned."
I agree completely with Greenwald that we should not inappropriately personalize these decisions. Such personalization smudges our perception of the real issues. But these obvious statements are a little too true to be entirely innocent. As we all know, there is a pattern in people's decisions that reveals what they represent as power to themselves. To pretend otherwise, even to support objective analysis, is mystification - pretending that the obvious tendency is the result of mysterious and unknowable motivations.
Let's examine what the probable effect of these two decisions on public attitudes toward torture might be. Withholding the details of the tortures would have mitigated public outrage among some, but would have disappointed those who demand assurance that those who threaten us are treated with sufficient cruelty. Promising not to prosecute such crimes against the human person essentially declares open season on "enemies" or "terrorists" or soon, probably, "environmental terrorists." If even a politician like Obama will not prosecute those who torture, then the message is clear that anything can be done to our enemies.
Naomi Klein wrote concerning torture, "But this fear has to be finely calibrated. The people being intimidated need to know enough to be afraid but not so much that they demand justice. This helps explain why the Defense Department will release certain kinds of seemingly incriminating information about Guantanamo--pictures of men in cages, for instance--at the same time that it acts to suppress photographs on a par with what escaped from Abu Ghraib. ...This strategic leaking of information, combined with official denials, induces a state of mind that Argentines describe as 'knowing/not knowing,' a vestige of their 'dirty war.'" - Naomi Klein, "Torture's Dirty Secret: It Works"
The purpose of letting people know some gruesome details of torture while holding back others is clear: "...when they use rendition and torture as a threat, it's undeniable that they benefit, in some sense, from the fact that people know that intelligence agents are willing to act unlawfully. They benefit from the fact that people understand the threat and believe it to be credible." - Naomi Klein, "Torture's Dirty Secret: It Works"
In other words, both of Obama's decisions inform potential dissidents that U.S. intelligence practices torture and that the practitioners will not be prosecuted even if they act in full knowledge of its unlawful nature.
At last, the pattern emerges: "This is torture's true purpose: to terrorize--not only the people in Guantánamo's cages and Syria's isolation cells but also, and more important, the broader community that hears about these abuses. Torture is a machine designed to break the will to resist--the individual prisoner's will and the collective will." - Naomi Klein, "Torture's Dirty Secret: It Works"
Forget about ever getting a progressive "messiah". Praise the good "actions", complain like hell about the "bad", and ditch the unhelpful "need" to charaterize/bitch based on some regret that the man can't walk on water.
Obama's ordering of public revelations of previous administration's memos/decisions 'allowing' torture, while he, Obama, simultaneously affirms immunity for the very same issue-related lawbreakers, may be something better than simply his keeping the memos secret.
But obviously, it betrays the campaing promises of 'change' (read: honesty/accountability/ presidential courage) that Obama loudly promised to bring about through his leadership,if elected.
By playing such ethically/legally schizophrenic PR games, Obama is (once again, since January 20th) announcing that he has no intention of actually leading the accountability and policy reforms he ballyhooed as 'essential to democracy' during his campaign.
And since his electors know that their new president knows that he was elected to lead the reforms he's now systematically, dishonestly sloughing-off back onto a disorganized/disspirited electorate, those same electors no longer need to quibble over what Obama's betrayals say about Obama:
Obama is clearly a cynical opportunist and a fraud who intends to lead no deep reform movement whatsoever
What we electors need to foucs-on now, instead, is:
What does the election of Deceiver Obama say about us?
Why were so many of us so easily hoodwinked?
Do we reform-minded progressive Americans really have any defined Core Values and/or competent psycho-political insights, against which we measure those who seek public office?
OK everyone, let's chill the f**k out for a minute. Yes, its disappointing, but I think Obama is smarter than people think.
He knows he can't initiate prosecution, lest it seem like pure political retribution against the Bushies. So he releases the memos and claims to want to move on, knowing full well that with a big enough public outcry, Congress will investigate and initiate prosecutions. Then, he can say his hands are tied and he has no choice but to cooperate with them.
I have a feeling that he wants these sick bastards behind bars as much as we do, but he's smart enough to realize that the process will go nowhere if he initiates it. He's counting on us to demand action. So what action have each of us taken today to demand accountability and justice, other than preach to the choir on our favorite progressive sites?
good question....i just sent off my emailed letter thx to a reminder to do so from amnesty int'l...and, now that you ask, a letter to the editor of our one surviving hometown paper is next. thanks for the question, kjt.
What is obvious about OBAMA is that he is a coward and has no respect for the rule of law, the history of War Crimes or the history of his people black or white. He is a coward probably acting out as he has been told (like a good "BOY" GOYUM"). Next time there is an election, please look past the colour of the candidate. Black would be great! But not a black Coward!!
"no respect for rule of law"
Like every POTUS.
All together now, shepple:
Obaahhhhma, Obaahhma, Obaahhma.
I recall hearing that baaa'ed by millions of sheep last Jan. 20th.
Mr. Greenwald:
You're correct in your assertion that it's up to the American citizenry to push for further investigation and prosecution. And, if Americans recall, Barack Obama said he would rely on the American people to give him direction. We, the People, must demand that the president follow our lead.
Obama, like Dubya, has proven himself to be a one trick pony. That is all that is the significance of releasing the torture memos. In fact, by choosing NOT to prosecute the torture criminals, he and Holder have already rendered the memos null and void. It's like a plaintiff attorney refusing to press charges against the defendant despite overwhelming evidence with GUILTY written all over it. Keith Olbermann, Jonathan Turley, John Dean and Bruce Fein were correct to nail Obama and Holder for failure to prosecute. Normally, Mr. Greenwald writes very well but on this article, I must make an exception. There was no political courage whatsoever. Releasing the memos was just a pure stunt which was bound to happen, Mccain or Obama. The CIA still won 100% while we the people lost big time. The author also mentioned that Obama cannot be held accountable because it is the job of the Attorney General to either say yes or no to prosecution. But Obama chose this guy and knew what Holder would do so actually both are responsible.
I find myself torn frankly. I wonder if Clinton would have released those memos? I know that Bush certainly wold not have. If there is to be no prosecutions then it seems that releasing absolute proof that prosecutions are necessary is puzzling.
Perhaps you might tell me what advantage this administration gains by doing this. It is bound to convert some who were yet to be convinced and can certainly do more harm than good to these guys. Obama stating that no CIA personnel will be prosecuted seems to lend itself to making them willing to disclose even more.
When one is getting pressure to prosecute from all sides the usual course would be to simply stonewall and distract, yet what has been done is to add much ammunition to the critics armory. I do not yet want to state that Obama is playing some esoteric game, nor do I wish to overlook the number of reasons to be critical of his administration to date. But something about this doesnt compute, and Im willing to await further developments.
But I wont wait silently.
"If there is to be no prosecutions then it seems that releasing absolute proof that prosecutions are necessary is puzzling."
Like I said, Obama made releasing the memos null and void by refusing to prosecute. I guess he wanted to play "tough" with the ACLU for making him do anything right. As for waiting, I'm not holding my breath. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and tight. As for Clinton, I'm guessing that she would have probably done the same and not wanting to prosecute those criminals. I thought she voted against FISA but only when she knew that she was at the point of losing the primary. I don't know at this point. Gawd, the Democrats are so embarrassing !
"When one is getting pressure to prosecute from all sides the usual course would be to simply stonewall and distract, yet what has been done is to add much ammunition to the critics armory."
I'm not sure what exactly you mean by the second part of that quote. I take it that the more they rub the wounds of the critics with salt the stronger they get, correct?
So if the writer cares so little about the motives of a politician, then he is tacitly admiting that the politician is amoral, opportunistic and unprincipled. Okay, then why not have a robot that makes decisions based on internet voting? Yeah, I know. That would be Democracy. We are so sophisticated and advanced that we can't have that. I've got news fot the writer: No trust, no legitimacy. Obama has lost the trust along with all the other liars in congress. The people will have a party and Ralph Nader will lead it because he is reliable (i.e. he can be TRUSTED).
OK, some credit, surely, is due. What system might we award credits when a job is partially done? Can we call this one a C-?
Some comments suspect that Obama's giving a minimum to the shadow agencies, negotiating on the part of the citizenry. Might he not rather be giving the citizenry a minimum?
Let's raise the minimum, call this a D+.
Another great piece by Glenn Greenwald.
In an of themselves, the memos are a bit stale. At least a few books have been written giving the essence of the memos--the US government institutionalized torture. Jane Mayers' The Dark Side is but one example.
As Brandeis observed nearly a century ago, our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the people by its example.
I guess if I decide to torture my arab neighbor, it will now be OK.
If the oligarchy's Shadow Government killed and smeared past Presidents and progressive leaders that dared displease it, how can we think Obama is immune?
McClatchy reports: "growing number of US intelligence, defense and diplomatic officials have concluded that there's little hope of preventing nuclear-armed Pakistan from disintegrating into fiefdoms controlled by Islamist warlords and terrorists, posing the a greater threat to the US than Afghanistan's terrorist haven did before 9/11." An anonymous "intelligence official with long experience in Pakistan" tells McClatchy, "It's a disaster in the making on the scale of the Iranian revolution."
Obama's escalation of war and drone attacks have hastened this by many years. He knows full well what he's doing, that's the sad part.
Sioux Rose
FENNER: Thanks for the post. It proves to me (a metaphysical law) that if enough people focus on terrorists they will in fact create them; and where there was no previous threat of any weapon of mass destruction in the "wrong" hands, now that prophecy has been actualized because so many believed in it (under previously false pretenses).
Agreed. The use of drones may have already started an arms race on the cheap. Just one drone that is captured makes it easy to put the drone's computer in an old passenger jet and fly it 5,000 miles using gps to hit any building. They have opened a pandora's box. We are making blowback the only recourse. A cynic like me might say: Yep, that's the whole idea! The war profiteers want more war. So they are doing what is guaranteed to produce mass killings here. Evil is the greatest stupidity.
Oregoncharles
Everyone knew about the torture. The memos are old news - but lasting proof. Obama did nothing but make his administration appear to be transparent. But what good is transparency if nothing comes of it, if the criminals who did this are scott free? When Americans come out of worship mode, they might want to think.
If a criminal is caught in a robbery where many people were harmed and some died as a result and there's a video to prove it, do we praise the local police for showing us the video but allowing the criminals to go free? "We believe in transparency. We will show you footage of all the brutal crimes but we won't do anything about them. ha! Don't ya just love us? Now get back to your worship!"
Obama and those he has surrounded himself with are transparent alright, we can see right through them.
As usual a very good article by Mr.Greenwald.
When governments say "National Security" they are referring to
the security of the government.
Citizens often naively think it means the security of the country or
the security of the people.
Many things are classified because if the people found out what their
government was doing they might riot in the streets and destabilize
said government.
This is true and has always been true for all governments.
-- Tiger --
"Many things are classified because if the people found out what their
government was doing they might riot in the streets and destabilize
said government....This is true and has always been true for all governments."
If that were true, we wouldn't have the Freedom of Information Act.
"Senators and Presidents don't have men killed."
"Who's being naive, now, Kay?"
Come on - grow up, all of ya. You think the CIA and friends would hesitate to eliminate any threats that get too close?
Word was clearly sent to BO: here's the line. Do not cross it.
Unacceptable rationale.
Would the same apply to anyone else who made a real diffrence? Real change?
Do you think it would've stopped MLK?
That is the acceptible risk if you choose to make a real difference.
a statesman is an easy man,
he tells his lies by rote,
a journalist makes up his lies
and takes you by the throat.
so stay at home and drink your beer and let the neighbors vote
said the man in the golden breastplate
under the old stone cross....w.b. yeats(from memory)
Paul Revere I believe was born this day, no? Anyway, PR, I prefer
THIS IS A TIME FOR TRANSPARENCY AND JUSTICE....WE CAN'T EVEN HAVE GENUINE REFLECTION WITHOUT EITHER.
I keep waiting for Obama to drop his (most excellent) mask of confidence and control and to up the ante....have a Howard Beale or Bullworth moment and surprise us all with the sort of candor practically guaranteed to incur the violent wrath of the guntoting wingnuts, but at least capable of breaking through the false fronts and cynicism of the talking heads, politicians and lobbyists, let alone the militarists and torturers with their schitzoid, twisted perspectives. But, alas, only Hollywood can simplify to that extent and get away with it, adding yet another martyred celluloid hero to the collection. We humans seem to be perpetually at the cusp of a 100th monkey quantum leap beyond shock-doc capitalism's exclusivity and exceptionality, but perhaps all these exposures of our imperfections, cruelties and blindnesses will make it somehow easier to overcome or correct them with the higher part of our nature as human beings. sigh. I keep thinking maybe we need the Dalai Lama or Thich Nhat Hahn or better yet a council of Native American elders to mediate every high level meeting from now on just to keep it real.... as it is, the surreality of it all just makes a person want to curl up in a fetal position. Impossible to serve two masters... mammon and moral fortitude. Articles like this give me a big hopeache, as per N.Klein, but I suppose the irritant's worth is in the action taken to relieve it. Transparency and justice....nonviolence and a respect for TRUTH would certainly help.
Matangicita: Well said friend.Yeah too bad we cannot give the country back to the only REAL, Americans as they had it for at least 10,000 years and kept it pristine and unpolluted with no foreign wars and had a beautiful religion,but when the terrorists showed up in 1492 that all changed; but only one problem: I seriously doubt that they would want their country, that was stolen from them back.
Sioux Rose
MATANGICITA: Very well-stated. I know just what you mean and feel.
What O Bomb A should have said: This is a time for retribution, not reflection.
I recently heard a quote from RF Kennedy that about 20% of the people of the US were against everything, all the time. That reference was brought up in the context of the teabaggers.
Fenner's comment. "I would rather have anybody else but him in office." You've got to be joking - yes? Bush II perhaps?
This comment unequivocally places Fenned among the twenty percenters. Your glib, choleric comment may be well written, but the content still sets you among the grunting yahoos.
Agreed. It would be impossible to consider seriously anything asserted by one who maintains that "anybody else" would be preferable to Obama.
In fact, that is the most sobering truth in all this; it is almost impossible to imagine this country electing anyone *better* than Obama. And yet, it becomes clearer and clearer than Obama isn't really going to fundamentally change anything. Face it folks---no matter how you look at it, the U.S. is a failed experiment.
richsmith2,
I meant to say practically any other Democrat, so you are right on that point. But you are incorrect to call me a grunting yahoo. I have been a life long Democrat. I first expressed reservations to friends about our new president after examining his so called anti-Iraq speech that stated: "That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics." To me, reading between the lines, that was a dangerous statement, perhaps more so than Bush calling himself "A War President," because it is full of the potential for self-delusion and righteous justification for the very murder that is taking place under his command as we speak. Does it really matter to the children or the parents of children living in poverty whether Bush or Obama ordered up a drone attack that destroyed their life and created infinite pain? Does it matter to them if the president considers himself a war president or if he considers his actions reasonable and of principal? You need to remove your blinders, your conditioned thought and examine the facts, not as you want them to be, but as they are. You might start by attempting to assume the point of view of somebody whose child has been killed by this man's actions already. I am practical when it comes to politicians, but there is indeed a line that has been crossed.
And that was simply a sweeping generalization to dismiss the points he made.
People keep carping about how we have to pressure Obama and then they turn around and condemn anyone who might be itemizing the reasons he should be held to pressure.
We Can help Obama do the right thing if he knows enough of us want him to. We need to figure out the way to send a strong message any suggestions?
I continually email whitehouse.com; I haven't been in the streets since a protest against the atack on Gaza. I'm disappointed that my replies are continually misplaced and therefore lack context.
Impeach ------ Yes We Can ------------- Impeach them all until we get a law abiding Populist
You mean like electing him?
What was the point, then?
Okay, let's release them then ignore it?
These things can not be viewed seperately as is attempted in this case of acknowledging one part at the expense of the other.
That is possibly worse because it idicate a cynical gameplan of sorts:
The bone thrown is: Look we will show you (some of the)criminal truth
But we excuse it.
Your article about the bone being thrown and only part of the truth being shown may be more prescient than we dare to think. Members of Congress were horrified at photos and videos that were taken just at Abu Ghaib and clamped a lid on further release. One report indicated that the Inspector General of the CIA had built files that were the equivalent of two New York City phone books and Dick Cheney brought pressure to stop further investigations. We know that Larry Wilkerson stated that 103 prisoners had been killed by various means by the questioners, mostly through crude techniques as beatings or hypothermia at Bagram or Kandahar. My take is that the screechings from Hayden and others is a warm-up to try to prevent the really bad stuff from being exposed. That one comment from the released prisoner at Abu Ghaib,"They brought electricity to my ass before they brought it to my house" may be just the tip of the iceberg. As bad as it all was, we need to focus on the lies that lead to the war of aggression against Iraq and the loss of over 4200 US soldiers and at least 100,000 Iraqis because of the destabilization of their country.
The right wing ranting about giving al Qaeda the torture playbook is pure nonsense as usual. How many tortured Muslims have been released? Hundreds? Duh do you not think a good percentage of them have been debriefed by al Qaeda? And Duh the public at large knew all the techniques ,except the insect in the box,already.
Notice the worst politicians have the physical appearance shared by Cheney, Rove and Hayden.
How high a rank must I acheive in government before I am immune from justice?
Sioux Rose
I appreciate and applaud Mr. Greenwald keeping track of all the "on the record" details and how they are interpreted by others sources in media. He makes an excellent point here, as usual. Perhaps Obama's innate duality/duplicity explains why on one hand he handed to the justice community more ammunition, while conversely laying a case for granting immunity to those who participated in a torture network.
Perhaps the Spanish judge will take a new look at the evidence given the impediments to justice in the land of the mistaken for free and brave.
forget it sioux rose, that's just been thrown out the window too.............
Sioux Rose
COCO: I heard "the news," but my point was that maybe this NEW info would have the judge (and the Spanish elite who evidently thwarted his intentions) change his mind.
Although, I admire this article and don't want to denigrate it, I do think it's time for people to understand the "pattern of deception" that's refelctive of Obama's record from the beginning of his career. I believe the release of the memos fits into this pattern more clearly than Greenwald admits here. This pattern was most apparent in his support of ethanol policy despite its clear link to world hunger. Obama knows what the majority of the people will and will not see, he knows how to play the MSM as well as his left wing base, he knows how to use race and background to his advantage. All of this would be fine if the end was result was something positive, if the political game were for something worthy. But unfortunately it's quite the opposite. The end result is the huge spike in world hunger and the relentless price of food that remains despite world deflation, the permanent occupation of Iraq, the doubling of drone attacks and the doubling of fire power used against innocent children in Afghanistan, and the unprecedented transfer of wealth from low to high via the bailout program. It is time people recognize that he's not just another politician. His desire for power is pure, unforgiving and most of all willing to step deep into the realm of the immoral. He's neutralized the left, neutralized what Bush stirred up. God help us if there is a terrorist attack. I would rather have anybody else but him in office. If he sees the chance to extend his power via military campaign he will take it, without a doubt.
Numerous commentators are objecting to the idea that Barack Obama deserves credit for his release of the OLC torture memos yesterday...
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It's all playacting.
The powers that be decided that this issue was building to a head. In this instance, to NOT release the memos would cause more harm than to release them.
So Obama was given the green light.
A massive right-wing and corporate media campaign was ordered to be put in play immediately to confuse and obfuscate and short-circuit any remaning energy and anger in the public.
By the time the professional propagandists are done spinning their misinformation most of the country will have all the facts wrong, oppose legal action and will revel in their new-found ignorance.
By Monday the issue will exist only on progressive and libertarian websites where it will die a slow death.
You may very well be right, but, as what you suggest will never be known as it is conjecture and conspiracy theory ( not meant to be denigrating,honest), I prefer another tack.
Obama puzzles me, frankly. I have roundly criticized his appointments and some actions as well, as well as some important inactions. But the article does make one think a bit on what he does and why he does it. The guy is smart, a lot smarter than am I , to be honest. Perhaps he sees paths to goals we share, paths not visible to me, I do not know, but releasing those memos desereves, I believe, better than what you offer. It does give me pause.
I don't think it's a conspiracy theory to say that Obama's decisions support the interests of the ruling elite. To say that there are forces inside and outside the government that calculate the effect of certain actions and announcements on the public and that the corporate news media organizes its message around the interests of those with economic and political power is no conspiracy theory - it's plain common sense. The burden of proof is on those who believe that Wall Street interests don't dictate Obama's decisions - they sure look that way from all the evidence I can see.
Regardless of how logical your assumption it is still theory, and a theory about a conspiracy is a conspiracy theory.
I must add that you make a logical, concise and intelligent case.
Thanks for your generous words. Let me be more precise. Obama probably consults with a number of policy makers before he makes a decision, but I doubt those whose interests his decisions supports need to call him and make sure he leans their way. They don't have to. He would not now be President if they didn't trust his instincts. No need for conspiratorial gatherings. I think the process is better described in the following incident: a major national news personality was once asked if the producers of his news program ever tried to influence his reporting. He retorted with outrage, "No one has ever tried to influence my reporting in any way. I say exactly what I like!" To which his interviewer commented, "Indeed, you say what you like because they like what you say." Class interest is a subtle force. People like Obama get where they are because of who they are and how they think and act. No need to invoke the Bilderburg group. He acts with passionate sincerity and conviction because his convictions harmonize perfectly with the interests with those who supported him.
Let me expand the point a bit more. Those who who control economic power in the U.S. would never dream of directly ordering someone like Obama. That would destroy their moral authority as well as his. His power comes from his sincerity, which would be undermined if he didn't act from his own convictions. As long as those convictions are powerful enough to sway the crowd, they will do everything they can to encourage him. And that support will continue as long as his actions reflect their interests.
The attention and pressure required to keep those mechanisms leading to torture before both legislators and the public also require broad based coalitions.
NRCAT - National Religious Campaign Against Torture is an active option
http://www.nrcat.org/index.php