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Zionism is the Problem
The Zionist ideal of a Jewish state is keeping Israelis and Palestinians from living in peace.
It's hard to imagine now, but in 1944, six years after Kristallnacht,
Lessing J. Rosenwald, president of the American Council for Judaism,
felt comfortable equating the Zionist ideal of Jewish statehood with
"the concept of a racial state -- the Hitlerian concept." For most of
the last century, a principled opposition to Zionism was a mainstream
stance within American Judaism.
Even after the foundation of
Israel, anti-Zionism was not a particularly heretical position.
Assimilated Reform Jews like Rosenwald believed that Judaism should
remain a matter of religious rather than political allegiance; the
ultra-Orthodox saw Jewish statehood as an impious attempt to "push the
hand of God"; and Marxist Jews -- my grandparents among them -- tended
to see Zionism, and all nationalisms, as a distraction from the more
essential struggle between classes.
To be Jewish, I was raised
to believe, meant understanding oneself as a member of a tribe that
over and over had been cast out, mistreated, slaughtered. Millenniums
of oppression that preceded it did not entitle us to a homeland or a
right to self-defense that superseded anyone else's. If they offered us
anything exceptional, it was a perspective on oppression and an
obligation born of the prophetic tradition: to act on behalf of the
oppressed and to cry out at the oppressor.
For the last
several decades, though, it has been all but impossible to cry out
against the Israeli state without being smeared as an anti-Semite, or
worse. To question not just Israel's actions, but the Zionist tenets on
which the state is founded, has for too long been regarded an almost
unspeakable blasphemy.
Yet it is no longer possible to believe
with an honest conscience that the deplorable conditions in which
Palestinians live and die in Gaza and the West Bank come as the result
of specific policies, leaders or parties on either side of the impasse.
The problem is fundamental: Founding a modern state on a single ethnic
or religious identity in a territory that is ethnically and religiously
diverse leads inexorably either to politics of exclusion (think of the
139-square-mile prison camp that Gaza has become) or to wholesale
ethnic cleansing. Put simply, the problem is Zionism.
It has
been argued that Zionism is an anachronism, a leftover ideology from
the era of 19th century romantic nationalisms wedged uncomfortably into
21st century geopolitics. But Zionism is not merely outdated. Even
before 1948, one of its basic oversights was readily apparent: the
presence of Palestinians in Palestine. That led some of the most
prominent Jewish thinkers of the last century, many of them Zionists,
to balk at the idea of Jewish statehood. The Brit Shalom movement --
founded in 1925 and supported at various times by Martin Buber, Hannah
Arendt and Gershom Scholem -- argued for a secular, binational
state in Palestine in which Jews and Arabs would be accorded equal
status. Their concerns were both moral and pragmatic. The establishment
of a Jewish state, Buber feared, would mean "premeditated national
suicide."
The fate Buber foresaw is upon us: a nation that has
lived in a state of war for decades, a quarter-million Arab citizens
with second-class status and more than 5 million Palestinians deprived
of the most basic political and human rights. If two decades ago
comparisons to the South African apartheid system felt like hyperbole,
they now feel charitable. The white South African regime, for all its
crimes, never attacked the Bantustans with anything like the
destructive power Israel visited on Gaza in December and January, when
nearly1,300 Palestinians were killed, one-third of them children.
Israeli policies have rendered the once apparently inevitable two-state
solution less and less feasible. Years of Israeli settlement
construction in the West Bank and East Jerusalem have methodically
diminished the viability of a Palestinian state. Israel's new prime
minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has even refused to endorse the idea of
an independent Palestinian state, which suggests an immediate future of
more of the same: more settlements, more punitive assaults.
All
of this has led to a revival of the Brit Shalom idea of a single,
secular binational state in which Jews and Arabs have equal political
rights. The obstacles are, of course, enormous. They include not just a
powerful Israeli attachment to the idea of an exclusively Jewish state,
but its Palestinian analogue: Hamas' ideal of Islamic rule. Both sides
would have to find assurance that their security was guaranteed. What
precise shape such a state would take -- a strict, vote-by-vote
democracy or a more complex federalist system -- would involve years of
painful negotiation, wiser leaders than now exist and an uncompromising
commitment from the rest of the world, particularly from the United
States.
Meanwhile, the characterization of anti-Zionism as an
"epidemic" more dangerous than anti-Semitism reveals only the
unsustainability of the position into which Israel's apologists have
been forced. Faced with international condemnation, they seek to limit
the discourse, to erect walls that delineate what can and can't be said.
It's
not working. Opposing Zionism is neither anti-Semitic nor particularly
radical. It requires only that we take our own values seriously and no
longer, as the book of Amos has it, "turn justice into wormwood and
hurl righteousness to the ground."
Establishing a secular,
pluralist, democratic government in Israel and Palestine would of
course mean the abandonment of the Zionist dream. It might also mean
the only salvation for the Jewish ideals of justice that date back to
Jeremiah.
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Show AllI have another theory. If Israel would have been created only 10 years earlier (1938 instead of 1948)- The holocaust might have been prevented. (or at least its scale reduced.)
Before the Nazis decide on the "final solution", they try to "encourage" Jews to immigrate. Unfortunately, no country accepted them in large numbers.
Even the British, who controlled Palestine, restricted Jewish immigration to only 15,000 a years (when millions were seeking refuge).
If there was a country in 1938, who would have no restriction on immigration (Similar to Israel today) - history might have been different.
True Jews Are Anti-Zionist
"Based on?"
"The true Jew always sides with the slave, never with the slave-master."
"Even if the slave-master is a co-religionist?"
"Especially then."
"What makes the Palestinian the slave?
"Having one's land occupied by another people is to be enslaved."
"And what turns the Jewish settler into a slave-master?"
"Occupying someone else's land."
"The answer being?"
"Jewish colonizer and colonized Palestinian sitting down together and figuring things out."
"Based on?"
"One equals one."
"Anything else?"
"Liberty and justice for all."
maybe it just needs some reframing... rather than be anti-whatever, it seems to be less volatile to declare what one is FOR... that is such a challenge for us. how to SEE and FEEL and not ignore the injustices and atrocities and all that, but not focus on the condemnation of them more than on the creative process of finding a solution and even listening to and enlisting the ideas and needs of 'the enemy' to arrive at a solution. i know this probably sounds overly facile, but it's tremendously hard work. hard work we need to get better about engaging in without the anti- frame automatically triggering a host of preconceptions, defenses and offensive backlash. 'jewish colonizer and colonized palestinian sitting down together and figuring things out', yes, but just the term 'colonizer' assumes a context that leaves out the (admittedly incredibly neurotic) fears of the jewish place among the human race being annihilated in revenge. it is messed up but this middle east brother/sister in the human family i think holds an important key to our continuance as a species. seriously. we need to come together as co-therapists for each other...after all the zionists aren't the only folks on the planet running roughshod over an 'other' to obtain a home for themselves. the israeli/palestinian conflict is just so very magnified and obvious because violence keeps being the tool turned to.... brute force or tapping compassionate wisdom? cooperation or extinction... what'll it be?
Sioux Rose
MATA: Refreshing post. Thank you for sharing an enlightened perspective on conflict of this nature.
Great article and excellent posts.
Nationalism, fundamentalism, racism, militarism, misogyny, elitism, authoritarianism and other forms of reactionary conservative bestiality have always been the enemy of peace.
Nonviolent response is the only way to end this disaster...
Like the non-violent response of the Jews to Hitler?
ONE pluralist, secular democratic state in all of historic Palestine is the solution! One person, one vote! Any faith-based country - whether it is Christian, Islamic, Hindu OR Jewish - is an anachronism in the 21st century.
This is an interesting thread. I also found it interesting that this article appeared in the LA Times, I guess as a counterpoint to an accompanying article headlined "Is anti-Zionism hate?" by Judea Pearl, professor at UCLA and president of the Daniel Pearl Foundation. The short answer to that question? "Yes. It is more dangerous than anti-Semitism, threatening lives and peace in the Middle East." Whether or not you to disagree, encouraging at least to see these issues being raised, and discussed openly.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-pearl15-2009mar15,0,6323783.story
Being anti-Zionist doesn't equate with being anti-semitic.
Does opposing white supremacy mean that you hate white people?
Is feminism the same as misandry?
Think people. C'mon.
Zionism is a national movement claiming that Jews has a right for self determination like any other nation.
Denying Jews a right that all other nations has - may be regards by some (such as the European Union's monitoring center on racism and xenophobia) as anti-Semitism.
Zionism is much more than what you state...and I suspect you know it. Zionism has always preached that the Jews are God's chosen people and that the land of Israel was 'deeded' to them by God. That is way, way past 'self-determination'.
Most Zionist were secular, many socialists.
You're referring to Religious Zionism, which were always a minority within the Zionist movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist
The most oppressed of all, these days, might just be those Jews who truly want peace and who are sick of being pushed into defending themselves against right wing zealots who apparently see an apocalyptic ending, if they don't kill anyone who disagrees with them. I learned about peace from Jews who, if still alive, would not recognize the power plays going on within their community. The Likkud and their heavy-handedness, at every single turn, is the reason peace-loving Jews are having to defend themselves against the resistance. JDL and AIPAC are nothing more than organized criminals with billions riding on the fate of the land they have taken in the Middle East. It's truly a shame that this group of oppressed, peace-loving Jews hasn't a voice. Unless John Stewart is willing to speak for them.
thong-girl
Some of the comments on this article are blatant antisemitism, which is itself one of the oldest and nastiest forms of racism. And some comments are, consciously or not, thinly veiled antisemitism, in the language of anti-zionism.
But for the rest of you, I think you missed the essence of what Zionism is, or confused what is is with how it has been used. Maybe it is analogous to confusing Islam with the horrible violence that has been done in the name of Islam, and Islam/Musim-hatred is no more justifiable that antisemitism or hatred of Jews and Judaism.
This is one of my favorite recordings of Hativkah, now the national anthem of Israel. When Al Jolson recorded it probably circa 1935, with the original words of Naftali Imber the text reflected an ancient and undying spiritual yearning for connection with the land of Israel, aka Zion. It is only when it became the national anthem that more explicitly nationalistic words were added.
http://www.lookstein.org/resources/al_jolson_hatikvah.mp3
Anyway. When I hear Al Jolson belting out hatikvah with all his heart, I think THAT conveys a deeper and more authentic sense of what Zionism is, and was intended to be. We can argue a lot about what or who the problem is, but in its essence it is not Zionism!
Civil responses only. No attacks, please.
Songs -- no matter how good or moving -- don't cut it any longer in Gaza
If zionists support the war in Gaza, additional settlements in Gaza & West Bank -- then they care not in the least for the secure future of ALL of Israel.
The worse kind of racism to me, is when it condones murder -- especially of a captive people in a apartheid prison camp.
Peace be with the PEACEMAKERS.
Namaste
Chaim. Hello.....
Al Jolsen doing the Israeli national anthem? That reperesents Zionism best to you? Okay.
But ragtime is quite shallow, a form of entertainment, relative to the depthless misery, enforced starvation, the Gaza Concentration Camp, the Gaza Holocaust, the West Bank theft and murders...Tristan's smashed face. How dare you, I ask civilly? You don't use the words PALESTINE or PALESTINIAN ONCE!
Of course not, that would be horrific, ugly and real.
But to hearken to Al Jolsen and the Jewish Country's National anthem is morally barbaric in the face of the suffering Israel causes. Uncivil is an understatement.
So Chaim, I read that the Racist country has now decided Avigdor will be the Foreign Minister, You know, of the Israel Is Our Home Party.
He is the proponent of LOYALTY OATHS for the 1.46 million Arabs left alive in Palestine, "Israel," by the way, what happened to Palestine?
So Chaim, you seen that missing country Palestine? It was just here. Ethnic Cleansing. Loyalty Oaths.
Chaim, my reply has been civil, your support of a country that runs a concentration camp, engages in ethnic cleansing and enforced starvation is quite uncivil though, it condones murder, to want to listen to Ragtimed Jewish Music while peole die, to sing and dance and feel good reminds me of a famous picture I've seen of Nazi SS guards with musical instruments, smiling and dancing near a death camp.
Note-Chaim, if you CAN, reply relative to the PALESTINIANS, because their endless deaths and perpetual suffering are what Zionism is really about. Not 'ragtime,' not yiddish anthems, no matter if they make you feel warm and fuzzy or not.
Joe.
Feb 25, 2009 21:20 | Updated Feb 26, 2009 11:55
By YAAKOV LAPPIN (haaretz)
A small number of young men soon to be drafted into the IDF from Hesder yeshivot around the country gathered at the Jerusalem Theater on Monday evening to hear speakers from the national-religious camp espouse the virtues of fulfilling "the commandment of war.
The event, the first of its kind, was organized to salute young religious men about to be inducted and attracted just over 100 youths.
IDF Chief Rabbi Brig.-Gen. Avichai Ronsky told the youths it was a privilege to be able to take part "in the commandment of war and the preparations for fulfilling it."
"Embrace this commandment with all your hearts. It is a right previous generations could not realize," Ronsky said.
The IDF chief rabbi said Jewish armies, from the battles between the Israelites and the tribe of Amalek to the present day, had always been manned by virtuous soldiers.
Tel Aviv Chief Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau delivered a speech expressing hope that Israel would embark on preemptive wars rather than wait for "the enemy to come here... and see the whites of our eyes."
"King David taught the people of Judah how to use the bow and arrow... Jacob our patriarch blessed his son Judah and told him to fight Israel's enemies, to attack them and not fight defensively... The descendants of the tribe of Judah will do the same," Lau said.
"Do we have another home? Somewhere else to go? This is our only home. Therefore, we have no choice but to fight... a preemptive war... not to wait for the next Operation Defensive Shield," Lau said, referring to the 2002 IDF operation in the West Bank launched after a string of suicide bombings in Israel.
"If we could throw down our sword, it would be the dream of our lives. We pray for this three times a day, that God will bless us with peace. But so long as this does not happen, we cannot lay down our sword," Lau added.
Rabbi Haim Druckman, who heads Bnei Akiva, said that "fighting our enemies is a commandment. To serve in the IDF is a commandment. We must remember that we could not carry out this commandment for 2,000 years. How happy we must be that we live in this great and special time, a time in which we have returned to our land, seen the founding of our state, the ingathering of exiles."
Druckman described yeshiva students in the army as "the jewel of the IDF, because they remind us of the soldiers of King David, of Bar Kochba, and Judah Maccabee. They know why they fight, what this country is for us, that this is the land of our fathers, the land God gave to us. There is nothing more just than our war for our existence and our country, which our enemies want to destroy."
The audience was also addressed by Rabbi Ze'ev Karov, head of the Shomron Yeshiva and father of Aharon Karov, who was called up to serve in Operation Cast Lead just a few hours after tying the knot and who was severely wounded in the Gaza fighting.
Karov said his son represented an individual who was nurtured by society and who was willing to sacrifice for the nation.
Kiryat Arba Chief Rabbi Dov Lior delivered a fiery and overtly political speech, calling for Israeli sovereignty over the whole of the Land of Israel and criticizing what he described as weak-minded IDF strategies in the face of Israel's enemies.
Citing the Torah, Lior noted that "200,000 Israelites and 10,000 Judahites fought Amalek. Why are the Judahites counted separately from the others? Because the Israelite army pitied Amalek. Today this is called being humanitarian."
He added, "Only the tribe of Judah did not pity Amalek, and destroyed it... The sons of Torah are taught not to pity their enemies."
Lior expressed hope that a growing number of IDF strategists coming from the national-religious camp would have an influence on future military campaigns.
"We need ethics from the Torah, not the Christian world, which teaches to turn the other cheek. This hypocrisy is against human nature," Lior said.
Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat also saluted the soon-to-be soldiers, saying the IDF was an army of "city-dwellers and villagers, secular and religious, left- and right-wing."
A religious band provided high-spirited music, and the youths danced along.
The event was organized by podiatrist Daniel Weiss, a religious man who, together with partner Haim Shuval, has been voluntarily explaining to soldiers for 10 years how to avoid the most common foot ailments suffered by soldiers.
"We want to show thanks to these guys. The other sectors of society have draft parties, but this sort of thing is unknown to the yeshiva students. We are encouraged by the selection of speakers who came, and we see this as a very important start," Weiss said.
Eliya Yonan, 19, of Eilat, who will be drafted to the Armored Corps in August, said he was impressed by the event, and that he fully agreed with the main message of the evening.
"To fight is a commandment, there is no doubt," he said.
Feb 25, 2009 21:20 | Updated Feb 26, 2009 11:55
By YAAKOV LAPPIN (haaretz)
A small number of young men soon to be drafted into the IDF from Hesder yeshivot around the country gathered at the Jerusalem Theater on Monday evening to hear speakers from the national-religious camp espouse the virtues of fulfilling "the commandment of war.
The event, the first of its kind, was organized to salute young religious men about to be inducted and attracted just over 100 youths.
IDF Chief Rabbi Brig.-Gen. Avichai Ronsky told the youths it was a privilege to be able to take part "in the commandment of war and the preparations for fulfilling it."
"Embrace this commandment with all your hearts. It is a right previous generations could not realize," Ronsky said.
The IDF chief rabbi said Jewish armies, from the battles between the Israelites and the tribe of Amalek to the present day, had always been manned by virtuous soldiers.
Tel Aviv Chief Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau delivered a speech expressing hope that Israel would embark on preemptive wars rather than wait for "the enemy to come here... and see the whites of our eyes."
"King David taught the people of Judah how to use the bow and arrow... Jacob our patriarch blessed his son Judah and told him to fight Israel's enemies, to attack them and not fight defensively... The descendants of the tribe of Judah will do the same," Lau said.
"Do we have another home? Somewhere else to go? This is our only home. Therefore, we have no choice but to fight... a preemptive war... not to wait for the next Operation Defensive Shield," Lau said, referring to the 2002 IDF operation in the West Bank launched after a string of suicide bombings in Israel.
"If we could throw down our sword, it would be the dream of our lives. We pray for this three times a day, that God will bless us with peace. But so long as this does not happen, we cannot lay down our sword," Lau added.
Rabbi Haim Druckman, who heads Bnei Akiva, said that "fighting our enemies is a commandment. To serve in the IDF is a commandment. We must remember that we could not carry out this commandment for 2,000 years. How happy we must be that we live in this great and special time, a time in which we have returned to our land, seen the founding of our state, the ingathering of exiles."
Druckman described yeshiva students in the army as "the jewel of the IDF, because they remind us of the soldiers of King David, of Bar Kochba, and Judah Maccabee. They know why they fight, what this country is for us, that this is the land of our fathers, the land God gave to us. There is nothing more just than our war for our existence and our country, which our enemies want to destroy."
The audience was also addressed by Rabbi Ze'ev Karov, head of the Shomron Yeshiva and father of Aharon Karov, who was called up to serve in Operation Cast Lead just a few hours after tying the knot and who was severely wounded in the Gaza fighting.
Karov said his son represented an individual who was nurtured by society and who was willing to sacrifice for the nation.
Kiryat Arba Chief Rabbi Dov Lior delivered a fiery and overtly political speech, calling for Israeli sovereignty over the whole of the Land of Israel and criticizing what he described as weak-minded IDF strategies in the face of Israel's enemies.
Citing the Torah, Lior noted that "200,000 Israelites and 10,000 Judahites fought Amalek. Why are the Judahites counted separately from the others? Because the Israelite army pitied Amalek. Today this is called being humanitarian."
He added, "Only the tribe of Judah did not pity Amalek, and destroyed it... The sons of Torah are taught not to pity their enemies."
Lior expressed hope that a growing number of IDF strategists coming from the national-religious camp would have an influence on future military campaigns.
"We need ethics from the Torah, not the Christian world, which teaches to turn the other cheek. This hypocrisy is against human nature," Lior said.
Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat also saluted the soon-to-be soldiers, saying the IDF was an army of "city-dwellers and villagers, secular and religious, left- and right-wing."
A religious band provided high-spirited music, and the youths danced along.
The event was organized by podiatrist Daniel Weiss, a religious man who, together with partner Haim Shuval, has been voluntarily explaining to soldiers for 10 years how to avoid the most common foot ailments suffered by soldiers.
"We want to show thanks to these guys. The other sectors of society have draft parties, but this sort of thing is unknown to the yeshiva students. We are encouraged by the selection of speakers who came, and we see this as a very important start," Weiss said.
Eliya Yonan, 19, of Eilat, who will be drafted to the Armored Corps in August, said he was impressed by the event, and that he fully agreed with the main message of the evening.
"To fight is a commandment, there is no doubt," he said.
alwaysamazed This certainly fits into Richard Falk's "Age of the Warrior" paradigm.
Have you heard of Beyond War movement? Global Mind Change? Please join!
James Joyce wrote a book of short stories called 'The Dubliners'.
wantrealdemocracy the USA would be best to acknowledge immediately that Israel has nuclear weapons. Th efarce is that Israel never acknowledges it has them. Were this to be recognised it would be illegal for thr USA to export arms to that State. But it is certainly the USA that has supported and protected this terrible State's crimes against Palestinians, Lebanese and Syrians. The USA does not respect international law nor does it respect its own laws. The US governments have consistently, since Israeli agression in '67, supported and armed these racist colonialists with political, diplomatic, financial and military support. They are at the center of US administrations. They call the shots. They have vetoed and ignored an outstanding UN resolution that demands access to its nuclear facilities among other UN resolutions. But this one is outstanding and Israel with the US veto continues to threaten behind the scenes their Samson Option. It is a farce that circumvents US laws on exportation of arms. It goes further by crying about the danger Iran poses when Iranian leadership had a Fatwah issued making it impossible that they would ever acquire nuclear arms. The USA breaks its own legislation to arm Israel and has never openly declared this State as a nuclear armed one. Neither has Israel. It has grown into a monsterous entity. Righ tnow it persists in punishing an entire population imprisoned and traumatised. Israel may well be a fact but it is a disgrace and a rogue illegal entity. It is based on an ethnic racist ideology called Zionism. When Mr Chiam sings along with Al Jolson on stolen lands and water he should review Zionist ideology and occupation. it is an outrageous affront to Justice and a diabolical insult to religion. I agree with Malcom. Who the heck is kidding who here?
Zionism Is What's Anti-Semitic
"How is this?"
"The occupation of Palestine by the settler-state that it created is what stokes the hate that underlies the violent messianic movements in the Mideast and elsewhere, movements which blame all Jews, whether Zionist, non-Zionist or anti-Zionist, for the settler-state's crimes against humanity."
"What else?"
"During the Holocaust Zionist leaders prevented agreements from being reached between the West and Nazi Germany that would have allowed hundreds of thousands of Polish and Hungarian Jews to obtain sanctuary in the West."
"Why?"
"As far as the Zionist leaders back then were concerned, East Europe's Jews could either go to Palestine or die in one of Hitler's gas chambers."
"And today?"
"Same attitude."
"For example?"
"When Israel invaded Lebanon two years ago and anti-Semitic violence broke out in France, the settler-state's Prime Minister, instead of taking the heat off of French Jews by pulling out Israeli troops, called for French Jews to immigrate to Israel."
"The answer being?"
"Justice for the Palestinian people."
"Based on?"
"One equals one."
"Anything else?"
"The right to return."
What is the difference between a Nazi and a Zionist? The Zionists have successfully equated 'Jew' with 'Zionist' - which was their original intention anyway (they admit that). Once a label - or a symbol, such as the Nazi cross - has been associated with a certain behavior, it is very hard to change opinions. 'Israel' - occupied Palestine - will ALWAYS be associated with the genocide of Palestinians. 60+ years of Zionist-Israeli terrorism has made that connection permanent. Until Palestine is restored - and turned into a truly democratic state - the crime will continue. Two wrongs can never make anything right - whether it is the depopulation (genocide against the First Nations) of the Americas or the attempted genocide of Palestinians - it is still WRONG, criminal, and immoral no matter how many generations suffer under this outrage.
And just WHEN has the US ever been on the side of democracy and freedom anywhere in the world?
A Time-out from Israel's crimes,
To say again that good Jews, those speaking for Peace, are righteous, and personally I love their hearts and souls.
Also, that all countries are born of conquest, stolen land. It is just time for Peace for BOTH Israel & Palestine.
I pray for this. Joe.
The idea of a single, secular binational state in which Jews and Arabs have equal political rights - is exactly the idea behind Liberal Zionism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
As manifested in the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement from 1919.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal-Weizmann_Agreement
There have been many currents within zionism, (I was myself a member of Hashomer Hatzair for a short time in the 50's) but this fact does not have much meaning faced with the murder and death spewed out by something that has risen out of the psychopathological dreams of Theodore Herzl, David ben Gurion and others; an entity that i describe as the "state that hides behind the name "israel", which functions in the jewish world much as a magnet functions in respect to iron filings. and it is that monstrous entity that we, and in effect, the whole human world, must face today.
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Hatred towards Jews came long before Israel, Zionism, Hitler, and imperialism. Blaming Zionism for this hatred is blaming a baby for making its mother. Hatred for Jews is written into the Koran, as is a general disdain for all non-Muslims. I suggest looking up the word dhimmi. I would not like to be a dhimmi. Would you?
What saddens me is that the left, in naivety, actually believes their interests coincide with those of Islamic fundamentalists like Hamas. That feminists would ally with men who commit honor killings and shame raped women into suicide bombings. That believers in religious freedom would ally with those who yearn for a world-wide Islamic state. That lovers of freedom would oppose the only nation in the Middle East with free political speech.
"israeli" free speech:
Israeli soccer matches were suspended during the assault on Gaza. When the games resumed last week, the fans had come up with a new chant: "Why have the schools in Gaza been shut down?" sang the crowd. "Because all the children were gunned down!" came the answer.
Aside from its sheer barbarism, this chant reflects the widespread belief among Israeli Jews that Israel scored an impressive victory in Gaza – a victory measured, not least, by the death toll...
...Every child has a story. A Bedouin friend recently called to tell us about his relatives in Gaza. One cousin allowed her five-year-old daughter to walk to the adjacent house to see whether the neighbours had something left to eat. The girl had been crying from hunger. The moment she began crossing the street a missile exploded nearby and the flying shrapnel killed her. The mother has since been bedridden, weeping and screaming, "I have let my girl die hungry". neve gordon/gael bronner
(neve gordon is a professor at tel aviv u.
Keep repeating the lies often enough and people will believe them. Hitler did that. It worked for him. I've seen this article quoted over and over across the internet. It's all unsubstantiated, with nobody named, no audio, no video, no nothing. It's libel. You are spreading lies.
The MiddleRoad-
You are wrong! A defensive Zionist posted a link I followed and read carefully. It detailed the persecution and expulsion of Jews from about 50 countries over the millenia. Some Islamic but most not. The Zionist was saying "Look, we are persecuted everywhere we go." However I read it like this-We have been thrown out, marginalized and hated wherever we go throughout the millenia. From the ME to Germany. Fro SE Asia to America. Hmmmmmm....well, the only CONSTANT would be the problem. (Try this, if EVERYWHERE you go, you argue and fight w/ people, is 'everybody' else, an a******, or are YOU?)
Islam is not the problem. It never was. Until the Jews wanted Palestine. Now war & hate and collective torture and starvation and mass murder by The Jewish Country....which has hi-jacked Judaism's soul. And brought it into the spotlight, soaked with the blood of Arab children....
So Sad For All, both Arab & Jew, Joe.
" if EVERYWHERE you go, you argue and fight w/ people, is 'everybody' else, an a******, or are YOU?)"
This is EXACTLY how my father answered when I asked him why the Jews had been persecuted during WWII. He said "If everywhere you go, you find you are unwanted - where should you look for the problem? Is it everyone else? Or could it be YOU who are the problem?"
It is also the answer I give to children who ask me about it - and children DO ask me, because they know I treat them as equals (I don't talk down to them, and don't ridicule their questions, or try to embarrass, chastise, or shame them.)
Remember that ship that went from port to port, and no one wanted the Jews, so they ended up back in Germany? Remember how Hitler tried to expel the Jews, just as the Zionists did/are doing to Palestinians, and no country would take them? Do Jews ever ask themselves this question? Or does their mythology preach that such is their lot in life? (I honestly don't know.) What are 'ordinary' (decent) Jews doing today to fight Zionism and the Israeli state? Enough of them are in the media business - after all, some of our most famous (and wealthiest) movie moguls are openly Jewish, and make films about 'the Holocaust' (their version of what happened in Nazi Germany) - so why aren't they making documentaries about the horrors of Zionism and the Israeli-terrorist state? Or do they sympathize with those heinous monsters? (I really find that hard to believe.) I can't imagine that AIPAC is more powerful than all the rest combined - this never made sense. But their SILENCE is staggering, in the face of such heinous atrocities. Many of these people are the children of 'survivors' - so there is no question that they KNOW what is going on, and should have sympathy for the injured party (in this case, the Palestinians). I know that some of my empathy with victims of injustice comes from my own family's horrific experiences with Nazi occupation and those unspeakable 'camps' - my parents still talk about how my mother escaped, and the fate of other family members, even all these years after-the-fact. It's not something one easily forgets... I cannot get over the cloud of terror that still shrouds these courageous people as they speak in whispers of the horrors they endured. It is truly terrifying to see your own family tremble in fear - even after all these years. I can't imagine how anyone who survived - or their children - could ever be silent. Yes, we said 'Never again' - even as Palestinians were being driven out of their homes, sometimes by the very people who had so recently been driven out of THEIR homes by the Nazis.
This isn't about 'security' for Jews - it never was. And it certainly isn't about 'anti-semitism' - a red herring if ever there was one! It's about hatred - and the shame some deranged people feel because they or their families did not fight back, or flee, or do SOMETHING. It's misplaced rage against all those who KNEW what was going on, and stood by and did NOTHING. (There were a lot of people happy to see the Jews hauled away - they even drove off the survivors when the tried to return to their homes and businesses after the end of the war.) It's more like a convoluted 'Stockholm Syndrome' (Strauss suffered from such an affliction) - and it's being hijacked by outright psychopaths who have used 'the Holocaust' to justify their heinous criminal atrocities against a completely innocent people.
Trying to tell future generations that there were 'good Jews' or 'good Israelis' or 'good Zionists' is going to be just as hard as saying there were 'good Germans' or 'good Nazis' during WWII. (I'm afraid the same might be said of 'good Americans' as well, judging by our record throughout history - it was thought that imperialism and fascism died with WWII - but now that is obviously just a fantasy.)
Those of us whose families were decimated by war - both civilians and soldiers alike - do not want war. The rule of law is the ONLY way to end wars - justice must prevail, if our species is to survive. Killing and stealing are two of the most egregious 'wrongs' (or 'sins') that lead to war. This is a common moral/ethical constant throughout human history - killing is wrong; stealing is wrong. We may bicker about everything else, but most (sane) people do agree on these basic principles. Even if we 'justify' killing (in self-defense) or stealing (of necessity) - we still know that these behaviors are wrong - anti-social. This basic premise is the one that can end the chaos, not only in the Middle East, but everywhere else as well. What we all need and want is justice - and that is also an inherent human trait.
You two are blatant Jew-haters. You sit, wrapped in your warped realities, saying that Jews are asshole Nazis, controlling the US government of course, who nobody likes and it's their own damn fault.
I suppose if your child were repeatedly beaten and robbed by gangs at school, it would be their own fault, too. And if they fought back in self defense and won, they would be the aggressor and bully in your eyes.
Antisemitism is no red herring, it stares you in the face every time you look in a mirror, and it stares me in the face every time I look at this cesspool of a "news" site. I suppose you're going to tell me that you have Jewish friends or are Jewish yourself, but, you know, you and your friends are the "good Jews," not those bad ones who wear believe in self-determination.
And as for the "silence" of US politicians, that's just another lie. Plenty are critical, including my own Pete Stark, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton. Most, however, realize that Israel has every right to defend herself from divinely inspired, Jew-hating murderers. They also realize that Israel's restraint puts the actions of every other military in history to shame. Any Arab country would have slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Oh, and nobody would bat an eye because it's just Arabs killing Arabs.
I should mention that Palestinians generally consider women to be second class (can you say "honor killing?"), regularly shoot their political enemies in the knees (freedom of speech!), consider death by murder to be a wonderful way to go (he died while murdering students in a religious school; good for him!), routinely store weaponry in schools (it's not a military target and those aren't secondary explosions!), use children as human shields (they'll be martyred and go to heaven if they die, perhaps to be virgin sex slaves for the other martyrs?), and dance in the streets when Jews die (suicide bombings in night clubs and universities - dead young Jews - hurray!).
Oh, but it's the Jews' fault. Ya know, they "stole" land. Sure, they bought the land we would sell them, and sure, our Arab neighbors invaded to kill them all, and sure, we left our homes voluntarily, and sure, all the talk about rapes and murders were lies, and sure, we were happy to see the invasion, and sure, we're a bunch of welfare queens who yearn more for death than life, and sure, we fire thousands upon thousands of rockets indiscriminately, but I'll tell you what, it's those damn Jews!
Now go be a "good" Jew: get out or die.
Dead skunk in …
re: "the middle road" (probably a computer program):.... we are facing a very dangerous period in world history. There are indeed forces in both the United States and Israel that want a clash of civilizations and are definitely not against further wars, and these forces are powerful. Obviously, the first nation to be affected by implementation of this scenario would be Iran. At this point it is impossible to know whether Obama will want to, or be able to, prevent these forces from dominating future US policies throughout the Middle East.
Bill and Kathleen Christison
I've said this before, but I'll say it again. You can define Zionism any way you want to, it has only meant death and disenfranchisement for Palestinians. It might as well be Manifest Destiny.
Finally, someone with the cajones to spit in the Zionists eye and tell it like it is....
A few readers like slytot7 nailing it on the head, and some like the resident spellchecker Waiguoren forever looking over our collective shoulders to make sure we dot the i's. Get a life Waig.
MiddleRoad-You do realize that Israeli deaths at the hands of Palestinians are quite minimal compared to the Palestinian deaths at the hands of Israelis, right? Palestine is throwing rocks, Israel is firing missles, and the U.S. is arming them.
rocky,
You are correct. Shame on the Jews for not dying in larger numbers. The situation would be much better if more Jews were dead, right? Shame on the Jews for whining about the thousands of rockets launched indiscriminately, constantly terrifying entire cities. Shame on the Jews for protecting their own children. Shame on them for not lovingly accepting the terrorists who, to this very day, are still launching rockets in the hope of killing Jews.
If I have a gun and you have a rock, my military superiority does not eliminate my right to protect myself from you bashing my head in with your rock. I don't have to wait for you to bash my head in after you repeatedly tell me your evil intentions. I don't have to practice Aikido, gently deflecting your blows to avoid hurting you. If I stupidly wait for you to attack, I don't have to put down my gun and pick up a rock to make the fight fair. I have every right to blow your head off.
And if you stand behind your son and daughter while throwing rocks at my head and my son and my daughter, it is still acceptable for me to shoot at you. And if I hit your son or daughter who you hide behind, that is your fault for placing them in harms way and forcing me to defend myself. And if you have trained your son and daughter to throw rocks along with you, it is your fault that I must protect myself from them, and I do not need to respond gently when anybody is trying to kill me and my children. The blood of Palestinian children stains the hands of Palestinians.
D e a d _ S k u n k _ i n … middle of the road
S h a m e _ on you for having no sense of proportionality.
S h a m e _ on you for illegally responding in extreme EXCESS of the irritant
( B T W, that's called a war crime ) .
S h a m e _ on you for illegally waging war on a captive incarcerated people
( that's also called a war crime ) .
S h a m e _ on you for illegal Apartheid blockage and collective punishment
( that's also called a war crime ) .
¿ _ H a v e _ Y o u _ N O _ S H A M E _ ?
Namaste
Proportionality? Person A tries to kill person B; person B tries to kill person A. The methods don't matter. It's proportional.
Rockets aren't irritants. Neither is gunfire or stone throwing. They're all deadly force, and so deadly force is called for in response. If anything, Israeli responses have been measured and calm. Do you doubt for a second that Israel could level Gaza? Israel hasn't; they could, but they haven't. Why? They don't want to kill.
Palestinians have incarcerated themselves with their violence and hatred. Newsflash: Hamas has repeatedly closed the border crossing with Egypt! Check the news. They're doing it to themselves.
Apartheid? I think you need a dictionary. Collective punishment? Civilian Gazans, willingly and at Hamas gunpoint, hide Hamas within their neighborhoods. And apartheid? Don't make me laugh. Israeli Arabs enjoy more rights, social mobility, and economic success than Arabs in any other ME nation. That's why they're so afraid of Lieberman; he actually threatens to kick them out of Israel and make them citizens of a Palestinian state!
I have plenty of shame, of the Jew-hating left.
I have not the least little bit of hate for the Jews of ISRAEL nor of AMERICA.
It is you who is full of
rage,
fear,
hate, and the
distorted perception of escalating revenge for miniscule offenses ( which are themselves war crimes of Palestine toward their Israeli captors )
¿ Do you have the brains to count the number of dead and wounded, of either side, and determine the ratio of proportionality ?
As far as "Palestinians have incarcerated themselves", you might as well as say that Jews in WWII did the same by boarding those trains on their own legs ( and fighting against the brown shirts ) -- for what truth there is in that.
Ahh, the old "Jews are Nazis" smear. Nice way to slide it in sideways.
Jews were forced onto trains during WWII at gun point and taken to concentration camps where they were murdered in gas chambers or forced into slavery and experimented on.
Yes, I expect some Arabs were forcibly removed, some tiny fraction. The vast majority were ordered out of their towns by Arab governments, left on their own accord to come back after the Jews were slaughtered, and were scared away by libelous lies from the same governments about rape and murders that never happened. Those lies have become Arab dogma.
If the Jews had any resemblance to the Nazis, any at all, there would be no Israeli Arabs. There would be no Israeli Arabs with votes and land and jobs. The whole Arab story is a big, fat lie that you worship.
You have no proportion, common sense, nor morality.
No one wants child murderers and rapists for neighbors -- perhaps you've sealed your own fate with your own acts ?
Try to smile, try to change -- I dare you.
You ignore what I say and just attack. How about you discuss the issue? Are you saying that Jews are child murderers and rapists, so the Arabs were right to run?
I see nothing to smile about in what you say.
And all of you, with your hypocritical viewpoint that the Jews should take all the burden for the suffering of the "refugees", should be ashamed of yourselves. That blindness and focus on the Jews is as being at fault lies in the heart of your antisemitism. Arab governments across the region deny citizenship so as to keep the "refugee" problem alive. They are not the victims of Israel, they are the victims of Arabs in power and their own self-perpetuating hatred.
Did not Hamas close the Rafah crossing multiple times in the past month?
When being attack is on your mind -- anything and everything is seen as an attack.
I am saddened by the depth of your pain and hurt, that enables such anti-social and aberrant behavior.
¿ Perhaps you do need a God that Loves you, more than you can ever understand ?
Namaste
Oh, nice Aikido. Yes, npwr, calling Jews Nazis, saying I have no common sense, etc. etc., those are attacks. Perhaps you need a dictionary? You can spout hypocritical namastes all day long, but you're still spouting aggressive and vile lies.
Not that I don't understand why. Suffering is a horrible thing. I'm sure you feel for it and want it to end. However, you need to look a bit outside of yourself and your own narrow point of view. National suicide is just not going to happen for Israel. Suicide is glorified in Islam, not Judaism.
NOT nice attempt at twisting my words -- you racist
I never said anything close to "npwr, calling Jews Nazis", as anyone with a kindergarden level education could distinguish :
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npwr.luv March 20th, 2009 12:18 pm
I have not the least little bit of hate for the Jews of ISRAEL nor of AMERICA.
As far as [ your saying that ] "Palestinians have incarcerated themselves", you might as well as say that Jews in WWII did the same by boarding those trains on their own legs ( and fighting against the brown shirts ) -- for what truth there is in that.
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¿ So please do explain EXACTLY what "spouting [ of ] aggressive and vile lies" have I communicated ?
N A M A S T E
You compared Jews going to the slaughterhouse to Arabs going to Gaza. Nazi's put Jews on the trains so clearly, in your comparison, Jews are the ones putting the Arabs into Gaza. That just isn't true. They fled to Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt under their own power, not gun point. They were not slaughtered when they got there, expect by Jordan. Those who stayed behind were not slaughtered. The comparison is false and hateful. Shame on you for making it.
You also talk about how the conflict would be better if Arabs had more and better weaponry. Essentially you're saying that, with more dead Jews, the conflict will be better. This is evil and vile. It's also false. The more Palestinians have armed themselves, the more they have used their weapons on civilian Jews and on each other, the worse their long term prospects have become. And every time the Jews gave an olive branch, like pulling out of Gaza, the Arabs responded by saying, "See, we can completely defeat them for they are weak." Their mindset is, "Win no matter what. The ends justify the means." It is impossible to make peace with enemies who hold that mindset.
You say over and over that you have no hate and yet you spout horrible nonsense. You're either delusional or lying.
It's your own ƒ ⊃ © k i n g words, you fool, that I was responding to.
You started this shit swinging with :
"Palestinians have incarcerated themselves"
Namaste
P . S .
I added a new posting at the top, just in remembrance of you
alwaysamazed
Perhaps you might seek the guidance of
Rabbi David Weiss