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A Risk Big Oil Companies Can Afford to Share
In his 2010 budget, President Obama wants $31.5 billion from oil companies over the next 10 years with new taxes and by closing tax loopholes. This is a mere $3.15 billion a year, but the oil execs still say Obama is the creature stealing their black lagoon.
"With America in the midst of an economic recession, now is not the time to impose new taxes on the nation's oil and gas industry," said American Petroleum Institute president Jack Gerard in a statement. "New taxes could mean fewer American jobs and less revenue at a time when we desperately need both."
The Independent Petroleum Association of America is throwing out every disaster scenario possible. A fact sheet says Obama's plan would "crush America's clean energy and energy security . . . strip essential capital from new American natural gas and oil investment . . . (and) could cripple the American producers." IPAA president Barry Russell called Obama's proposals "a devastating blow." IPAA vice chairman Bruce Vincent told the Dallas Morning News, "I am just absolutely flabbergasted. It's like putting a dagger in the heart of the oil and gas industry in America. If you actually did all these things, it would kill the industry."
Americans should be flabbergasted that the industry most in the
black has the nerve to cry as millions of Americans are seeing pink and
sinking into the red. Obama's proposal, if anything, is relatively
modest. ExxonMobil alone set a new annual record for profits last year,
at $45 billion. Chevron made a record $24 billion. Royal Dutch Shell
made $26 billion.
In some ways, it is just fine that the industry whines like
The industry did not get its preferred candidate for the White House, having given $2.3 million in campaign cash to the losing John McCain, compared with under $1 million for Barack Obama. But its tentacles are already reaching out to every Democrat in an energy-rich state to get them to dissuade Obama from his tax plan. This does not even get to all those cute ads that Big Oil places in major newspapers to convince us how urgently they are helping us move toward clean energy.
Tillerson, in an interview on Fox News, cried like nearly-bankrupt General Motors about his $45 billion in profits. He said that outrage about oil profits illustrates "a lack of understanding by many policy-makers and the public at large over the risk-reward balance . . . this is a high-risk business. And we experience a lot of failures." What Tillerson did not say is that the risk has always been paid for by the people at the pump. With the people in pain, all Obama is asking now is for Big Oil to truly share the risk.
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23 Comments so far
Show AllPerhaps because "the concept" simply isn't true.
>>No, it most certainly is. A point comes where the tax becomes so high it raises the price so much that sales begin to drop off the table of course. The business will pass the extra tax on in the price until it starts to destroy sales. At that point they indeed will eat the tax out of their profits, until the profits drop to a point they just go out of business
Ok so let me get this straight. Corporations paid a much higher tax rate from 1940 onwards to the early 1980's. Is it your claim they were not profitable and that it was simply the consumer paying the extra costs?
try this on for size.
When wages are taxed at an ever higher rate people start to CONSUME less. When they consume less The Corporations make less PROFITS given the consumer economy is over 70 percent of the GDP.
I would point out that Exxon had record profits last year and the year before , these gains far in excess of the wage gains made by the Worker. In any system that has a Government that funds its operations via taxation, it seems reasonable those best able to pay a higher tax are the ones that pay that higher tax.
Exxon and others already get a FREE ride via the tax payer dollar as the US MIlitary is used to create markets for them and steal resources of other nations on their behalf. If they will not pay more taxes and feel it unfair to do so and or will not take less in the way of profits choosing instead to pass those costs onto the consumer via higher prices so as to keep profits high, then they should be nationalized.
So let me get this straight. You're ok that BIG OIL wastes more money lobbying, sleazy misleading advertizing, overcharging consumers, and even wasting more taxpayer money evading their duty of paying their fair share of taxes but you somehow have a problem with their paying their taxes? And FYI, if you had even paid any attention, you would have realized that Big Oil never wanted to pass its savings to consumers. Right now, the only reason oil prices are at $2/gallon is they're bloody scared of the economic damage they've done but they're currently slowly upping it back up and then of course there's Peak Oil. With fools like you on Main Street killing Main Street, it's no wonder Wall $treet can treat Main Street like a punchbag. Oh by the way, we're borrowing from China to fatten up Big Oil's coffers.
"You're ok that BIG OIL wastes more money lobbying, sleazy misleading advertizing, overcharging consumers, and even wasting more taxpayer money evading their duty of paying their fair share of taxes"
Way to beat up those straw men! Multiple "attackers", nice.
You think they just eat it? It's an arbitrary increase in their costs. How would that *not* put upward pressure on the consumer price?
No, they reinvest it back into the business to avoid the additional taxes. This is how raising taxes actually creates jobs, by stimulating re-investment. Lowering taxes encourages cashing out rather than re-investing, and leads to eventual job losses.
"No, they reinvest it back into the business to avoid the additional taxes. "
By "it" I meant additional taxes, sorry if I was not clear. How do you reinvest additional taxes? You have to *pay* them, you can't reinvest a cost.
Duh, taxes are paid on business *profits*.
Lots of ways to adjust profits downwards, principally by re-investing in the business.
Btw, this is also why lowering taxes on employees reduces their wages over time, as business recoups that additional amount that was previously absorbed as taxes (in this case before the employee has any chance to adjust his total income) through wage reductions, or more likely, by lower colas over a period of years.
After all, the employer knows what the employee is willing to work for (what he is taking home after taxes are withheld), and will reduce those wages to that level over time if employee taxes are lowered.
"Lots of ways to adjust profits downwards, principally by re-investing in the business."
This can be done with respect to any expenses, taxes or not. This has nothing to do with additional taxes as additional expense, no different from additional expemces when, say, the oil we are using is increasingly harder to get to.
"After all, the employer knows what the employee is willing to work for (what he is taking home after taxes are withheld), and will reduce those wages to that level over time if employee taxes are lowered."
This assumes that employees aren't smart enough to know that such lowered taxes are across the board, i.e., apply also to other companies who may also utilize their skills. When it comes to the competitive market for those jobs, this fact removes any downward pressure on the takehome pay that you suggest. Duh.
Taxes on business are "passed on to the consumer" which interferes with their being passed on to senior executives in the form of unearned, undeserved b.s. bonuses.
Tn 9:12 ---- If what you say is true.
Then you will have no problem whatsoever with my suggestion of removing all taxes from the lower 95% of the population and only Tax corporations.
According to you the poor are just going to pay it anyway.
Oil companies are reaping OBSCENE profits, tens of billions of $$$ EVERY quarter.
Impose a windfall profits tax once again. It was done before and these same corporations hardly went bankrupt then.
Whenever I hear the oil companies whining about wanting to be taxed, I am reminded of an old movie called, I think, "Volunteers" with Tom Hanks and John Candy where Hanks plays a snooty supercilious rich guy who volunteers for the Peace Corps to escape from gambling debts and he says, "It's not that I can't help these people, I don't WANT to!"
I say let the oil companies bail out the auto industry. Both industries are trying to keep us in the dark ages with regard to energy use. They can feed on each other.
JaneM
I strongly agree. Let's see what rightwingers such as "tnmoderate" have to say to that excellent idea. And while we're at it, let's unite and overturn the ban on hemp and allow algae for oil a chance at the market. Fossil fuels will lose big time when the market is finally unrigged.
The oil companies can do better than that. Let them pay for the wars. I think it is about a wash.
If medicine can be socialized because it is so important, why can't oil companies and GM be socialized? Aren't they as important?
Big Oil is not only a weasel but a terrorist organization that makes even Al Quaida "tame as a cat". The only fools who'd defend Big Oil are the same ones who want our young sons and daughters to lose their lives just to prop up your crummy life styles and your gas guzzlers !
Pre 1960's or possibly, later anybody in the USA making over, I believe it was $100,000 per annum was taxed 90%, things did not fall apart then.
A reduction in the power of the oil companies can only be good.
Here's a thought. Get rid of all the subsidies instead and take fair royalties. Think about turning the corporate income tax into a flat tax on gross revenue. Instantly get rid of all corporate subsidies and this nonsensical gov't "incentivizing" which is the incentive for serious lobbying money. You'd also get rid of tax lobbyists and tax attorneys. Businesses should spend money because it's the right business decision, not because some Congressional committee thinks it's a good idea. The way they just banned sale of children's used toys, books and clothes because the places that sell those things can't afford the new lead test for all those items.
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The oil industry is full of people who are either stupid or lying.