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Who Will Be There for Obusha When the Floor Drops Out?
Now I’m wondering if I haven’t been asking the wrong question altogether. Maybe the real mystery is whether Mr. Yes We Can will be another Bill Clinton or, gulp, another George W. Bush.
It’s true, Obama has already made a few quasi-progressive decisions, such as removing some of the insanity from American foreign aid for reproductive health and beginning the process to close down Guantánamo.
That’s well enough, and I give credit where it’s due – though I wouldn’t exactly describe these as bold moves.
I didn’t have high expectations that Obama would turn out to be Eugene Debs, come back from socialist heaven (Stockholm?), and so I can’t say that I’m surprised he’s not. But I am pretty shocked and disgusted at some of the decisions we’ve seen so far, including many that Dick Cheney would have little problem praising (in some cases, because Cheney made them originally).
That’s just too much. And it’s also insulting to progressives who worked hard to put this guy in office, believing – minimally – that he was a better choice than either another Clinton or anything the Neanderthal Party would drag out. I can’t say that I donated a lot of my hours or cash to Obama’s campaign, and yet – just the same – I’m already feeling cheap, dirty and used by what I’m seeing.
The cabinet is a starting place. Like many of the terminally hopeful, I’ve been saying for a while that it doesn’t matter so much who goes in the cabinet, it matters who makes the decisions. This is mostly true, with about one-and-a-half caveats. The half-caveat is that a smart cabinet secretary can take advantage of a president who is out to lunch, like Bush and Reagan were. I suspect Obama won’t often be accused of that during his presidency, though I’ll confess that looking at the rollout of the economic stimulus program, and the rollout of the administration itself, this last month, I am way less impressed with the basic competence of these folks than I expected to be – whatever their politics.
But, the other major caveat is the symbolism
of cabinet choices. Why was it necessary to put three Republicans
in it? And, so far, not a single confirmed progressive?
Cabinet choices are usually as much emblematic as they are truly administrative.
We have to assume that real policy decisions come from the White House,
and that most fools in the cabinet will at least be able to get through
four years of making speeches without completely crashing the department,
while their deputy actually runs the show (notable exceptions noted
and excepted, of course). So presidents therefore use their cabinet
in part to make a statement, pay off some political debts, and placate
groups within their coalition. So far, so bad, ‘cause the main
statement I’m getting from the picks of this yet-another-nominally-
But take a look at some of Obama’s policy decisions in his first month in office, and it gets considerably worse from there. Even today, months after the election is done with, Mr. Obama is out on the stump saying things like, “You didn’t send us to Washington because you were hoping for more of the same. You sent us there to change things.”
That’s a big 10-4, good buddy. So how come, then, you keep turning to Wall Street pirates to run your economic program? It was bad enough that you’ve subjected us to Timothy Geithner to run the Treasury and lead your recovery effort. In addition to being a tax cheat and already demonstrably in over his head, this fool is a protégé of both Henry Kissinger and Robert Rubin. In addition to being part of the brain trust that blew the Lehman Brothers rescue decision, he also presided over the original TARP mass looting of the already stinking corpse of the federal treasury. That would be a pretty impressive resume if one intended to earn his living on his back, wearing a coat and tie. However, I thought we were talking about a Treasury Secretary here?
More to the point, though, this guy is the beginning of this particular ugliness, not the end. Last week, the New York Times reported that, “Senior executives at Citigroup’s Alternative Investment division ran up hundreds of millions of dollars in losses last year on their esoteric collection of investments, including real estate funds and private highway construction projects — even as they collected seven-figure salaries and bonuses. Now the Obama administration has turned to that Citigroup division — twice — for high-level advisers.” Oh boy.
What a shock, then, that even while Obama was pretending to show a wee flash of anger at corporate predators partying on the public nickel the other week, his administration was busy eviscerating the pathetic limitations on compensation it was barely applying in the first place. By the time you get through reading all the caveats, you realize that the $500,000 salary limitation applies to almost no one, and means almost nothing when it comes to those it does apply to. But that’s only the third best part of this charade, however. The second best is that even these absolutely paper-thin sanctions on the compensation of executives of failed corporations now sucking the federal teat first have to be approved by a vote of shareholders in order to apply. But – and this is my very favorite part – did I mention that the vote is non-binding?
It actually gets even worse, yet. Now the AP is reporting that, in the wake of Congress’ stimulus legislation (and you know what bloody socialists those folks are!), the Obama team is looking to play extra-super-double-sweet nicey-nice with the pirates from Corporate Wonderland: “Facing a stricter approach to limiting executive bonuses than it had favored, the Obama administration wants to revise that part of the stimulus package even after it becomes law, White House officials said Sunday”. Obama doesn’t want compensation restrictions to apply to all banks on the government dole. Rather, CEOs who crashed those companies and are now living off the taxpayers they spent decades deriding from the vaunted perch of the free market ideological soapbox can still take all they want, thank you very much, unless they are among the unlucky infinitesimally few getting “exceptional assistance” from Barack, Inc.
Apparently, there is some concern that Obama will take Congress’ bill and just do whatever he wants with it. You know, kinda like what’s-his-name just got done doing for eight years. Never fear, though. Barney “The Enforcer” Frank, and his posse of Democrats led by Sheriff Nancy are on the job. Congressman Frank told CBS the other day: “This is not an option. This is not, frankly, the Bush administration, where they’re going to issue a signing statement and refuse to enforce it.” Given that, seemingly by his own admission, Democrats in Congress will do nothing to reign in imperial presidents, Congressman Frank neglected to mention exactly what would prevent Obama from doing just what Bad Barney had been allowing Belligerent Bush to do for eight years. Call me cynical, but something tells me that a congressman from Massachusetts saying “This is not an option” isn’t going to make the White House tremble in fear, even if they are Democrats there (and only some of them are), and have pretty much long ago gone pro with the whole trembling thing.
Meanwhile, apparently it was young Master Geithner who led the successful battle within the administration not to take away potential third and fourth yachts from the nice men on Wall Street who have caused a global economic holocaust, now reportedly already responsible for 50 million (no, that is not a typo) job losses worldwide. He does make a good point, of course. If you don’t pay these people well, how can you attract such fine talent? Imagine how bad this global depression would be if the average S&P 500 CEO compensation in 2007 had been, say, a mere $12 million, instead of the $14.2 million it actually was! Boy, we’d really have a bad economy now! And don’t you just feel great that Obama is listening to as sharp a mind as Geithner? This is a cat who – in addition to apparently being an arrogant and capricious manager of his staff – opened his mouth for five minutes the other day and caused the stock market’s value to shrink by 4.6 percent. Let’s see here... Arrogance, gross incompetence, flack for the overclass...? Golly, could there actually be four Republicans in the cabinet? Do we actually know for sure that this Geithner guy is a Democrat? Would it matter if he was?
As bad as all this is, I wish I could say that my problem with Obama is just that he is yet another president of the wealthy, by the wealthy, and for the wealthy. Unfortunately, there’s more. There was ol’ Joe Biden, for example, off to Munich for a big security conference, talking about how the Obama administration will continue Ronald Reagan’s dream of missile defense, the ultimate defense industry boondoggle. Never mind that, even if it ever worked, and at astronomical costs which wrecked the lives of tens of millions who didn’t get education or healthcare instead, any terrorist smart enough to build a nuke or determined enough to buy one would also be clever enough to put the thing on a boat and sail it up the Potomac. This is a trillion dollar gift of public funds to the arms industry that just can’t seem to get buried. I think Reagan knew that. But why doesn’t Obama? Or – far worse – likely he does.
Then there’s the undoing of Bush’s faith-based initiative, one of the greatest examples of Constitution shredding out there, from a guy who was the acknowledged master. Obama has now issued new executive rules regarding the relationship between church activities and state money, but declined to actually revoke Bush’s rule, which allows religious organizations to make hiring decisions based on religion, for jobs funded by you and me. I’m not okay with that, and neither is the Constitution. It’s grim enough that we have to endure these assaults when we merely have a reactionary executive and a feeble Congress, especially when the latter is controlled by the alleged opposition party. But must we really put up with more such crimes after sweeping the ‘liberals’ into office?
Still, perhaps the most galling example of Obushism occurred last week in a San Francisco courtroom, where a lawyer from the new (or is it?) Justice Department was asked by the presiding judge whether the government’s position might have changed for any particular reason (wink, wink, nod, nod) since the last time the court was last convened to take up this particular case on the question of extraordinary rendition. Bush’s Justice Department had argued that the state secrets doctrine required the court to dismiss the case without even hearing evidence, effectively giving the president the right to do anything to anybody, without judicial protection or remedy of any sort. You know – kinda like the script for a Dick Cheney porno film. Since candidate Obama had severely criticized such patently and fundamentally unconstitutional concepts, the judges on the Ninth Circuit had good reason to expect that President Obama might reverse the government’s position in this case. They even asked the government’s lawyer a second time, in semi-astonishment, to be sure they were hearing him right. All to no avail. The position of the Obama administration is identical to that of Bush, Cheney, Gonzales and Yoo. The president can order you to be captured, stripped down to diapers, bagged up, tossed on a CIA plane, delivered to Egypt, Bulgaria or Tajikstan, tortured and maybe even killed. All without any scrutiny by anyone.
Maybe it’s just my weak vision, but when I pulled out my copy of the Constitution and pored over it carefully once again, I couldn’t find any language of that sort anywhere. In fact, it almost seemed like that document, and the Declaration of Independence, were written by a bunch of angry patriots pissed off at exactly such behaviors on the part of the British crown. Could President Obama, the former constitutional law professor, really be espousing the same civil liberties policies – hardly exceeded in egregiousness – as those of George III and Bush II? I guess I better re-read those documents yet once more.
Especially since another New York Times article, under the happy title of “Obama’s War on Terror May Resemble Bush’s in Some Areas”, just noted that, “In little-noticed confirmation testimony recently, Obama nominees endorsed continuing the C.I.A.’s program of transferring prisoners to other countries without legal rights, and indefinitely detaining terrorism suspects without trials even if they were arrested far from a war zone”. And, just in case the sum of the above still hasn’t depressed you enough, the piece goes on to remind us of how the new administration recently offered its thanks to the British government when a UK court deferred to American pressure in refusing to release information about the torture of a detainee held by the US. Wow.
If this was just another president doing what presidents do, these developments would merely be disappointing. In fact, they are nearly devastating when considered in context. This is the president who follows the one sure to be known as The Great Trampler, and this is the president who heartily criticized his predecessor’s constitutional calamities just months ago on the campaign trail, and this is the president only weeks in office, finally revealing his policies, not just his promises. If you care about equality, justice and freedom, there is good reason here, one month into the Obama reign, to be heartbroken already.
Look, I don’t expect any president to be one hundred percent in agreement with my positions, brilliant as they universally are on all issues. And least of all did I expect that Barack Obama would be a full-blown lefty, though I still think events might push him in that direction, as they did Franklin Roosevelt. But here’s the thing I’m wondering right now, strictly from the perspective of Obama’s own self-interest: Who’s gonna be there for him when the floor drops out, as it inevitably will at some point? Just who does he think will rally to his support if, for example, a year from now unemployment is up to 15 percent and he has shown no sign of abating this devastating depression?
Will it be the centrist middle class? At some point, they may run well out of patience, their jobs gone, their homes foreclosed upon, their health deteriorating, their hope sagging, and right-wing freaks incessantly screaming in their ears the pounding drumbeat of failed ‘liberal’ policies.
Does he think it will be those very regressives, who one might have expected to be somewhat chastened by their trouncing in two consecutive election cycles? Because when I look at how John McCain and Lindsay Graham and Rush Limbaugh are reacting to the bipartisan olive branch that Obama extended to them, I kinda don’t think so. When I see how many Republicans (three) in both houses of the entire Congress voted for his stimulus bill, I kinda don’t think so.
Does he think it will be progressives? Well, I can only speak for myself, but one month in and I’m already feeling burned by this guy. If he continues to cater to the predatory rich in this country, leaving the rest of us holding the bag, and if he continues to shred the Constitution as if he were George Bush’s kid brother, and if he is nearly as militaristic as the Strangeloves he just ejected from office, then I really won’t care a bit if he gets smashed halfway through his first term. In fact, I might even be happy to see it happen.
So, if it ain’t the right and it ain’t
the center and it ain’t the left, just who does Obama think
will be there standing with him should his presidency hits the rocks?
When you take away all those folks, just who does he think will have his back in tough times?
The Aryan Nation?
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Show AllGreen notes the following:
"I’m already feeling cheap, dirty and used by what I’m seeing."
Not me David, I voted for Nader for third time in the last three Presidential elections. And have not voted for a Democrat since 1972 including the "sell out" Clinton. But to be clear, I never voted for a Republican in my life. The only future any truly progressive person has, is to build Third Parties, and assign the Dems to the garbage bin of history.
elohim - I agree with you about building Third Parties, but I can't help but wonder, if we did get one of them into the white house, and even managed to get quite a few into the house and senate, who, or what they'd find themselves up against, and how far they'd actually be able to go. At this point I honestly feel like everything has been put solidly in place, and there isn't anyone alive who'd be able to make a difference, regardless of how ferverently they might wish to.
Thank you for pointing this out. Every time I or someone tries to point out the fact that 3rd parties have to be relevant to be effective, a cultist shoots their mouth out. These people need to understand how the system works and figure out various ways and long term ideas to change it for the better. Just changing the White House isn't going to mean anything until the support and infrastructure are put into place. I thought progressives and liberals were nurturing and team-spirited rather than Limbaughian dittoheads and wanting only one man to run the show. Until the Left puts their individualist arrogance behind them and takes teamwork seriously like the Republicans and even some Democrats, nothing's going to change for the better.
We have had our differences before, but on this issue we are in accord....
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
You can't build 3rd parties by starting with the White House. History has shown that even the Republicans who were once a third party started from local levels and slowly built their ways up. There are lots of things I don't like about the Democrats and Republicans either but given the drop in 3rd party support especially in the last 8 years, don't you agree that it's time they first went local and then worked their way up the political system? Conservative did it for the past 40 years and look where they are today. Nader has great ideas and all but 16 years is a long time to be failing and dropping from 2.8 million votes in 2000 to under 800,000 votes in 2008 is a strong indicator that Nader needs to be part of a team.
The crying foul is pretty funny.
Did the people voting for Obama really think they would get different, really?
Who did you think would have your back? This is the really important question.
Time to put away childish things.
Did the people voting for Obama really think they would get different, really?
A modified, limited Yes. I voted for him but I guess I've seen too many Frank Capra movies. It turns out that it is not a wonderful life and Mr. Smith went to Washington and moved in with Claude Rains.
Except Obama was never Mr Smith
I voted for Obama because in my view, the realistic alternative was worse.
The question for me now is what I intend to do with what I have in front of me. I find it more productive than gnashing my teeth. I guess I'm odd that way.
And . . . what do you intend to do?
I voted for Obama.
All I can say is, I'm glad he's living up to his promises.
"Time to put away childish things."
Good idea. Let's start by scrapping third parties.
"All I can say is, I'm glad he's living up to his promises."
By pandering to the GOP? LOL !! Yeah.
"Let's start by scrapping third parties."
NO NO NO ! Keep them ! The two parties need to be DISCIPLINED and not be allowed to take voters and power for granted as they're now doing. Right now, both parties are playing Dr. Faust and kissing up to Wall $treet's SATANIC @$$ !!
How is Obama "pandering to the GOP"? They opposed his stimulus package.
"The two parties need to be DISCIPLINED"
You mean like Nader DISCIPLINED the Democrats in 2000?
Third parties are a dangerous delusion.
The fact that they bit him does not negate the fact that he pandered.
Pandering: see above article, for a start. (Add, e.g., increased tax cuts in the stimulus bill.)
Joseph, proclaiming with both eyes firmly shut and both hands covering ones ears is not a substitute for honest political opinion based upon reality.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Awesome.
Thanks,
Another well stated rebuttal. Well, written and interesting to read.
The Democratic Party should now be known as the Lesser-Evilist Party.
That could catch on.
When the Lesser-Evilist's associates at Boeing rendition you the in-flight movie must be at least three stars.
Sigh!!!!!
I voted for Nader between 94 and 2004 and then got scared this election of Palin and voted "lesser evil" I won't do THAT again, any Green or Nader 2012. No, I don't give a rats ass if the entire Dimocrapic corporate whore party crashes and burns, so don't even try your "supreme court" or "pro choice is more important than anything" Dimocrap supporters. It's the MURDER of hundreds of thousands of brown people for oil and Israel and the reverse Robin Hood transfer of trillions to the banksters while leaving repoed home owner to die in the cold stupid!
Mr. Green,
The vast majority of Americans, hundreds of millions, who get their "news" from radio and television, are largely unaware of Obama's continuation of constitutional shredding that you wrote about.
They were barely aware of these issues when Bush was president (his CIA assets at the major networks censored them and they're doing Obama the same favor).
The few among the 60 million who voted for Obama and are cognizant of our constitutional crisis will simply assume that because he's African American he'll take care of these complex issues.
A black man will make sure that our civil liberties are being protected they'll reason, correct?
Obama will Trojan Horse in and cement a more powerful "Unitary Executive" than either Bush or McCain could've dreamed of.
By 2012 when Jeb is installed in office nobody will even challenge whether a President can rendition or name any citizen an "enemy combatant".
After all, Obama did it.
Cygnus,
You are right about the majority of Americans, but I think the writer is not addressing the TV-tainment-addicted population in general but the really serious problem of those who voted for Obama but neither then nor since have shown any critical faculties whatsoever. I have at least one such friend, a near-retirement age person, of all things, who is far less a citizen voter than a popstar groupy. It matters not what he does; he can do no wrong. Renditions, continued torture-in-secret, military tribunals, data-mining Americans in their homes and offices, doubling down on the misbegotten Afghan adventure, foot-dragging on Iraq and firmly in the pocket of AIPAC on Israeli state terrorism: when this stuff is mentioned to them they just say something catty and refuse to engage in any discussion. They voted for him and that means he's elected God and any criticism is sacrilage.
If this is how at least 50% (from my recent observations) of Americans on both sides of the political spectrum look at and participate in their elections, the very idea of this being a government of the people by the people is a joke. These people are equipped for nothing more than flocking to scream and throw their underwear at Elvis in las Vegas. Or at Rush Limbaugh, for that matter, as certainly politics isn't the issue for them.
Rainborowe
The Obama supporters I talked to before the election were largely unaware of his FISA vote or that he supported Patriot Act 2.
They bought into the mass marketing thing.
And besides the Republican brand name had turned to sh*t.
My good friend, I found out, was a Hillary supporter.
However, he didn't know that she supported the Iraq war and was paving a legal path to commence bombing in Tehran.
So based on my unscientific polling...WE'RE SCREWED.
Poor Mr. Green. He heard how "Things Go Better" with the superbly "marketed" candidate. He tearfully watched and listened as blacks, whites, and yellows held hands, and the young man vowed to "Teach the World to Sing," (in "perfect harmony" mind you!)
And now, with a mouthful of cavities - and on the verge of diabetes - he just can't believe Coke is not the "Real Thing."
"One month and already I'm so disappointed . . ." Stop whining and hand-wringing. You write like a child.
Right on Cygnus-X1-isaHole. I'm with you 100%. I have been saying to my (few) friends that Obusha (although I didn't use that term until now) is the best thing that could have possibly happened to the right wing nut neocons. The very best. The "liberals" are happy; and the blacks are ecstatic. We will get carrots ... the little midget variety. But my "liberal" friends will still jump and down and get excited and forget about the big stuff. Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.
Alex Jones of Infowars.com is coming out with a new movie on March 15 called The Obama Deception - the mask comes off. Watch it and learn.
The reader should bear in mind that Alex Jones thinks the secret ruling elite of the world worship Moloch and can live forever.
He once said anyone who favors gun control (i.e., most Americans) is a Nazi.
He says there are live AIDS viruses in the corn.
He once said, and I quote, "The government keeps giant, honeycombed hives of children drugged on lithium."
Alex hates Democrats and will repeat any right-wing smear against Democrats. He called Noam Chomsky a "mongoloid idiot." He called Arnold Schwartzeneggar a "Nazi t*rd."
I'm not bashing Alex here--just reporting what the says. I know about Alex because he is on cable TV constantly here in Austin. He has honest-to-God said all those crazy things--something to keep in mind as you watch his excellent video.
How interesting--since you have an established record of being an Alex Jones basher. I don't have cable, but I do listen to Alex Jones' radio broadcasts almost daily the past 4 or five years. I know enough about what Alex has said to be able to label your post as quite twisted and dishonest.
Alex Jones basher? Moi? Those are all things Alex has actually said. I'm just spreading the word!
Other fun stuff Alex Jones has said:
Vaccines have brain-damaged millions of babies. (Based on a misreading of CDC documents. Alex Jones misreads everything in order to keep his fantasies flying.)
Black helicopters are real.
The elite have openly announced that they want to kill 80% of us. (Based on misreadings of UN documents, apparently.)
There are Illuminati symbols on Starbucks coffee cups.
Margaret Sanger gave & received awards from Hitler. (When the Nazis weren't burning her books.)
The United Nations goes around Africa, sterilizing women at random
Power outages are government plots.
Illegal immigration is a government plot.
The counterculture is a government plot.
Vaccines are a you-know-what.
Thumbscanning is a government plot.
Environmentalism is a government plot.
The National Seatbelt Initiative is a bloody government plot.
Feminism is a government plot.
Tollroads are a gummint plot.
Sports are a government plot...somehow.
Antidepressants are a government plot.
Gloria Steinham is a CIA operative.
The Rothschilds funded Hitler. (The Rothschilds did not fund Hitler. Some of the Rothschilds were arrested by Hitler and ransomed back to their family; others escaped Nazi Germany with only their lives.)
Governments are always evil. (Alex has thus far failed to cite a single historian who agrees with him on this.)
Quakers are communists.
And so on.
I stand by my characterization of your method--blowing more smoke, more slanted and deceptive interpretation, more lies and half-truths--basic disinformation. I don't know what your motivation is, whether personal or something else. I do know that Alex Jones, to his credit, doesn't waste his time getting drawn into your baiting. I've seen videos of your access television show. My first reaction was that you were a Republican plant to make Democrats look stupid. If you spent even a fraction of your time doing the research that Alex Jones does, you might be able to raise your status from that of a buffoon.
Now, to your credit, you have provided a list, however disingenuously slanted, of very interesting and pertinent topics: Margaret Sanger, Hitler, Eugenics, vaccines, the Rothschild Family, Gloria Steinem as CIA asset, Toll Roads (Nafta Superhighway system, North American Union, etc.), thumbscanning (also iris scanning, Verichipping,--tracking and control)--a myriad of issues relating to the New World Order and global government (Yes, "the New World Order" is now out in the open.) It's not really about Republicans vs. Democrats. I would urge people to go through your list and start googling these issues, and if so inclined, to visit Infowars, PrisonPlanet and especially listen to Alex Jones broadcasts. I don't share a lot of Alex's politics; he does have flaws, but I think he's one person at the top of the list of broadcasters for research, analysis, and excellent guests. So you might like Amy Goodman, or Naomi Klein, or whoever. Great. In my opinion, Alex Jones fills in a lot of gaps which others don't cover. I think the majority of posters here are intelligent enough to come to their own conclusions about Alex Jones. It's one thing to be ignorant, but willful ignorance is the worst. I used to wonder why our political system seemed to keep degrading with each passing year. There are reasons.
By the way, when you list "gummint plot" or "government plot" after each item in your list, you fail to mention that Jones is basically talking about the Military, Industrial, Congressional Complex. Trying to imply that Jones is a "tin-foil-hat-wearing kook" is getting about as old as the "antisemitic" label thrown about by zionists. I've probably wasted too much of my time here, already, but one more thing, Perry. 911 was an inside job.
Amen, Mister Chips!
Most of the "left" -- I am talking about Naomi Klein, KPFK radio, Amy Goodman, Noam Chomsky, and Howard Zinn -- are mum about the deeper forces at work here. These globalists INTENDED this collapse. Every bill Bush II advanced was written beforehand waiting for an appropriate event to give it cover (banker rip off, "patriot" legislation, others). Greed alone cannot explain these events. Is it merely attributable to "greed" that governments worldwide killed over 200 million this past century?
The elites are sociopaths of the highest order. They're arrogant. What the fu*k do the Mason's Georgia Guidestones say? That a planet of 500 million people is what we will soon achieve. This is a preplanned return to neofeudalism. These folks view us as scum that need to be controlled, brainwashed and eventually eliminated. Check out Adam Curtis's work, including The Century of Self 4 hour BBC documentary (available via KPFK fund drive right now), that blows the lid off the Public Relations and Psychoanalysis Industries, being born out of Freud and his nephew Bernay's deep mistrust and disdain of the common man.
Alex Jones's 4 hour daily show is the ONLY show I know of that connects Obama's actions with the white papers of the groups and foundations that put him where he is today. Some of his politics, mainly abortion, I don't agree with; but he doesn't spend much time on that, maybe less than 5%. I concur with the Islamic belief that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." We HAVE to pull together here.
In any event, IT IS TRUE that the Rockefeller family was the brainchild of the World Wildlife Fund, Planned Parenthood, and much of the green and women's liberation movement. It's about extracting more money out of couples forced off their farms and into the workplace, destroying families, taking children from working couples via compulsory state education, and much much more. The Zeitgeist guy was right about one thing at least: the most startling thing is that the masses will be trained to BEG for their own enslavement. Not that being "green" or having the right to choose are bad things, but these matters cut both ways. Jones is always on the lookout for the elite interests that are served whenever broader economic or "humanitarian" matters are being pushed and hyped by our politicians and media.
I actually do think illegal immigration is a gummint plot. Politicians can look busy bloviating about building walls and issuing ID cards while driving down wages, ignoring safety regulations and busting labor unions. And as a bonus we have 50 million more poor people to sell beer and lottery tickets to.
No, I agree with you. My point was Mr. Logan's use of wording to build the impression of Alex Jones as a "right-wing, conspiracy-theorist, etc, you-name-it-kook", rather than actually taking the time to hear what he is saying. That's why I gave Mr. Logan credit for providing an extensive list of topics for people to investigate on their own with an open and honest intent. That's why I totally recommend Jones as a source for understanding the mechanizations of the Global Military Industrial Complex. Thanks.
Hey dickhead traitor Perry logan,
How much have you been paid for those comments?
Alex Jones and other patriots may not always be right, but they usually are, and they are a lot more courageous keyboard backstabbing Good German elitist enablers like yourself.
The vaccines ARE laced with all sorts of stuff, including mercury in many, most likely causing autism, but the class action lawsuit to that effect was thrown out of court with the passage of the "Patriot" Act in order to protect Eli Lilly and Pfizer under the cover of their assistance in developing anti-anthrax vaccines (that Bushco was on one month prior to the Anthrax false flag attack on Dems and other critics of the neocons).
The black helicopters and FEMA camps are real and operational. The military has been operating prison labor facilities in the US since mid-80's, classified for over a decade, and now out in the open, awaiting some larger use. The Trilateral Commission has already authorized the use of Canadian and Mexican forces against the US people in the event of civil unrest, totally violating the Constitution and US sovereignty. But we are now a subsidiary of an offshore banking cabal now, or haven't you noticed that China now owns 6 of our largest ports including the Port of Long Beach, through which 80% of US consumer goods pass through, with security being provided by another foreign entity. Exactly the scenario depicted by Naomi Klein that has occurred in the looting of other third world nations (we're well on our way to joining them).
Antidepressants ARE largely an elitist plot to conform humanity to an inhumane world, to dampen our survival mechanisms, and to make us less resistant to mass slaughter, if it comes to that. You thought Aldous Huxley was the only guy talking about soma? His whole family was into eugenics, mind control, and elite domination.
http://www.galtoninstitute.org.uk/Newsletters/GINL9912/julian_huxley.htm
"Julian Sorell Huxley (1887-1975), one of the outstanding biologists of the 20th century, was a Life Fellow of the Eugenics Society from 1925, its President 1959-62, and is the only person ever to have given two Galton Lectures, in 1936 and 1962. He was also, at various times, Professor of Zoology at King’s College, London, Secretary of the Zoological Society of London, and the first Director-General of UNESCO. His scientific interests, as shown in his many publications, included courtship in birds, the biology of cancer, ants, genetics, systematics, ecology, and conservation.(1) To describe Huxley as a polymath is true but barely adequate. To few is given the inheritance, biological and social, that was his, and he made good use of it.(2)
Although he worked in many biological fields with great success there was a central theme to Huxley’s life and work: evolution. His grandfather, Thomas Henry Huxley (1825-1895), was one of the first to appreciate that Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection would transform biology and ultimately influence profoundly many other disciplines. He became Darwin’s chief supporter in England, being known to the Victorian public as ‘Darwin’s bulldog’. At the 1860 British Association meeting in Oxford he defended evolution in an historic debate with the then Bishop of Oxford, Samuel Wilberforce...Julian Huxley’s work for eugenics, conservation, and at UNESCO suggests that he too believed that knowledge should be put to practical use. His work may also have, indirectly, inspired one of the most enduring science fiction novels of the 20th century.
Aldous Huxley (1894-1963) was Julian’s younger brother who achieved fame as a novelist, especially with his Brave New World first published in 1932....However, humans are, mainly, cloned in the laboratory in the right numbers of various kinds to preserve the perceived optimum social class ratios. At a time when most writers of science fiction were fascinated by and fixated on the ideas of space travel, death rays, and similar technological wonders, Aldous Huxley was one of the few to base his future society on mankind taking control of its own evolution.
...As an evolutionary mechanism natural selection was thought by many at that time to be contrary to the laboratory findings of the new science of genetics. More importantly, however, there was a widespread feeling that evolution was, or ought to be, directed or purposeful in some way. That it should not be simply a series of chance events in which the fittest or the most fortunate survived...Huxley was a supporter of eugenics throughout his life but his view of it changed, evolved, between his two Galton Lectures, Eugenics and Society in 1936(7) and Eugenics in Evolutionary Perspective in 1962(8)...
In his second Galton Lecture Huxley was more concerned with the increase in mankind’s genetic load caused by the growing number of those with genetic defects being kept alive by medical advances long enough to breed and the possibility of radioactive fallout producing a new crop of harmful mutations. He argued that it would be possible, and was necessary, to lighten this load by discouraging those with inherited defects from reproducing...
Huxley’s suggestions for positive eugenic policies were far more controversial. His idea of graded family allowances being used to persuade specially able parents to have more children seems unlikely to appeal to any politician seeking votes in a democratic society. He also advocated a much greater use of AID, which he called Eugenic Insemination, and the setting up of deep-frozen sperm banks containing donations by eminent men, Nobel Prize Winners for preference, from which a prospective mother could choose the qualities she particularly admired and would like for her child. Assuming, of course, that she herself could supply a set of genes of comparable quality compatible with those of the donor...The Human Genome Project would seem to be a start, a major step, in the direction of the realisation of our species’ genetic possibilities. Of course, what we do with this knowledge is another matter. I suspect Huxley would have wanted to use it to try to raise the average IQ of the population...A catastrophic event may be needed for evolution to move at an accelerated pace, as the extinction of the dinosaurs gave the mammals their chance to take over the world. It is much the same with ideas whose time has not yet come; they must survive periods when they are not generally welcome. Like the small mammals in dinosaur times they must await their opportunity..."
There is more elsewhere on this project. These people want a culling of our species, as do Earth First! and other environmental groups that receives Rockefeller funding. During Hitler's rise to power he was adulated here in the US, with about 35 states having forced sterilization laws on the books, with judges being the sole determinants for who gets to breed and who not, based on their own racial, gender, and political biases.
All just to say that the NWO is quite real, and that there is an intersection of eugenics, banking, and corporate interests that so far have trumped broader human/humane interests.
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911 was an inside job. Cheney suspended the Constitution via the imposition of Continuity of Government on 911. Congress has been denied access to the COG details. COG is martial law. http://prisonplanet.tv/alex_jones_live.html
You GO, Derek!!! I didn't feel the energy to put together rebuttals to the long list presented by Mr. Logan, but as I said, I give him credit for bringing the items up for consideration. Your replies are great and concise and your're doing a better job than I probably could have done.
As a side note, concerning the unfortunate yet predictable court ruling on the connection between vaccines and autism, I was struck by the reference to the panel of judges as "Special Masters". How long have we had judges referred to as "Special Masters"? Is this a corporate construction?? From what I got from a newspaper account and the outrageous rational of one of the "Special Masters", the judgement seemed to be pretty much of a sham. I'm going to look up "Special Masters".
Mister Chips,
Thanks for the compliment; however I think you are more than holding your own on this board. The message of Constitutionalism, civil liberty, and sound money needs as many proponents as possible. I wish I had more time for spreading the word about this stuff. I am a union rep where I work, and am very busy with that. It's a fine line pushing non-MSM politics on people I work with. I usually only share the Jones movies and Rock Creek Free Press with people after we've gotten to know each other pretty well.
I used to spend more of my free time advocating for reduced EMF in our cities, like no cell towers on or near schools and residential neighborhoods. I am diagnosed with electromagnetic field hypersensitivity syndrome, and have chest pain and brain fog whenever within a mile or so of most cell towers. I wish I could focus more on that work, but this economic collapse and all this militarization will be the end of us anyway, with or without the genetic damage, mental dysfunction, and serotonin imbalances EMF causes. If we end the Federal Reserve, I will be killing two birds with one stone: restoring a sane fiscal policy in the US, as well as likely uprooting the corrosive corporate attacks on the science demonstrating that unquestioning unlimited cell phone use is NOT in the public interest.
I had never heard of "special magistrate" before. It sounds medieval to me, like this kind of judge reports only to Fuhrer or something.
I used some colorful words to describe Mr. Logan. I was just trying to indicate some emotionality underlying these discussions. There is a lethargic slack-jawed quality to the US populace at present, and we need desperately to stir them to action. It is tragic to see how easily people were duped by Brother Obama and his media-focus-group-whore supporters. I don't put much stock in what Obama SAYS about ANYTHING. It's all bread and circus. You absolutely cannot trust charisma and sex appeal (let alone the color of one's skin) to be good indicators of judgment or the capacity to serve the public interest. In my opinion one must always look to contrarian non-moneyed points of view to find the real narrative and where the hypocrisies lie.
I RARELY consult the New York Times for anything. Being a member of Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting for the past two decades has taught me NEVER to trust the mainstream media. You should go to the non-foundation, non-think-tank experts who are always pointing to -- and knowledgeable enough to see -- the slants in perspective in corporate media.
I don't have time to "persuade" Mr. Logans of anything. But he should go check the primary sources himself before dishonoring someone who has dedicated his life to upholding the Constitution and the civil liberties of citizens both in the US and abroad.
The real shame is that Mr. Nader, Kucinch, and Ms. McKenny's ideas did not have a chance to be heard.
As we know, their ideas/views were shut out of the debate.
But, the sheeple are asleep, or to fearful to think about their own best interests.
It should have been a red flag for any thinking person when obama outspent anyone in history on his campaign. And while the economy was crashing and burning.
CD actually turned me off because they admittedly backed him. I didn't see that as progressive. The same with the 'Nation', which has been pretty centrist since Katrina V. has been in charge of things. If MSNBC backed him, how progressive could he really be?
That said, he never even promised anything new. We had his voting record for heaven's sake. FISA included. People truly believed that because of his personal story, he was going to be different. And heck, he looks different. And oprah said "he is the ONE". What more could an american want? We have become an oprafied nation, where we care more about personal narrative than what a person is actually doing in real time.
It was predictable that things wouldn't change much, because americans haven't. People got scared because the dow crashed before the election. Otherwise, it may have been Mcpalin anyway. If there has been no learning or growth, how can anyone expect change. It was like going to church on sunday and expecting one's life to change. People made such a big deal about voting and were so proud about it. Karl Rove didn't manipulate enough to get the republican in.
However, i don't think they cared that much about Mccain. I don't think they were that invested.
The writers at Black Agenda Report got it right. And right after the election i felt sick inside. I was so relieved to read a piece on Counterpunch by Glen Ford, editor of BAR. It was the only piece i found that mirrored my feelings.
At least there are people who were on the bandwagon and are willing to admit they have been had. I am predicting this will be a one term presidency. All that was put into motion in the past years is coming to fruition. I also think obama is not a leader. I think he is scared, although i don't know what he expected. He did make history as the first multiracial president and that may have been his deepest ambition. And americans got to feel proud of themselves for being so open minded.
At one point, CD even started banning those who were truly progressive simply because they nailed Obama and the Democratic Party while keeping the rightwing plants.
As far as I know, CD never directly acknowledged, much less explained, the abrupt banning of many CD regulars one day after Obama's election.
The only common denominator was that the persons banned were those skeptical of Obama and the lesser-evil approach to politics.
At least a few of those banned have re-entered using other nyms-- although pro-Obama voices like good ol' Daniel David and high karate seem to have vanished as well.
There seems to be more tolerance of Obama-skepticism here now, but who knows when another unilateral house-cleaning will happen? I only hope that CD's fundraising is negatively impacted by such travesties, such that they will question the efficacy of harsh censorship and overzealous "moderating" and banning. Keep your fingers crossed.
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OBEDIENT: So true. I think Daniel David may have been the paid schill many of us took him for as now that the deed is done (his man in office), Daniel can go onto the next gig. Who knows, maybe Karen Hughes has a post for him?
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READY TT: Interesting that you brought up Oprah. The woman is an orifice of infinite marketing, the corporate myth/mantra of consumerism taken shape as a human being. When she gave Dr. Phil his chance, I coined him as one of the the media's ubiquitous "programers." We used to have "experts" on talk shows, but now it's come to "programers." People so insecure with their lives, so out of touch with basic instinct, they have to seek outside human sources to tell them how to behave. And when people are trained to "tune into" these experts/programers, the mechanics for a nation of sheep is thoroughly furthered.
Oprah sure has clout. I am glad that the nation showed it COULD elect a Black individual (or half-Black for purists), but it's such a shame that he's another sell out. Nor am I convinced he had particularly savory motives before he started lurching rightwards towards Babylon.
Don't forget: Oprah pushed the government's pre-Iraq-war propaganda. "We're not telling you what to believe. We're just telling you what is." (Nicely enshrined in Bill Moyers' "Buying the War.")
Of course i totally agree, Sioux. And Dr. Phil is Rush Limbaugh in another form. In fact, i think he is actually malevolent.
Yes, he is like the perfect example of a non human telling people how to be non humanoids. He really is deeply disturbing-on the level of Sarah Palin disturbing.
And oprah is definitely the symbol of consumerism that women are supposed to worship. In fact, she is a corporate creation of the 'Goddess' for mass consumption.
I want to do that radio show, Sioux!
I fear that the adjectives to use for President Obama are "timid" and "intimidated." At first I had great hopes, then watch them crushed one by one as questionable decisions were made. I remain not sanguine about our future.
God told me she froze the Banking system because the USA supports israel and opposses gay marriage.
She also mumbled something about Iraq and Afghanistan but the wind was to loud for me to catch what she said.
"Who’s gonna be there for Obama when the floor drops out, as it inevitably will at some point?"
Rush Limbaugh will be there, his tiny fat man's dick barely sticking out of the fly of his $850 golf slacks, to urinate all over Superman's face. Next will be the voters who will make Sarah Palin our first female president.
And by the way, thanks for this: "Bill Clinton – a pathetic sell-out who was the right match for little beyond pursuing his personal eight-year joy-ride at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue." That's the most accurate, short and sweet description of Tell 'Em Willy Boy Is Here I have ever read.
The author can shut up at this point. He allowed the Democratic Party to stifle 3rd parties so he has no business crying over spilled milk. Now shut up and take another 4 years of Dubya disguised as O-DOOFUS already !
"I can’t say that I donated a lot of my hours or cash to Obama’s campaign"
Congratulations to DMG. The reason that other people DO feed their fingers to the elite establishment for afternoon snacks is because the establishment framing says it's the thing to do for one to join the party and share the spoils. Many people join the party only to share the misery. This illustrates a failure in critical thinking on the part of the people. Suggestion: People, start your critical thinking engines.
The goal for the people is to develop an effective personal policy connected to enlightened principles. By default, give the elites no quarter. For example, reject all elite candidates in the elections. Make them grovel for your support. Throw them crumbs and watch them carefully. Did they invest it to serve the people's interest or did they squander it? We told the Demoks to earn the progressive vote in Nov 2008 they had to vacate Iraq and prosecute top white house officials, They failed! And now look - they still have zero support from progressives. That's a very deep state of bankruptcy.
The elites are parasites. They need to take your energy from you to maintain their elite status. Don't exchange or associate with them unless you have absolute control over the terms. We have a duty to take this approach. Failing this, we contribute to the elites' exploitation of us all.
"in semi-astonishment, to be sure they were hearing him right. All to no avail."
Why should the judges be astonished that the O'Bama DOJ carries on the illegal policies of the previous regime? O'Bama himself spent the past two years in the Senate writing blank checks to the previous regime. Are the people ready yet for self-rule? We thought we needed McKane to get into the cockpit and pilot the aircraft into the lake before the people are ready for self-rule.