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It's as if the dismal economic failure of the last eight years never happened - yet Democrats have, incredibly, been on the defensive. Even if a major stimulus bill does pass the Senate, there's a real risk that important parts of the original plan, especially aid to state and local governments, will have been emasculated.
Somehow, Washington has lost any sense of what's at stake - of the reality that we may well be falling into an economic abyss, and that if we do, it will be very hard to get out again.
It's hard to exaggerate how much economic trouble we're in. The crisis began with housing, but the implosion of the Bush-era housing bubble has set economic dominoes falling not just in the United States, but around the world.
Consumers, their wealth decimated and their optimism shattered by collapsing home prices and a sliding stock market, have cut back their spending and sharply increased their saving - a good thing in the long run, but a huge blow to the economy right now. Developers of commercial real estate, watching rents fall and financing costs soar, are slashing their investment plans. Businesses are canceling plans to expand capacity, since they aren't selling enough to use the capacity they have. And exports, which were one of the U.S. economy's few areas of strength over the past couple of years, are now plunging as the financial crisis hits our trading partners.
Meanwhile, our main line of defense against recessions - the Federal Reserve's usual ability to support the economy by cutting interest rates - has already been overrun. The Fed has cut the rates it controls basically to zero, yet the economy is still in free fall.
It's no wonder, then, that most economic forecasts warn that in the absence of government action we're headed for a deep, prolonged slump. Some private analysts predict double-digit unemployment. The Congressional Budget Office is slightly more sanguine, but its director, nonetheless, recently warned that "absent a change in fiscal policy ... the shortfall in the nation's output relative to potential levels will be the largest - in duration and depth - since the Depression of the 1930s."
Worst of all is the possibility that the economy will, as it did in the '30s, end up stuck in a prolonged deflationary trap.
We're already closer to outright deflation than at any point since the Great Depression. In particular, the private sector is experiencing widespread wage cuts for the first time since the 1930s, and there will be much more of that if the economy continues to weaken.
As the great American economist Irving Fisher pointed out almost 80 years ago, deflation, once started, tends to feed on itself. As dollar incomes fall in the face of a depressed economy, the burden of debt becomes harder to bear, while the expectation of further price declines discourages investment spending. These effects of deflation depress the economy further, which leads to more deflation, and so on.
And deflationary traps can go on for a long time. Japan experienced a "lost decade" of deflation and stagnation in the 1990s - and the only thing that let Japan escape from its trap was a global boom that boosted the nation's exports. Who will rescue America from a similar trap now that the whole world is slumping at the same time?
Would the Obama economic plan, if enacted, ensure that America won't have its own lost decade? Not necessarily: a number of economists, myself included, think the plan falls short and should be substantially bigger. But the Obama plan would certainly improve our odds. And that's why the efforts of Republicans to make the plan smaller and less effective - to turn it into little more than another round of Bush-style tax cuts - are so destructive.
So what should Mr. Obama do? Count me among those who think that the president made a big mistake in his initial approach, that his attempts to transcend partisanship ended up empowering politicians who take their marching orders from Rush Limbaugh. What matters now, however, is what he does next.
It's time for Mr. Obama to go on the offensive. Above all, he must not shy away from pointing out that those who stand in the way of his plan, in the name of a discredited economic philosophy, are putting the nation's future at risk. The American economy is on the edge of catastrophe, and much of the Republican Party is trying to push it over that edge.
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Show AllTime for Congrssional Democrats to start talking about the "nuclear option".
Let's be clear about what this is all about. The "stimulus" bill is pork. Period. We've just had an election. Every Representative and 1/3 of the Senators owe a lot of political favors, and this bill is where they're going to pay them off. Any other effect of this bill is either political posturing or pure coincidence.
We now live in a country whose political and economic systems have been totally corrupted. There will be endless posturing about creating jobs and providing relief to those whose mortgage burdens have become unsustainable, but in the end, the money is going to go to wealthy bankers, investors, politicians, and large corporations.
In my view, PK is correct in his analysis. He also misses the point. He assumes that those in policy making positions have the best interests of the country at heart. After our experience of the last 30 years, this assumption mystifies me. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that the American Corporatocracy's interest in the well being of ordinary citizens or even society as a whole extends only as far as its smooth functioning increasing their take.
In the end, this is not a problem that will be solved by either banks or by the US government. It will be solved when ordinary people back up their demands for action with something those entrusted with the governance of our country understand.
Lock and load...
I am bewildered. I am ambushed daily (now only 4 days) by my neocon boss freshly charged with the latest nonsense from Sean Hannity. My vote for Obama caused all these problems, don't ya know!
Deflation? Inflation? We have put a $3 trillion war, Dubya's drug company giveaway, 8 years of tax cuts and deficits, many years of trade deficits, trillions in bailouts and now the stimulus package on the credit card. How is that deflationary? Who is going to pay for all that? What happens when China decides US T Bills are a bad risk?
You have to blame both parties, going back to fast-track trade relations (Nixon), NAFTA and China. Who decided domestic manufacturing jobs were trivial? Who decided trade balances weren't necessary? Who deregulated the financial sector so Ponzi scheme like bubbles in housing and energy could create temporary wealth for a few people? If you want punishment, its a circular firing squad.
Another problem is automation and new technologies. It just doesn't take as many people to make steel, cars, etc nowadays. Do we shorten the work week as in France? Do we go back to welfare, realizing there are only so many jobs, but many more people?
I really hope that with the stimulus program behind him, Obama looks to best practices in the EU, Japan and elsewhere, and lays the foundation for a green economy with balanced trade and federal budgets, fair wages for working people, and universal health insurance. If it involves some protectionism, state planning, nationalization, or just a return to regulation and Keynesian economics - whatever! The insanity has to end.
BTW, my little company is weeks away from oblivion, and the neocon boss and I are both counting our pennies to see if we can make it to age 62. May God bless the young guys.
I am bewildered. I am ambushed daily (now only 4 days) by my neocon boss freshly charged with the latest nonsense from Sean Hannity. My vote for Obama caused all these problems, don't ya know!
Deflation? Inflation? We have put a $3 trillion war, Dubya's drug company giveaway, 8 years of tax cuts and deficits, many years of trade deficits, trillions in bailouts and now the stimulus package on the credit card. How is that deflationary? Who is going to pay for all that? What happens when China decides US T Bills are a bad risk?
You have to blame both parties, going back to fast-track trade relations (Nixon), NAFTA and China. Who decided domestic manufacturing jobs were trivial? Who decided trade balances weren't necessary? Who deregulated the financial sector so Ponzi scheme like bubbles in housing and energy could create temporary wealth for a few people? If you want punishment, its a circular firing squad.
Another problem is automation and new technologies. It just doesn't take as many people to make steel, cars, etc nowadays. Do we shorten the work week as in France? Do we go back to welfare, realizing there are only so many jobs, but many more people?
I really hope that with the stimulus program behind him, Obama looks to best practices in the EU, Japan and elsewhere, and lays the foundation for a green economy with balanced trade and federal budgets, fair wages for working people, and universal health insurance. If it involves some protectionism, state planning, nationalization, or just a return to regulation and Keynesian economics - whatever! The insanity has to end.
BTW, my little company is weeks away from oblivion, and the neocon boss and I are both counting our pennies to see if we can make it to age 62. May God bless the young guys.
Why do you tell your boss who you vote for? Anyway, good luck.
Joe
Strange, I'm much more worried about inflation: all these newly minted dollars to fund the war, bailout the banks and stimulate the economy. One way to manage this flood is to raise taxes but reports indicate that much of the spending in the new plan is actually in the form of tax cuts, for those in the $90- 250 grand income bracket. This is likely to produce a classic case of a short term remedy turning into long term disaster, with those at the lower end of the income ladder getting the very worst of it.
Huge sums could be raised without all that much sacrifice. Analyists in the State of Vermont worked out that we could add $40 million in revenues at the cost of a couple of bottles of moderately expensive wine per $40,000 increment of individual income. A mere 5 cent increase per gallon of gas would also cover alot of necessary infrastructure costs and help maintain the low rates of consumption that started up when the price of oil soared last year.
The real danger is not large debts and deficits, it's large debts and deficits with no real plans to pay them off!
Trouble is, after eight years and more of Bushology, even democrats have the idea of tax cuts being "a stimulus" ingrained in their minds. However destructive, it seems plausible and is most definately "popular" but really, its no way to run a modern economy.
Its time to REVOLT. Send neocons to the brig.
Send them to HELL.
Pan
Paul is a Good Guy , Cares Cares Cares about People Do YOU
Some Pretty Ugly Talk out there
What this Country needs is more environmental damage , dirtier air and water, higher incomes for the top 1% ,better health care for a few no lawyers except Corporate ones a congress replaced by lobbyists or Republicans and Theocrats ; also get rid of social security, medicade , welfare, unemployment minimum wages , emergency wards , voters rights , get pay only fire dept. and private police departments, all private schools and no taxes with toll roads for all Ahh yes all Unions and minimum wages..
Immigrate to a State where People come last andddd don`t care.
Welcome to South Africa or Haiti GUYS.
Now that is a Conservatives Dream [ Weapons Armory } in every gated community, free hand guns and assault rifles / throw in bullet proof cars ...Hey they have them in Mexico ..can`t get home with the treasure .
Don`t forget CHEAP LABOR [GET TWO} gardeners and a Nanny house fcleaner AKA Slave.
...America
my Dream Fulfilled.
Now thats where I want to live.
And get rid of the Library Local Parks except private pay only or association owned only, keeps riff raff out.
Oh Yah! Vaporize all Gay People and all ethnic groups and religions { just the ones you don`t like ] BUT! you might have to live alone then and who would pick up your garbage Hmmm or fight your wars ... some problems here , they may want you to pay for the damage you did to their lives; go the congress change a law[ only if they are not watching] lawyer deny benifit route. .
Not to worry tune in to Rush [ the violater or the mindless] get the one two three step answers , simplify your life get a simpler mind.
Yah Krugman doesn`t have a clue ,B>S>
Nice complete republican wish list.
You threw me in the end with your comment about Krugman, though. Pretty sure he's with you on this entire list.
Here is your BS stimulus bill:
"The Plum LineGreg Sargent's blog
Latest Cuts To The Stim Package: Head Start, Child Nutrition, Food Stamps Public Transit
I’ve just obtained an internal Senate committee memo detailing the latest cuts being eyed by the gang of Senators being led by Dem Ben Nelson and GOPer Susan Collins. Here is what’s being eyed in the bill right now:
*****************************
Total Reductions: $80 billion
Eliminations:
Head Start, Education for the Disadvantaged, School improvement, Child Nutrition, Firefighters, Transportation Security Administration, Coast Guard, Prisons, COPS Hiring, Violence Against Women, NASA, NSF, Western Area Power Administration, CDC, Food Stamps
*****************************
Reductions:
Public Transit $3.4 billion, School Construction $60 billion
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Increases:
Defense operations and procurement, STAG Grants, Brownfields, Additional transportation funding"
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/stimulus-package/latest-cuts-to-the-stim-package-head-start-child-nutrition-food-stamps-public-transit/
Anyone want to buy a used car cheap? Only 100 thousand for a Ford Pinto.
Have a nice day suckers.
the republicans poison pill
we can only stimulate the economy if it creates PRIVATE jobs
government jobs don't stimulate the economy
OF COURSE THIS IS NOT TRUE
but if we accept it, it is enough to prevent the stimulus from working, and we will go into another great depression
you can multiply the number of churches and religions by ten and your idea of god will dissolve even further - same way - you can talk about stimulus package as much as you want, and if you don't acknowledge what's wrong with the economy - not much can be done / healthy economy can not exist without high wages pressure - and that requires domestic production of all goods and services - amen
edweg
No matter how we stomp and shout
Socialism is the only way out.
What I see as working in the world today. Is capitalism as the vehicle for creating wealth ( people do seem to work most efficiently for their own reward). Coupled with socialism as a means of distribution( an egalitarian society is the most pleasant and strongest). And socialism does not mean irrational compensation but total security and reasonable differences in compensation.
I second that.
Basically, the economic meltdown and what will/will not be done about it is
not the problem, it's just one of many symptoms of the real problem. That is,
we the people no longer have a government. Only the very wealthy and the corporations have a government. It's just that simple.
"It's time for Mr. Obama to go on the offensive........The American economy is on the edge of catastrophe, and much of the Republican Party is trying to push it over that edge."
That's an uderstatement!
As Robert Reich pointed out in a May, 2007 article:
"....the President's supply-side tax cuts are great for America's global investors, who have been investing their extra money around the world - either in foreign companies or in global American-based ones.............Bottom Line:
The Bush tax cuts have delivered for Wall Street but done zilch for America's Main Streets."
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/02/909#comment-15596
To add fuel to the fire, "dozens of banks receiving taxpayer funded loans have been applying for thousands of H-1B visas, while simultaneously laying off those American workers whose tax dollars propped them up."
http://www.economyincrisis.org/articles/show/2431
This is far more than a "betrayal of trust"!
"sharply increased their saving - a good thing in the long run, but a huge blow to the economy right now."
He said increased saving is "a good thing for the long run". At this point everyone should close their powerbooks and stop worrying. BUT, look - he could not resist squealing "a huge blow to the economy right now". Capitalist pig! So let's throw a short term fix at the short term problem, for short term benefit. That leaves the next term exposed to chance, so when that time comes around guess we'll be throwing another short term fix at the new short term problem, for another stinking little transient benefit only to be confronted yet again with another short term problem after that, on and on and on, right? That's how Krugman and far too many more keep their little rackets going at the expense of the people! No real solidarity with the people there!
"a number of economists, myself included, think the plan falls short and should be substantially bigger"
Krugman hasn't thought things through. Let the economy deflate and then the magic starts, call it the "invisible hand of the market". That's right, when times get tough the tough get going, which brings increased value. Umm can I feed "increased value" mumbo jumbo to my hungry kids? Why yes. It means more bang for the buck. The recent economic boom was a massive gilded mammon/power grab by the elites. No benefit there for the people. The present economic contraction is the economic power coming back home to the people. Krugman is blind to the dynamics of the elite's class war aggression because he is required to ignore its existence.
Socialism versus Capitalism or maybe a combination of each would work?? Quite a complicated choice. Differing philosophies with confusing solutions. This is a true Catch-22 dilemma. I haven't seen such signs of divisiveness in my life time, I have to search back in history to find a society so out of step with itself. Of course "Great" societies have life spans and it looks like ours has reached its end. Of course we can debate if there was anything "great" about our our society. Do you think that one of our failures has been to recognize any character traits of "greatness" we as a society may have possessed. Was not the USA the number one place on the planet to immigrate to for a very long time?? This special melting pot that boasted a "free market enterprise system" prospered with a special balance of a country rich in natural resources and the work ethic brought here from the old world by immigrants. Our founding government documents have been imitated by many countries throughout the world. We boasted the establishment of the largest most prosperous, educated, healthy, free, middle class unlike anything the world has ever seen. I think the issue is not about which system is going to work ... Socialist vs Capitalist, it won't matter, if we continue to allow these same two "parties" to control us with the same people year after year running "OUR" lives calling shots that don't reflect our best interests, we will be sunk. Catch 22, you tell me. Power corrupts absolutely! We've been corrupted from within.
we need both capitalism and socialism
capitalism to reward hard work
socialism to reign things back in when distribution of wealth gets completely out of balance
we also need "socialism" ie government to provide certain services , defense, police fire, legal, healthcare, oversight, banking probably too
park service, mass transit, utilities
these are also things that government should provide
ps
privatization of government services, where one contractor is the sole provider of the service is not "free enterprise"
it is just a way to eliminate worker protection and decrease wages
it is still fully funded by the government and therefore is still a "government program"