When is CD going to post articles on the Democratic Republic of Congo? The most deadly, most atrocious to women conflict on earth.

Isabel Hilton: "It is hard to imagine that China would ever give up its hold on Tibet: all the more reason, then, to seek a political way ahead."

Contrary to the quotation from Isabel Hilton above, many politicians in the capitals of the West seem to think this is imminent, the virtual independence of Tibet, that is. There is a long history of the West's involvement in the separatist movement in Tibet going all the way to the Nineteenth Century.

Whatever political solution China has for this province will not include providing opportunity for a "colour revolution". And it will be done at the lowest cost possible for China and for the Tibetans, for the present or for the future. This propaganda piece seems to be in line with the recent propaganda accusing China of practising colonialism in Africa in her relations with the countries there.

While President Sarkozy may lament the loss of the French colonies but trying to dislodge a piece of Chinese territory, Tibet, (or a Chinese colony if that is the way Isabel likes to call it), is not going to do much to slow down China's growing influence in Africa at the expense of the French interests there. Same goes for the other Western powers.

Which is worse, left wing conservatives or right wing conservatives?

"nakli March 10th, 2009 12:18 pm

Isabel Hilton: "It is hard to imagine that China would ever give up its hold on Tibet: all the more reason, then, to seek a political way ahead."

Contrary to the quotation from Isabel Hilton above, many politicians in the capitals of the West seem to think this is imminent, the virtual independence of Tibet, that is. There is a long history of the West's involvement in the separatist movement in Tibet going all the way to the Nineteenth Century."

I WASN'T aware that the history dated back to the 19th century, but knew it dated to at least around 1950 and that the U.S. CIA and the U.S. State Dept's N.E.D. have been quite or very involved, in part overtly on the part of the NED, but also covertly in the ... dark respects that it operates in or with, well, that they and therefore the imperialist, ... USA, have been involved there plenty; and for [only] imperialist, ..., purposes. And I suspect that they may have had much to do with orchestrating the violence that caused the relatively short crisis there during the same days that the 'Winter Soldiers' event of testimonies against the Iraq war, and possibly the war on Afghanistan, were being presented by IVAW in the U.S. and which the U.S. msm "news" media like totally disregarded; while of course not having been ignorant of the WS event, but instead pumped out a lot of propagandist "news" about the crisis in Tibet, which the U.S. or West totally blamed on the government of the PRC. In typical imperialist, colonialist, ... fashion!

Yes, unrelated co-incidences happen, but this "Tibet vs WS testimonies" case was (and remains) very suspect. If or when we have become aware of how the U.S. really operates, then these types of co-incidences really don't seem to be unrelated. It's too likely that they are related.

nakli:

"... This propaganda piece seems to be in line with the recent propaganda accusing China of practising colonialism in Africa in her relations with the countries there."

Articles by Keith Harmon Snow, whose website is www.allthingspass.com and which mainly focuses on Africa, and possibly some articles by other people I read at www.globalresearch.ca, reported that China was actually offering real and rather generous business deals with African governments that would "spine up" against imperialist USA and West; offering wholly fair deals with the governments and pouring money into African communities that were seriously in need of aid as an extra bonus, or incentive.

I don't see why China would be dealing badly in Congo, while dealing well and minimally fairly with other African countries.

nakli:

"While President Sarkozy may lament the loss of the French colonies but trying to dislodge a piece of Chinese territory, Tibet, (...), is not going to do much to slow down China's growing influence in Africa at the expense of the French interests there. Same goes for the other Western powers."

So, seems Sarkozy would be working for the "interests" of French corporations, but given how much he is buddy-buddy with the USA I suppose he's also working for U.S. corporations; simultaneously working to serve two "masters" at once.

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"glenn ford March 10th, 2009 10:40 am

When is CD going to post articles on the Democratic Republic of Congo? The most deadly, most atrocious to women conflict on earth."

INDEED!

The following article is primarily about the present situation in Sudan, but also refers to the situation in the DR Congo, including a link for a prior article by Keith Snow and either wholly or else very much about what's been long going on in the DR Congo; the major kind of holocausting there. And much of what he says in the following article about what's going on and has been going on for some years in Sudan applies to or in other African countries. The methods of the imperialist powers of the West are evidently quite constant; including globally. Economic hit men, followed by CIA covert op's, followed by military ... war!

"Africom’s Covert War in Sudan",

by Keith Harmon Snow, March 6, 2009

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/africoms-covert-war-in-sudan

In that page, a response of his to a reader provides a link to a Jan. 23rd article by him and much enough about the situation in the DR Congo. He also recommends some books. And there are possibly some links to related articles by other authors posted by readers of the above article, or those for which links are provided by him or readers in the above page.

I don't know if glen ford, here, is the same as the executive editor of BAR, but there are articles there, www.blackAgendaReport.com , on Africa and BAR seems like a certainly good U.S. website from what I've read of its contents.

Keith Snow has recommended http://www.friendsofthecongo.org and I believe also www.congoVision.com . The latter's homepage loads automatically in French for me, but I'm in Quebec, Canada, so maybe it'll load in English for people in the rest of North America. If not, then there's a link for the English content, and there's also radio over Internet that seems to be like live-streaming radio.

I can see us writing about, focusing on Palestine and the supreme international crimes committed against it, but while also keeping focus on the situation in the DR Congo and some other African countries. With AFRICOM (and its union with the AU), the West is really pushing to take over like evidently [all] of Africa; or all parts of it that would be profitable to control, dominate, anyway.

But Tibet, where there's no supreme international crime being committed, certainly no genocide? Knowing about the imperialist West's scheming (covertly) over there is of importance, but taking a "Save Darfur" sort of approach is one to avoid, for like the "Save Darfur" campaign, the "Free Tibet" one is also full of deceitful propaganda, although many of the proponents are believers and just fooled by the leaders due to being naive, perhaps bigotted, etcetera.

More articles on DR Congo in the following post.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/03/06-5#comment-1154240

People expect the Congo to be barbaric. That's why you never hear about it.
Oh, its Africa.

Offensive? Yes, but that's how the media looks at it.

Tibet is seen as a cultured Shangra la with celebrity supporters and China is a country with too many people and big appetites for a western lifestyle.

US interference in Tibet does not change the fact that China is a disease in Tibet.
It has ravaged the place.

It claims it has made improvements but really, do we all want to adopt Chinese sanitation standards?

I know they dont do foot binding anymore(we hope), and maybe they will come around about dumping unwanted girls in orphanages or sticking handicapped people in backrooms so as to avoid embarassment.
They have a city with such bad coal pollution that no plants grow there.

Quandong province is a cesspool of disease(Sars, bird flu) thanks to the "we'll eat everything" dietary habits.
When Chinese decide they want a shark fin in their soup as a decoration to impress their equally shallow neighbors, oceans die.

There's a cloud of toxic air over china.

If you protest in China you may get arrested or have your back broken(or end up executed and as an organ donor).
Yep, that's the type of lifestyle Tibet needs.

When the Dalai lama made a speech about being kind to animals, China made its Tibetan newscasters wear fur on the air.

So yes, I dont like western interference in Tibet, but that doesnt make China less guilty for turning it into a garbage dump like it has with parts of its own country(to say nothing of how the Han Chinese are seen as superior to other ethnic groups inside China).
Whether Tibet was ever part of China is irrelevant, the culture there is not chinese.

China is a trouble maker like any other large country. It just doesnt make a lot of speeches and cares nothing about social causes outside(or inside) its own country.
That's not necessarily a model to follow if you despise the US for its hypocrisy.

Oh and China buys seal penises from Canada so it can help with its impotency problems.

Who would have thunk?

"Webber March 10th, 2009 2:19 pm

People expect the Congo to be barbaric. That's why you never hear about it.
Oh, its Africa.

Offensive? Yes, but that's how the media looks at it."

I DOUBT that it's really how they look at it and what really drives the U.S. or Western "news" media about Africa is much better and extensively explained by people like Keith Harmon Snow. There's an article of his linked in my prior post in this page at CD and I seriously recommend that people read the article and more from him. Do that and you'll have a much clearer idea of why the U.S. msm "news" media is as it is about Africa. There's much the West has been long doing there and which has been long and grotesquely underreported, very much un-reported by U.S. msm "news" media.

Webber:

"US interference in Tibet does not change the fact that China is a disease in Tibet.
It has ravaged the place.

It claims it has made improvements but really, do we all want to adopt Chinese sanitation standards?

I know they dont do foot binding anymore(we hope), and maybe they will come around about dumping unwanted girls in orphanages or sticking handicapped people in backrooms so as to avoid embarassment.
They have a city with such bad coal pollution that no plants grow there."

Talking about toxic pollution, take a good hard look at the USA's extreme toxic pollution. Consider that fish from the Hudson River, Long Island Sound, the Missippi River and delta, and much more is far from safe for consumption by humans and also other animals. Consider the major acid rain that was caused by the major polluters in the USA. The acid rains affected the Northeast to deadly levels, killing off [all] life in plenty of waters, including all the way up to northern Quebec and eastern Ontario. Those are only some examples regarding the extreme pollution from the USA in North America. You can add radiologically poisoning much or all of Iraq and that this will spread to neighbouring countries, and the U.S. caused the same in the Balkans and in Afghanistan. From what I've read, only the U.S., Israel, and Britain radiologically poison countries with their wars, which are more deadly than what China needs to stop doing, and given the U.S. was capable of finally reducing acid rain production, China will also be able to eventually curb its toxic air pollution.

As for Tibetans, they're better treated by the government of the PRC than many Chinese are, but there's very little word in the West about this. Yet the U.S., U.K., European countries and Israel are far worse with their extreme supreme international crimes and aiming for full spectrum dominance globally and in all profitable respects. China doesn't commit genocides in Africa to do business with governments there, but the U.S. et al [do].

The "Free Tibet" crowd among Americans of the USA are damn hypocrites if they don't first free the American Indians and provide them with all of the compensation that is owed to them, but these so-called human rights activists rarely want to take the logs out of their eyes. They're hypocritically selective about the issues they'll be active about; all too often being this way anyway.

The U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world and a high percentage of the incarcerated committed no violent acts to be sentenced to many years of prison. China surely doesn't incarcerate people for 25 years over mere matters like marijuana, but the U.S. has such laws, all while knowingly harboring real terrorists who the U.S. protects from extradition so that these terrorists can finally be tried and sentenced as should have happened long ago.

The U.S. is about [wars] of aggression on others for their natural resources. China does real business in Africa, doesn't war on other countries.

Tally everything up on both sides and Webber's post about China tells some truths, like about the toxic pollution problem, but the U.S. is worse! And given the size of China, it can't provide police security all over the country, and when police forces have been sent in to localities where there are manufacturers brutally working to profit from Wal-Mart, the police are attacked by mad, violent, ... groups of thugs numerous enough to make it exttremely difficult for security measures to be applied and especially maintained.

China's increasing capitalism is also very much due to the West, Western corporations, business, so the West is not innocent in this regard, either.

Human rights? The U.S. is certainly no better than China, which is actually better than the U.S. If that's true only when considering that the U.S. commits wars of blatant aggression, including the covert ones, and overthrows good governments to replace them with despotic, etcetera, governments, and when overthrowing or managing to have replaced doesn't work without killing, then the U.S. resorts to the terminal assassinations technique; China doesn't do these things, doesn't commit such criminality!

So, if you want to be really honest monsieur Americano of the USA, then tally up all of the pros and cons for both countries and I mean [all] of the pros and cons. Otherwise you will present a biased, propagandist, ... description.

The article concludes with:

"But instead of showing flexibility, or even a willingness to learn from failure, the Chinese approach grows increasingly - and destructively - dogmatic. It is hard to imagine that China would ever give up its hold on Tibet: all the more reason, then, to seek a political way ahead."

NOW, substitute all parts of continental USA that really are [sovereign] American land, as well as all other so-called U.S. territories (Hawaii and Puerto Rico anyway), for Tibet, and the rest of the USA (which is then little) for China (or the U.S. government for the Chinese government), and you have what for result? You then have the very same sort of picture as the above quoted paragraph from the article; only, U.S. history, definitely including history that's been recently made and that which is in the making, well, and the U.S. is probably far worse, as we can learn from the following extensive essay by Wade Frazier.

"The American Empire"

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm

As well as his essay "Lies I Was Raised With"

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm

And you might include another of his extensive essays, "The Business of War", which is linked in his homepage, as are also the above two essays.

These three essays of his are mostly about history past, but that also and tragically reflects the continuing character of the USA, as well as of other western imperialist, ... governments and ruling elites; and he also includes some notes for contemporary updates.

When Westerners start to seriously remove the LOGS from their eyes and speak truthfully, instead of representing hypocritical, hegemonic, ... reign, let me know. I'm not expecting to ever awaken on such a day, but if it does happen to occur, then ring all bells in North America and this should alert me well enough.

MikeCorbeil

“As for Tibetans, they're better treated by the government of the PRC than many Chinese are, but there's very little word in the West about this.”

Is your point in fact that all is well and good in Tibet and the reported killings, arrests and disappearances of monks and activists are all exaggerated, and part of the CIA and western interferers backed propaganda campaign, to support the neo-colonialist imperialists?

Are you telling us too that China’s administration, encouraging relocation of Han Chinese to Tibet, forced sterilization of Tibetans, and refusal to allow journalists to report from Tibet, is in the best interest of the Tibetan people?

As propaganda goes, you sound like a mouth peace towing the line the PRC central committee, or whatever. Please state what interests you have with the PRC, to clarify your position because you don’t come across as impartial at all.

I don’t know where you get your info from. I certainly have learned to take everything with a pinch of salt, but I prefer to believe what the Tibetans themselves have to say about their own home, what they experienced and their interests in self determination, be it as an actual autonomous region of China or as an independent state. Whatever it becomes it should be up to the Tibetans and with the cooperation and support of the Chinese government based on mutual respect and agreements rather than the force of China’s military presence. Don’t you think?

Many Chinese people that I've met repeat the official position that the Chinese government has carried out so much development in Tibet, and that the one-child policy is relaxed for Tibetans, etc. But my question is this: why is that the people of Tibet feel that they would rather be free and less developed, or even poor, than be under a smothering system that wants to wipe away any separate identity and culture? Let's face it - Tibet has hardly any natural resources (which would also explain the West's hands-off approach), pretty much cut off from the rest of the world, and has little chance of reaching any sort of comparable levels of modernity or development on its own. You would think that a poor country and its people would somehow welcome the prospect of being integrated within another large, dynamic economy of an emerging superpower (like so many European countries are clamouring for inclusion in the EU, and even in NATO). But the Tibetan people want none of that! They just want to be left alone, so they can go about their life, with their prayers, chanting, meditations and what have you! Instead, what they see is a steady colonization by 'outsiders', a steady smothering and gradual obliteration of their culture and their way of life, and enormous pressure to 'integrate'.

From my blog post:
Burma, Tibet, China and the charade of 'promoting freedom and democracy'
http://highintel.com/content/burma-tibet-china-and-charade-promoting-freedom-and-democracy
If above link doesn't work use:
http://tinyurl.com/codukf

Hey !!! what about us Native American Nations where is our land??

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Shit !!!! the Chineese must have taken it too.

hey!!! What happened to the Australian thousand of small nations
Tasmanians, Caribbean Arawak,and Carib peoples
Yep the Chinese people whipped them all from the face of the earth, those wicked yellow perils should be made to pay for their sins
And that is not eve half of the atrocities they are remembered for around the world
Yep Chinese people are evil

Here is an article that rips the mask off of the so-called "free Tibet movement" to reveal its true reactionary nature:

http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=8845&news_iv_ctrl=
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"Many U.S. progressives and liberals are supporting the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan opposition to the People’s Republic of China. So are George W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh, the CIA, and every pro-imperialist government and media outlet. The vast majority of the peoples of China, including many in Tibet, oppose the U.S.-supported separatist movement.

How could progressive people be on the same side as Bush, the CIA and the ultra-right? How do we explain the paradox of progressive people supporting a movement that is financed and supported by the proponents of the U.S. empire, as well as by all the other old European colonial powers that divided, humiliated and looted China for a full century prior to the 1949 revolution?

This riddle is solved by appreciating the impact of the effective CIA propaganda supporting the Dalai Lama and the old Tibetan ruling class, which lost its power, privileges, serfs and slaves because of the Chinese Revolution. This propaganda is echoed in the Western media constantly and has affected liberal public opinion.

The National Endowment for Democracy funds the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan opposition. It also funds or funded the pro-U.S. opposition to Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez, the fascist opposition to former Haitian president Jean-Bertrand Aristide and the opposition to the Cuban Revolution. The NED also funded Ronald Reagan’s contra war against the Sandinistas in Nicaragua.

From 1995 to 2005, the NED gave $2,047,479 to opposition Tibetan publications, radio stations, organizations and other institutes.

The Dalai Lama has a long history of working closely with the U.S. government. In fact, he and his supporters have been on the CIA payroll since the 1950s.

The International Campaign for Tibet, the Tibet Fund, the Tibet Voice Project, the Tibet Information Network, the Tibetan Literary Society, the Tibetan Review Trust Society and the Voice of Tibet all advance the progressive-sounding call for a "Free Tibet." They are all funded by the NED, which is itself funded by the U.S. State Department and the CIA.

According to historian Allen Weinstein, "A lot of what [the NED does] today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA." Weinstein helped draft the legislation that created the NED. (1)

Many progressives in the United States believe that Tibet is severely oppressed by the government of the People’s Republic of China. They have been convinced that the Dalai Lama is a man of peace who has been ruthlessly suppressed by China, and that he has the allegiance of nearly all Tibetans. Most of these individuals sincerely believe in the right of self-determination and believe that the People’s Republic of China has violated this right.

Among this sector of liberal and progressive opinion, the reflex to any struggle between China and what they perceive to be the Tibetan people as a whole is to express profound solidarity with those they consider to be the oppressed. But this view obscures the essential social and class dynamic in Tibet. Influenced by a false conception, people who should know better lose their critical faculties.

Knowing that George W. Bush is an imperialist criminal, one must pause and ponder the question: Why did Bush award the Congressional Gold Medal to the Dalai Lama in a highly publicized White House ceremony in 2007? Bush would never conduct such a ceremony for a genuinely progressive person. Bush views the Dalai Lama in much the same way he viewed Ahmed Chalabi before the invasion of Iraq—as a useful tool for the U.S. empire."

martingale ,

Very good post. I'm not very familiar with the topic, but have read from a few evidently reputable authors on the topic and at least enough of what you wrote is information I was therefore familiar with; but I also certainly acquired new (for me) information from your post.

However, you wrote as if the Dalai Lama is still, to this day, on the payroll of the CIA and I had read from the others that he ceased being on this payroll back in what I believe to recall was the 1970's. If the latter's true, that he hasn't been on the payroll for some decades anyway, then this certainly doesn't mean that he's ceased working for the "elites" of the imperialist USA, for he rather clearly does continue doing this. It seems rather evident that there's continuation, alright; just that it'd perhaps be with some different people in or parts of the U.S. government working for the same "interests" as before.

That much clearly hasn't ceased, and it all fits with the agenda, a quite official one, of the U.S. government and known as the "full spectrum dominance" project. It's a globally spanning project, involving Tibet, thus being against China or the government of the PRC; is related to the wars on Iraq and Afghanistan, and the U.S. (and NATO) military build-up in Eastern Europe and in former USSR republics or states, whatever they were called; and, among other places, is related to the U.S. in African countries.

Tom Eley provides a short article with the following piece, but he succinctly states what many enough writers, analysts, and investigators (f.e., Keith Harmon Snow) also describe about what's really going on in troubled African countries. U.S. imperialism, capitalism (run amok), etcetera.

"The war crimes indictment against Sudanese President Bashir",
by Tom Eley, wsws.org, Mar 10 2009

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12643

BTW, he concludes that article in saying that the Obama administration evidently is escalating U.S. imperialism in Sudan and is therefore not going to act in truly legal and ethical terms about the very bogus indictment of President al-Bashir. Some high-ranking U.S. military officer has spoken of the U.S. imposing a no-fly zone over Sudan and that this may be used as the U.S. did in the past, like in Iraq, for bombing "missions". That [is] of the full spectrum dominance thematic or project; as of course also is the whole concept of implementing, imposing the USA's AFRICOM on Africa.

These are all different parts or regions of Earth, but what the U.S. is doing is of the same theme ... globally. The case of Tibet doesn't include U.S. military warfare, but that also wouldn't be really possible to do without China, or the government of the PRC, reacting and very strongly. So a softer approach is strategically required.

And it all of course fits with what John Perkins, author of "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man", says about the U.S. first sending in economic hit men and if they fail, then the U.S. sends in operatives like of the CIA and/or N.E.D. And when both of those "efforts" fail, then there's the "last" resort of miltiary warfare, that is, war of aggression, aka war against peace, which of course is war against justice; since peace and justice rather go hand-in-hand, not being able to have one without also having the other. We certainly cannot have either to any really significant extent without also having the other, anyway. "No peace? No justice! No justice? No peace!".

"spuds March 10th, 2009 7:53 pm"

You're just another ass who's clearly for using weak propagandism to push for western imperialism and the USA's full spectrum dominance project which is aimed at dominating humanity globally. How's that for an accurate description of you?!

Blind allegiance to one's ideology, almost bordering on tribalism, is apparently not limited to right-wing nuts. A general hatred for capitalism and a mindless allegiance to anyone or any group or any country that professes to be socialist or communist is probably what is making some here to support China's claim on Tibet. I have seen this behavior elsewhere - people, newspaper and magazines who are quite progressive otherwise, and take up issues of equity and social justice as a mission, are found blinded by their loyalty to China - they don't want to lose their only 'beacon of hope'. This loyalty blinds them to the reality in Tibet - and worse, prevents them from seeing Tibetans as people first, instead of 'subjects' of an empire, however benign this empire may be in their minds. They fail to ask themselves - was the so-called cultural revolution worth all the destruction that took place in Tibet? Did the Tibetan people ask for this 'revolution'? Or, today, do they want this 'modernity' and 'prosperity' that is shoved down their throats? Why is that the majority Buddhist population there would rather remain poor, but be free to practice their religion and way of life, rather than violently integrated into a behemoth? Could China's claim have anything to do with their desperate need for more land? As much land as they can get? Is it possible that the Chinese communist party is not really communist or socialist? Could it be that they are just power-hungry nationalists? And how far back does one go in making historical claims? Based on what? Alas, these questions will never be asked by some. It's all or nothing when it comes to capitalism vs. 'communism'.