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Mitchell's Challenge: After Gaza, Five Questions about Palestinian and Israeli Realities
How strange, I thought naively, as I traveled that lonely road toward Jerusalem on a gray winter afternoon: Isn't this part of the land that Palestinians would need for their state? Why, then, in the middle of the Oslo peace process -- barely three years after the famous Rabin-Arafat handshake on the White House lawn -- would Israeli officials authorize construction that was visibly cementing the settlers' presence into Palestinian land?
Twelve years later, these post-Oslo "facts on the ground" have all but doomed the traditional path to peace. The two-state solution, the central focus of efforts to end the tragedy of Israel and Palestine since 1967, has been undermined by the thickening reality of red-roofed Israeli settlements, military outposts, surveillance towers, and the web of settlers-only roads that whisk Israelis from their West Bank dwellings to prayer in Jerusalem's Old City, or to shopping and the beach in Tel Aviv. So dense had the Israeli West Bank presence become by 2009, so fragmented is Palestinian life -- both physically and politically -- that it now requires death-defying mental gymnastics to imagine how a two-state solution could ever be implemented.
Five Questions for an Israeli-Palestinian Future
Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, Obama's respected, fair-minded Middle East envoy, will bring his considerable skills to bear on this ever more daunting problem. It is Mitchell's widely acknowledged fairness that has prompted jaw-dropping comments from some hardline pro-Israeli lobbyists and Christian Zionists who became accustomed, under George W. Bush, to getting whatever they wanted; this in itself is a signal that Obama's approach to the region may represent a genuine break from the past.
To an honest witness like Mitchell, for whom the facts and the aspirations of both peoples seem to actually matter, it may become quickly evident that the traditional two-state solution is now on life support. Seeing that, he would do well to keep an open mind and be prepared to ask some hard questions. Among them might be:
1. What does the unending march of Israeli construction actually mean for a "viable, contiguous" Palestine?
The only way anyone can viscerally understand the thousand cuts inflicted on the two-state solution is by driving through the West Bank. I've crisscrossed this landscape a hundred times since 1994, and never has the hardware of settlements and Israeli military control been so dense. Since the beginning of the Oslo "peace process" in 1993, the West Bank Jewish settler population has jumped from 109,000 to 275,000 -- and this doesn't include the Jewish "suburbs" in East Jerusalem, which bring the total settler population to nearly half a million. Some 230 settlements and strategically placed "outposts" are now strung along hilltops across the West Bank, towering above whitewashed Palestinian villages.
The ragtag outposts, technically forbidden under Israeli law but encouraged by some within the government, are meant to connect with larger settlements to form an everlasting Jewish presence on Palestinian land. It's no longer possible to drive any significant stretch of the West Bank without encountering a settlement, military post, settler road, surveillance tower, roadblock, stationary checkpoint, or "flying" checkpoint. The number of West Bank barriers (roadblocks, checkpoints, and other obstacles) has increased nearly 70% in the last three years, and now exceeds 625 -- this in a land about the size of Delaware.
How all this could be removed in order to create a "viable, contiguous" Palestinian state seems, increasingly, a question without an answer. During the Camp David talks in 2000, and in more recent discussions between Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Palestinian National Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, there was much talk of large, consolidated "settlement blocs" and land swaps to facilitate a contiguous Palestine.
To the extent an unbroken Palestine was ever possible -- and there was much behind-the-scenes debate about this, even among American negotiators at Camp David all the way back in 2000 -- the facts on the ground, placed there deliberately by Israel, have by now made the issue virtually moot. Maps of many would-be "solutions" show the West Bank fractured into pieces, cut up by walls, settlements, military posts, and "security zones." Far from the two-state solution envisioned in the wake of the 1967 war, today's maps tend to look like advertisements for a sci-fi movie entitled "The Incredible Shrinking Palestine."
2. How can a viable Palestinian state exist when a city of 20,000 Israelis sits in the middle of it?
In 1978, Ariel, the city of Jewish settlers, was founded, over U.S. and international objections, in the heart of the West Bank district of Salfit. Fully one-third of it juts onto Palestinian land. Israel's "security barrier" (known as the "apartheid wall" to Palestinians), which ostensibly follows Israel's border with the West Bank, in fact doesn't; at Ariel it veers east 11 miles to enfold the full settlement in its embrace. For this reason, Ariel's leaders say confidently that their settlement, essentially a bedroom community for Tel Aviv with its own university and industrial park, is "here to stay."
Indeed, the removal of Ariel -- a red line for the Palestinians -- has been mandated in almost none of the peace plans going back to Camp David, including the 2001 informal Geneva peace plan much heralded by the Israeli and American peace camps. That is why Ariel's city fathers feel comfortable in sending its young "director of community aliyah [Jewish emigration to Israel]," Avi Zimmerman, raised in West Orange, New Jersey, across the U.S. to recruit more American Jews to move to the settlement. "It's the ingathering of exiles," Zimmerman told me, standing on a hilltop above Ariel. "You have to make sure there's a constant flow of people."
For Palestinians who live nearby, the existence of Ariel and other settlements makes traveling anywhere a nightmare. Osama Odeh, born in the village of Bidya (which means "olive grinding stone" in Arabic), told me that, if he wants to visit friends in a village five miles away, he must drive east, then south, then west, crossing multiple Israeli military checkpoints where he will have to show documents, open his car's trunk, and face questions about his intentions and past whereabouts. The journey could take an hour. Or two, or three. "It becomes forty kilometers, instead of three or four," he points out. "It's ridiculous. In the name of security, they can turn your life to hell."
For the many villagers without a car, the trip simply becomes impractical, thus encouraging political and social disconnection. "All the time they are expanding," Odeh says of the settlements. "You feel trapped. Villages that have been there for hundreds of years, now they feel like they are fragmented." According to U.N. maps, Palestinians are restricted from entering some 40% of the West Bank, while the major Palestinian cities now essentially function as isolated cantons.
Some Israeli negotiators, including deputy speaker of the Knesset Otniel Schneller, a longtime leader of the settlers' movement, have called upon Israeli engineers to design workarounds. Their answer: a network of tunnels, "flyover" ramps, and bridges to ferry Palestinians under and around the settlements. For Schneller, these concrete fixes would keep a prominent Jewish presence in "Judea and Samaria," while allowing Palestinians ostensible "freedom of movement" through tightly controlled funnels: Not exactly what Palestinians had in mind during the decades of their liberation struggle.
3. What kind of Palestinian state would have its capital in a village far from Jerusalem's Old City and virtually sealed off from huge portions of the West Bank?
Palestinians have always insisted on having East Jerusalem, including portions of the Old City which encompass the Muslim holy sites, as their capital. At Camp David in 2000, PLO leader Yasser Arafat refused an American-Israeli offer of a "sovereign presidential compound" beside the Muslim holy sites. He derided it as "a small island surrounded by Israeli soldiers." More recently, Israeli negotiators have reiterated their intention to hold onto the Old City and its holy sites. They have suggested that the actual Palestinian capital should be located in some of East Jerusalem's Arab "neighborhoods" -- actually, small villages never considered part of Jerusalem by Palestinians, but now incorporated into greater Jerusalem, thanks to the redrawn administrative boundaries of Israeli city planners.
Even were the Palestinian capital to be located in the Old City, its ability to govern the rest of Palestine would still be hamstrung. Since Israel's capture of East Jerusalem in 1967, the Israeli government has built a ring of Jewish "suburbs" around Arab East Jerusalem. Nearly 200,000 Israelis now live there. This ring essentially seals off East Jerusalem from Bethlehem, Hebron, and Palestinian villages to the south.
One of the last pieces to snap into place was Har Homa, a settlement built between Jerusalem and Bethlehem on a hill known to the Palestinians as Jabal Abu Ghneim. I recall seeing the hill from Bethlehem in 1996. By then, Israeli chainsaws and earth-moving equipment had already sliced lines into the hill's conifer forest, giving it what looked like a bad haircut. Palestinian activists, desperate to hang onto this part of the West Bank, had set up a 24-hour emergency camp, pledging not to abandon their peaceful protest until Israel withdrew its claims.
Today, the trees are gone, replaced by long rows of new white houses for Israelis. "This is the last resort from which you can establish the umbilical cord between Bethlehem and Jerusalem," said Jad Isaac, director of the Applied Research Institute, a Palestinian think tank in Bethlehem. "So the construction of Har Homa destroys the peace process. Unless Har Homa is totally destroyed and returned to the Palestinians, there is no peace."
For Bethlehemites like Isaac, the wedge of Har Homa and the other East Jerusalem "suburbs" effectively renders moot Palestinian aspirations for a contiguous state. If any doubt about this lingered, Israel's separation wall put an end to it.
Driven into the land at the northern end of Bethlehem is the 25-foot-high concrete curtain with two narrow, single file pedestrian lanes running beside it. Each is about 150 feet long, framed by steel bars from concrete floor to metal ceiling. These give the few Palestinians with permits to travel from Bethlehem the inescapable feeling of moving through a cattle line. (Actually, Palestinians prefer a poultry analogy, calling the lanes ma'aatet al-jaaj, the chicken-plucking machine.) When I walked through the line, emerging near the southern edge of Jerusalem, I gazed back on the northern face of the wall, stunned at a banner unfurled beneath the gun turret and watchtower. From the Israeli Ministry of Tourism, it proclaims in Hebrew, English, and Arabic, "Peace Be With You."
4. How can you build a viable state by negotiating only with the weakened representative of one Palestinian faction?
Even if the obstacles outlined above were to miraculously disappear, George Mitchell's work could be badly crippled by an outdated American strategy of dealing only with Fateh and its leader, Mahmoud Abbas. Long backed by Americans as a Palestinian "moderate," in the wake of the recent Israeli offensive in Gaza Abbas has lost virtually all credibility among his people. (As of January 9th, he also technically ceased being the Palestinian president.)
Despite the death and destruction of these last weeks, Hamas is increasingly seen by observers in the region as gaining strength in the West Bank, while firmly holding power in Gaza. "The Islamist movement is going to come out of this war strengthened politically vis-à-vis its rival Palestinian factions, including Fateh, and the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah," wrote the shrewd political analyst and former Palestinian labor secretary Ghassan Khatib in a commentary for bitterlemons, a website run by Israeli and Palestinian analysts. He added, "The Israeli war on Gaza, which increased public sympathy with Hamas… [has] further shifted the balance of power against Fateh in the West Bank and left the Palestinian Authority politically very vulnerable."
Indeed, some West Bankers, who hold no brief for Hamas, are echoing the words that many Lebanese said of Hezbollah in the wake of the 2006 war in Lebanon: "They put up a resistance for 22 days -- Fateh leadership did and said nothing," the Palestinian-American journalist Lubna Takruri wrote me from Ramallah this week. "People in the West Bank are still smoldering that while they were watching all these worldwide protests here, Fateh forces were preventing the Palestinians from protesting against the Israelis at checkpoints. This was huge. It made people feel like the PA [Palestinian Authority] was doing Israel's work for them, while Israel handled business in Gaza."
Early signs strongly indicate that the Obama team will continue the strategy of propping up Abbas, with credibility-destroying "help" from the CIA, while refusing to deal with Hamas until it recognizes Israel. Clearly the Hamas charter is despicable: It describes the Jews as aspiring to "rule the world," and declares that the elimination of Israel would be a historic parallel to the defeat of the Crusaders by Saladin.
American and Israeli officials have, however, ignored more subtle signals from Hamas -- which was, after all, brought to power in free and fair elections -- that it would abide by the expressed will of the Palestinian people for coexistence with Israel. One of the strongest signals was the 2006 "Prisoners' Document," initiated by leaders of Hamas and the imprisoned former Fateh leader Marwan Barghouti, that called for negotiations with Israel in pursuit of peace. The Bush administration, siding with the Israelis, who insisted that there was "no partner for peace," chose to ignore such signs and so undermined any efforts toward a Fateh-Hamas unity government.
It would be disastrous for Mitchell to go down this same road. Hamas is here to stay. These last weeks, Israeli dreams of defeating it in Gaza have been shattered, and any attempt to deal only with the rickety shell of Fateh will ensure that the U.S. obtains the same bleak results. The fact is: engaging Hamas will be a much better way of keeping the rockets silent.
5. Given these immense obstacles, is a viable, contiguous, sovereign Palestinian state even possible anymore? And, if not…
Given the overwhelming odds facing a two-state solution, a strong American negotiating presence will be necessary, of a sort not seen since… well, ever. The hallmark of the last eight years (and to a large extent the previous eight Clinton years) has been an utter lack of American pressure on Israel. This has been in no one's interest, including Israel's.
Ehud Olmert, who in 2008 spoke -- apparently sincerely -- of Israel's need to withdraw from "most or all" of the West Bank settlements, received no support from Washington for saying so. In the vacuum of American leadership, Olmert capitulated to the settlers' bloc in his ruling coalition. Hence, the arrival of yet more Israeli facts-on-the-ground on the West Bank. This American administration has to do much better.
The last 16 years have also been marked by an inability to see the Israeli-Palestinian conflict through anything but Israeli eyes. Now, Mitchell will, hopefully, bring a willingness to understand six decades of tragedy through two sets of aspirations: this will be essential if a just, lasting piece is to be forged. This will also have to include confronting one of the most vexing issues of all, that of the 4.4 million Palestinian refugees and the insistence of many of them that they be allowed to return to their original homes in what is now Israel. This is, of course, a red line for Israelis who insist that the "right of return" would mean the end of their state.
Essential for George Mitchell in all of this will be an openness and a creativity absent from American diplomacy since the violent birth of Israel and the Palestinian catastrophe in 1948. Increasingly, small groups of Palestinians, a handful of Israelis, and even motivated outsiders like Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi, are looking at coexistence anew, by exploring the possibility of a third way. The alternatives differ sharply: some call for a one-state solution; others for a binational state; others for an Israeli-Palestine confederation or a Middle East Union.
The words "single state" spark a visceral fear among many Israelis who see this, too, as the end of the Jewish state. But the dreams of what Albert Einstein called the "sympathetic cooperation" between "the two great semitic peoples" are rooted, in large part, in the history of progressive Zionists, who, like Einstein and the great Jewish philosopher, Martin Buber, believed in their bones in a just coexistence. Buber advocated a binational state of "joint sovereignty," with "complete equality of rights between the two partners," based on "the love of their homeland that the two peoples share."
For many, the two-state solution remains, in the words of former U.S. Middle East negotiator Aaron Miller, author of The Much Too Promised Land, "the least bad alternative." But should George Mitchell take an honest look at the immense obstacles now involved in a two-state solution and determine that they are insurmountable, he would do well to remain open to other possibilities, and bear in mind the words of Albert Einstein.
"No problem," said Einstein, "can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."
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Show AllSandy Tolan has written an excellent article. These are the difficult impasses we never hear about. Focusing only on a cease fire instead of the larger, longterm issues will only be a bandaid approach and simply lead to yet another violation of the cease fire, more rockets shot into Israel and more massive Israeli payback.
And it sounds like the Israelies are providing only two options, a direct military confrontation or maintain apartheid conditions, which is a war of attrition for the Palestinians. Then the ultimate ugly but unavoidable question is whether the US needs to be supporting Israel expansionism? Isn't it the same thing as the age old practice of one country taking over another? And if Israel is going to be the aggressor in either a military war or war of attrition, why are we still giving them billions of dollars in aid each year?
Good article, Einstein and Buber quotes are great. I do not see how the two Hamas charter quotes are despicable. zionists are violent anti-Muslim invaders, who are threatening most of the Middle East with their "greater isreal" delusions and are backed by a government on another continent. I do not condone violence, but a Saladan like victory is preferably to the destruction of the original inhabitants by ethnic cleansing. And Hamas's claims that the Jews are trying to take over the world, that is an debatable point. zionists definitely want to take over the Middle East with their "greater israel" aggression. The USA neocons made it obvious they wished to rule the world by force. The zionist have a strangle hold on the USA congress and possibly the presidency. Unless Tolan is privy to the most secret contemplations of the zionists he has no authority to proclaim the Hamas statements as despicable.
I read this article, and then clicked on the one-state solution to see where that would take me ...
The Institute for Middle East Understanding ... Politics and Democracy ...
"The One State Declaration"...
Amazing. It was written just over a year ago and I have never seen Robert Fisk mention it in any of his reports. Or anyone else for that matter until now.
What a wonderful piece of work.
Question 6. Why are Americans content with being hypocrites?
We went to war against Iraq to force them to obey U.N. Security Council resolutions, but Israel gets a free pass to ignore int'l law.
this writer shares the same naivety as many israeli onlookers who wonder geez how can the state of palestine ever get off the ground with the israelis stealing their land faster than the jerk off hand of a fifteen year old sex freak
duh what is going on
duh geez when i travelled here before this part of palestine hadn't been stolen yet
duh duh duh
is this supposed to be taken seriously
duh geez
the israelis are in the process of stealing all of palestine
period
that has always been the plan and they use their bully boy friend the fascist state of america as thier arms supplier and media control agent
the zionists have laid their plans out
let the idiot who wrote this piece do some research and actually develop an understanding of the facts on the ground and leave this duh geez logic for haaretz
start here: http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/
cheers, b
Another thing about Tolan is that he mentions the rocklets as if they were the main problem. This is the fascist excuse for all the horrors visited on Palestine. The rocklets are the reaction to israels CONTINUOUS AGRESSION AND ETHNIC CLEANSING.
Dave --------- Try to be civil -------- "rocklets" is purposeful' I am lifting it from a Palestinian doctor who spoke of the horrors visited on Gaza because of the "rocklets"; get it? small homemade mostly ineffectual rockets. And a subtle reading of the article might be that all the land grabbing was causing the rocklets and that was the main problem; but only Sandy can tell us that.
This article that 'speaks to truth' will definitely not be seen by anybody but those who agree.
Too bad!!!
Sandy's book is a must read also.
But I could be wrong !
George Mitchell is a peacemaker who will be fair to Israel. I trust him.
What about Carter?
Carter is a man of peace, is that why he seems unfair?
From the beginning on, Israel never wanted to deal with the Palestinians in a fair way; they wanted to get rid of them. Talk about a two state solution is more then a sick joke. The goal seems to be a Greater Israel, where there's no room for undesirables. Building up Lebensraum at the expense of the Palestinians seems to be one way of achieving that goal, after all: you can't just use any pretext any time to kill them, can you? Just make their lives so miserable that they move of their own volition.
How about no one gets Jerusalem? It is a world heritage site, sacred to three religions. Turn it over to the UN to administer. Make the Jews take a bus to get there, like everyone else.
How about we build a wall around Israel? It's good enough for the Palestinians, sauce for the goose and all that. Besides, Israel is the ONLY 'country' that won't define it's borders. A wall will help them.
Personally, I think we should take all the dirt that they dropped phosporous bombs on, and du, and transport it to the jewish settlements, so they get the fruit of their labors.
The way I look at it now, Israel is the biggest threat to mideast peace. They have way too many nukes, and, apparently, recently, even threatened Europe. This is not the rhetoric of peace, fer sure.
I'd boycott the US for providing arms to this militaristic genocidal regime, but I live there, and I can't figure out how to do it. I'm too darn poor to move.
I'll keep up the letter writing campaign, tho.
Bread, not bombs!
Peace now!
alwyn, A world heritage site is the right idea, in my own opinion.
And, if the 'religions' could get over themselves, maybe it wouldn't be so deadly (not to mention ironic).
Herman Schmidt
There was mention by one of the commenters that Jerusalem be declared an international city. This was part of the 1947 UN partition plan where the land was divided somewhat equally with Jerusalem becoming an international city. Given that it is revered by the Judaism, Christianity and Islam, it makes sense. The Catholic Church's position for years was just that. In its weakened state, they seemed to have backed off. It is remarkable that Christian sects remains so passive and unwilling to engage in efforts to resolve the conflict. They lack both cohesion and courage, and that has served to encourage the Jews to be ever more aggressive and ever more unwilling to compromise in their relentless push for more land with fewer Palestinians. A viable Palestinian state is unacceptble to Israel and it says it supports one only because it is something in the "future", something that gives them more time to expand. The options now are for Israel to grant Palestians full citizenship within a single state or to push the Palestinians out entirely. By their actions they have already chosen the latter course,and they will only be stopped if it becomes too painful to them to execute. Knowing that this is happening is what makes the world's silence so horrendous.
Besides the land grab, the ethnic-cleansing, the genocide by Government...forget all that, it is the down in the dirt meanness, the petty SADISTIC unnecessary cruelness that is so vile.
I have an interesting question for my friends here on CD. Any thoughts about what would happen if there were no intl. community, just Greater Israel and a few million helpless Palestinians in their midst.
Gaza happened as the world watched. What if there had been no one watching at all?
To be fair, regarding the sadistic unnecessary cruelness, we have our 'own' warriors on the ground in Iraq. And who has been doing all that torturing in 'our name'?
Sometimes i think people seem to forget what our 'heroes', as americans love to call them, have been up to. I have been too active in the past eight years to forget all of a sudden, just because obama says he is closing gitmo in a year.
readytotransoform-Hi, I don't excuse U.S. military massacres, torturing or brutality. This article just happened to be about Gaza.
However I do believe the hatred most Israeli's feel for Arabs is absolute, total, they love killing Arabs, humiliating them. This is an integral part of Israel's collective consciousness and transcends the idiot murdering and brutalitiy of ignorant U.S. soldiers.
PeaceOut.
azjoe -------- Throughout history (and very much USA's; savages, niggers, nips,gooks,hajis) racism has been used by the military in the creating the supposedly inferior "other", thus short circuiting conscience and permitting slaughter.
Glenn, absolutely true.
Azjoe, i appreciate what you are saying, but what i think is that Glenn's point, when considering israel, could be this.
Since everyone goes into the military, then *everyone* must be brainwashed. And israel made itself into a fortress. Not much of a 'promised land', is it?
But truly, i see all fundamentalism as the problem. The state has become the golden calf.
Glenn, readytotransform, Hello. An article in CD yesterday described hundreds of joyous fans at an Israeli soccer game this week chanting, "Why are the schools in Gaza shut down?" "Because all the Children have been Gunned Down!"
This indicates collective pleasure derived from mass baby-killing. It is a public celebration of mass murder.
This reveling in death and children's agonies transcends typical soldier's indoctrinations or atrocities by it's National, Nation-Wide, young and old, civilian and soldier-killer element.
Publicly Celebrating the Death of Hundreds of Children is Sick, Not Soldier-Sick, it is symptomatic of something more insidious. Battles, wars end. It's taking longer to steal Palestine, and it has sickened, diseased Israel's Soul.
You cannot go into the darkness, without it also going into you. Go deep enough and be consumed. The 3rd Reich. The Catholic Church. The U.S., Israel.
Yes I agree zionists have a clutched on to amorallity and delusions to justify their actions but look at their enabler the USA congress. Also my own parents joined the National USA parties after the intensive bombing of Iraq after the First gulf war (Second?). My stepmother,as she watched soldiers disembarking a plane, told a reporter it is like fourth of july and christmas rolled into one.
Yikes, Glenn, that is very bizarre (about your family)..Sorry.
Hey Azjoe, As you may know, because i sometimes make a point of saying this when i speak about israel, i am jewish myself. And i totally don't get it. It isn't about the religion. Personally, i never felt part of any organized religion. I am very 'spiritual' and i believe we are imprisoned by primitve beliefs of our religions. But israel....I agree. It is a wierd cult, and i agree about the catholic church, etc...
I think we are seeing what happens when people live in such a closed system. It's really disturbing. Like they are paranoid schizophrenics on steroids. I am thinking they are holding the world hostage and i don't know how it will play out. I have thought they have more going on regarding the u.s. than pac money. It is much bigger than that. There is a deep symbiosis here. I am actually thinking the u.s. is afraid of israel, and i never thought it before.
But you are right. This goes beyond the soldier stuff. But i know that isn't everyone in israel. There are those kinds of people who would be at a football game in the u.s. But it does seem to be something new. At least to me. If you check out indymedia israel you will see another side to it. Anarchists against the wall, and many different groups. And the refusers, etc.
We will see soon enough. Something is going to happen that we couldn't predict....
peace.
There will never be peace in the Middle East without justice for the Palestinians. That's why George Mitchell is destined to fail, regardless of his magical diplomatic skills.
Why all the accolades for George Mitchell?
And what happened to all the talk of keeping lobbyists out of the Admin?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aa7hdtvtfYxc&refer=home
__In 2002, congressional Democrats tapped Mitchell as vice chairman of the 9/11 Commission. Mitchell and Henry Kissinger, then-President George W. Bush’s pick as chairman, quit the commission’s top posts after Congress required members to disclose financial information and suggested Mitchell may have to sever ties to his law firm.__
Questions, questions. Maybe we should keep Israel and Palestine off Mitchell's aging, wealthy shoulders and our consciences.
And, gosh, more questions.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/PBS_NSA_tracked_911_hijackers_but_0127.html
Herein, i remember being really annoyed with Mitchell and the 911 commission. Thanks for reminding me of why i don't hold him in such high esteem.
To learn more about the Single State solution, one can do worse than start with Joel Kovel. His book, Overcoming Zionism: Creating a Single Democratic State in Israel/Palestine—whose suppression was averted by the protests of Howard Zinn among others—is a lucid account of what has gone wrong in the past and the principles that should guide persons of conscience in the future. You can listen to a 20 minute audio interview of Kovel here.
This is an absolutely ridiculous post by the author. Any negotiation of a two state solution requires concessions of BOTH parties, and narritive of BOTH parties to be understood. While the five point brought up are all valid and MUST be addressed, the author is living in a dreamworld, acting as if only one party is at fault, and only one party, ISRAEL has to make concessions. Truth is, Hamas and the ruling parties have NEVER recognized Israels right to exist. And if you were listening to NPR this evening, a great interview with the Arab TRANSLATOR who tranlated the Oslo Accords between the Israelis and the Palestinians (Arafat)> The Islamic translator admitted that Arafat was offered most agreeable terms, and since they called for the recognition of ISrael, they were shot down. This author borders on anti-semitism, and has no history of this conflict going back to 1948 when the Arabs (Palestinians) were offered MORE than 75% of ALL inhabitable land NORTH of the desert (Negev) to be thier Palestinian state, which Isreal AGREED TO, and get this, the ARABS rejected ! Then Jordan SEIZED this land for 20 yrs, from 1948-67. Of course the author will never point this out. Of course the author will NEVER point out that Israel has offered peace treates to Egypt, and to Jordan, and have signed them, and offered to the Palestinians, but the author does NOT focuse on the self destructive habits of the Palesintians leaders , Hamas, who call for the destruction of Israel, and shelling them continuouly with rockets. So you tell me, WHY does the author ONLY focus on the needs of ONE side (PAlestinians), and not those for Israel ? Answer, because she has been BRAINWASHED into thiking this is like South Africa Aparteid, and that even tho REAL injury is obviously being done to the Palestinians by Israel, much of it self inflicted by their refusal, for SIXTY YRS to take peace when Israel has offered it up. GO do your history. And get your facts STAIGHT about WHOs land this is. In 1939, Palestine was comprise of half a million jews, and one million arabs. about a 2:1 ration PRIOR to WW2, PRIOR to the influx of european jews after WW2. In 1947, MORE than 2/3 of the land was offered to the arabs for their state, which they REFUSED ! so you tell me, WHO has been self destructive, and sabotoged all the peace processes in the past 60 yrs ? Answer. MOSTLY the Palestinians. . Have a good day, and try NOT to be antisemitic... I know its hard, but you can do it.... A person truly interested in peace would acknowlege the damage and desturction DONE by the palestinians over the yrs to Israel, as WELL as all the damage Israel has done to the Palestinaians. TO do anything less, shows you have drank the KOOL AID.
Around 1900 there were a couple hundred Jews in Palestine and then the zionists through legal and illegal emmigration and violence maybe reached the .5 million figure. But also around 1939 the British realized there would never be peace in Palestine if a Jewish state was introduced. So the zionists started to kill the British( King David Hotel, Irgun ,Stern Gang)
Its just hilarious how people PICK and choose their timelines. OK, ILL BITE !!! the year.... 1000bc, the land ISRAEL !!! home of the jews, nearly NO arabs ! so guess what, THE JEWS WERE HERE FIRST ! hey, wake up pal, IT DOES NOT MATTER ! it is what it is, and unless you deal with the realities of the day, you are wasting your time. IN addtion, MORE JEWS lost their homes in 1948 during the partition. Nearly TWO MILLION jews were kicked out of their homes from ALL neighboring arab countries in 1948, and SLAUGHTERED in tunisia, morocco, Egypt, etc etc. This KING DAVID hotel slaughter is such a non starter and a TALKING POINT regurgetated by wanna be PALASTINIANS that masquerade as liberal americans. Get a life, and KNOW your history..
What are you a Rabbi Kahane wannabe? BTW Israel was founded on terrorism by terrorists.
and WE werent' "TERRORIST" when we stabbed, brutalized, killed and defeated the British in the 18th century to STEAL their land and for the united states ? this is too easy... whenever anyone wants to DEMONIZE the other side, like this guy here, they call them terrorists. You failed in your analysis..
You started with a 1939 timeline I merely went back closer to the initial concept of a zionist state. Around 1897, first zionist congress. Now 1000 bc I believe was the time of the Philistines who are the forbearers the Palistinians who have continuously inhabited Palestine since then unlike a miniscule amount of Jews in Palestine. So isreal must have gotten an increase in population of two million jews in 1948? I will check.
the consensus seems to be that some unknown number of up to 400,000 jews fled arab states to israel because of oppression. And we are dealing with now.Now is the time to go to your sixty seven borders and allow the right of return. Likewise the jews should be allowed back into the arab states. Now is the time to forget your greater israel delusion. Now is the time to treat Palestinians as equals.
There are still many Jews in Arab and Islamic states. The largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside of Israel is in Iran. There are plenty of Jews in Turkey there are also Jews to be found in Syria, Tunisia, and Morocco. Many Jews also left the Arab and Islamic states by choice to emigrate to Israel or elsewhere. Muslims recognize Jewish people as people of the book and as the sons and daughters of the prophet Abraham who is also their father. In Muslim ruled Andalusian Spain Jews were the highest courtiers and beloved of the rulers think Maimondes.
Its the Palestinian issue the Muslims are furious over. Islam is a religion where justice is a serious issue.
Islam is a religion where justice is a serious issue?
Where is the justice in stoning a 13 year old girl to death for adultery after she was raped!?!
One thousand people filled up a stadium in Somalia to watch Islamic Justice...that's some justice...
Do creatures like that really exist in the Jewish community?
so all you can do is offer up 3rd grade retorts with no facts? you cannot offer up any refuting of the facts i put forth ? typical of a LOSER and a losing argument... youre disgraceful.
You have skillfully misrepresented many facts in your statements. The 1947 UN partition plan provided that the majority of Palestine would be given for an Israeli state and a minority for a Palestinian state even though the Palestinian population vastly outnumbered the Jewish population.
As to Hamas recognizing Israel please see the second half of Jimmy Carter's interview two days ago.
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10027
You have likewise misrepresented the facts.
The UN partition plan gave roughly 55% of the land to Israel but of that nearly 75% was desert. Palestine would have been the remaining 45% but that land was comprised of very little desert.
Try again....
The Arab-Islamist catechism: The expulsion of 100% of Arab-country Jews was virtuous, because the Arabs were upset about Israel and needed to work out their hurt feelings.
I love it.. excellent comment. The ONE sided Palestinia support them at any cost crowd ignores this fact. .. 100% of ALL the jews in neighboring arab countries, where they had lived for GENERATIONS and centruies in some cases, WERE EXPUNGED and PURGED from their homes in 1948, ALL of them. over ONE million of them. And the palestinians in ISrael >? They were allowed to stay, and more than 200,000 of the palestinians DID stay in Israel, even Mourmar Khadafi in his op ed in the NY TImes last week acknowleged that NONE Of them were purged out of Israel the way the Jews were from the arab nations. THe arabs have built NOTHING. They set out to destroy , and Destroy Israel, and not do good for themselves, they had exaclty the SAME opportunites the Jews did since 48, EVEN MORE, and they squandered theirs. As barack obama said in his inaugural speech, and again on arab TV... THe arab nations, (the palestinaisn and hamas) will be ultimately juged on what they BUILD for their people, NOT what they destory. Wake up folks, its the 21st century. Time to BUILD something for your people, NOT focus on tearig things down like you have.
That is absolutely bunk.
The largest refugee population in the world is Palestinian. Not far behind are the Afghans and Iraqis.
Judy ------- Stalin supported zionism.
and Stalin ALSO supported the United States in WW2, so your point is what ? cmon people THINK before you write this nonsense...
Stalin created a Jewish SSR in Central Asia, and attempted to send all of the Soviet Union's Jews there. Didn't work out. Stalin also initiated the "Doctor's Plot" which was an antisemitic purge.
The Soviet Union voted in favor of the establishment of the Israeli state, because of the socialist orientation of Zionism. That is all.
Ju-dy, Awwwe, Victimized again? Will it NEVER stop Judy? Shoot, Hitler is finally beat then what? Every darn Jew in the ME is what? A victim you do say! How about b4 WW2? All through history? Lemme guess Judy, Victims! And now? I know, Victims, victims of vicious anti-Semites, of anti-Jewish conspiracies and worst, Legionsof Jew-HatingKillerArabs. And all this in the stoic face of Israeli Jewish reason and decency.
-Nice Celebration at the Israeli soccer game. The crowd singing in joy about the hundreds of dead "children who were gunned down."
Painting oneself as the eternal victim does two things.
1. Victims must be 'compensated' evidence Israel, the land itself. Jewish Victims needed a Homeland....
2. It exculpates by invoking racism the 'victims' actual actions. For instance, might the Arab world be getting anti-Semitic with reason? I saw a Star of David painted in Palestinian blood. Children that had not been killed were playing by it.
For me personally, my actions have determined the actions and opinions of others towards me. Period. I Been hated? I Deserved it. Been Loved, musta earned that too.
What a freakin concept.
YOU are the one perpetuating a falsehood, mostly as anti semites see the Jews. WE, as jewish people , at least myself and most i know, DO NOT see ourselves as victims ! we are industrious, look to the future, have built a thriving Jewish state in Israel, and have industrial and good lives. The palestinians, have done NOTHING to furhter their cause in general, and focus on DESTROYING. It is YOU who perpetuate this myth ! have fun with it... i hope it serves you well !