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Understanding Generation Kill
I can see them now in my mind's eye. Still remember their faces, hear their voices. I probably always will, for war has a way of etching the memories of people, places, smells and sounds on the psyche as few things can.
I think of men such as Private James Little, an American infantryman with the Stryker Brigade who one day, during a search-and-destroy mission in Baghdad's badlands, drew heavily on a Lucky Strike and told me how his buddy had just been blown to pieces by a roadside bomb.
"Motherf***ing thing looks just like some big copper ashtray, but heats up on detonation and goes straight through the armour like a hot knife through butter," he recalled, as we sat huddled behind a wall during a lull in fighting in the Mansour district of the city.
"It blew in, hit Lucas in the side and in his face," he said, before his voice tailed off, as if suddenly seeing Lucas in his own mind's eye.
Just listening to him, you knew that image had already turned to black and white in Private Little's head. It would never leave him.
More recently, just a few weeks ago in fact, I met a 22-year-old British marine called Ryan Gorman in Helmand, Afghanistan. As a sniper with 45 Commando, his mental snapshots were of a different kind.
"Lots of the lads here when they fire back are shooting at shapes and blurs, but I could draw you a picture of the men I see, even the features on their faces."
Being a sniper is not something Gorman likes to talk about when back home in East Kilbride. "Even my closest mates wouldn't understand," he confides.
But then just who, other than soldiers themselves, could ever be expected to understand such experiences? How many of us can honestly relate to what it must be like to watch a close friend die horribly in battle, or carry the psychological weight of having "confirmed kills" attributed to you?
Since that day in September 2001 when the twin towers buckled to the ground in New York, have we ever really paused to consider what impact the prosecution of the "war on terror" has had on a generation of our own young men and women who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan?
To some, of course, soldiers such as Little and Gorman seem at best the naive stooges of political overseers hell-bent on oil-grabbing and the relentless pursuit of our nation's imperial ambitions. At worst, servicemen like them are castigated as a latter-day breed of "babykillers" just like their predecessors in unpopular wars such as Vietnam.
These modern soldiers and marines after all, appear far removed from that "Greatest Generation" who stormed the beaches at Normandy and pushed back fascism. Today's warrior crop, it is often assumed, are not made of the same stuff, having been weaned on video games, the internet and reality TV.
I remember once, just before a dangerous night time "isolation operation" in western Baghdad's Iskan district, seeing American soldiers from Charlie Company 1st Battalion 23rd Infantry watching Sean "P Diddy" Combs on the Conan O'Brien Show at their forward operations base (FOB). One minute they were howling with laughter, the next they were listening to their company commander briefing them on the high chance of contact with the enemy and taking casualties. So much of war is like this, full of morbid interruptions and surreal eccentricity.
Ever since 9/11, the burden of fighting Iraqi insurgents and the Taliban in far-flung places like Fallujah or Helmand has fallen heavily on the shoulders of young soldiers such as these.
In Generation Kill, the new seven-part mini-series set in the Iraq war, the creators have tried to paint a portrait of this new breed of men at war. Based on a true story and told through the eyes of embedded reporter Evan Wright of Rolling Stone magazine, it is an uncompromising, roller-coaster tale of men from First Reconnaissance US Marines, whose job it was to "spearhead the blitzkrieg" on Iraq.
As you would expect from the pairing of David Simon and Ed Burns, who also created the acclaimed Baltimore cop series The Wire, Generation Kill has been made to smack of authenticity. Tim O'Brien, a former infantryman turned writer and one of the best chroniclers of the Vietnam war, once commented that "a true war story is never moral". As O'Brien saw it - and he saw a lot during his time in Vietnam - you can tell a true war story by "its absolute and uncompromising allegiance to obscenity and evil".
Generation Kill certainly has both in abundance, and within the ranks of its character are the stereotypes so many of us assume to be commonplace on the front lines of Iraq and Afghanistan.
"You know what sucks? All those dead people we saw today and I didn't get to shoot one of 'em," complains Lance Corporal Harold "James" Trombley, a teenage "jarhead" and the least experienced marine in Generation Kill.
Trombley's character is typical of what Wright calls "America's first generation of disposable children. Young men from broken homes often raised by absentee, single working parents more acquainted with internet porn than they are with their own parents."
As Trombley quips in true video gamer style, after his unit seizes an Iraqi town, "It was just like Grand Theft Auto."
Over the years I've met many Trombleys in Iraq and Afghanistan. A few of these "Joes" have clearly long given up caring about such things as protocol or basic courtesy regarding the Iraqis they encounter. These men think nothing of dropping cigarette butts or spitting chewing tobacco on the floors of Iraqi family homes during house-to-house searches. Sometimes, they've been known to do much worse things.
For them the "Hajis" have replaced the "Gooks" of the Vietnam era, and are nothing more than a threat to their lives. Politics, the war on terror, making America safe - none of that matters half as much as staying alive and getting home.
Perhaps the badlands of Baghdad have worn them down, burned them out emotionally. Then again, perhaps they were always like that.
If one of the great strengths of Generation Kill is to confirm the true existence of such abhorrent stereotypes, then another is the drama's ability to reveal that not all soldiers are borderline psychotics or racists. It might be difficult for many of us looking on from the safety of home to believe, but some men do love soldiering, revelling in the exotic, high-octane experience of war and the consummate professionalism they are trained to bring to the chaos of the front line.
As a reviewer once wrote about the author of Dispatches, Michael Herr's book about the Vietnam war: "Herr dared to travel to that irrational place and to come back with the worst imaginable news: war thrives because enough men still love it."
In the pages of Dispatches, Herr often referred to his British war photographer friend and colleague, Tim Page, who when once asked if it was possible to take the glamour out of war replied: "Take the glamour out of the war?! I mean, how the bloody hell can you do that? Go and take the glamour out of a Huey, go take the glamour out of a Sheridan Can you take the glamour out of a Cobra or getting stoned on China Beach? Oh war is good for you, you can't take the glamour out of that. It's like trying to take the glamour out of sex, trying to take the glamour out of The Rolling Stones I mean, you know that, it just can't be done."
Some years ago, after the war in Vietnam was long over but the civil war next door in Cambodia still rumbled on, I ran into Tim Page in Saigon, and asked whether he had really meant what he said and stuck by it. "Of course," he confirmed. "You've been there, you know what I mean."
I do know what Page meant, but, unlike him, it was never something I relished. That's something I was sharply reminded of just a few weeks ago, after being caught in a Taliban ambush while on a mission with 45 Commando Royal Marines in Sangin Valley, Helmand.
Though a specifically American take on the lives of their own marines in Iraq, watching Generation Kill is to be reminded of the universality of the front-line soldier's experience. The boredom, the profanity, the high-tech virtually impenetrable language of a close-knit community, and above all the black humour.
I remember sitting aboard a Blackhawk helicopter at Baghdad International Airport (Biap) once, heading for a remote FOB. Next to me, a soldier wearing the shoulder patch of the "Screaming Eagles" 101st Airborne Division grinned and handed me a piece of paper on which there was a caricature of some newly arrived American soldiers at Biap.
Behind them lay an apocalyptic landscape of smoking, bomb-blasted buildings full of dismembered bodies littering the streets. Sticking up from the devastation was a signpost on which was scrawled in blood-red letters the words: "Welcome to Baghdad." All the cartoon soldiers stared at the sign except one, who, from the corner of his mouth, urgently asked his buddy. "If God blessed America, then why the f*** are we here?"
Like the humour, the customs, codes and language of the soldiers existence is unique. A world of FOBs and MREs (Meals Ready to Eat), where to watch the enemy is to have "eyes on", and fight them results in "kinetic" activity. Here, if you are an American marine, your clarion call is "Get some" and if you're British it's "Crack on".
To those of us outside this military fraternity, it's all too easy to see those in uniform simply as heroes or villains. As is so often the case, the truth behind their role, like the motives that took them to war zones in the first place, is often far more complex.
In Afghanistan recently - while living among the men of with 45 Commando on FOB Inkerman, a Vietnam-style firebase frequently the target of Taliban attack - I was constantly amazed by the mental and physical resilience of those who manned this remote and dangerous outpost.
After one fairly "kinetic" afternoon during which we had more "contact" with the Taliban than I had comfortably wanted, the look of professional satisfaction on the faces of the men who had returned from the mission said it all.
"The lads relish it," said Major Richard Parvin, the officer commanding Yankee Company, his grin as big as those on the faces of his men. Not for a second had I any reason to doubt that what he said was true.
Politically, the wars in Iraq and increasingly in Afghanistan remain a hard sell. For that reason too, Generation Kill might prove a tricky proposition when it comes to ratings, but few who have been near a front line would question its claim to authenticity.
An American take it might be, but a universal tale of today's soldiers' life it most certainly is. Whether those who comprise this current generation of warriors will in the years to come be blighted by their experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan, only time will tell. After all, getting into a fight is one thing. Getting out, however, will be like having one of those tattoos so beloved of bootneck marines surgically removed - slow, painful and scarring.
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Show AllA very good article, bringing out the perverse truth about the bellicose nature of humankind.
Thank you David Pratt for trying to bring some real truth to people about reality. I hope "Generation Kill" is as good as you say and I hope many watch it if it is. Maybe then they will have a glimmer of understanding.
Your article was a good start.
The "Greatest generation" went on raping and looting rampages.
War hasnt changed since Homer's time.
Sioux Rose
I dislike the article for the banal tone with which it treats war and warriors, like some sterile news report reminiscent of scores being spoken by a sportscaster. This kind of perspective NORMALIZES war, as an inevitability of the human experience; as if the fact some soldiers come from broken homes and have had no human contacts (only porn) give them a raison d'etre for spitting on Iraqi lives and living rooms.
The REAL issue is that these wars were set up on the basis of fictions. IF Bin Laden was behind 911 (which I doubt, and if he was, he had LOTS of insider help) then the appropriate measure (and I believe Scott Ritter spoke of this approach) was to send in a team of Navy Seals or some covert operation specifically aimed at Bin Laden. I believe he was allowed to get away, and this may have been arranged from the getgo, because to have a really big cowboy movie, you need "a wild Indian," or the analogy could go that cops need robbers.
The subtext of this argument (or what I draw from it emotionally) is asking for more respect for soldiers. I am sorry. Until ours becomes a world where war and its glorified warriors are no longer given high status, no soldier deserves to be treated as a hero for he's ultimately a co-conspirator to the DESTRUCTION of other persons' lives and cultural lifestyles. Since WW II every U.S. "war" has mostly been done to secure a strategic location or specific resources. There is no honor in this, nor has it an iota to do with freedom. How FREE are Americans today for all the theft of others' bounty? It's almost led, like some kind of karmic full circle, to an inverse proportion of liberties. Just as the Israelis have built up a mentality of fear that make them consistently attack outside their walls, or build new ones; the U.S. acts with great militarism to protect its once enormous bounty, while the very cost of maintaining this policing force (added to the nouveau greed of bankers) has actually and perhaps absolutely bankrupt our nation.
In the final analysis, profit only can be maintained by right actions... those that respect the law of balance.
I absolutely agree with you, Sioux Rose, on every point you make. The article uncritically takes such concepts as "the enemy" for granted, in a conflict for which the very premises are based on smoke and mirrors. By playing up the "thrill" of the life-and-death situations in which these young men are placed, fictions like "Generation Kill" and articles like this do not penetrate to the poisonous nihilism at the heart of the society that puts them there and drives them on. They are like the computer and video games so many of these young men are raised on and which, like the military games they later play, hollow out their souls.
Sioux Rose
CLOVIS: Thank you. If the next generations are being purposely raised to see life as flat and mechanical as the images reflected on a computer screen, then this purposeful desensitization process may turn kids into warriors, all fighting over vanishing resources. I pray this type of future does not await my very sensitive wonderful grandson, Phoenix.
I fight that possibility by writing works that teach OTHER which I hope will reach minds before the deadly computer games that normalize a sense of actions without consequences poisons their thought processes.
Add to the alienation and dehumanization of these games the fact that they instill in the kids that play them an uncritical and even positive attitude towards warfare and killing. I have to admit that I'm a dyed-in-the-wool antimilitarist and feel despair to see that the young consider a lot of this stuff "cool." I don't think there's much hope for the world progressing spiritually and socially unless it can rise to a "post-military" mentality. In this respect, the United States (and Israel) are truly in the rear guard of human development.
Sioux Rose
CLOVIS: An excellent analysis. In the past 3 days I have had to scour through my personal library to find PAGE NUMBERS of quotes I used (and sometimes just alluded to) in my current book. I stood before this body of literature, reviewing things I had long ago read, the wisdom of which still stuns me, and I thought: for all this intelligence, here is mankind fighting the same lethal dragons and most are largely delusions born from within, albeit cultivated by those who PROFIT from emphasizing such entities.
Years ago I used to listen to WBAI radio and at 11 PM there was a DJ named Rosko who used to read some amazing poetry. One poem which I had and lost was a long one, entitled, "For What is Man?" And it was written by Thomas Wolfe (not Tom Wolfe with the pop books). There was a line in it reminiscent of my sentiments upon reviewing the body of wisdom before me against the reality that modern times have fallen into every dark trap, it would seem, that flesh is heir to. And it, too, lamented that amid all the pages of time, all the items left behind by the greatest of thinkers, here we were in the same quintessential petri-dish.
I do believe the darkness can be overcome, and I believe teachers have already provided the recipe. It's like us in America who SEE the sins of our leaders but lack the tools for holding them to account. The TRUTH and HOW to live has been given time after time, but those who gain power invert the teachings, turn person against person, tell us THIS is the way this world operates, live richly themselves, while watching as the others tear each other limb from limb. Gives pause to the idea on the part of some pretty far-out types (I know some in this forum may lump me in that category) that our ancestry was coupled with a root race that had reptilian (as in cold-blooded) tendencies. Sometimes that's the only idea that makes sense of it all.
Sioux Rose, I appreciate your words of truth and wisdom on this and many other posts. May you prosper and shed your light on us all.
Sioux Rose
CLOVIS: Your compliment is taken to heart. I love adding to this forum, and am enriched by many who also contribute. Plus it's helpful to get the occasional "nod" as it keeps me focused on my writing projects outside of this venue.
P.S. May you prosper, too.
Wise words, as always, Sioux Rose. Regarding those video games that teach kids the glories of war and the thrill of killing, I recommend "The Complex," by Nick Turse. Subtitled "How the Military Invades Our Everyday Lives," he has a chapter on "a virtual world of war," specifically the video game "Close Combat: First to Fight." It's one of the most popular video games ever and teaches kids how great it is to take part in actual (virtual) high tech combat, and the whole thing was designed and marketed by the US Army. To the tune of $19 million. It's quite a story, as is the whole book, which should be read by anyone who really wants to know how the Pentagon has hijacked the economy and turned the entire culture into its playground. The United States literally would not exist today without all the military spending that is bankrupting us. It's all we are now. Stories of the madness that results from PTSD, the suicides and murders and ruined lives, are inevitable consequences of our dedication to militarism as the only solution for dealing with all the problems of empire. We'll just keep going and staying insane so long as we devote immense fortunes and energy to this monster fed by lies and every imaginable form of chicanery. And where is Obama within all the madness this monster has unleashed? Fully on board with it, ready to devote even more funding to its greedy, devouring, destroying maw.
Sioux Rose
EPHRAIM: Thank you for the Nick Turse reference. I remember his articles on militarized Christmas toys, what's happening with DARPA (the military branch into odd technology that's almost sci-fi. I think those are its abbreviation), and above all his whistleblowers list. He writes about such important topics and is so well-informed, and thus so marginalized. It is truly mind-blowing the degree to which militarism HAS invaded our everyday lives and "normalized" itself into the very fabric of American culture.
You didn't understand what this article said at all. It may be that people that are not involved can never understand. I'm beginning to believe thats the case. But at least you didn't make some inane comment like most do. Thanks for that.
I don't want you to think for a minute I am being critical of you, I'm not, if anything you should know by now that there is no one here as anti-war as I am unless its another veteran.
I hope the sun is out. Be well.
Sioux Rose
Thomas: You are as much a paradox as the twin fish indicative of your Piscean nature. Such a nice guy, but impossibly blinded when it comes to the "soldier's cult." A lot of southern racists have to badmouth Blacks to retain their sense of idenity, an identity inherited from equally racist parents, those who may have perpetrated real evils against their Black brothers. I have a feeling you suffer a parallel disorder when it comes to militarism. Unable or unwilling to recognize that just because you joined an institution that TOLD YOU it was OKay to kill, that some ridiculous enterprise of inordinate violence leveraged against a primitive people thousands of miles away meant FREEDOM or constituted a JUST cause does not make it so.
That issue will ultimately rest between you and your maker. At least by participating in this forum you raise the prospects of raising your consciousness, and it would be nice to see you use the apostrophe appropriately, as I went to some extent to explain the difference quite recently. Needless to say, that is a minor point comparative to your usual knee jerk reaction in defense of soldiers, and therefore war.
I am in absolute agreement with you. Thomas is a "nice guy". Most here on CD, whether those who agree with him or those who disagree would, I am sure, express the same sentiment. Also, I agree with Thomas in that we really do not understand, but try we must.
"At least by participating in this forum you raise the prospects of raising your consciousness"
I am sure you would agree that Thomas More's participation in this forum has also helped many others with regard to the elevation of consciousness/awareness through the many discussions he initiated here on CD.He certainly helped me understand (consciousness/awareness) much in the past and I expect, or hope, that he will help me understand much more in the future. Thomas is one of our commentators who definitely would be missed should ever he decide to not participate on this forum.
As always Sioux Rose I am one of your biggest fans and I continue to look forward to any and all future insights you may have to share with us here at CD.
Thomas Gilbert
Sioux Rose
Hi Dante, I just cannot accept the way Thomas sees military service as something worthy of respect. Other than that, and his naivete about racism in America (and his outlook on "illegal" aliens), I agree that he is a thoughtful contributor. I wish I could spend an hour giving him some grammar lessons however... but he's far from the only one in the forum who could use a little tutoring in that regard!
Sioux Rose,
That is really not too bad provided your list is meant to be exhaustive as opposed to suggestive. Out of the many issues treated on this forum you are in disagreement with Thomas on three.(I grant it that these are very serious issues) (Three so far) Hey!! He is doing better than I.
As for the grammar perhaps I could sign up also. If you could only teach me to express a complex idea with the economy you employ....Oh well...one can hope...
Take Care Sioux Rose
Thomas,
There may very well be many here who are as anti-war as you but I agree with you in that there are none who are more so. You have been to hell and back my friend and your message has always been consistent. I often wondered Thomas how old you were when deployed to Viet Nam. My brother was twenty-three.
One thing the article doesn't touch on is that eventually these (mostly) guys are coming home and some already have and they are bringing their maimed bodies and minds with them.
To some extent, the economic costs of their long-term maiming have been discussed by Joseph Stiglitz and others, but the social costs have barely been touched upon. Spousal abuse, suicide, addictions, murders, general inability to return to civilizn life because the adrenalin rush just ain't there, self-rationalization taken to the political level that what they did was "noble" (John McCain comes to mind), a massive infrastructure to care for their disabilities (but that's okay: it adds to the GDP!), etc.
War is not "diplomacy by other means." War is the stupid failure of diplomacy. War is collective psychosis.
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Sioux Rose
OLE MAN: Your post's concluding statement I vehemently agree with, and it's necessary to drive this point home to deprogram too many as to their thrall to the military and its presumed "glamour." Bodies of babies or anyone really, decimated by these latest weapons is NOT glamour. It is sadistic, depraved indifference to life, and given that LIFE IS A SHARED CREATION (Author Paul Brenner, M.D. used that title) a tear in the fabric of it all.
I work next to an Army Recrueters office, and most of the people they seem to sign on fall squarely into the stereo type of video game hero. It's sad really.
You don't have to worry about this generation. Most of the physically wounded are of no use, and the mentally wounded will end up in prison for long terms.
After all they are expendable and have been expended.
This is shameful, but the facts of this society. It treats us all like something to be used by the ruling elite. That is our place; fight it to survive.
Very conflicting and difficult to think about the military. My favorite uncle was a career soldier: went in as a buck private, came out as Lt. Colonel 30 years later, flew MediVac heliocopters in Vietnam. He married my aunt when she was 17, and they stayed married until he died & was buried in a military cemetery in south Alabama. Their two girls are career public school teachers. He never spoke any crap about patriotism, freedom, or "democracy; the military was just where he wanted to be. He may have been used in hateful enterprises, but he was not a hateful person.
God bless your uncle. I found my son and son-in-law turning to military when they gave up hope on their attempts to get back to employment status after being unemployed for a long time. Today's times are just so desperate on economic and foreign policy matters that the younger will do almost anything in desperation thinking that it will help them and then they take the fall for it all.
Generation Kill? How about this?
My husband and I tried to keep our son and son-in-law from joining the military but the longer they were kept unemployed and the more they got turned down interview after interview despite their best and honest attempts, the more they felt that they had to join. And they even argued against my husband and engaged in a shouting match the day before they left. Two years later, they called and apologized and only shortly after that, they lost their lives.
Currently, my husband and I are facing a similar but not as hostile situation trying to stop our daughter from going crazy and thinking that putting her SS money in "personal accounts" will help her pay her bills. She even argued against me saying "It's my money and I'll do what I want with it and I don't want you and daddy paying me just because I'm earning less and facing some economic hell ! I can take care of myself and my children so leave me alone already ! If I have to kill myself because I go broke, well you'll just have to move on just like you did with my brother and my husband !"
I fear that our younger folks are losing control and our country will fall into an endless chasm at this rate.
Sioux Rose
Marlene: I feel for your loss. I have not finished Naomi Klein's book and wonder if she mentioned that depleted economies are another form of Disaster Capitalism in that "the military option" becomes one of the only financial routes to theoretically "getting ahead." Perhaps it might better read getting A head. I tried to talk my daughter out of buying a condo in South Florida a few years ago, now it's depreciated to half what she paid. Nice start for a kid straight out of college who worked hard to try to get a career going at a very tender age. The leaders who deregulated betrayed this generation on MANY levels, and we have not yet gotten to the greatest count of all: the possibility of perpetuity, which is to say the dereliction of duty when it comes to wise GREEN solutions for not only America's economic engine, but for the sustainability of the ecosystems human life (and its counterparts in other kingdoms) relies upon.
Thanks Sioux Rose,
I love your posts especially when you discuss the spiritual side of things. It just hurts my husband and I that our young who are going to ultimately determine the present and future of this country are getting mugged either by the military or by Wall Street. My daughter did apologize a few days later for some of her mean remarks on dying and putting us into further grief but I still have to talk her out of her madness. We tried to tell her to read reasonable books such as the one you're reading but she says she doesn't have time yet she seems to have time to read books written by the economic scammers into getting rich fast. I got to see her books and I noticed that over half of what they sugar up depends on the good stuff being there in the first place. These get rich quickie scam books are like telling us to run a plane on empty fuel ! I'm taking some of the pointers teddy wrote earlier in helping us find ways to convince our daughter out of madness and she seemed to have softened a bit. She's usually not the type to be so obtuse even when she is almost hell bent on committing suicide unlike my other two so maybe there's hope and we'll keep fighting for her life no matter what she throws at us out of madness because we love her and her children. If I have to use my social security checks to help her out because she's not getting her husband's military benefits as she's supposed to, so be it !
So much about what you write tears at me.
There is your daughter, who is in so much trouble, and yet is unable to see that the very people who put her there are exactly the people she is turning to for advice. What does she think that advice will eventually reap? She has already been scammed to deadly effect (as have you).
There are your boys, who only learn of their error when it was too late.
There is a whole nation, who cannot see it's way to helping families like yours who have paid so dearly. Indeed, we see Repugs, and even some Dems, who just see everything apart from direct war weaponry and active duty as 'too expensive'.
Cannot this nation see that it is even more expensive to leave people like your family flapping in the wind?
If I belived in a God I would pray for you. As it stands I can only continue to write and protest and work to bring about changes to a whole society that seems to have lost it's way.
One tragedy can and often does lead to another. A couple of years ago, a man who protested the war in Iraq in our neigborhood was shot to death by his military wife after she returned and heard about her husband's protest. She thought that he was against the troops and against her even though he made it clear that he wasn't. One year later, her home was foreclosed since she was unable to find a job and her husband was no longer alive to help them pay for their home. She was treated as a mental case but although she didn't go to jail, her killing of her husband out of madness continued to haunt her. Last month, she killed her son and herself. Crazy as it is, this kind of family ripping apart is considered "normal" out here in Tulsa.
That's an eloquent follow up to the Generation Kill story line. Many of them can't seem to get enough of killing, "the lads relish it!", and even carry it back home to their families if they think for a moment that a loved one at one time protested the carnage they willingly participated in. Gotta kill anyone in sight that doesn't love all that murder we're doing in Iraq or anywhere our brilliant leaders decide we must invade and occupy! Then, after no particle of reality can dare be faced, it's on to more murder and finally suicide. That encapsulates what this country has been turned into, under the influence of murdering criminals like Bush, Cheney & Co.
The neighbors who were staunchly pro-war always harassed that man with death threats such as "You should be proud that your wife is fighting for our freedom. She should divorce you or better yet kill you !" I tried to report one of them when I found an actual written death threat but the cops wouldn't even hear any of it. I guess she came across them and found out and then was ready to do the unthinkable. Too bad she didn't get anything from serving other than a mental record to keep her from getting a job.
When I see the effects of the worship of the real pagan divinities of Mars & Pluto, the demons of war & wealth respectively, it pushes me back to the love of the one who spoke the Beatitudes, no matter how often the devotees of power & violence & security try to wrap themselves in his robes.
GK remind me of nothing so much as Dostoevsky's "Demons", but without the empathy for other people. It also calls to mind "The Exorcist", where the image of the demon that possesses Linda Blair comes from Iraq.
Sioux Rose
MARLENE: Thank you for acknowledging my post(s). Parenting is a strange thing. What helped me a good deal were the wise words of Edgar Cayce. He called "family life the hotbed of karma." And John Bradshaw, in the book "Homecoming" stated that about 90% of American families are dysfunctional.
My children don't listen to me too much either. I think that's the nature of the parent-child tie except in those authoritarian households which were explained by George Lakoff as well as John Dean. This is a very tough time for our children to come of age, they were taught a "separate reality" from a pervasive media flashing its counterpoints to OUR wisdom, 24/7. I remember when Reagan was encouraging children to TELL on their parents, if their parents used "drugs." One of my daughters mocks my financial prudence, that I live sort of "off the grid," but CONSTANTLY needs financial help because she bore two children inside of a very unstable bond. We do learn by experience, and unfortunately negative experience is one of karma's best instructional tools. How many of us reach out to TOUCH the bench when there's a sign ostensibly stating, "Wet paint." There is this human Pandora-opening-the-box "need to know."
Strange perhaps, by analogy, but I am bonding with my new puppy and I watch his EAGERNESS to learn. It has taught me that every sentient creature has an enormous need and desire to learn about its world. IF only our world was maintained as the veritable Eden delivered to us. Instead, human beings have too often made war, and now this beautiful planet like a gorgeous woman caught with small pox, is mired in scar tissue everywhere.
One thing I try to practice (I am not yet adept at it) is unconditional love. It is so hard NOT to be the critic when we see someone we love doing the equivalent of banging their head against the wall. I do believe that our true identity comes from the soul level, an inviolate portion of the being that takes on the body (bodies) for the purposes of learning. Without that understanding I would not be able to reconcile the extremes of injustice so blatantly at play in our world. At least with the long arm of time recycling, karma has a chance to play ultimate "decider."
Nice chatting. Sioux
I am extremely sorry to hear of your loss.
There is something so very dangerous that underlies a system that sees people joining its Military forces, even if such might be against their principles, because it seen as the only way one can earn a living .
Such can be seen throughout history and in the world today in nations with the worst of human rights records.
That danger is the "Citizen Soldier" begins to see themself as more loyal to the paycheque and the Institution paying them , then they are to principle and conscience.
Underlying this is fear and the exploitation of it. The fear of living in poverty and becoming destitute. The fear of failing ones Children as a provider.
Fear OF the future, rather then hope FOR a better future then becomes the driving force in that society .
One tragedy can and often does lead to another. A couple of years ago, a man who protested the war in Iraq in our neigborhood was shot to death by his military wife after she returned and heard about her husband's protest. She thought that he was against the troops and against her even though he made it clear that he wasn't. One year later, her home was foreclosed since she was unable to find a job and her husband was no longer alive to help them pay for their home. She was treated as a mental case but although she didn't go to jail, her killing of her husband out of madness continued to haunt her. Last month, she killed her son and herself. Crazy as it is, this kind of family ripping apart is considered "normal" out here in Tulsa.
These spiralling deaths are part of the total of this cruel madness, but won't be reported as such.
Sadly, putting women in uniform has had the opposite of the effect it was intended to have. Far from enhancing humane qualities of men in war, the dehumanization spreads to places where it never reached before.
Dear Marlene: just read your post. Mere words cannot express my sorrow for what your family has suffered. Your daughter's statement (I also read your other post that she apologized), eerily reminds me of a heartbreaking story that took place in California in the mid eighties. A military family was struggling to make ends meet and the teenage boy said something like "I'll kill myself if it would make things easier for my family". He made good on his word and he hung himself.
I feel a sense of rage that the so called "masters of the universe" that ran the economy into the ground had betrayed so many families like yours. I even feel more rage that they will be rewarded for their nefarious deeds by your tax dollars and mine, while your family and so many others have to suffer in silence.
I wish I could make things better, but I'm going through some very painful financial and other personal difficulties myself these days; but just know that your family is in my heart, thoughts and prayers. Thank you for sharing your post.
Your daughter is most likely suffering something similar to returning soldiers suffering from PTSD even though she did not fight in the war. Don't ask her this but I'm guessing that had her husband not signed up in desperation, she wouldn't have turned mad at life the way she's doing now. Did she support the idea of SS privatization before she lost her husband? If not, you may have some chance of convincing her back out. Wall Street is counting on growing desperation of Main Street to cave in and I'm afraid she's falling for it. You will have to find a way to convince your daughter that while you're also upset that she lost her husband, destroying her own future or her children's doesn't solve anything other than make it easier for Wall Street to keep getting rich at her expense. Wall Street does not care if the families on Main Street are suffering from war, unemployment, bankruptcy, etc ... In fact, that's what they want to happen.
Do it for money or for blind patriotism, if it's wrong, it's wrong. But that said, in my state, there are fewer opportunities for employment unless you want to do a lower paying job and it's life risky. So either people move to cities and suburbs or they join the military. Do you really think the urban area leaders support ending these wars? If that means more people moving back to the growing number of depopulated areas and bringing them back to life, don't count on it. The rich folks might get scared of growing opposition but they're too comfy to pay any attention.
Paul Siemering
It s true that many young americans have been cruelly used in these wars. However it is also true that they have visited unconscionable mayhem on way too many innocent people, in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Maybe the worst part was about the "glamor" of war. I'm still not sure these are sane men talking, or if it's meant as some kind of satire. But if that guy thought hueys and sheridans and cobras are so effing glamorous, he should spend some serious time talking to- no listening to- the victims of those insane killing machines.
the people who operate these machines, and who engage in any kind of warfare, are also driven mad in the process.
really stupid article
Sioux Rose
ABUELO: I totally agree about your version of "therapy" and/or consciousness raising. I can't understand how people can shoot at women and children all because they've been told these "others" are "enemies."
Peter Pike raises an interesting point, or should I say issue, about the insanity from war based on the family killing incident post he reported. Having been a veteran in Vietnam War, I can tell you that I completely understand what she went through. She has been suffering from PTSD to the point where anything even her closest ones try to tell her on opposing the war will most certainly generate a hair-trigger response. And this is why I question some of these anti-war groups. I support their protesting of these wars but what they fail to do is deal with these people suffering PTSD in ways that won't increase their madness. The husband made a grave mistake of risking his life in the process. What he could have done is let her first show off her patriotism and then as a loving husband slowly convince her out of it. I remember when I lost my limbs I kept begging for suicide and first shouted at my wife and her and my parents. They tried to talk me out of my madness but they eventually just let me vent in anger and then committed me to mental help and slowly convinced me out of my madness after I finally had enough of venting my then blind support of "patriotism" by fighting in Vietnam. I will bet that this war in Iraq is even worse as there are more contractors than troops and they're getting paid more and even having some fun while the troops are being left to hold the bag. This is bound to make them even angrier and even more anti-social. We're gonna be in for a long time of trying to cure the madness our troops are likely to have on society for what our pols sold them and us out on.
My generation was spared Vietnam, thanks to the courage of the protestors & those men who came back & told the truth about the war & obliged Nixon to scale things back; otherwise, I'm sure we'd still have troops there.
More responsible than the pols were the major corporate media, all of whose reporters were busily waving flags & re-minting slogans & postures from "the Good War"; and the elder reporters ought to have known better, but there were none at all, not one.
A couple of days after September 11, I was in a department store, and the lone clerk in the men's department was a man over retirement age, who had been in the Korean War. "I hope to heaven they don't use this as an excuse to go to war, but I'm afraid that's exactly what will happen."
I consider anybody who enlist to go kill third world people a wandering shred of half-human being. Those guys are total losers and I do NOT have to understand them. What a stupid title!
The human species generates a lot of waste, particularly in the male gender, and they find great opportunities in all the military of the world. You go to war because you must not because you want. You go to war as the a citizen cornered by extraordinary situations. There's no other choice. That is excusable. I will always blame draftees. From the moment you enlist, knowing that you will NEVER fight for freedom or for your country, but will instead murder third world people, mainly because you want and you can, your life become irrelevant. I simply don't care about what happens to the citizens of the richest country on earth who have chosen to go kill poor people in the mother of all video game. As far as I'm concerned they can come back mutilated, more stupid than before they left, with any kind of problem, I won't pity them and certainly will NOT give them a job or any help of any kind. I do give ten bucks a week to the same homeless Vietnam vet I see at a light on my way to work.
phorlan,
You are only aiding the enemy with such hate talk. How would you like it if you had no choice but to sign up and join because you couldn't find employment or were deep in debt that you couldn't make it otherwise? Your contempt for the troops and not the perpetrators only serves to allow Wall Street, the corporate media, and the corrupt pols to further smash us on Main Street ! You probably never served or dealt with people who had served only to come back in worse shape than when they joined so shut your mouth !
Would U.S. soldiers relish war if the enemy had equal weapons and training? How much would they relish war if their own families were in the line of fire and were considered collateral damage when killed? The United States needs to fight a full out war on U.S. soil against an equal enemy and then we would see how much they relish war.
The soldiers certainly didn't relish fighting the Wehrmacht and the imperial Japanese troops.
It was one of the neocons -- Michael Ledeen I think -- who wrote with the bravado of every lousy coward, "The United States needs to pick a crappy little country every ten years and throw it up against the wall, just to show we mean business".
Sioux Rose
KAYAKER: Great point about the "level playing field" and how it might deconstruct the so-called glamour of present US war/warfare. (Which is not war-fair by any stretch!)
Paul Siemering
we still hear stories reported by our media as "fierce fire fights" which end up with 100 dead "insurgents" (ie anyone who got killed)
but no u.s. casualties. this is warfare? if you read the whole story paragraph 8 will say that the brave heros were taking heavy fire, and so they called in airstrikes. the airmen with their hellwinders and who knows what weapons bravely facing the ferocious attacks from Afghanistan's mighty air force.
also on the subject of how to "fight" like true cowards, consider the drones bombing Pashtunistan. planes with no pilots guided by soldiers in Wyoming or Nevada, looking at computer screens. bombs away is just a mouse click. In Nevada it's easy. Biut the people who get hit are real, and really dead.
Why do we call these military exercises "war?" These are not wars as much as economic wind falls for American business.
Wars ought to be fought only for protection; but wars fought for profit, prestige, principle and power are criminal endeavors.