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Rage to Reform
Why policymakers need to hear the nation's anger.
A U.S. Capitol Police officer stopped me as I tried to make my way inside the House Financial Services Subcommittee hearing on AIG compensation last week wearing a sign pinned to my butt that read, "Bonus? My ass!" "I was told by the committee that you can't go in with signs that have profanity," the officer said. "So you'll have to take that off." Then, as I unpinned the sign from my skirt, he whispered, "Not that I don't agree with you."
Members of Codepink, or "the pink ladies," as Congressman Paul E. Kanjorski of the finance subcommittee called us, became a fixture in congressional chambers during the Bush administration, protesting the war in Iraq. We gave voice to the general public sentiment that had turned against the war long before Congress did. We embodied the public outrage that helped sweep Barack Obama into the White House.
Today, while Codepink still rallies and lobbies for an end to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we've become vocal-and visible-opponents of Wall Street bailouts. Once again, we represent the public's anger, this time against the corporate profiteers who, in the words of Sen. Charles Grassley, are "sucking the tit of the taxpayer." We personally share in the anger: one of the women with us inside last week's hearing room was Cynthia Benjamin (no relation), a nurse for 34 years with a son serving in Iraq. She drove to D.C. from upstate New York to give Congress a piece of her mind.
"You're damn right I'm angry," Cynthia told a reporter during a break. "First they took my son, who is serving his second tour of duty in Iraq, and now they took my retirement fund and my 401[k]. What the hell is this government doing?"
Such expressions of public outrage are all too rare inside the halls of Congress or the D.C. Beltway. At public hearings in Congress, the gray-suited K Street corporate lobbyists pay poor people (known in the business as "line standers") to hold their spots in line so they can breeze into the hearings at the last minute, making it almost impossible for the public to get in.
But the public's anger at the corporate greed that spurred our economic crisis has pushed people to work harder to make their voices heard-from swamping the congressional switchboards with calls to camping outside a congressional hearing to guarantee entry. Back in their home districts, lawmakers are besieged by constituents demanding answers, demanding transparency, demanding solutions. Lawmakers need to hear this public outrage and will make better policy if they do. In fact, the one silver lining of this economic debacle is an opening for instituting populist policies that could rein in some of these corporate excesses.
The public has finally woken up to the obscene distortion of values in the corporate world, which includes salaries and bonuses that are simply out of whack. In 1980, CEOs at Fortune 500 firms were paid 42 times the average worker's salary. By 2007, they were being paid on average 364 times as much.
The public has figured this out, and has begun to figure out solutions, too-and demand them. Shareholders, the true owners of corporations, should have the right to vote on major business decisions, including executive compensation. The accounting loophole that allows companies to sequester stock options from regular expenses must be closed, and options should be accounted for in every company's balance sheet. Congress should also do away with the ridiculous tax loophole for managers of hedge funds-the ability to claim their income as capital gains and pay only 15 percent in federal taxes-and put a conclusive end to excessive executive pay by capping tax deductions for executive compensation at 25 times the salary of any company's lowest-paid employee. If that worker received the minimum wage, the deductible for an executive would be capped at $304,200. The company could pay the executive more, but would not receive a tax break for the excess. This would generate more than $5 billion in extra revenues while acting as a check on grossly excessive compensation.
But these solutions alone will not fix the underlying problems with the corporate system that forced us into this mess. We need to create a new legal and regulatory framework that aligns corporations with social needs, including giving greater power to shareholders. A system that requires boards of directors to include representatives of all major stakeholders-workers, government and communities-and enforces collective-bargaining laws that level the balance of power between workers and managers.
The economic crisis, and the public's furor over executive pay and behavior, has provided Congress with an opportunity not just to rein in CEO compensation but also to remake the out-of-touch, irresponsible corporate system. Until that happens, we'll keep wearing our signs.
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Show AllGee Medea, no thoughts about the Obama gang and how you feel they are doing? What exactly are our options though in this de-frauding of the people? Pretty much everything Obama promised he has backtracked on and I don't think anyone thinks he will do anything different than the previous criminal administration?
cheers,
thong-girl
I think it was a lot smarter to focus on the root cause of the problem, and not just focus on Obama. The Obama hatred is everywhere on this site, and I understand. But what I wish people would understand is change him out and put in a new head, and nothing changes because we haven't changed the system.
Can you find one citing that states,"I hate Obama"? Admittedly there are some over the top postings but that is certainly to be expected. Many refused to listen when so many of us were warning about putting ones trust in this or any candidate from the mainstream.
We are in total agreement in the opinion that our system is rancid, to succeed within it one must sell ones soul to the monied interests, thus disqualifying oneself from the progressive ranks. However, currently, Obama is the guy in charge, he is the one putting forward an agenda and bargaining with the legislature to enact laws and write bills. Therefore criticisms of his positions are inevitable, dontcha think?
I wait in vain I guess...People who post unsupportable claims and then, when challenged , beat a hasty retreat only to post the same bullshit elsewhere may think themselves pundits, but they only fool themselves.
The bonuses are a canary in a coal mine. The real problem is that when a Bush is replaced by an Obama, Wall Street is still apparently in charge. The bailout proposed by Obama (yes, the buck stops with him) is a continuation of the largest theft in history.
In 2000, we saw the dangers of third parties. Today, we are seeing the dangers of the duopoly. Rage is fine, but nothing will happen until... until, what?
Until the people figure out how to punish those doing the stealing. I'm with those on here who believe the Dems are no different than the former criminals, but that just leaves us nowhere. Until we go after the crooks one by one, let's start with a bank and an oil company. Let's spread the word to avoid just those two and see what happens. How about Bank of America and Chevron?
thong-girl
Yes, rage is fine, but nothing will change until people like Medea are bypassed and alternative (to the Democrats) organization is actually built. One rather thinks that Hell would freeze over before Medea would lead us in that direction.
Yes, I agree.
We need new leadership, a new national organization, or at least better promotion for the few that are really doing the work of building democracy.
MB is over, over OVER!! Pinning a sign to her butt that she knows will be challenged- c'mon a little dignity, please.
Consensus building and an effective strategy are what is really needed, now.
Enough with the antics.
What's your beef with Media Benjamin? What do you mean she is over over over? Is it the in-your-face political theatre? Is it the political/commercial activism of Global Exchange and the Green Festival ? Is it the peace delegate missions to Gaza, Iraq, and Mexico, working on womens rights and an end to violence against women? Is it the articles she frequently writes, or the conferences and demonstrations that she and her husband organize? Yeah, that takes true dignity, which includes a sense of humor...
So she may not be the face (or ass) of your idealized national consensus movement, but at least she has enough strength, compassion, and conviction to live her own truth and work like there's no tomorrow to change the world by raising everyone's awareness of various issues...regardless of how her "antics" make some people feel uncomfortable or desire "better promotion"...
Belittling other activists for their choice of tactics is not an effective way to go about building that democracy... It says more about the one making the critique than it does about the object of criticism...
So what are you doing to make this world a better place...?
Thanks for that GM, such criticisms of Code Pink's approach to political theater stem more from a lack of understanding than from any reality.
odoco
Quite simply - what's the plan?
The rising anger on the left, the general awakening to the economic morass, is genuine. But what is the plan?
Thong Girl 11:02 is correct - nothing will change until we begin to formally prosecute those who have manipulated, prostituted, polluted and destroyed the economic system. They nailed Madoff because he was 'outside' of the system - an easy target, but they haven't even mentioned holding anyone legally accountable for grand theft nation who reside within the contaminated halls of Wall Street.
The corporate structure, the military industrial complex, American imperialism, all combined - now controls our destiny as a people, as a nation, as a world.
So - what is the plan????
Here's a start, if you can get to London, www.g-20meltdown.org.
The plan is for all the people to shift their exchange/association away from the elites and toward their local communities of small farmers, craftsmen and merchants. This means we do business only with the locals, we take jobs only with the locals and we join organizations consisting only of locals. This is a holistic approach, combining economic, political, social and environmental benefits.
Lawrence Summers, one of the gangsters that engineered the deregulation that created this hellhole, claims the AIG bonuses are protected by legal contracts the government can't possibly break even though the suffering taxpayers are cutting the checks for the crooks that ran the company into the ground.
Meanwhile, ex Goldman-Sachs CEO, NJ Governor Corzine, who bought his own election, convened a secret meeting of his own appointees, to break the Union contract:
//www.philly.com/inquirer/business/20090326_N_J__leaders_get_more_powers_to_furlough_workers.html
Wonder if this is happening everywhere beneath the radar?
Keep up the fight, MB, but let's not ignore the facts on the ground. For all your hard work and dedication... we're still occupying Iraq with no end in sight; we're sending more and more soldiers to Afghanistan to die and/or be maimed for nothing; the world's greatest thieves continue to be rewarded; and the "angry public" still refuses to take any action besides upping the "Idol" ratings and helping Wal-Mart and McD's earn ever more profits.
The corrupt powers-that-be have no reason to fear "us," and, hence, have no reason to change their criminal enterprise known as the system...
My rage overrunneth today at hearing Hillary’s comments on the War on Drugs that has escalated into a war on America’s citizens and has now overflowed into Mexico in so extreme a fashion that even the media is taking notice. Of course what is happening in Mexico is no different than what happens to any nation that the US has bound into a political straightjacket to provide resources and markets for the US; what is different about Mexico is that the product in question is a contraband – a product that was recommended for decriminalization 40 years ago by the Schaefer Commission – yet here are the ostensible “liberals” of today spouting the same blinkered intransigence as conservatives of yore.
You gotta fight
For your right
To PA-ARTY!
Yeah, Hillary's high school Vice-Principalmarmish comments were truly gagworthy.
Funny how this new, improved, state-of-the-art, cutting-edge, 21st-Century administration is recycling War on Drugs propaganda and methods that haven't changed in forty years of failure.
What a bunch of stiffs!
· Yr Obd't Servant
I believe there is a Consensus that the two Supreme Court decisions Corporation = Person and Money= Speech have allowed the present corporate rule.
There seems to be no chance this Supreme Court will overturn those rulings. Twenty years in the future is a possibilty of a different Supreme Court.
Without money both Corporations and Governments cease to exist, both must be starved as much as possible.
"But these solutions alone will not fix the underlying problems with the corporate system that forced us into this mess. We need to create a new legal and regulatory framework that aligns corporations with social needs..."
In other words, create a new template, one that declares the public interest to be more important than the demands of private interests.
The same template Ronald Reagan and the Republicans destroyed 30 years ago for which both parties now hold disdain.
if everything stopped tomorrow, the school\job\paycheck\bills cycle, the vulnerabilities of the individual would quickly return to front-and-center: shelter from the elements, air to breathe, water to drink and food to eat...shelter and food are the keys...each involved, once again, in the sharing of minimal shelter and the provisioning of local, communal food...planting, gathering, rationing...we were not born to work, we were born to live...
the problem we're facing isn't a dying economy, but a dying planet due to our economy...
odoco
You've said it as clearly as it can be said.
The folks at the top urge all others onward in a self-defeating journey that benefits only the few, while simultaneously destroying the future for all.
It must stop. Education is the key - how do we do that?
If George Lakoff is right, education will do little to change the system in the final analysis. Education is also socialization and it is that socialization that supports the system. During Vietnam, for instance, there was a positive correlation between degree of education and support for the war; resistance was a blue collar phenomenon, despite the presentation of hard hat riots against college student hippies in the media. College campuses were the base for protest merely because they had large student bodies of blue collar background who were meeting one another face to face and had sufficient leisure to plan and execute a protest.
Ultimately, of course, protest did not end the war but it kept up a pressure to end it on any pretexts that passed political muster. Merely ending a war is, however, small change compared to the transformation that is needed – a transformation that lies outside the rhetoric being offered in any quarter.
Education is the key for meeting up with the real challenges for the politically committed, but it will not attract a movement, nor provide it with sufficient motivation and daring to effect a change.
for whatever it's worth, Obama is having his virtual town hall meeting today. Their other big press release today was Tim Geithner talking (vaguely) about new financial system regulations. Go to www.WhiteHouse.gov and tell them to go big or stay home. End the tax dodges, including expensing stock options for CEOs, etc., regulate hedge funds, end credit default swaps outright, re-establish Glass-Steagall or something a lot like it, restrict executive pay. In addition, include mortgage relief in any new proposed stimulus or bank bailout. This means if you are a bank getting taxpayer dollars you have to do all of the above, plus go back and renegotiate ALL subprime mortgages down to more favorable terms. The banks and the investors would have to swallow the losses, however, no bank wants a foreclosed house on the books. A homeowner in the home with a 30 yr fixed is always better for the bank (and the homeowner) even if fees are waived and interest payments are lower. Even if down payments are lower due to this special circumstance. It's better for everybody.
Of course all this would require Obambi to grow a pair...Email him anyway. At least you can say you tried.
The people have to evaluate policy proposals, and bear down on the policymakers until the policies serve the public interests.
But USans are taught to not evaluate policy, and when they do, they get bad info. After the people manage to transcend those barriers, they find yet another one: a cultural resistance to action, and even if they overcome that one, the highest barrier of all remains: the indoctrination to resist serving their own better interests, the public interests.
You can email O'Bama, but it's probably much better to email a random USan and challege this indoctrination. Do it 100 times and you'll probably see some progress. Get a dialog going among thousands and a movement might form. With millions brought around to serving their own better interests, you have a revolution.
[ _____ The psychopaths in the pathocracy ARE behind it all, _____ ]
These fiends are beginning indirectly to show themselves, as times devolve into worse impacts that majority of those asleep begin to awaken. We will know them by their [ bitter ] fruit, as we know tress by their seed.
Regardless if you do believe this FINANCIAL CRISIS was planned ( and far from accidental ) -- the fact is that the elitist people in power are clearly still in power -- and they are the TEAM of arsonists who lit the Global HOUSE ON FIRE
Please see my postings about the absolute dissolute depth of depravity unplumbed ever before in human history :
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/03/26
TIME-STAMPs : npwr.luv March 26th, 2009 2:50 pm and npwr.luv March 26th, 2009 2:48 pm
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/03/23-0
TIME-STAMPs : npwr.luv March 23rd, 2009 12:27 pm and npwr.luv March 24th, 2009 11:42 am
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/03/22-6
TIME-STAMP :npwr.luv March 22nd, 2009 4:49 pm and
"In short, during good times, moral, intellectual and personality values devolve to the point where a society is ripe for manipulation by snake-charmers and con-men of Rasputin-like charisma. Individuals become emotionally volatile, egotistical, and intolerant of other cultures. The resulting suffering necessitate great mental and physical strength to fight for existence and human reason. Slowly, what has been lost is relearned. Difficult times give rise to the values necessary to conquer evil and produce better times."
The most important job of politicians, like ◎bysmal and Hillary -- IS just smoke and mirrors to evade detection of the real culprits behind it all.
Namaste
Media, some of us have raged all of our adult lives although I have yet to rage in pink. This shyt takes forever. The tragic comedy that is unfolding in Washington and Wall Street will be the last hurrah! My voice will be among the raging in an effort to save as many as possible. At that point I will stop raging and turn completely to Spirit and accept the inevitable.
The public is barking at the wrong tree. Executive pay, bonuses, lack of regulations, lack of accountability, etc. are merely symptoms of the disease. The root cause is the Congress being run by the highest bidder. Until elections are publicly funded, and corporate donations are made illegal, nothing will change.
You are right. That's why the press works overtime to libel worthy candidates during elections and give us false choices. Nevertheless, making the bribees feel severely uncomfortable can get us some results so we need to keep the heat on the targets. We also need to rage at the editors of newspapers who are the chief enablers in this system. We know who they are and we know their e-mail addresses. Write to them repeatedly and don't give them a minute of rest. Buycott their newspapers. It's the only way.
"In fact, the one silver lining of this economic debacle is an opening for instituting populist policies that could rein in some of these corporate excesses."
Reign in the elites by 10% and you get back 10% of your surplus that they steal from you (and your progeny). Umm, let my dog do the math: Reign in the elites by 100% and you get back 100% of your surplus. More doggy treats for all!
Dark Musings That Won't Go Away
The US, in growing numbers, is more and more approaching the exact same point that Afro-Americans were reaching circa 1963. By then there had been 5-6 years of dilligent non-violent protests over the inequity of American life for those protesting.
The ethical and moral courage of the protesters were both noted and admired BUT NOBODY FROM JFK OR THE CONGRESS AND SENATE, TO THE NON AFRO-AMERICAN AVERAGE MAN ON THE STREET SO MUCH AS LIFTED A FINGER (UNLESS IT WAS A MIDDLE ONE) IN RESPONSE TO THE SITUATION.
Back then thoughtful and concerned Afro-American leadership warned that things were getting ready to explode and they too were patronized, marginalized, and pretty much ignored. Nobody could have predicted that the explosion would start in Watts, then move to the North and Mid-West of the country (Gary, Detroit, Newark) but it did.
Back then there was a distracting war on the other side of the earth too, and the elites (who never cared much about it before when they were doing the inflicting) suddenly got very concerned over violence, law and order, and civil unrest.
Today, those sensitive and activist souls in IVAW, Code PInk, The Granny Brigade, and others are giving us similar warnings concerning issues from the wars of aggression, to corporate and elitist greed, to the lack of responsible government regulation, to the gloom of desperation and despair hanging over the the growing millions of newly homeless, jobless, physically and emotionally disabled veterans, and tent city dwellers.
As with Afro-Americans in '63, these dissenters to the status-quo have a President, Congress, and Senate who tell them "We hear you loud and clear", "We're mad too", and "we gotta do something about this" while doing absolutely nothing of real substance to address the ills that ail the nation.
So, when and where will the explosions that start to tear away at what is left of the fabric of society occur this time? Will desperate homeless people being hassled once too often by police finally go beserk and riot?
Will angry and desperate disabled vets finally get tired of waiting for needed care and take up weapons and use their training to "rage against the war-machine"? How about all the newly arrived immigrant labor for whom there is no work at any price?--they have nothing to go home to and nothing for which to look forward.
Which gated communities of privilige will be the first to be lit up by angry torch-carrying mobs? Sanibel or Hilton Head Islands? Cape Cod or the Hamptons? How about Greenwich Connecticut or Scarsdale NY? Which fancy-schmantzy corporate offices will catch the first RPG (rocket propelled grenade) attack? AIG, Citigroup, the NY Stock Exchange, Bank of America, or maybe Wells Fargo?
Medea and those like her are correct and increasingly they have reached the end of their collective relevence. There is too much dry tinder of rage out there just waiting for the next spark of elitist indifference to begin a holocaust-like conflagration. The elites will then respond with forceful measures which will have the same effect as pouring gasoline or some other accelerant on a flaming heap.
We all are in serious, serious trouble and too few seem to comprehend the desperation of our situation.
Poet
The scenario you envision could very well take place, but it won't happen until the other shoe drops...
Once Halliburton has finished building the FEMA camps, and Owebama finishes giving away our great grandchildren's tax dollars to the banksters, the corporatists will do another "pump & dump" to steal the rest of the middle class' pension & 401-k earnings, and the rest of the houses have been forclosed on...
Expect to see agent provacateurs, cops dressed as homeless or "illegal immigrants" or demonstrators, initiate acts of property destruction and/or throwing rocks at the uniformed cops from within a peaceful crowd... justifying the Gestapo police state tactics to pepperspray, gas, taze, club, shoot, trample anyone with in striking distance, declare martial law, and arrest en masse all of the activists at the various rally/march/protests, and truck them like cattle to the FEMA camps... The ICE round ups of "illegal immigrants" are a dry run/ dress rehearsal for the large scale operation to come...
On a somewhat related note...
The Israelification of the US is nearly complete...
They have inspired our military and politicians to embrace their favorite tactics...
Hooding prisoners, extreme positions, extrajudicial executions carried out by assassination squads, building a "freedom wall" around Bagdad, collective punishment and targeting of civilians, Ghettoization of cities, forced evictions from people's homes, and "false flag" operations... Thanks Knesset and Senate...!
We are all Palestinians now...
What you say (particularily in the last section minus the anti-Zionist rant) is the equivalent of foresters doing a "controlled burn" in order to exhaust the fuel in the way of a raging fire.
What I am saying is that game has been played before and it did not keep Black and young America from revolting and torching the cities--neither J. Edgar Hoover's cointelpro, nor similar efforts from the CIA, nor all the cops, federal marshalls, nor the National Guards, kept order. The difference between then and now is the much larger number of Americans that have been left desperate and hopeless.
Neither the "law and order" right nor the "bought and bossed" left, nor the well intentioned but ineffective moderates have a clue of the forces they are systematically letting lose with their carefully phrased PR cutivated sound-bites which are accompanied by a continuation of the status quo.
At the rate things have been going they will not have that much longer to wait till everything expodes in their collective faces. The spark of indifference has kindled teh flame of anger which has lit the fuse leading to an explosion that no one will be able to control. It's just a matter of seeing how long we have to wait before that explosion occurs. A fire once started has a mind of its own and is not subject to the wishes, demands, or reasonings of rationalilty.
Poet
"A fire once started has a mind of its own and is not subject to the wishes, demands, or reasonings of rationalilty."
… and the destruction may well be likened to Asimov's "Nightfall"
"… and the destruction may well be likened to Asimov's "Nightfall"
Namaste--
As I understood NIghtfall, Asimov chronicles the angst of the mythical planet Lagash whose continual light it is discoverd is due to be interupted by the failing of one of several stars that keep it constantly in the light. As the moment of truth arrives, when the star fails instead of hysteria over NIghtfall destroying the civilization, the appearence of multiple other stars previously invisible reduces the civilization to smoke and ashes.
Were our problems externally based or caused, you might have an apt comparison. However, the calamity I am describing is self-inflicted and due to our ignoring what we already know, not some fear of the unknown. Our problems are neither physical nor external to ourselves. Rather, they are spiritually caused and begin and end in the hearts of each and every one of us both individually and in the collective.
I could arabesque from there into the story of the Garden of Eden, but the disinformation and the animus towards anything specifically or even remotely religeous would generate a flurry of irrelevent and distracting comments.
Suffice it to say, that my response to your hypothesis (at least as I understand it as I stated above) is the line that Shakespeare has Julius Ceaser say to Brutus...
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves"
Thanks to you, Namaste, for your thoughtful and stimulating responses on this forum.
Poet
Thanks for the reply...
I dont understand your forest fire control burn analogy...
I am saying that the Corporatist elite are arsonists who started the forest fire, after building guarded evacuee work camps, knowing that the fire would destroy everyones homes but their own mansions, and the masses would be either a refugee in their own land, or work as a guard at the camps... This would leave the wealthy old growth standing, and burn off all the middle class understory plants, who might change the ecology to be more equitable someday, leaving only the saplings growing in prison tree-farms...
"I dont understand your forest fire control burn analogy...
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The forest fire is the combustible collective rage of a people too long ignored, marginalized, or patronized. The controlled burn will be the attempts of agent provocateurs to begin this fire at a time of their choosing rather than waiting for it to spontaneoiusly explode.
When they do this they will have underestimated the stored up fuel of raging anger waiting to explode and (as the fickle and unpredictable winds often do during a forest fire) will be in large part consummed by that of which they imagine themselves in control.
Poet
Literally, and figuratively
"hoisted by their own petard"
♥ I love the irony ♥,
… although I believe there will be "fire free" areas
which would be quite the opposite of "free fire" zones.
Of course, the "fault" lies within each of us, but that in itself is just merely a mistake ( missing the mark, in a game of bulls-eye ) not a sin.
I similarly feel that your postings are a breath of sanity, in an otherwise nearly insane world. Thank you for being one of the lights in the sky, even if we must eventually rely upon ourselves in the dark night of our soul's passage.
As for Nightfall, the physics is of a planet that zig-zags through a vast number of brilliant stars over nearly a thousand year cycle, which means that it is only nighttime once in that very long cycle -- when all light is then temporarily eclipsed for some number of weeks ( or months ) -- and it is profoundly nightfall.
Yes, this story is about a primal "fear of the unknown" and how people respond by burning everything to generate the missing experience of light. It is also about a small cult-like sect of scientists who knew this was coming ( and knew of the previous cycles ) and how they prepare for the coming dark ages -- to attempt to lessen the loss of all knowledge, and ease the awful transition. The later is a lesson in hope for the hopelessness we perceive too often
The scientists are Asimov's stand-in for humanities last trench hope, during our darkest hours, but even that is nothing compared to the rage of the people denied their illusions ( and they're coming soon, I hear them beating the door down … ).
I on another hand, believe that there is another inner level of hope for humankind, that is our intrinsic connection to the source of ALL that there IS. I believe that true spirit can never be be opposed to itself, and we ( our egos ) are in essence "standing in the way of our own light".
I laugh sometimes at the oxymoron of my own self destructiveness -- as our belief in the eternal soul means that it is the ego that must die, and that our collective core problem is identification of ego with this ineffable true self. Perhaps the death of our current society is nothing more or less the the death of our collective egos ?
I would suggest that this might ameliorate your idea of "… the calamity I am describing is self-inflicted and due to our ignoring what we already know, not some fear of the unknown. Our problems are neither physical nor external to ourselves. Rather, they are spiritually caused and begin and end in the hearts of each and every one of us both individually and in the collective."
Perhaps it is emotional abandonment, or ego's rage -- not the calm of PRESENCE and center of existence of ALL Life -- that you refer to as " … spiritually caused and begin and end in the hearts of each." How could that really be coming from our hearts, to rip apart our society -- unless, on the other side -- a long denied transformation really awaits us ( and thus a breakthrough is required ).
I really have no way of logically knowing, other than a peaceful acceptance and sense of the goodness of LIFE and it's essence.
As Einstein stated, we cannot solve the problems we face, continuing with the ways of thinking that got us into this mess.
I completely agree that all we can do is INDIVIDUALLY prepare ourselves ( internally ), and our families, as best we can -- because the system's response will be ultimately beyond anyone's control. Having a clarity of purpose and hope may be what builds the bridges to the other side, whereas resignation and rage is its own reward.
Namaste
Bamaste observes:
"Of course, the "fault" lies within each of us, but that in itself is just merely a mistake ( missing the mark, in a game of bulls-eye ) not a sin."
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Actually, several of the words translated from both Hebrew and Greek in scripture mean exactly that--in other words "missing the mark = sin". But this brings us back to the story of Creation and the Garden. This story is the rejection of Revelation in favor of The Scientific Principle which has at one and the same time broght us to where we are today and blinded us to its responsibility for doing so.
The greatest perversity of all individual's human nature is its capacity to see the faults of others and be blind to its own faults. In other words, the only deliverance from such blindness is beyond ourselves because only those who are other than ourselves can truly see our faults.
However, their credibililty to do so is compromised in our eyes by both our own blindness to ourselves and by their own faults so plainly visible to us but not to them. Multiplied exponentially by the billions over millenia of mankind's recorded history and you have a concise explanation of our present sorry and dangerous state.
Namaste further observes:
"As Einstein stated, we cannot solve the problems we face, continuing with the ways of thinking that got us into this mess."
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To which Poet would add, "nor any other way of thinking that has ever been tried by mankind in all of his recorded history" and the proof of this statement is the progressively greater messes in which we find ourselves.
Poet
Yes I'm well aware of the translation -- and my point is that the nominal "original sin" interpretation is total BS, and the commonly used connotation of sin is inverted from literal ( biblical ) reality. It ( sin ) is the ultimate hook into and under our skin for religious control of thinking, action, and society in general. It sux.
500 years ago, once we deviated from balanced and integral spirit/body/mind/feeling/thinking into "knowledge of good and evil", we were totally screwed and forever full of sin -- needing religion to save us, and denying individual connection with spirit.
I rather not characterize that " greatest perversity of all individual's" as human nature at cause, and prefer Eckhart Tolle's idea of egoic existence as a parasitic always comparing entity, that we must learn to ignore -- for those parts of the brain manifested for survival ( human nature ) are now killing us.
Similar our unsatiateable cravings for sweets and fat, that modern agriculture has made in abundance, that our bodies think that they still need having been developed over thousands of years for pure survival on the savanna environment with very little of those absolutely mandatory foods available.
People are wonderful as mirrors of our own faults, which we are nominally blind to, such that collective humankind and society hold important keys into understanding what we are usually unable to see in ourselves ( because the ego is against that realization ).
Perhaps "Our sorry and dangerous state" of billions of conflicting viewpoints -- is exactly what we need to see and fully perceive to reach through to the next level of consciousness ( and collectively society ) ?
I also believe that the teacher ( and lesson ) will appear, exactly when the student is ready. This is more a matter of faith than mere belief, but considering the alternatives -- I am glad to be were I am empowered.
Namaste
Namaste responds:
"the nominal "original sin" interpretation is total BS, and the commonly used connotation of sin is inverted from literal ( biblical ) reality. It ( sin ) is the ultimate hook into and under our skin for C
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What I am referring to has nothing whatever to do with "original sin" or "the ultimate hook into and under our skin for religious control of thinking, action, and society in general."
Organized religion with its byzantine heirarchies of control are yet another manifestation of the scientific hypothesis and its associated rationalizations that justify the need for humanity to seek to solve the problems of others by the external control of humanly devised institutions rather than seeking direction from that higher power responsible for the bringing into and sustaining of all that is existence.
Namaste concludes:
"Perhaps "Our sorry and dangerous state" of billions of conflicting viewpoints -- is exactly what we need to see and fully perceive to reach through to the next level of consciousness ( and collectively society ) ?
I also believe that the teacher ( and lesson ) will appear, exactly when the student is ready. This is more a matter of faith than mere belief..."
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Correcto Namaste--All of it is a matter of faith--that you realize such puts you into a very tiny minority of humanity and should be celebrated. This faith is that on which we are all pinning our continuing existence.
Poet--
(written by the way while munching on some Green and Gold--means it's organic and fair trade merchandise--semi-sweet dark chocolate taken to bring my hypoglycemic blood sugar level into proper alignment so I can go back to sleep.) :<)))
.Luv & Poet...
Thank you for the compliment, dialogue and forest fire analogies...
I agree... My beliefs are that the reality that I earlier described will most likely not come to pass, not that the Corporatist elite aren't trying...
I agree... Wealth creates insular thinking that misunderestimates the power of the local & global coalitions of social justice & peace & Green & indigenous groups & communities in solidarity...
The old world is decaying and collapsing as we speak...
Yet the new Green & Gold frontal lobal local global economy/ecology has already reached critical mass... And is growing exponentially...
Slowly replacing the old system relation by relation...
Unfortunately, much of this rage will be directed against the Democrats--and rightly so. The voters wanted Hillary, and the Democrats gave them Obama.
Never set a man to do a woman's work. ;)
Magic Book:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diSdwgtYBRc
Whew, there's more to be raging about: During O'Bama's town hall meeting Thursday he had to belt out some more of his famous O'Bama-Lies:
"Obama says the ideal path to universal health care is to build on the current system"
Build on a failed system?
"rather than scrap what has existed for generations."
We scrap other obsolete stuff, and plenty of unobsolete stuff, so that's not an argument.
"Asked why the U.S. couldn't opt for a European system, Obama said the United States has a legacy of employer-based plans that have filled the needs of a majority of Americans."
At double the real cost? Excellent, O'Bama!! USans willingness to pay double is a problem in itself. It's called: "what's the matter with Kansas, and the 49 others too?"
"He said the country has a set of institutions that aren't easily transformed."
Cutting the cost of healthcare in half will be a welcome institutional transformation that we've been waiting a couple decades for. Meanwhile, becoming a fascist police state perpetrating war without end and effective enslavement of the people to elites is a very traumatic, unwelcome institutional transformation that O'Bama's sponsors are jamming down the people's throats.
"He said the biggest driver of the nation's long-term deficit is Medicare and Medicaid."
Medicare/Medicaid's contributions to the federal budget deficit are the result of profiteering by the private suppliers. The programs actually have an extremely low administrative overhead compared with private insurance, which has cost inflation well beyond Medicare/Medicaid's. We demand Medicare for all, then we're going after the profiteers.
So there you have it. O'Bama is there to steal your cake and throw crumbs back at you. He can't reform finance, he can't reform the military, he can't reform energy and he can't reform healthcare. Is it time for the revolution yet?
The revolution has already begun in the minds of a growing number of desperate and hopeless people--when the violence, mayhem, and destruction start it will be the result of rather than the manifestation of the revolution.
Poet
The hundreds of billions in bailout money that have been given and will continue being given by the Fed and by the federal government to the banks “to save the financial system” are a de facto immense transfer of wealth from the general population to the richest 1%, 0.1%, etc, a transfer that intends to keep this upper crust as rich as it was before the financial bubble bursted and vaporized the upper crust “shrewd” investments in “innovative financial instruments” (and yes, what middlemen like “greedy bankers” and “Wall Street” do with some crumbles of the bailout money should be ignored since many Americans have mixed feelings about “the financial system” because their pensions and life-time savings could come back to life if the stock market recovered).
This immense transfer of wealth to resuscitate the upper crust that was started by Bush Jr and that Obama wants to continue, is especially pernicious as the upper crust is being given hard cash taken from tax payers who have just seen their savings and pensions shrink by about 50%. This means that upper-crust owners of financial vaporware are in the process of exchanging their worthless toxic assets at face value for hard cash taxed directly from those whose savings have been depreciated by the crisis created by the financial gamblings… of the vaporware owners!
Aside of the immense injustice and irony of this, the main macroeconomic consequence of these bailouts then is that the upper crust will emerge from this crisis even stronger relative to everybody else, by taking hard cash from everybody else.
However, if the citizenry is thoroughly informed about and become loudly outraged by this massive and immensely unjust transfer of wealth towards the richest Americans (which follows with a vengeance that started by Reagan in the 1980s), Obama will have no choice but to propose remedies, e.g., propose to tax back much if not all of the transferred money after the stock market stabilizes and the toxic assets' real value becomes clear; and he could even be pushed to claim an sizeable portion of the “regenerated wealth” for the taxpayers as “interest” earned by the “invested” taxpayer money.
The left must remind Obama vociferously that during his campaign he actually promised to redistribute wealth *in the other direction* and it should inform relentlessly the general population and in very clear and concrete terms about how the taxpayer money that is being used “to save the financial system” is, intentionally or not, “saving” from ruin America’s upper crust.
It is fine if Obama does not want to risk the eventual chaos that could follow a massive wave of bank bankruptcies, and it is also fine if he feels he cannot risk the “societal disorientation” that could arise if the upper crust of billionaires were to lose 95% of their fortunes if most banks went bankrupt or are even nationalized and the upper crust's toxic assets became terminally worthless.
What is not fine is that the left does not confront Obama publicly with the concrete consequences for the nation’s income distribution of his plans to “save Wall Street and the bankers”.
And it is self-defeating for the left to continue distracting the citizenry with denunciations of “the excesses of Wall Street and the greedy bankers” without stressing much more that the real scandal is that we are all being taxed in order to pay for the resurgence of America’s self-anointed neo-feudal upper crust that is now staring at trillions in worthless toxic assets which nobody wants.
Summarizing, the left must inform and educate the citizenry i) that the bailouts are an immense tax levied on all Americans to bring back from ruin an upper crust that is now de facto broke; ii) that the government should demand “investor rights” for every bank bailout that relies on taxpayer money; and iii) that any individual investor who will be saved through the deployment of taxpayer money should be compelled to “give back” most of what he/she will manage to recover or "earn" when the stock market recovers (i.e., that he/she should be taxed to repay with interest the “bailout help” he/she got from the taxpayers).
"Summarizing, the left must inform and educate the citizenry ..."
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The time for education and information by the left or anybody else has long since passed. The education flow needs to be in the reverse direction because the clueless ones are those who are in the leadership and not the public at large. The public at large "gets it". What they "get" is that they have no representation in those institutions that are suppossed to care for and protect them.
Increasingly there are millions of people who are growing more and more convinced that they have no country that matters to them in any significant way and neither the left nor anyone else has any convincing evidence to the contrary. More and more people are through with talk and are ready for action. This ringing alarm bell cannot be unrung.
Poet
keepitsimple
erplus -
"Obama will have no choice but to propose remedies" for the taxpayers??
From the time he announced his cabinet/staff appointees, it was abundantly clear that Obama is owned, and controlled, by the Banksters & MIC. He has been consistently proposing THEIR remedies with an A+ on THEIR score card. How could you possibly expect a different outcome?