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The Israeli Smashing of Gaza and International Silence
I knew that 1026 of the 1330 who were killed in the Israeli attacks on Gaza were civilians. Of the 1026 civilians, 282 were children, 111 women, 168 civilian policemen and 501 civilian men died in Israeli bombings. 274 have been classified as combatant deaths.
I knew that the estimates for the cost of reconstruction to the destruction done by Israeli bombing is over $2 billion. After seeing the destruction in Gaza City, I thought I would be prepared for North Gaza. I had heard the damage done by F-16s and tanks was substantial, but I was stunned by the large number of apartment buildings and industries that had been blown up and destroyed by the Israeli military in the northern Gaza border region with Israel.
The Israeli military destroyed virtually everything in a corridor along the border in Jabalia and forced the evacuation of Gazans back into the center part of Gaza, a tiny area 45 kilometers long and 8 kilometers wide. Homes and factories were leveled and tens of thousands of citizens were left homeless. We saw five tent camps that had been set up by relief organizations. Living conditions are spartan.
Nahed, a project manager for Palestine Medical Relief Society, guided us through the wreckage of North Gaza. We visited one of the four primary health care facilities PMRS operates, with an overworked staff trying to cope with the medical and emotional challenges of those who have returned to their bombed out homes with family members dead or injured.
37 Members of One Family Killed as Israeli Military Orders 150 into a Building then Bombs it
In the Al Zaiton area in northern Gaza, we met with the remaining members of the al Samouni family. The large extended family lived in many houses and some family members operated a poultry farm in the area. After the Israeli army invaded, Army personnel ordered 150 members of the family into one large home and then bombed the home as well as all the numerous homes and buildings of the family. 37 members of the family were killed and many were injured. The Israeli government said the military had made a mistake.
The al Samouni family set up several large tents for the numerous visitors who come by the area to pay respects. One tent had eight women inside. All had family members killed and wounded in the attacks. We spoke with Ibtessana al Samouni who had two children killed and her husband and daughter seriously injured and are being treated in Saudi Arabia. One of her sons was also injured and is in a military hospital in Cairo. She and her remaining 5 children are living with other relatives in Gaza City. Ibtessana had a glazed stare and kept repeating that no one in her family had done anything to the Israelis. We saw in her eyes the disbelief that some of her children were dead and that she would not see her husband and other children for months. The emotional health of the al Samouni extended family considering the large number of deaths and injuries in the family seemed precarious.
The family area, a section of land about ½ mile by ½ mile was completely bombed. It looked like a huge tornado or hurricane had wiped out the area. The poultry farm was totally destroyed and bulldozers were pushing the rotting chicken carcasses into a pit while we were there.
Life Without Your Home
Dressed in her black abaya, Izbet Abed Rabu told us she and her family of five children and her husband now live in a tent provided by the United Nations after her home was destroyed in Jabalia, northern Gaza. She showed us her two story concrete block home that was flattened into rubble. Her eyes teared over as she said she was lucky. No one in her family had been killed in the Israeli naval shelling and rocket attacks, but her neighbors had been hit hard. Two neighboring families each had three family members killed.
Izbet pointed to the white tent provided by the United Nations and said that after two weeks they still have only blankets, but no cots or any "furniture" inside the tents. With the night desert temperatures falling into the low 40 degrees, she said her four children are cold. The children are not yet in school.
Industries Systematically Destroyed
There are few industries left in northern Gaza and the Israeli military destroyed 10-15 of those remaining industries including two cement companies, a dairy, gas station, an aluminum recycling company and a health products company. The production capacity of Gaza has been severely impacted by the Israeli warplanes.
Agricultural Lands Purposefully Destroyed
We walked in the agricultural lands mangled by Israeli tanks that had been positioned in the fields near the medical clinic. The fruit trees in one field had been completed knocked down and bulldozed over. Olive orchards throughout Gaza were systematically destroyed by Israeli tanks.
Schools Destroyed
Close by was Khalil al Noubany High School that had been used by Israeli soldiers. To secure the building they blew holes in it setting part of it on fire. The remaining part was occupied and used to fire on any one remaining in the area. The Israeli soldiers trashed the school. They left h military trash everywhere. School books and supplies had been thrown on the floor and walked on in virtually all the classrooms. It was quite obvious that they soldier had intentionally damaged the insides of the classrooms and purposefully destroyed books and educational materials. The headmaster of the school, who arrived as we were looking at the school, said that the school had served 550 girl students in the morning and 530 male students in the afternoon. She told us that the school is so severely damaged that it cannot reopen this year and students are having to travel to the few remaining schools that are open in Gaza.
Later in the day while he was serving double duty as a Gaza government official at the Rafah, Gaza border crossing, Mr. Ahmed Ayes Alnajjar of the Ministry of Education told us that 7 schools in Gaza were totally destroyed and 135 schools were substantially damaged.
The Prison Called Gaza
We left northern Gaza and headed for the Rafah border crossing with Egypt. We had to be across the border into Egypt by 5pm as the Egyptian government was closing the border. If we did not exit Gaza by 5pm we too would be imprisoned in Gaza until the border crossing reopened-which might be months. So after only 48 hours in Gaza, we were forced to depart.
On the way to the Gaza border, we stopped to see a few of the 1500 tunnels that Palestinians have dug since the borders of Gaza were closed and the siege began. Palestinians have been locked into the prison called Gaza for the past sixteen months.
Bombing Tunnels With a Blind Eye
The tunnel area is in plain sight next to the Egyptian border. It is a surreal scene. Buildings behind the tunnel area have been bombed and are destroyed. Trucks and cars are parked under the remaining roofs of a large bombed out fresh air market-- ready to move goods from the tunnel area.
Mounds of fresh sand are everywhere indicating that tunnels are still being dug. Generators hum providing air into the tunnels and powering the cables that pull loads of every imaginable type of goods from vegetables, canned goods, bags of rice and sugar, merchandise for hardware stores, etc. through the tunnels to the surface on the Gaza side.
Every tunnel is surrounded by barriers made of light fencing covered with large plastic bags. Young men are busy hauling up goods that have been brought through the tunnel from Egypt.
The tunnel "managers" we spoke with were surprisingly open in allowing us to come into the areas and talk with them. They said that about 900 tunnels have been destroyed or partially damaged by Israeli bombs. Most are being rebuilt, despite the almost daily bombing by Israeli war planes. The tunnels we saw had openings about 4 feet across. The entry holes were from 50 to 65 feet deep and the tunnels were 500 to 1,000 feet long. One tunnel opening was built with concrete blocks and another opening was built with wood.
The tunnel manager said that to rebuild a tunnel that has been blown up takes about half the time to reopen and digging a new tunnel. The tunnel areas are little cities with electricity, water, food and coffee at each tunnel entrance.
Tunnel digging is about the only employment for young men in Gaza. They earn 100 shekels ($25) per day for digging in the tunnels. One manager said many tunnel diggers had died when the reinforced sand tunnels collapsed during construction. But young men continue to risk the dangers as tunnel construction is one of the few jobs available to them.
While we did not see the other end of the tunnel operation on the Rafah, Egypt side of the border, it is inconceivable that Egyptian authorities do not know where the tunnel openings are. All they have to do is to follow the parade of trucks loaded with merchandise that come into Rafah, Egypt.
After coming through the border we stopped in Rafah, Egypt to see what the smuggling town was like. The police presence was tremendous. We had barely gotten our bags out of the taxi when a policeman was at our side asking why we were in Rafah. We replied that we were hungry and wanted to get something to eat. We stopped at a small falafel stand and for the next hour were watched by police. As one of us would go to explore the main street, police would follow in the distance. They definitely did not want us straying off the main road and back into the houses and businesses where the tunnel entrances are.
It is remarkable that all the tunnels haven't been bombed. With the sophisticated satellite views, cameras from drones, tethered radar and surveillance balloon and the $32 million tunnel detection equipment provided by the U.S. government, the Israeli, Egyptian and United States' governments know exactly where the tunnels are.
But, closing the border provides Egyptian and Israeli businessmen a tremendous opportunity to sell goods to people in Gaza at very high prices. No doubt, Egyptian and Israeli government officials are paid to turn a blind eye to the tunneling and "smuggling." Determining who profits economically from the occupations and sieges is fascinating. A new Israeli website www.whoprofits.org tracks who profits financially from the occupation and no doubt profits from the blockade and will profit from the rebuilding of destroyed Gaza.
Israeli bombing of tunnels is, of course, only on the Gaza side. No one is bombing the entrances to the tunnels on the Egyptian side of the border.
The tunnel economy means that for the ordinary citizens of Gaza, where there is a 70% unemployment rate and where over 900,000 of the 1.5 million in Gaza are on United Nations rations, closing the border and forcing commerce through the tunnels they pay exorbitant fees for every item brought through the tunnels.
SILENCE from the International Community
The sights we saw in Gaza were tragic-a goliath Israel pounding a small Gaza David with international silence and complicity in the 22 day military attack on Gaza and on the 16 month siege of Gaza. 1330 Palestinians have died, 5400 have been wounded and hundreds of thousands with memories of the bombings and invasion and occupation. Over $2 billion will be spent on rebuilding destroyed homes, businesses and factories. And there is SILENCE!!
Smashing of Gaza is a War Crime
I deplore the use of rockets against Israeli towns by Hamas and other groups in Gaza which have killed approximately 20 Israelis.
But, as a military officer who taught the Geneva Conventions and the Law of Land Warfare in US military schools, I fully believe the disproportionate response by the Israeli government and military in the smashing of Gaza is a violation of international law and a war crime.
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Show AllWhat can a person say? Yet another war for nothing. If the tunnels are still functioning, and seem not to have been hit at all, and Hamas is still there - bloody but unbroken - than what was the point of the war at all.
An excuse to test weapons? A way for the party in charge to score political points? A way to prove that there is no justice in the world?
The point of the war was NOT Hamas. The point of the war was to make life in Gaza as miserable as possible. The point of the war was to create a climate of fear during the elections. The point of the war was to exterminate as many Palestinians as possible. The point of the war was just plain GENOCIDE!
The point Israel made to the world is that they can get away with murder and no one can do anything about it as it has the USA in its back pocket to shit on.
Yes, the point of the war appears to have been an irrational Israeli mental explosion to kill as many Palestinians as possible, while focusing, all the time, on Hamas "terrorists." Which rationalization both justified and permitted the overpowering violence. Anyone ever involved in violence knows it is rarely pure. And in this case the Israelis found many rationales for unleashing their torrent.
The Palestinians suffer. The world looks away. And Israel takes another step further to the right, leading....... to what? A maniac state unconcerned with the rest of the world, run for and by closed off fundamentalists?
Thank you, commondreams, for this excellent article, Colonel Wright is yet another courageous voice trying to make us understand what our $15 million dollars each day to Israel is buying. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/cost_of_israel.html
Ben Linder, Rachel Corrie: presente!
I saw your web site. What an eye opener. At the end it was said that as of 1997, the US taxpayers gave each Israeli citizen $23,240.00. So far, I and my wife got $600.00 in the last stimulus during the Bush Reign.
It looks like the US Government now owes my wife and me $45,280.00 just to put us on par with Israelis.
Does Zionism pay? Apparently it pays pretty damn good.
And they will keep giving the same amount of money in this recession while the US citizens worry about how to pay their next bill.
how about the milking of the holocaust
that is a cash cow that keeps on giving
in compliance with its nwo masters it is hard not to notice how every other movie or tv show released these days is about how brave the jews were against the nazis
even james bond is a jew these days
russia lost over 20 million people in ww2 because hitler hated them
where are their memorials
maybe they have too much decency to pass the hat over the deaths of their citizens - maybe they feel it is not an appropriate business opportunity
cheers, b
bryanD. And on 9-11 when Arab Islamic Terrorists slaughtered thousands of Americans, there was ONE HERO, out of the blood, agony and death, one, count 'em one HERO was Born!
Jeremy Glick. An American Jewish Super-Hero who Courageously Died fighting the Arab Terrorists on September Eleventh!
Oh, Thank You! From Topekah, Thank You!. azjoe.
And let's not forget there were Zionists during the thirties who believed Hitler and the Nazis had some good ideas. Of course, the anti Semitic aspects of fascism were troubling. And those Jews who admired Hitler never anticipated it would go so far......
Yes, I agree. Israelis seeking to commit their ethnic cleansing under the mantle of the Holocaust should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
$140 Billion in "aid" since the 1950's!! For a nation of 6 million people!!
What a world of grief this flyspeck of a nation has caused.
Damned right it's a violation of international law.
Damned right it's a war crime.
But the legal and political mechanisms which might protect the Gazans remain idle.
When will the moral imperative overcome political inertia?
When I was a young man, conflict of interest was the kiss of death for a job, and committing a war crime could get you killed or put away for a long time.
Now, I am an old man and conflict of interest and war crimes seem to be a job requirement! Puts you on the fast track for wealth and power, apparently.
Pity We the People of the world, for we are, as Hamilton put it, "The people of no particular importance."
Sioux Rose
What's so tragic is the rhetoric of (false) righteousness has pumped up the Israeli people to displace ownership of their own carnage and in fact vote in yet another warrior-fool pretending to act (using aggression, which ALWAYS boomerangs) on behalf of the nation's security!
It is a MADNESS to equate militarism with security. THIS is the great evil that is seducing cultures and leading to the inevitable escalation of violence, a disease spreading around the globe.
In some respects, many Israelis are fueling their own role in the dastardly "End Times" prophecy!
I would not consciously elect to live in a place that's surrounded by real and imagined enemies. However, the type of mindset situated in such a zone is likely given to fear. Always to (falsely) legitimize any basis for conflict, the "other side/team/enemy" has to be frequently described in less-than human terminology. American troops are taught this, too. Thus there is a severe incapacity to see self in other, to recognize that actions taken to obliterate a people can NEVER return upon the perpetrators the decency they've shredded, robbed from others.
Nor is this lesson limited to Israel. The United States, in setting a precedent for an all-out war of aggression, in direct violation to The Geneva Conventions and the "law of war," pretty much paved the way for other aggressive nations to do likewise. Bush set a disgusting example, and Israel will not be the only ones to emulate it.
Like many in this forum, I am outraged and depressed over seeing so much waste, carnage, and BAD policy being executed in administration after administration. The economic unraveling may prove our deliverance, particularly if it disables the war-machine, and cripples the reach of the Beast. If so many millions were not made hungry (as a result of pro-war policy and failed rabid global corporate capitalism) they would cheer this development!
"I would not consciously elect to live in a place that's surrounded by real and imagined enemies. However, the type of mindset situated in such a zone is likely given to fear. Always to (falsely) legitimize any basis for conflict, the "other side/team/enemy" has to be frequently described in less-than human terminology."
Hey, you haven't consciously chosen to live there, you were just born there.
Can't imagine what it must feel like having to peel back the layers of indoctrination that tells you your country is right regardless. We mainly got rid of that a generation before me. I'm in my 50's and as Europeans we know about war from being on the receiving end, OK, we were the ones dishing it out to ourselves.
"The total number of casualties in World War I, both military and civilian, were about 37 million: 16 million deaths and 21 million wounded. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 6.8 million civilians. The Entente Powers (also known as the Allies) lost 5.7 million soldiers and the Central Powers about 4 million."
This has mainly brought about a mindset that will only tolerate war in extremis, if ever.
Come and live on a civilised continent!
Where is the stickout tongue smiley when one needs it.
Excellent post, Sioux!
You always keep it on the high road. Happy Valentine's Day.
Sioux Rose
READY: I feel like the character in one of those rooms where the walls and ceiling are all coming at them at once... i.e. pressed for time! Happy Valentine's Day to you, too, kindred spirit.
For these great sins of commission and omission the Lord God has set a Great Plague
upon Israel and upon every supporter of this Zionist genocide. He has frozen our banks.
As long as Western politicians (and part of the public) consider an outpost of civilisation (or foothold in case of invasion/war), it's anything goes for Israel. I really hope that soon there'll be a wind of change and the Palestinians get the international support they deserve after 60 years!!!
The image I will retain is of the monkey house withing the Gaza zoo in which a mother and offspring lie dead inside a jar hiding in vain from israeli bullets. Sadly they are probably better off dead since they are the first victims of sanctions(as were the imprisoned animals inside the Iraqi zoo) and human depravity.
"To be humane is to be cruel, vicious and unrestrained, like humans.
To be inhumane is to be compassionate, restrained, moderate, like non humans."
Olive trees are obviously dangerous.
Shooting Kassams at Sderot is going to roll the clock back to 1948, and replace the outcome of that war with something more favorable to the Arab side.
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You run an animal down in the street, leaving a bloody hump behind you. Deliberately. Then you mask what you've done. No, it ran into you, probably on purpose. It's no stretch that use of DIME and white phosphorous were experimental, genocidal, criminal. The image of the monkeys in the zoo hiding in their jar is very saddening. Self-righteousness is a powerful, cloaking thing. 1026 of the 1300 dead were non-combatants, civilians.
Bring America Back !!!! Well Ann Wright, you are just plain wrong with your 'Silence' gambit !!!
*Check yesterdays blogs in here and you will find a massive college and university mass movement in Great Britain, protesting and lamenting the cause of the Gazans !!!
*The Secretary General of the UN personally reprobated the Jews for their over bearing attacks and slaughter, and this was while they were still in Gaza !
*There was a censure vote of nations at the UN, which the USA vetoed as it always does for little sister Israel !!
*Venezuela and Bolivia withdrew their consulates from Israel over their anger at the Gaza invasion.
Please check your facts better, Ann Wright, before making this kind of a blanket argument since there is very much a world condemnation of Israel about this Genocide ! Oh, and by the way, that condemnation extends to us as Americans as well, since our Leadership does the 3-monkey trick on all matters of Israel !!
*****Guess what inspired the Zionists to finally leave Gaza ??? It was the official inauguration day of the new American president, or did your military minded training not permit you to observe that either !!!
SILENCE, NOT !!!!
While I am one of those Brits protesting, I fear you underestimate the level of realpolitik here.
It suited the Barak administration for this embarrassing situation to be finished by the time inauguration Day came around, and the Israeli's would in no way wish to queer their patch with a new administration.
I'm a little late to the posting, but one other reason for Israel stopping the slaughter in Gaza was a little story that a boat load of 100 containers of ammo from US stores in Germany was not offloaded in Greece and the Israleis might have been getting low on ammo. Maybe a search of Greek newspapers will tell where that ship wound up.
Folks. It is time to take some action rather than words. If Jews really supported peace and not killing Palestinians and not robbing the USA coffers where is such proff? Ostracize these phonies and parasites and find out if they have sent money to Israel. I and several of my friends have taken to attending their synagogs and temples. We have asked many with "Germanic, Russian and Lithuanian" names within our ranks to infiltrate local Jewish groups meetings and report back. So far our monitoring methods are working.
NOW YOUR JUST LIKE THE STASI...
CONGRATULATIONS!!!
toubibcal What bears repeating every day on Common Dreams and every website is the money paid to the Israeli War Machine? Only when Americans realize the totally disproportionate amount of money being GIVEN not loaned to Israel might there be a sense of outrage. Most sheeple care not how many innocents in Iraq or Afghanistan are slaughtered as long as the costs are hidden.But when the finacial tsunami hits home, only then do they notice.
The money is given to them to buy american weapons, which creates american jobs. It would be more honest and effective simply to give the workers at your arms manufacturing plants welfare,
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http://www.paulmurray.id.au/ageofworms
Dear Israeli High Command and Lowly Grunt Soldier,
You here by are summoned to travel on vacation to any international destination of your choosing where we, the international community, have issued a collective warrant for your arrest and detainment, effective immediately. Please visit Priceline.com or your local travel agent to book a flight and we will handle the rest of your holiday arraignments for you. You worked hard and got your hands dirty during the Slaughter of Gaza 2009, you deserve some time to cool off and contemplate things in a solitary setting. Please do not postpone your well earned vacation or else we will grow increasingly impatient and hunt you down in your own bunkers like the dirty dogs that you are.
Signed,
Everyone Else
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.", Albert Einstein.
Ed note: white phosphorous, dense metal super weapons, nuclear stick-up, missile defense, bailouts and propaganda!!
I have now come to believe, after the past week of obama (who is change i NEVER believed in) making it darn clear he has no interest in going after our own criminal government right here in the usa--That until we deal with our own, paid for by all of our tax money, war crimes and crimes against humanity, we have no credibility in the world.
Again, check out Dahr Jamail's piece on Fallujah.
Sure , we can be outraged and take actions regarding israel's horrors. But i think we need to walk our talk on our hometurf.
Thanks for the tip. I read Dahr Jamail's article, good stuff. I agree we certainly need to walk our talk. Our country has been under the control of a Military Industrial Junta since 1963... and hardly anyones done a thing about it. First, we need to re-frame the arguments. Second, we need to re-frame the arguments. Third, we need to... ah hell let's get started already.
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.", Albert Einstein.
Ed note: white phosphorous, dense metal super weapons, nuclear stick-up, missile defense, bailouts and propaganda!!
A Jew saved many from 9/11. They also saved Jesus from the cross. I consider most zionists and Jews war criminals. Perhaps we should come up with a deck of cards depicting those who have robbed and spied on America. Perhaps in some foreign countries, if they are deemed agents and war criminals, a bounty can be placed on each for capture and brought before the ICC. I would be the first to join in the hunt. The Jews sure try to demonize my beloved Jimmy Carter but never Netanyashit, Livni, Liebershit or Sharon. Amazing people: they screw Americans and bad mouth our former President,but not one fkg Jew!!
Your "beloved Jimmy Carter"...Get real.
You really talk like a guy (or gal) who is a big fan of Carter. I'm sure he would welcome your thinking and xenophobia. He often speaks of others the way you do.
Building any habitats for humanity with him lately?
Have you?
For anyone couldn't figure it out, this was meant as sarcasm, of course. Being that Carter i can only guess, would not be a man who uses hate speech and talks in obscenities.
DC
The world is silent about Israel, because they are beaten with the "anti-Semitic" club if they dare say anything. The Zionist control most of the mass media, which is another reason for the "silence". The only place there is dissent, is on the internet. Because of the internet, most of the world now knows the Jewish "Holocaust" is a hoax-scam. There was a real Holocaust, however, it was against German people. The world must NEVER FORGET the Holocaust of Dresden on the night of February 13-14, 1945. By the time it was over the next morning, over half a million innocent people had been burnt alive, and one of the most important cultural centers of Europe totally destroyed. The city had absolutely no strategic value, and no air defense systems as a result. The 'allies' were well aware of the fact that most of the people in Dresden were refugees fleeing Stalin's murderous hordes - primarily old men, women and children. The deliberate destruction of Dresden was undoubtedly a premeditated war crime - perhaps the worst massacre in history. The rense website has several good links about the Dresden Holocaust, which I've pasted below. I highly recommend reading them all, so you will understand just how serious it was. More people died in Dresden that night than died from the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. More German people died that night than the total number of Jews who died in the labor-concentration camps during the war, which was approximately 300,000 Jews according to the most respected sources of the time. No longer does the world blindly except the big lie about the supposed Jewish Holocaust - the truth is spreading like wild-fire and has gone viral on the internet. The truth about the House of Rothschild (HOR) is also spreading, and people throughout the world are learning about how the HOR controls almost every government through controlling their central banks and intelligence agencies. The HOR created the Zionist state of Israel, and wrote the "Protocols of Zion". The Palestinian people have not suffered in vain - they are the catalyst to the international revolution, which has already begun. "Intifada" means literally to "shake off" in Arabic, and the world is about to shake off the HOR entity, which has been the parasite of humanity. The HOR and all its supporters will then be rolled-up, and brought to justice. This will happen, but only if all of us do our part by educating others about the truth.
NEVER FORGET!!
www.rense.com/general85/de23.htm
www.globalfire.tv/nj/08en/history/dresden.htm
www.rense.com/general75/dres.htm
www.911missinglinks.com
I don't really buy the "Zionists control everything" argument. I think it's actually the other way around... we control them. I mean they are our strongest foothold in the middle east, most steadfast ally. Look at it this way, they are flying our F-16's, dropping our bombs, and accepting our checks to do it all again. I really think the "Zionist control everything" conspiracy rant is a smoke screen.... designed to suck the real discussion into reverse gear, like so many smoke screens we've seen in recent years.
Where's that quote when you need it, "We see things not as they are, but as we perceive them."??
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.", Albert Einstein.
Ed note: white phosphorous, dense metal super weapons, nuclear stick-up, missile defense, bailouts and propaganda!!
Agreed to some extent, fakedemocracy. In fact, it is such old nonsense, that it does not seem to be worth the bother. However...
I think it is interesting that Dahr Jamail's article on Fallujah was posted yesterday and there are only two others who bothered to post about it. Does anyone know who this guy is? I know him and he is a true hero, in my book.
Bless him!
In regards to israel itself, it pisses me off no end, and it will undo itself. Believe it.
However, i do wish that people would stop with the biblical references. Like David and Goliath and Holyland. That is part of the problem. It is so regressive. Let's grow up already and quit the worship of idols.
That's my humble opinion, anyway.
Bite me! One doesn't have to claim there is a worldwide conspiricy, nor do you have to use the ole blood libel, nor do you have to claim that the Jewish Holocaust never happened, to be against what the isreali's are doing in Gaza. But when you do say stupid things like that your own post looks like it was posted by David Irving (the quack 'historian').
As one person who's cousin was killed at auchewitz because she couldn't prove she wasn't Jewish, I say the huns got what they deserved at places like Dresden. If for nothing else than what those same huns did when the murdered at least ten million civvies in Nazi occupied USSR. The German record of atrocities during the second world war made the propaganda hurled at them by the English during the first world war look like it had been written by the Reich ministry of bloody tourism.
By your logic Tel Aviv should be fire bombed for what Israel has done in Gaza.
Is this what you mean?
azjoe.
No. I don't think that Isreal's government want's to have a war of extermination against the arabs. That is what Hitler launched against the slav's.
I may have gotten a wee bit carried away with the rhetoric, but I'm starting to get a bit tired of the posters who argue that the world is owned/secretly controlled by the Jews. If that were true, than none of us would have heard anything at all about what happened in Gaza. The author of the article wouldn't have been able to travel there at all.
Then again, karma is a bitch. How's the health of the world economy thanks to the 'Reagan revolution' goin'? Countries and people do tend to get what they dish out to others, sometimes it takes a while... Sometimes not.
"Then again, karma is a bitch." This is a fine example how the word karma is misused. Karma is a neutral term.
When I was a small kid growing up in the late sixties, I knew a lab technician named Giselle. She was very kind, always indulging a five year old kid like myself back then. She taught me how to use the microscope sparking my interest in science. I was told that she lived through the horrific bombing of Dresden as a child. What did she do as a child to deserve that? Auchwitz was wrong to be sure, but two wrongs don't make a right. I grieve for Auschwitz, but also I grieve for Dresden as well as Palestine. Does that make me an anti-Semite?
If you'd read the post I was responding to, not to mention other things I've said on this site, you'd know that what I said about Dresden was a reaction to some David Irving fan. Did the people of Guernica deserve to be bombed by the Luftwaffe back in the Spanish Civil War? Two wrongs indeed don't make a right, but let's face facts. Whenever a wrong happens in the world - eg 9/11 - another wrong is sure to follow - eg Iraq. If you buy into the stories of Genesis, the wrong of Jews being enslaved in Egypt led to the wrong of slaughtering the peoples who lived in Palistine when the Isrealites moved back there after wandering in a desert for forty years. What I'd like to know is, can humans stop slaughtering each other for more than a decade? What I've read about our history shows that's pretty doubtful.
"What I'd like to know is, can humans stop slaughtering each other for more than a decade? What I've read about our history shows that's pretty doubtful." I won't argue that.
Dresden was bombed by the usa. So, it would probably make you anti- american.
And Dresden wasn't bombed because of Auscwitz. It was geopolitical.
Never said it was bombed because of Auschwitz. If I'm anti-American, I take that as a complement. There should be more anti-Americans. The world would be a better place.
Winning Ticket, just so you know, i was actually supporting your point, because i happen to agree with your response.
And i said "anti-american" to be absurd. Although, i really think that it is better to be 'pro' something better, than only 'anti'. That being said, i fall into the 'anti' stance myself many times.