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Punishing the Palestinians
In the long sixty-year tortured history of the Palestinian expulsion from their lands, Congress has maintained that it is always the Palestinians, the Palestinian Authority, and now Hamas who are to blame for all hostilities and their consequences with the Israeli government.
The latest illustration of this Washington puppet show, backed by the most modern weapons and billions of taxpayer dollars annually sent to Israel, was the grotesquely one-sided Resolutions whisked through the Senate and the House of Representatives.
While a massive bombing and invasion of Gaza was underway, the resolution blaming Hamas for all the civilian casualties and devastation-99% of it inflicted on Palestinians-zoomed through the Senate by voice vote and through the House by a vote of 390 to 5 with 22 legislators voting present.
There is more dissent against this destruction of Gaza among the Israeli people, the Knesset, the Israeli media, and Jewish-Americans than among the dittoheads on Capitol Hill.
The reasons for such near-unanimous support for Israeli actions-no matter how often they are condemned by peace advocates such as Bishop Desmond Tutu, United Nations resolutions, the World Court and leading human rights groups inside and outside of Israel, are numerous. The pro-Israeli government lobby, and the right-wing Christian evangelicals, lubricated by campaign money of many Political Action Committees (PACs) certainly are key.
There is also more than a little bigotry in Congress against Arabs and Muslims, reinforced by the mass media yahoos who set new records for biased reporting each time this conflict erupts.
The bias is clear. It is always the Palestinians' fault. Right-wingers who would never view the U.S. government as perfect see the Israeli government as never doing anything wrong. Liberals who do not hesitate to criticize the U.S. military view all Israeli military attacks, invasions and civilian devastation as heroic manifestations of Israeli defense.
The inversion of history and the scope of amnesia know no limits. What about the fact that the Israeli government drove Palestinians from their lands in 1947-48 with tens of thousands pushed into the Gaza strip. No problem to Congress.
Then the fact that the Israeli government cruelly occupied, in violation of UN resolutions, the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 and only removed its soldiers and colonists from Gaza (1.5 million people in a tiny area twice the size of the District of Columbia) in 2005. To Congress, the Palestinians deserved it.
Then when Hamas was freely elected to run Gaza, the Israeli authorities cut off the tax revenues on imports that belonged to the Gaza government. This threw the Gazans into a fiscal crisis-they were unable to pay their civil servants and police.
In 2006, the Israelis added to their unrelieved control of air, water and land around the open-air prison by establishing a blockade. The natives became restless. Under international law, a blockade is an act of war. Primitive rockets, called by reporters "wildly inaccurate" were fired into Israel. During this same period, Israeli soldiers and artillery and missiles would go into Gaza at will and take far more lives and cause far more injuries than those incurred by those rockets. Civilians-especially children, the infirm and elderly-died or suffered week after week for lack of medicines, medical equipment, food, electricity, fuel and water which were embargoed by the Israelis.
Then the Israeli bombing followed by the invasion during the past three weeks with what prominent Israeli writer Gideon Levy called "a brutal and violent operation...far beyond what was needed for protecting the people in its south." Mr. Levy observed what the president of the United Nations General Assembly, Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann called a war against "a helpless and defenseless imprisoned population."
The horror of being trapped from fleeing the torrent of the most modern weapons of war from the land, air and seas is reflected in this passage from Amira Hass, writing in the leading Israeli newspaper Haaretz:
"The earth shaking under your feet, clouds of choking smoke, explosions like a fireworks display, bombs bursting into all-consuming flames that cannot be extinguished with water, mushroom clouds of pinkish-red smoke, suffocating gas, harsh burns on the skin, extraordinary maimed live and dead bodies."
Ms. Hass is pointing to the use of new anti-civilian weapons used on the Gazan people. So far there have been over 1100 fatalities, many thousands of injuries and the destruction of homes, schools, mosques, hospitals, pharmacies, granaries, farmer's fields and many critical public facilities. The clearly marked UN headquarters and UN school were smashed, along with stored medicines and food supplies.
Why? The Congressional response: "Hamas terrorists" everywhere. Sure, defending their Palestinian families is called terrorism. The truth is there is no Hamas army, airforce and navy up against the fourth most powerful military in the world. As one Israeli gunner on an armored personnel carrier frankly said to The New York Times: "They are villagers with guns. They don't even aim when they shoot."
Injured Gazans are dying in damaged hospital corridors, bleeding to death because rescuers are not permitted to reach them or are endangered themselves. Thousands of units of blood donated by Jordanians are stopped by the Israeli blockade. Israel has kept the international press out of the Gazan killing fields.
What is going on in Gaza is what Bill Moyers called it earlier this month - "state terrorism." Already about 400 children are known to have died. More will be added who are under the rubble.
Since 2002, more than 50 Arab and Muslim nations have had a standing offer, repeated often, that if Israel obeys several UN resolutions and withdraws to the 1967 borders leaving 22 percent of the original Palestine for an independent Palestinian state, they will open full diplomatic relations and there will be peace. Israel has declined to accept this offer.
None of these and many other aspects of this conflict matter to the Congress. Its members do not want to hear even from the Israeli peace movement, composed of retired generals, security chiefs, mayors, former government ministers, and members of the Knesset. In 60 years these savvy peace advocates have not been able to give one hour of testimony before a Congressional Committee.
Maybe members of Congress may wish to weigh the words of the founder of Israel, David Ben-Gurion, years ago when he said:
"There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis Hitler Auschwitz but was that their [the Palestinian's] fault? They only see one thing: We have come here and stolen their country."
Doesn't that observation invite some compassion for the Palestinian people and their right to be free of Israeli occupation, land and water grabs and blockades in the 22 percent left of Palestine?
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Show AllWell said, binban.
But, don't forget brother/Governor Jeb Bush and Secretary of State/Bush-Cheney campaign committee co-chairwoman Katherine Harris who fraudulently removed more than 50,000 legitimate (mostly black) voters from voter registration lists, ostensibly because their names were similar to the names of felons.
Don't forget Bush and Harris also intentionally purchased defective paper ballots that didn't match up with the punch card machines which predominate in poor (largely Democratic) counties, thus causing well over 100,000 additional votes not to be counted. (See Dan Rather's report on HDNet.)
Don't forget the 2,000-plus Jewish voters in Palm Beach County who mistakenly voted for conservative populist Pat Buchanan when they intended to vote for Al Gore, due to the absurdly confusing "butterfly" ballot.
Certainly don't forget the Republicans who voted for Bush: the largest voter group responsible for Bush's election.
And, don't forget that in spite of all of this, the recount ultimately showed Gore still had the most votes. He would have been President if the U.S. Supreme Court had not ordered Florida to stop recounting the votes.
Back in 2000, even though I voted for Bush at the time I was still a Republican, I was sickened that the Republicans had to go through this much trouble down in Florida to steal it for Dubya. I do wish the Democrats in Florida and in DC would have held Bush accountable on that note alone but I guess that's why we need to straighten our pols up starting on the local elections.
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
you have PERSONAL HONOR -- TMinSD. may more americans be like you.
Here we have Terrance Mitchell of South Dakota -- a hateful screamer who blames George Bush's 2000 election on Ralph Nader -- now admitting that he himself voted for Bush in 2000.
Bush, he said at the top of this thread, has "wrecked the country for the past eight years." And, that's Nader's fault. Yet Terrance Mitchell voted for Bush!?
This is an insight into the character assassins who smear Nader every time his name is mentioned. Not all are vile Democratic partisans. At least some, like Terrance Mitchell, are deluded Republican fools who can't bring themselves to admit that they themselves are responsible for George Bush and the ruination he has brought this country.
Correct.
it is not NADER's fault. he ran as he had every right to do and SAY what he needed to say which americans NEEDED to HEAR but ignored.
he spoke truth to power.
it is the fault, if fault is to lie somewhere on those that made the difference in voting FOR george bush regardless of a "third candidate".
the fault lies in the way AMERICANS have NOT lived up to their own CIVICS responsibilities of KNOWING about their own governance which has allowed through the generations the rise of corporatocracies, the military-industrial complex, the voting for politicians that give them their SHORT-TERM "security" thinking that they are voting their own interests....
the fault lies in the american BODY POLITIC ITSELF...NOT ralph nader.
if america is SO christian -- why don't "christian americans" ask themselves:
WAS IT The FAULT of JESUS CHRIST for telling the world TRUTH to POWER?
if americans are SUCH followers of "laws and order" -- why don't they ask themselves : why did they tolerate slavery and racism in order to "protect" their ethnic or community advantages and privileges by taking or denying rights to others "BY LAW"?
and if americans say they are so "CONCERNED ABOUT THINGS" - because they are hitting them in their pocket books because they can't maintain their lifestyles to which they grew up, generation after generation thinking it is a BIRTH RIGHT to have never-ending self-indulgence at the cost to others they don't even know in the rest of the world or in their own communities -- why don't they ask thesmelves - WHERE THEY WERE when ralph nader or others were telling them to PAY ATTENTION to what they are doing and allowing politicians THEY THEMSELVES put in place - so that they can watch their favorite entertainment RATHER than apply themselves and their children in CIVICS and HISTORY of cultures ...and BE WORTHY of all their claims about being the most advanced and civilized society in the history of the world?
INSTEAD -- they have indulged themselves in PETTY, USELESS , EMPTY and HOLLOW undertakings ....
and THEN express outrage at some INCONVENIENCE to their little lives!!
Great post teddy,
And this, I fear, is why things are not slated to improve much until we rebuild our education system. We must teach more than one high school course on civics and the constitution: 9 out of ten people I ask cannot name even half the Bill of Rights.
We must abolish federal delusions like religious dogma from science teaching: "intelligent design" which has nothing to do with the scientific method and must be purged. Science is about reality. Religion is about faith. The latter has no place in Science or government.
Everytime I explain this to NeoCons I get these blank stares, like nothing is firing upstairs....
Looking at neo-cons is like looking at fundamentalists. They are both from the same cloth.
George, i would say that neo-cons fancy themselves as realpolitik, pragmatic and hardnosed rationalists--idiotic and destructive though they may be and live in a closed system.
Religious fundamentalists are not rationalists. They don't hold the intellect in high regard. In fact, they hold it suspect. Also idiotic and destructive and live in a closed system.
So, neo-cons have rationalized themselves into thinking that they are hordnosed rationalists. Closed system is the main point, and says it all. I might add that fundamentalist Muslims live in a closed system too. That's why I find little hope for a resolution.
I agree. Nader can easily snatch Joe Lieberman's seat in 2012 or even Dodd's in 2010. In fact, Nader can easily hammer Dodd for pushing for the Wall Street bailout and win that seat. That would be much better for the Senate and the country as a whole. Why is it that we ordinary folks have to climb up the ladder to get the highest position in our profession but politicians don't?
Nader's back. Oh. Yay...
He's back. Yet again.
After the election (and even before it) I noticed that although Counterpunch had been running tons of articles by Nader, CD had hardly ran any. I guess it was just wishful thinking to hope that Craig Brown had finally sidelined Nader once and for all. I can dream, can't I?
After all, if it wasn't for Nader, we would have elected Al Gore who would have addressed climate change, protected civil liberties, and never have taken us to war with Iraq without a coalition, UN approval, and a plan to win the peace. Instead, Nader got to feed some crumbs to his insatiable ego and we got stuck with 8 years of Bush.
Oh well. At least, he wasn't popular enough (this time around) to elect McCain.
I wonder if he'll work as hard to sabotage Obama's presidency as he did Carter's.
Nader is like a zombie. No matter how many times we think his rotting corpse is dead and buried, he somehow reappears and tries to eat our brains.
Yo Ralph. GO FOR IT!!!!
Joehope: The only thing that is a rotting corpse is the One Corporate Party with two heads. Sooner or later you will smell the stench - with or or without smelling the coffee.
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
Mohatma Gandhi
OH. SWEET. JE-SUS.
(Or maybe it should read, "OY, Sweet Jesus".)
And before you accuse me of being anti-Semetic, I should tell you, joe, that I AM Jewish (or, more accurately, I grew up Jewish. Without getting into my feelings about religion, let's just say I'm "spiritual not religious".)
So maybe I, like the rest of us "Jews" who see Zionism as the excuse for ignorance and violent exploitation that it has become, are just, you know, "Self-Hating" Jews?
Wake up, joe. It's gonna happen sooner or later, anyway. Might as well be at a time and in a manner of your own choosing. (Like it can be otherwise....)
.That you do not understand how much of a caricature you are is pretty darn funny. Tragic for you of course, but funny for us.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
You are full of shit, joehope. Stop railing against your betters.
It is pointless to talk about the 'cowardice' of our elected representatives in regard to their votes on supporting Israel. They are not cowards. No one is forcing them to vote against the public opinion of their own electorate (in the case of the Democrats - over 60% of registered voters opposed the Israeli invasion of Gaza while over 90% of the Congressional Democrats celebrated the slaughter). There is no secret about it. There is no cowardice, either. It is their fundamental ideological position. The political elite in the US - elected representatives in both parties - overwhelmingly support the genocide of thousands of unarmed and starving Palestinians as a cheap and painless way of showing the world that ....
'WE MEAN BUSINESS' (we being the State of Israel and the political elite in the US) and 'MESS WITH US AND OUR EMPIRE...AND YOU'LL WISH YOU WERE IN GAZA...' For all their humanitarian slogans, their 'liberalism', their concern for the 'environment' and their posturing about 'our children and our grandchildren' ...the clown-faced killers we repeatedly 'elect' are fundamentally fascists with the con-man's sociopathic capacity to cry, lie and kill on cue, something the Israelis call the syndrome of 'Crying while shooting'. Anyone ever hear Liberal Rep. Barney Frank speak up for the poor harmless Palestinian gays sucked into the Israeli meat grinder? The current industrial sized meat grinding display is not about us in LaLa land, anyway. (Who the hell reads 'Common Dreams' ?) It is for the moral education of the peasants and slum dwellers in Venezuela, the millions of educated young men and women in Iran, the miners in Bolivia, citizens in Russia and China... It wasn't enough for the US Empire to slaughter over a million Iraqis and totally level their secular republic and eliminate the entire secular educated class. Thousands of Lebanese were murdered by the Israelis in 2007 with the enthusiastic support of all of our now in power Democrats. Boy, a change is coming with Obama. The gloves will come off - History will show that Bush was a 'wuz'.
Our 'representatives' ... will impose and celebrate the massive collective punishment of any people who resist the Empire and its 'plucky little ally', the Jewish State of Israel.
And still we wonder why Iran might want military technology to defend itself?
Robinea and all:
The senate/congress being what they are -- let's accept that.
What are the political pressure points that WE as civizens can push to change their vote/behavior.
I like to hear on this, to educate myself, and get ready for peaceful action.
Please advise.
The Change.gov "ideas for Obama" site is almost exclusively calling for Israel to end the carnage.
ezeflyer, yes, and they probably throw the results in the trash can, unfortunately.
We shall see if Obama is willing to ruffle the feathers with two wars and a collapsing economy. He may choose to be quiet (despite his convictions) on this one.
My only hope is Michelle ("I did not like America before") Obama. She sees it as it is, and as a real black american unlike Obi, she feels injustice in her bones. Maybe she would prod him along, my ONLY hope.
That means at the very least Olmert will be nominated for the Nobel Peace prize.
I would expect a more balanced view from a politician to your standard Nader! Don't you inform yourself? Don't you do your own research? Are you also playing into this victim/villain black & white myth? Is everyone on this planet completely brainwashed?
So you are also of those who compete with which side has more horror stories to share, or who is the biggest puppet to whom (Iran or US? Pick your favourite), or again who is the biggest victim and has more right to be violent... because violence Nader doesn't measure up to using a stone or a tank - violence is an emotion, not a weapon.
If you agree with one's side's violence and disagree with the other side's violence, you have nothing to offer to this world. This article is petty.
Where are the leaders who can transcend this game of favourites and realize violence is wrong. point! NO justification on either side...
Aladdin, you've been playing with your lamp too much!
Don't the casualty figures, 1260 to 10, tell you something? Perhaps your maths is not so good or could it be you only have one eye!
www.dangerouscreation.com
"1260 to 10"
Sure, everyone likes to throw that figure around.
But with all the people now calling Jewish people Nazis, how come no one quotes the figure: 6,000,000 to 1260 ?
because 6 Million jews dead in Nazi Germany DOESN"T translate to Israel STEALING palestinian Land nor does it equate to Israel KILLING 1260 and MORE palestinians.
because 6 million dead jews under the holocaust was not something the Palestinians should PAY FOR by THEIR own lives and suffering UNDER the THIEVES of their land called Israeli Zionists.
wasn't THAT clear enough?
where is it in logic that says - when someone has killed YOUR mother or father you go out and STEAL someone ELSE's house and kill HIS and HER children and parents who had NOTHING to do with YOUR tragedy somewhere ELSE?
one might as well say that:
Since one's house was robbed by person A - one will, out of vengeance and recompense for oneself - rob and kill Person B.
but apparently , those who express remorse or distress that no "one remembers the holocaust upon the 6 million jews in europe" , somehow find THAT as a justification for creating a holocaust upon palestinians by the descendants of those 6 million jews....
why wouldn't you remember that when the jews of europe tried to enter the USA -- they were TURNED AWAY?...and england wanted nothing to do with them -- and pointed them TO palestine -- where they eventually STOLE land from palestinians and kill palestinians up to this very second?
are we to say then that the jews were so traumatized by the Holocaust that it GAVE THEM the RIGHT to cause a holocaust upon palestinians?
that is the definition of an excuse for INSANITY.
Even though the Palestinian leadership was allied with Nazi Germany ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni ) The Holocaust is not the reason why Palestinians suffered. Their suffering occurred because their leadership rejected the two state solution and went to war in 1947 (and lost).
The Palestinians in Gaza sufferers today because the Hamas fired rockets on Israeli civilian targets, prompting Israel to overreact. And not because of the Holocaust 65 or so years ago.
letto,
The Italians and Japanese were more allied with Nazis than Palestinians if at all. Why not go and grab their lands and kill them?
No, the Palestinians are suffering because shills like you, Steelgray, Israeli and Joe believe that Palestinians should pay for the crimes that the Nazis did to the Jews in WWII. You both believe because Jews were persecuted that they have a god given right to do it others.
You forgot to mention Gays. I'd love to see homosexuals get the bomb.
Winning Ticket,
I don't think it is a believe thing. The land is very small, so one group's gain is the group's loss. Israel has decided to be the gainer (with illegal settlement). They have very little if any sympathy for the plight of the other side -- probably think of them as cockroaches that if it was not for UN and world opinion, would have been eradicated by now.
Thank YOU, for CAPITALIZING some words, But NOT others. QUITE clever. If YOU hadn't done THAT. I might NOT have able TO follow your rambling ANTI-ISRAELI diatribe. But BY occasionally EMPHASIZING only certain words, YOU make THOSE words stand OUT, and THUS clarify THE tone of YOUR comment.
Or are you writing in code? Is there a hidden message in your post?
The refuge of someone who can't defend: attack.
Instead of sounding like a complete douche bag you can try and justify your argument. Unless you can't, that is.
.He usually just runs away..I think I prefer that, far, far away would be even nicer.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Thank you Tcolon for citing that.
As Savannah correctly pointed out , the SYSTEMIC , fundamental problem is US EMPIRE - using Israel as the lynchpin for "reshaping the Middle east" - the iraq war, afghanistan, even as far back as Carter's "giving Russia her own vietnam" -- having as a consequence of CIA operations that empowered the Taliban and out of it Al Qaeda through Bin Laden who made a pointed note that his OWN rise was partly a result of CIA american operations - and which according to him only proved that the motives of the USA and "euro-centricism" has always been and REMAINS to reshape the middle east , arab nations, in the way the west wants .
and what is the central pillar of all this? it is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA as a global empire -- starting all the way from the Monroe Doctrine or even earlier - declaring that "south america belongs to the United States" -- EVEN as far as actually making pronouncements to actually INVADE south america many generations ago..and instead they settled for corporatism and financial manipulations and support of dictatorships.
is it ANY different from US Imperial designs in Southeast Asia? Vietnam? AFrica today where there is a "new" "central command" set up by the USA to FURTHER MILITARIZE africa? is it any different from the USA making Europe -- as the price of liberation and the "marshall plan" -- as a "junior partner?" to surround what has for centuries been the PRIME TARGET and BIG PRIZE for western europe -- even including HITLER's attempts -- which is to control and rule over the great landmass of Russia, Central Asia and Eventually China?
put the dots together -- it is ALL about US EMPIRE - with ISRAEL as the ATTACK DOG in the middle east, japan in the east asian region (why ELSE did the USA make a "marshall plan" version for its sworn enemy from world war 2 while actually suppressing Japan's victims of war such as vietnam, philippines, korea, china, etc?
THIS IS ABOUT AMERICAN EMPIRE. no matter how israel has somehow found a way to become the parasitic "alien" that influences American policies and politics - it is STILL about american empire.
AND in the background is EUROPE's OWN connivance trying to assuage its own guilt about the Holocaust while hoping to continue - at least in its government policies among the former empires -- SOME semblance of european "white man's burden" influence upon the rest of the world.
and in the region of palestine -- who PAYS for ALL THESE with their suffering, subjugation, dehumanization , death, dislocation, virtual imprisonment in their own land, and hopelessness?
the PALESTINIANS.
what is the pattern here?
US EMPIRE in the american continent was exacted upon the Native Indians and imported Slaves - that means THEFT OF LAND and RESOURCES and SLAVE, CHEAP LABOR.
US EMPIRE globally -- in south america , south, east, middle and central asia - for their resources and cheap labor controlled under "cooperative" rules like the Saudis, Jordan, Egypt, Fatah, etc...
US EMPIRE in africa -- fomenting insurrections, arming militias for the expected opportunists of any culture in the face of internal dissensions that should never have been "armed" further to become bigger than they ought to have been
US EMPIRE in south america -- you can list the majority of countries that USA has undermined by supporting rightwing , corporate friendly dictators
it is ALL US EMPIRE with "vassals" or "partners" in crime in all corners of the globe...be they ENGLAND today in europe - or germany or france, or brussels,
or japan in asia
or Jordan , Egypt, and the "new american province" of iraq, and expected Afgahnistan
or some other countries in africa....
BLOOD, LUST, THIEVERY, EXPLOITATIOn, MANIPULATIOn, LYING, TORTURE, MURDER, LEGAL mumbo jumbo -- you name it -- it's all in the US BOOK OF POLICIES....
pattern, pattern, pattern.
Interesting post teddy, very well written imho.
But in essence, you've just described thousands of empires throughout world history, haven't you? In my studies of world pre-history, archaeology is replete with these same tactics being used back and forth for centuries usually in the name of some hypocritic religion.
Rome, Spain, and Britian all once ruled the world and had equally bloody histories. In fact, none of the countries you listed above has been immune from the opiate of conquest at one time or another.
And the defenseless Indians you lament on the North American Continent, had been involved in revenge killings between tribes lasting centuries and more before any European from the "West" set foot off a "Man of War" Ship of the line.
The pattern that you speak of cannot be laid solely at the feet of America.
It is simply the nature of being a superpower.
And more ominously, the nature of man.
Now those of us who love the core ideals of America, know that she must return to her ways of tolerance or she may go the way of those previous world empires.
Witness the world anger against my country due to the Bush Crime Family highjacking the normal mechanisms of checks and balances.
No. It's the "nature" of the savage human that still lives as if the limbic system is more advanced than his brain. Empires are but vastly expounded upon entities that fight each other to prove that their penis is bigger than anyone else's. Isn't it time enough in our evolution to move beyond such self-destruction. Or, are you conceding that humanity is a doomed species?
I don't know the answer to that: "Or, are you conceding that humanity is a doomed species?" I think that evolution is still ongoing; I just recieved an "A" in Biological Anthropology for my work on exactly that premise (not that my hypothesis is neccessarily correct.) I would say that evolution and anthropology have changed tremendously since I first studied them in the seventies. Culture, it is turning out, is maybe much more important in the struggle for survival than is physical cc brainstructure.
I am not in any way defending the attrocities of the empire. But to wish it away entirely is probably futile. My only hope is that it can become civilized. That it could morph into a great society of knowledge such as Greece or Britian once did.
I agree completely with you: "Isn't it time enough in our evolution to move beyond such self-destruction."
How specifically, do you think progressives could prevail over the power elite's self-destructive game of world chess?
Of course humanity is a doomed species. Can there be any question of that? Just look around you. We have gone beyond the point of no return in so many ways.
I'm not ready to concede that. If I did I would find continuing my existence difficult. I don't.
Teddy, i agree totally!!!
It's the abused (child) nation syndrome.
you might be surprised that not a few jews CALL israel's policies NAZI - like.
i just heard THAT from a Holocaust survivor - a very old, thin gentleman, a jew , very educated...who , for some reason, started to make remarks about the news in gaza -- and he LITERALLY was trembling with tears streaming down his face as he said:
"we have said --never again--- but it IS HAPPENING to the palestinians -- with my fellow jews doing it as Israelis, they have become Nazis...with the help of the United States....just STOP, STOP, STOP"...he kept saying that....
I certainly would not use the holocauste as a justification for using violence - but I would not use the comparaison in the number of death either to justify violence - If a palestinian rocket would have hit a kindergarden in Israel and caused the death of many children, would you then have legitimized Israel's violence??
If Hamas had the means it would not hold back and would not avoid firing more and killing more - I think every one can agree with that.
We end up at the same point - Are we going to compare the horror stories to choose who is more of a victim, or are we going to rise above "the game" and see both sides as human, and both sides equally feeding violence! If we want peace, we can't accept any violence, whether it comes from a rusty rocket or an airplane.
By denying medical care and food into Gaza BEFORE the six month cease fire broke down, Isreal was killing Palestinian children.
When there is no hope, violence is the result.
leave small footprints
Even if that were true (and not grossly exaggerated) where are the >>>hundreds of millions of dollars<<< given to the Palestinian cause? Why don't they smuggle more medicine and food in the tunnels? mmmm...
You can try to deny or justify Hamas violence, but I can give you a list of opposite facts that will contradict these justifications. Don't you see, this will never end, even on these "civilized" forums. The competition for victimhood is not leading anywhere.
Mutual responsibility only will lead to peace.
I'm sure that if YOU we're starving you would also be smuggling FOOD instead of oppressing ending paraphernalia. Sure, you would.
Aladdin,
Nowhere in the article did Mr. Nader support violence on the part of either side. I also believe that he has transcended the game of favourites by not following the other U.S. politicians who don't even question Israel. Like it or not there is such a thing as right and wrong in this world and it is the job of a good leader to look at both sides of a conflict, figure out who's wrong, and settle it accordingly. Hopefully in a peacefull manner. Right now all we have is a government who is all to willing to cheer on this genocide.
Violence is a genetic defect. Nader is responding to that. Faith is a disease. Put the two together and you get atrocities and war crimes.
http://www.metaphoria.org/ac4t0609.html
I did put "hopefully in a peacefull manner" in my comment. I do get your point though, violence is a cycle, everyone knows that. The question I would ask is how would you deal with this crisis without using violence when Israel isn't listening to anyone?
History and facts tells us that Israel is listening more than Hamas - Israel has made peace with Egypt, with Jordan, and perhpas soon with Syria. Back in 2000, Israel was willing to divide Jerusalem and give back land for an agreement with Palestinians. Perhaps there was more to negotiate, but at least the parties were talking. Israel has proven that diplomacy can work. Hamas has never given that a chance.
It is somewhat convenient to portray Israel as a demonic entity, ruthless, and bloodthirsty. It feed our mythology and fuels our precious self-righteousness. But truth is more complex.
And besides, if diplomacy was to fail... NON VIOLENT PROTESTS are the answer! Hamas are at least as violent as Israel, albeit with lesser means!
First Person
History and "facts" are what is told by those in power. Such is the case about most of the history that we have been taught about the Israel/Palestine conflict in this country, eg "A land without people for a people without a land."
The story we have been propagandized to believe in this country (most of the Arab world knows otherwise) is no different.
In addition to the fact that "Barak's generous proposal" divided the West Bank and Gaza into Bantustans, with internal and external control of trade, borders, water and airspace,the offer to share Jerusalem was truly bogus.An apt metaphor would be a large jail, in which the jailors agree to expand--somewhat--the jail cell space, but forget about getting a key. There was no way that Arafat could have returned to his people having agreed to what was offered, and everyone but the Palestinians knew that going in.
I beg you to look at the following link: www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/israel-palestine/2005/0111truth.htm
This was written by an associate editor to the Wall Street Journal. It's an adult history, rather than the Walt Disney one that we were all fed.