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Obama: Clinton or FDR?
After Obama's big speech to the joint session of Congress, David Gergen made the over-the-moon observation on CNN that the first half of the speech sounded like FDR, and the second half sounded like LBJ.
I didn't hear it that way.
In fact, in the second half of his speech, I noticed that Obama suddenly morphed into Bill Clinton. It was when he started talking about personal responsibility, waving his finger in the air, the way Clinton used to. I don't mind the occassional exhortation to be a good parent, or the argument that consumer debt is a widespread disease that helped contribute to the economic collapse. But it is ridiculous to make it sound like the working poor who signed up for balloon mortgages, or the high school dropouts Obama said are not only failing themselves but also failing their country (to a massive standing ovation from Congress) are just as responsible for our current fix as Wall Street bankers who exploited loose regulation and are now paying themselves bonuses and doling out divideds to shareholders with government bailout money.
The new Obama Administration slogan for the financial crisis: "It's not about helping banks. It's about helping people," is not particularly heartwarming, either. It sounds a little like the NRA slogan. Which people are we talking about, anyway?
Obama alluded to the disillusionment about the bailout. But the way he described it, it seemed that the bailout, while flawed, was necessary-not a boondoggle for Wall Street funded by the taxpayers. If Gergen heard FDR in Obama's references to the GI Bill and the public school system and other examples of things the government has done right, he forgot that FDR also stood firmly on the side of ordinary wage-earners, and attacked Wall Street's greed.
Just seeing the Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner was enough to remind you that change only goes so far.
There were some bright spots, of course. The gee-whiz factor has not worn off the Obama Presidency yet. Just seeing him take the podium, flanked by Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi, and seeing the sour Republicans reduced to a minority, was cheering. So was the showcasing of the brilliant and down-to-earth Michelle Obama, hugging the little girl who wrote about her flood-damaged school. The Obamas inspire just by standing there. We're a long, long way from the Bushes.
Most of all, the turning away from the war in Iraq, and Obama's promise to save money by getting out of that useless war, and by cutting Cold War relics like Star Wars out of the defense budget, was mighty encouraging. Obama's slaps at Bush for Guantanamo, his pledge that the United States can now pledge that we don't torture, his commitment to invest in education, health care, and alternative energy as the top priorities in his budget, were salutory.
But again, Bill Clinton hovers like an eminence grise over all these areas. While Obama projects an image of America that draws on the best parts of its history: especially the New Deal and Great Society, it's not clear that he is proposing anything remotely that ambitious. The TARP investments he touted are worthy. But 3.5 million new jobs doesn't sound like such a big number anymore, sadly. Nor does $2500 for college. "This is America. We don't do what's easy, but what's necessary," he said. Good turn of phrase. But it turns out to be a rather vague pitch for doing something about the health care crisis. "We can no longer afford to put health care reform on hold." Does that mean cutting Medicare and Medicaid, like the threatened "reform" of Social Security, or does it mean extending SCHIP, which Obama praises?
It's not clear where he is going with this. Clinton talked beautifully about the hard-heartedness of Republicans, but he also had his own plan to privatize Social Security. Obama also made reference to "modernizing" and using individual accounts.
Next week, Obama said, we will see a new task force that will address health care reform. We all remember how that went in the Clinton Administration. And while Obama alluded in his speech to Teddy Roosevelt calling for health care reform, it was universal health care Roosevelt called for-a phrase that, while it got a workout during the Democratic primary season, did not appear in this speech. No one will be shocked if what emerges from that task force is Clinton-style incrementalism.
Going into the speech tonight, according to The New York Times, Obama had the highest favorable ratings of any recent President, and a surprising amount of support from Republican voters. Republicans in Congress, on the other hand, are not faring well with their stonewalling posture. It was a good time for Obama to lean forward, defend government spending to stimulate the economy, outline an ambitious agenda.
The "Third Way" rhetoric in the speech left me wondering whether his agenda will turn out to be ambitious in its scope, or simply scattershot and small-bore.
Obama continued to talk about reaching across the aisle and making government work for people. That might be smart, insofar as it seems to make the Republicans look more and more stubborn and irrational. But Obama's gentleness to the deregulators and pillagers is not encouraging. Nor is his willingness to spread the blame around for everything from educational failure to the mortgage crisis to the banks' collapse.
Clinton was brilliant and sunny and good at making his adversaries look downright small minded and mean. But in the end he never delivered on the big promises to expand opportunity, access to good education, spread the wealth around society. And that was when the federal budget was in surplus.
We are living in different times now, as Obama himself pointed out at the end of his speech. We can't afford to be anything but bold.




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Show AllAnd as I myself pointed out in a December blog comment:
Bonnie Prince Barack is the New! Improved! Clinton 2.0-- all of the hearty neoliberal, exceptionalist, militarist, Machiavellian flavor and none of the fattening calories and sour aftertaste of lechery.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Obama's stimulus package may somewhat resemble FDR's the New Deal.
Unfortunately, it will take $5 of private investment for every $1 of government stimulus to stop the economic freefall we are witnessing. Although, there are trillions of private dollars waiting to be invested, none will be invested in the US until Obama's financial industry policy starts resembling FDR's New Deal.
When it comes to the criminal financial industry, Obama says he gets it. When will his actions demonstrate that he gets it??????
Exactly right, Orson!
As far as "Savior Roosevelt" is concerned, I read recently that FDR said during the worse days of the Depression (and I'm paraphrasing) -- that the American economic system, that is to say, capitalism, needs a dose of reform every generation or so.
In other words, FDR and all the "liberal reformers" who came after him don't want to eliminate capitalism, they want to *preserve* capitalism. And THAT'S the problem! ... The economic elite, via their mouthpieces in the Democratic-Republican duopoly, reform capitalism from time to time, but then the monster turns back into what it's now become -- capitalism run amock -- a.k.a. "corporatism."
Who was Barack Obama five, six years ago? Was he known to the general public? So how did he become president so quickly, so suddenly? Simple: He speaks on behalf of the oligarchic-few. Barack Obama is the smile the "friendly face" the economic elite hope to put on the face of capitalism and empire.
That's Obama's job -- to preserve capitalism and empire. But, from a homo sapien point of view (and you all know this, fellas and gals) IT'S A LOSING PROPOSITION!
Not only shouldn't capitalism and empire be saved. They *can't* be saved. You know it and I know it. ... Now all we have to do is break the news to our children and grandchildren. (Any ideas along those lines Uncle Tom/Spokesman Obama?)
There's a quote from Arthur Miller's "Death of a Salesman" that's appropriate here. Wille is talking to his next door neighbor Bernard about giving up his crazy, delusional dream -- in reality, the crazy, delusional dream that so many Americans have been brainwashed into believing.
And Bernard says: "Sometimes you have to just let go."
Willie: "But what if you can't let go."
Bernard: "Well, I guess that's when it gets tough. Good-bye, Wille."
Capitalism *will* die. The only question is: will it take the United States, along with Planet Earth, with it to its funeral.
Empire *will* die. (They all have, you know.) The only question is: given the reality f nuclear annihilation, will the crazy, delusional dream of empire take the United States, along with Planet Earth, with it to its funeral.
One has to be both morally and pragmatically blind not to see the pain and suffering and misery capitalism has created. The death of these two monsters has to be swift and eternal, otherwise their "preservation" will destroy us all.
Finally, what can one say about those "at the top" who seek to preserve both capitalism and empire. Perhaps we should name a few. ... George Bush. ... Dick Cheney. ... Barack Obama. ... Rahm Emmanuel. ... Paul Volcker. ... Donald Rumsfeld. .. Hillary Clinton. ... Condolezza Rice. ... Colin Powell. ... John Edwards ... Howard Dean ... Jesse Helms.
Git the picture, biped?
Interesting thought though--It is at the end of it's rope and he isn't doing a very good job of "reforming" it. Will his lack of bold measures and incremental half measures accelerate its collapse? Wouldn't that be the final irony?
Ruth is still a bit taken in by the gee-whiz factor herself. Seeing Obama on the podium, "flanked by Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi ... was cheering"? OK, at least the sour Republicans were denied their moment in the sun. No more Nuremberg rallies with them delivering standing O's every time der Fuhrer smirked and lied about Iraq or Social Security. That much is heartening, but if anyone thinks Biden or Pelosi, or Obama for that matter, is a harbinger of great progressive change on the horizon, they've been studying too hard at the University of Low Expectations.
well said.
I pretty much agree with you. How can we use our critiques to organize people to apply pressure for progressive change, rather than appearing simply like leftist grinches and dealers in doom and gloom?
Joe
Oh Ruth, you are such a purist and so unreasonable in your carping complaints and whining protestations. You can never satisfy those Leftist extremists out there on the fringe. Give him a chance, after all he isn't Bush and that is all that matters. rolleyes
And why would anyone aspire to unity--Nazi Germany was unified and I was never comfortable with the unity post 911. Unity represents conformity & represses dissent.
It's my guess that if Obama refused to follow his orders from Wall Street and the MIC that his daughters would grow up without a father. Anyone who would dare oppose the system is weeded out by the corporate media in the primaries (and if by some miracle that person were able to get elected, the term would be abruptly cut short), and only craven opportunists are left standing.
The system has been gamed to the point that voting is pretty much useless, and talking about anything that might actually bring about real change is illegal. I understand that, but what really disgusts me is when somewhat reasonable and intelligent Americans appear to assume, ignoring all the evidence, that they do not already live in a police state.
You know what then--why bother?
Why did Obama even bother unless it was merely ego gratification.
What if FDR hadn't taken great risks and instead, fearing for his own life, cowered?
They won't be able to put a bandaid on the bottom dropping out for much longer.
It is inevitable that Obama will fail.
I am getting the feeling that Obama had his "oh shit, I've been had!" moment the day after the election,
when the CIA had a "sit-down" with him, and he realized that he wouldn't be calling the shots...
The same feeling WBush had when 911 happened, and he didn't know what to do...
i have no doubt that there's lots of stuff going on in this country we have zero clue about, but i seriously doubt the prez getting a "sit-down" w/the cia as you describe is on of them.
that there's some illuminati cabal behind the scenes running the show and threatening anyone offering a prospect of change strikes me as pretty far-fetched. someone like obama has been preparing his entire life for this moment, and wouldn't have gotten this far if he hadn't been thoroughly vetted long beforehand. every politician, as every person, has done or said things the media alone can just run with to destroy a person's career. they all know who's buttering the bread and they are in it to get a slice for themselves, not distribute it to everybody else.
don't get me wrong. i don't put anything past certain elements in our gov't/society (you gonna lie us into the iraq war, what *won't* you do?). your scenario sounds implausible b/c it's unnecessary. there are no mr. smith's going to washington who have to be pulled aside and told the facts of life.
I believe you are correct in stating that there is not "some illuminati cabal behind the scenes running the show and threatening anyone offering a prospect of change." On the other hand, if a president were to actively thwart the desires and plans of certain powerful interests, a conspiracy would soon develop (as it did in FDR's case, though Smedley Butler disrupted it). If that president were vulnerable to impeachment, it is likely that an attempt at that would be the response, with tremendous help from the corporate media to be sure. If such a president possessed no such vulnerability, and particularly if such president were perceived to be a likely target of assassination (e.g. maybe the first black president in a land with right-wing radio propagandists stirring up racial hatred), I would guess the latter option would be preferred by such conspiracy.
i don't see any presidents working to thwart the desires and plans of certain powerful interests, so there's no need for a conspiracy, is there? so far, i see no evidence that corporations (or gov't insiders) need to resort to blackmail or murder, when bribery and access work wonders. so occam's razor and all that.....
Nope, I do not see one either. As I stated above, and as you also argued earlier, the corporate media does a pretty fair job of keeping the "dangerous" sort of candidate far away from the Oval Office. And I agree that bribery and access are always there to corrupt those who are not already corrupted. I seriously doubt that under the system as presently constituted we ever will elect any president who will work "to thwart the desires and plans of certain powerful interests," though if we somehow miraculously did, the banksters and other ghouls in the Washington-Wall Street Axis of Evil would likely conclude that desperate times call for desperate measures and would get busy with those desperate measures.
Not since JFK & RFK...
We know for certain that there was a plot against FDR. It remains speculation with regard to the level of government involvement in the JFK and RFK assassinations, and intelligent and fair-minded people may differ in their conclusions regarding those events. But what we should all be able to agree on is that the business elites of the country have several lines of defense, and there is precedent that certain elites will use that last line of defense if need be.
I generally do not think of it in terms of some coordinated and close-knit group conspiring together and deciding on orders to give to a president, but rather as a group of people with similar and consistent interests, who act as referees of a sort who are mostly on the same page and who each contribute to determine the rules of the game. And any politicians who violate the rules of the game will be punished sufficiently severely to stop the violation, even if that means taking them out of the game.
With today's corporate media, FDR would never have had a chance, or at least not a chance for reelection after he demonstrated that he was not in Wall Street's pocket. As it was, there was a plot to overthrow him by the barons of Wall Street, which Smedley Butler apparently spoiled when he provided the details to the government.
Why bother? I suspect that there is a fair likelihood that events to come will spur significant and even widespread action regardless of the legality of such.
As for Obama, even if he has no real power, the presidency is "the stuff dreams are made of" for a politician.
Keep in mind that "progressive" Ruth Conniff was pushing Hillary Clinton as the best Dem Presidential candidate. That should tell you something about her politics.
That said, why is she--and so many other Wall Street socialists and Defense Department liberals--surprised to discover that Dwight D. Eisenhower is back in the White House? Of course, *this* Eisenhower will never criticize the military-industrial complex...otherwise, though, it's a close political match.
It's a sign of what decades of lying and sellout bring: a steady downward spiral that has given us Bush and now Wallfare for the mendicants of the Street. How much more do Americans have to swallow before they discover their gag reflex?
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I would rather vote for what I want and not get it, than vote for what I don't want and get that. -- Eugene V. Debs
It really is the Clinton administration all over again, with the lying intact; only the adultery is missing. Torture, war, covering up, triangulating, enriching the fat cats, all continue. And consider this, from the part of Obama's pep-talk that dealt with education:
"But we know that our schools don't just need more resources. They need more reform. That is why this budget creates new incentives for teacher performance; pathways for advancement, and rewards for success. We'll invest in innovative programmes that are already helping schools meet high standards and close achievement gaps. And we will expand our commitment to charter schools."
WHO knows that our schools "don't just need more resources"? Not all the kids and teachers struggling in broken-down buildings without good libraries, labs, books, and enrichment programs and activities. Does anyone else feel offended on behalf of the kids and teachers when it's always about giving more money to private companies to develop "innovative programs" and charter schools, and insulting teachers by assuming that they need "new incentives for teacher performance?"
Good schools like Sidwell Friends and the University of Chicago Lab School, for example, where Obama has sent his children, scorn Obama's kind of "reform." They have "resources" in abundance. Their teachers are different from the loser teachers Obama thinks need "incentives" to do their jobs in one way only: they have the tools they need, and they are encouraged to be creative, NOT to drill the kids all year for standardized tests. They are treated like the respected professionals they are. Of course, it helps that their students get enough to eat and have safe places to live.
If Obama were serious about changing the fact that, as he noted, "We have one of the highest high school dropout rates of any industrialised nation," he would be pouring the "resources" into the classrooms, and not diverting any money into the boardrooms of the testing materials and "charter school" companies.
Thanks for standing up for teachers and real education and acknowledging the fact that it takes both RESOURCES and will to conduct such an important activity as public education with any level of quality.
petrkrop sez: "If Obama were serious ... he would be pouring the "resources" into the classrooms, and not diverting any money into the boardrooms of the testing materials and "charter school" companies.
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Dude, that's Neil Bush's slush fund yer talkin' about. Hands off!
yes, i feel offended. more money is the most important thing, the rest is mostly BS. before you know it, b.ho will be talking about the soft bigotry of low expectations.....
I agree with other posts: Obama is basically Clinton. The results of his policies, however, will be more like Hoover. He is a President of Half-Measures, which we all know, avail nothing. Within four years, the economy will be where it was in 1932 (25% unemployment) and people will be angry enough to vote him out of office. Another "Friend of the Rich" President was voted out of office for his bread and treacle approach to human suffering during a depression: the Democrat Grover Cleveland. Already after only one month in office, I see his defeat in 2012 in our future.
Wrong Question in title. It should read:
Obama: Clinton or Bush?
Please let's stop insulting FDR by attempting to compare Obama to him. Despite being a multi-millionaire who scrambled to save capitalism, compared to the current gang he was out-and-out a red who responded with greatness in relation to his times. In fact, he included some reds (both communists and socialists) among his advisors and supporters, as well as any number of progressives and liberals. That is a qualitative difference from the current administration, which may not even be "not Bush."
It should also be noted that in FDR's time most Progressives were Republicans. Hell, even Taft is to the left of Obama. And there is one very different factor that must be considered when comparing the two time periods, 1930s to post-2007s--in the former period there was no National Security State (NSS) greatly limiting what might be done to solve the economic problems, while in the latter period the NSS acts like a ball and chain that strangles policy and even discussion about how to solve the economic problems. To be sure, there are other great disparities to note, especially the great dominance of the Propaganda and Indoctrination Systems that are allied with the NSS.
While there is continuity between Obama and the failed policies of past presidents, I think it folly to compare him to any one in particular. One of the major problems with articles of this sort is they put too much emphasis on the president as the be-all end-all, which results in ideas like the Unitary President. Ideally, the suggestions of the president ought to carry the same weight as those from a first term congressperson when it comes to sovling the country's problems. That this is no longer the case signals that the federal government needs to Evolve into a more democratic institution. Which is to say I do not think the federal government as currently formulated is capable of solving the economic problem, or any of the problems related to our environmental Overshoot, even if FDR was to return to office.
One of the first things FDR was create the NSS by amending the War Powers Act of 1917 in 1933 to give him emergency power over American civilians during times of emergency, which we have been in ever since. In fact in his inaugural speech, he basically threatened Congress to give him this power or he would take it anwyays.
FDR then confiscated Americans gold, and after paying them 20 dollars an oounce, he then devalued the dollar and sold the gold to the Fed at 35 dollars an ounce which they paid for by creating the money out of thin air. The government then had 3 trillion in profits to use, profits stolen from the American people. More importantly, the Fed was no longer constrained by the Gold Standard. However, they did not increase the money supply much until the war, which lifted us out of the depression.
FDR also recognized Stalin during a time he was killing millions in the Ukraine and guaranteed loans made to the Soviets when the banks were witholding credit from Americans. Our business and banks were widely involved in financing and developing German technology as Hitler built up his military during a global depression, and FDR did nothing to stop this. Indeed, even when we were at war some business continued doing business with Hitler, including Standard Oil and Prescott Bush's bank.
FDR was also the father of fascism in this country with the creation of the NRA and AAA, both of which were overturned by the Supreme Court in later years, which hurt small businesses and farmers and favoured the larger ones. He then tried to throw out the Supreme Court justices who voted the wrong way and replace them, but Congress would not go for it. But basically, FDR was pro-business and from Wall Street. His main focus was on protecting the big banks and supporting industry by keeping prices high, even for food, despite people suffering from declining wages.
The fact that the same corporate media that lied to us during the Bush days lauds FDR should tell you something. Hoover was actually a progressive, in 1920 there was talk of a Hoover-FDR ticket on the Dem side before Hoover decided to become a Republican, since Woodrow Wilson lied his way into office promising to keep us out of the war only to reverse course when elected . FDR campaigned for a sound money and balanced budgets. He reversed course once he got elected. History repeats.
FDR aide Rexford Tugwell admitted that practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs Hoover started. The only things Hoover might have done different was not go along with the NRA (previously proposed as the Swopes plan when Hoover was in office) and the AAA, not to mention the gold standard.
I don't care what Obama promised insurance and drug companies, NOW he has the power to introduce single payer health care. The people want it, everybody knows it's the best system.
Promises to the people are routinely broken. There is a lot of moral high ground to be claimed here. Besides that, I'll bet the economic mess can't be cleaned up without it.
Obama has the power, but not the media. If Obama gave one wink towards single-payer health care, he would be shouted down by the corporate media and the republican echo chamber on the radio airwaves. Clinton really screwed us over when he opened up that fascist floodgate in the 90's.
Bill Clinton hovers like an eminence grise over all these areas.
That's right. Bill (Big Blue Dog) Clinton got the Damnocrats into the habit of crawling on their bellies along the yellow line so they could lick the Republicans' jackboots. That is the party Obama inherited. He also inherited a nation coming off 30 years of catastrophic reactionary rule. While a month and a few days really aren't enough to tell what kind of president he will be or how he actually intends to govern, right now the tea leaves and the chicken entrails read like a lousy paperback novel. Perhaps Obama now realizes he should have been more careful what he wished for. Or maybe he just out and out flim flammed people like me.
if something looks, walks and talks like a duck, it is a duck but not in politics / obama speaks like a man with a vision, but in reality, surrounded by innocently corrupted old-timers, signs on the least controversial ideas given to him / domestic production replacing the china's one is not on the agenda for the investor in politics
edweg
More FDR. He's not slick. He's honest.
Perhaps I can assist here, Mr. Bronstein.
"It's not about helping banks. It's about helping people," says Obama.
See, by going into the pockets of the bank executives and major shareholders, instead of being disbursed back into the economy through lending, the money ISN'T helping the banks ... but it IS helping enrich the PEOPLE who run the banks.
Therefore, the statement - while perhaps incomplete - is honest.
Sorry. Unintended double-post.
Honest.
Agreed. What about Lincoln?
Honest? Perhaps.
It's hard, perhaps impossible, to gauge the honesty of a virtuoso professional Bullshitter™.
That's the problem. And I trust no one will have the, er, audacity to dispute this label. All of the enthusiasm for Obama's amoral pragmatism and supposed political genius-- the confidence his supporters have that he is a master political Ninja, with an array of subtle, shrewd, and stealthy skills-- presumes that Obama is bound as loosely as possible to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
The ninja needs room to wiggle and maneuver.
He may be the voice of sweet, righteous reason to many of the people most of the time, but frankly, when I listen to Obama I hear a brassy gong. And anyone who can thunder on using the Global War on Terror lexicon developed by his criminal predecessors, with its preposterous bluster about conquering the evildoers plotting Amerikan ruin in their caves on the other side of the world, does not qualify as "honest".
Those who buy into the conceit that Obama is playing eighteen-dimensional chess appear willing to tolerate Obama's early acceptance of much of the Bush maladministration's policies, his appointing refried Clintonista neoliberal warhawks to senior positions (and one token progressivish Secretary of Labor), cozying up to Wall Street tycoons and wingnuts while freezing out anyone even vaguely leftish or progressive, etc.
But the problem with having a political elite composed of professional Bullshitters™-- Obama is the Employee of the Quadrennium at present, but he's by no means an exception regarding the general qualifications for holding Amerikan federal political office-- is that one never really can tell from day to day what they'll come out with.
· Yr Obd't Servant
"...Obama suddenly morphed into Bill Clinton. Next week, Obama said, we will see a new task force that will address health care reform. ...We all remember how that went in the Clinton Administration. No one will be shocked if what emerges from that task force is Clinton-style incrementalism."
So, during the speech:
President Obama called for “comprehensive” healthcare reform.
The next-day reality:
“comprehensive” = 5%
Yesterday at Firedoglake.com Stirling Newberry writes about Obama's "comprehensive" reform:
"It's most important defect is that it neither is, nor leads to, significant savings. To underline the essential point. The plan offers savings of roughly 33 billion a year, when, by best estimates, the amount of over charging in the US health care system is 700 billion. The plan then addresses roughly 5% of the current problem. That is enough to contain costs, and enough to keep the system going longer, but not enough to put the system on a sustainable footing."
So no big shock--what emerges from that task force is Clinton-style incrementalism. So what's so wrong--as Atul Gawande put it--with doing what other nations have done to build on what they have, selecting out features of their current fragmented system of financing health care and expanding it?
As David Himmelstein wrote in his response to Gawande:
"The problem is that Atul Gawande is flat out wrong. He implies that other nations merely made adjustments in their existing systems to expand coverage to everyone. In fact, these were not simple adjustments to systems that weren’t working; they were revolutionary transformations of their health care financing systems."
"The fundamentals of these new financing systems were not based on path dependency, but they were based on path trailblazing."
Incrementalism in healthcare just dosn't work. Which is unfortunate because, sorry, "trailblazing" is not on the table. So in the end, Obama is fast becoming Clinton II--who "never delivered on the big promises to expand opportunity, access to good education, spread the wealth around society" or healthcare for all.
http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/25/obama-shows-us-the-money-on-medicare-and-health-care/
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/february/himmelstein_responds.php
Health care coverage doesn't mean sh!t unless it covers the health care you actually need!
The GOP ( the private sector) has taken it's chips and gone home. They gladly helped out their President, but when it was obvious they're party was going to lose they cashed in their markers and went on vacation. they'll be back when they can win again. In the mean time we've got a problem.
From reading the posts below, we have about 41 people who should have run for president. Everyone here seems to be smarter and purer than Obama.
Unlike Clinton he is not going to need a vast right wing conspiracy to try to bring him down. He has one growing on his left. 34 days into the presidency and comments like these on a progressive blog?
There were only two viable contenders for president. Instead of telling me that Obama is a sell-out to capitalism and our country, why don't you tell me how much better things would have been with McCain, because that was the alternative? Keep tearing Obama down, predicting and hoping for his failure and you might just get yourselves a self-fulfilling prophecy. Go ahead, clear the road for Newt, Jeb, Mitt or whoever and take your pick because that is who we will get next if Obama does fail.
Et tu Brute
Listen close buddy. No one's tearing Obama down. He's doing it to himself. Get that through your numb skull ! And FYI, between Obama and Mccain, there wouldn't have been a difference. We can have a 3rd party if we want. Now tell your DLC/BlueDog apologists to get the FUCK out of the way and let us make our case because a growing number of us are sick and tired of BOTH parties selling us down the rathole. Obama had a chance to put for change for the better and he's fucking blowing it ! Can't you see that or is your brain corn-fed like the idiot joehope?
Is this an example of internet bullying?
Or
Could this be an example of a devious right wing blogger nut, posing as a left wing blogger nut, to give progressives who subscribe to common dreams an undeserved appearance of uncouth ignorance?
So you're another example of a DPA calling us true progressives "right wing nuts!" No wonder the status quo remains and we're all getting screwed. Good grief! And I'm afraid to inform you that most progressives who subscribe to commondreams are NOT of your type and do NOT support the status quo democrats.
Putting some common sense and trying to tell you the truth is NOT internet bullying. And no, I'm not a rightwinger. I may be a gun-toter, have a Confederate flag on my pickup truck, not take kindly to the idea of abortion although I'm not gonna go out there and rail against it since women have their rights to, and be sick and tired of illegal immigration dumping. However, I am not for "free trade", tax cuts and loopholes for the wealthy and big corporations, dragging the nation into endless and senseless wars, oversubsidizing big agri over small farmers, the war on drugs, anti-environmental policies, walmartization of businesses, deregulation, privatization, offshoring to evade taxes, and insourcing and outsourcing of jobs to near-slave labor. In short, I may be a social moderate but I am a working class liberal otherwise.
Yes, we can have a 3rd party if we want! And I shall continue to vote for such parties. The bluedog, kiss-ass dems are not sick and tired of getting shafted by the corporate parties, but the hell you and I and others aren't. I'm sick of such people who would rather stand in the way than help solve the problems currently in place. They are practically the opposition much like the Repubs... unfortunately. As you can see, there are a growing number of joehopes lately..... sigh...
"As you can see, there are a growing number of joehopes lately..... sigh..."
Sad but true. But trust me, Mississippi would vote for a real progressive any day over the same old batch of DLC / Blue Dog types anyday. I'm pissed off that Obama's not even trying despite the golden opportunities he has to actually make real progress. Oh well, onwards to getting some 3rd parties into Congress starting 2010.
Clueless Dem Party Apologist, Kool Aid Drinker post. Do you think we on left have been tough on Obama for only 34 days into the presidency?
We saw through the fraud at least 2 years ago. We were right about him then, and we're right about now. Just because Jeffrey Dahmer murdered less people than Ted Bundy doesn't make Obama more acceptable than McCain.
Do you think we on left have been tough on Obama for only 34 days into the presidency?
Q1. Who do you mean "we"?
Q2. What do you mean "left"?
A. The more I read here tonight the more I think you guys are devious right wing blogger nuts posing as left wing blogger nuts.
Are you paid by Richard Mellon Scaife? If you aren't, you should send him a writing sample. He has already spent over $200 million dollars for just this type of clap trap.
Maybe if you can describe who you are and what you are as asked in Q1 and Q2 above then I will understand your seemingly "cut of your nose to spite your face" philosophies.
Typical Democratic tactic of changing the subject and creating a diversion by concentrating on the messengers instead of on the MESSAGES.
Your questions are frivolous, as is your debate technique, if you can call it that. Two important questions that you SHOULD be asking are:
1- Where's the "change" that innocent Democratic voters fell for when they voted for the fraud Obama? He's filled his cabinet with right wing-members of previous administrations and is escalating the wars instead of ending them.
2- Why is Obama pumping as much taxpayer money as possible into the banks so Wall Street can be free to resume its corrupt and speculative practices, instead of directly pumping cash into the accounts of the taxpayers?