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Obama Wins and Redefines Real America
So who's a real American now?
With his decisive triumph over Senator John McCain, Senate Barack Obama made obvious history: he is the first black (or biracial) man to win the presidency. But the meaning of his victory--in which Obama splashed blue across previously red states--extends far beyond its racial significance. Obama, a former community organizer and law professor, won the White House as one of the most progressive (or liberal) nominees in the Democratic Party's recent history. Mounting one of the best run presidential bids in decades, Obama tied his support for progressive positions (taxing the wealthy to pay for tax cuts for working Americans, addressing global warming, expanding affordable health insurance, withdrawing troops from Iraq) to calls for cleaning up Washington and for crafting a new type of politics. Charismatic, steady, and confident, he melded substance and style into a winning mix that could be summed up in simple and basic terms: hope and change.
After nearly eight years of George W. Bush's presidency, Obama was the non-Bush: intelligent, curious, thoughtful, deliberate, and competent. His personal narrative--he was the product of an unconventional family and worked his way into the nation's governing class--fueled his campaign narrative. His story was the American Dream v2.0. He was change, at least at skin level. But he also championed the end of Bushism. He had opposed the Iraq war. He had opposed Bush's tax cuts for the rich. He was no advocate of let-'er-rip, free market capitalism or American unilateralism. In policy terms, Obama represents a serious course correction.
And more. In the general election campaign, McCain and his running mate, Sarah Palin, turned the fight for the presidency into a culture clash. They accused Obama of being a socialist. They assailed him for having associated with William Ayers, a former, bomb-throwing Weather Underground radical,who has since become an education expert. Palin indirectly referred to Obama's relationship with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, who once preached fiery sermons denouncing the United States government for certain policies. On the campaign trail, Palin suggested there were "real" parts of America and fake parts. At campaign events, she promoted a combative, black-helicopter version of conservatism: if you're for government expansion, you're against freedom. During her one debate with Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, she hinted that if her opponents won the White House there might come a day when kids would ask their grandparents what it had been like to live in a free country. At McCain-Palin rallies, supporters shouted out, "Communist!" and "terrorist!" and "Muslim!" when the Republican candidates referred to Obama. And McCain and Palin hurled the standard charges at Obama: he will raise your taxes and he is weak on national security.
Put it all together and the message was clear: there are two types of Americans. Those who are true Americans--who love their nation and cherish freedom--and those who are not. The other Americans do not put their country first; they blame it first. The other Americans do not believe in opportunity; they want to take what you have and give it to someone else. The other Americans do not care about Joe the Plumber; they are out-of-touch elitists who look down on (and laugh at) hard-working, church-going folks. The other Americans do not get the idea of America. They are not patriots. And it just so happens that the other America is full of blacks, Latinos, gays, lesbians, and non-Christians.
McCain, Palin and their compatriots did what they could to depict Obama as the rebel chief of this other un-American America. (Hillary Clinton helped set up their effort during the primaries by beating the Ayers drum.) Remember the stories of Obama's supposed refusal to wear a flag pin or place his hand over his heart for the Pledge of Allegiance? The emails about Obama being a secret Muslim? The goal was to delegitimize Obama, as well as the Americans who were moved by his biography, his rhetoric, and his ideas. It was back to the 1960s--drawing a harsh line between the squares (the real Americans) and the freaks (those redistribution-loving, terrorist-coddling faux Americans).
It didn't work.
With the nation mired in two wars and beset by a financial crisis, Obama mobilized a diverse coalition that included committed Democratic liberals turned on by his policy stands (unabashed redistributionists, no doubt) and less ideologically-minded voters jazzed by his temperament, meta-themes, and come-together message. He showed that the old Republican attack tactics do not always draw blood. A candidate could advocate raising taxes on wealthy individuals and corporations and withstand being called a socialist. A candidate could advocate talking to the nation's enemies and withstand being tagged weak and dangerous. A candidate could be non-white, have an odd name, boast a less-than-usual ancestry, be an unrepentant Ivy Leaguer, profess a quiet and thoughtful patriotism (that encompasses both love and criticism of country), and still be a real American. And become president.
How He Did It -- The Primaries
From the start of the campaign, Obama and his advisers--notably campaign manager David Plouffe and chief strategist David Axelrod--shared a vision of how a freshman senator with relatively little national experience could reach the White House. Obama presented himself as an agent of change leading a movement for change. Given that a large majority of the voters believed the nation was heading in the wrong direction after two terms of George W. Bush, this was not the most brilliant of strategic strokes. But Obama had the chops to pull it off. He spoke well, he conveyed intelligence and energy, and he advocated policies that seemed like an antidote to the Bush years. And he effectively matched his own personal story (a best-selling book!) to this message of renewal.
Throughout the primaries, Obama addressed the sense of disenfranchisement Democrats and independents (and even some Republicans) had experienced during the W years. As these citizens watched Bush and Dick Cheney dole out tax cuts to the wealthy, do nothing about global warming, launch an optional war in Iraq, and expand secrecy and executive power, many felt locked out. It didn't help that Bush and his crowd appeared dismissive of those who disagreed with them, decrying elitism and playing to conservative know-nothingism. Obama came along and invited primary voters to join a crusade for change--which meant a crusade against them. It was a chance to strike back against the empire. Obama understood the need of many to reclaim their country. The right has often exploited such a sentiment. Think of the rise of the Moral Majority. But Obama was not playing the resentment card.
Crucial to his success was Obama's decision to keep anger (at least his own) out of the equation. For him and his supporters, there was cause to be damn mad. From their perspective, the country had been hijacked by Bush, Cheney and a small band of neocons. (A view they could hold with much justification.) But Obama appeared to have made a calculation: an angry black man could not win over a majority of the voters. He offered voters not fury, but hope. And considering his "improbable"--as he put it--rise, he was a natural pitchman for hope. Fixating on hope allowed him to talk about the problems of the United States (past and present) while remaining an optimist. Americans tend not to elect purveyors of doom and gloom to the presidency. Usually the candidate with the sunnier disposition wins. It's not hard to fathom why. When Americans select a president, many are voting for the person who they believe best reflects their own idea of America. Voting for president has a strong psychological component. It's how Americans define their nation. So personal attributes--character, strength, biography, personality--are important.
Obama described his presidential bid not as a campaign of outrage but as a cause of hope--a continuation of the grand and successful progressive movements of the past. For Democratic voters, he had the appropriate liberal policy stances. He had a record as a reformer in the Illinois state senate and the US Senate. But he provided more than resumé; he served up inspiration. Obama could advocate these policies--policies that often stir sharp partisan fights in Washington and beyond--and at the same time convincingly call for a new politics of productivity (not partisanship) in Washington. This took some talent. Mark Schmitt credits what he calls Obama's "communitarian populism"--a quiet, inclusive populism. Leave your pitchforks at the door. This message and his manner of delivering it led many Democratic voters to conclude that he was the right man for the post-Bush cleanup.
Obama had one big obstacle in the primaries: Hillary Clinton. She had a brand name that attracted and repulsed voters. She ran a conventional campaign. She uttered no talk of any movement. She relied on her resumé, and said she was ready to roll up her sleeves and work for you. Will you hire me as your advocate-in-chief? she asked. Obama was offering music; she was offering math. It was virtually a toss-up for the Democratic electorate. What made the difference was that Obama, the heady candidate, managed his campaign more effectively than Clinton, the down-to-earth candidate, managed hers. Clinton and her crew, after losing in Iowa and then fighting back in New Hampshire, botched the middle stretch and allowed Obama to rack up a series of wins that did give him--oh, that dreadful word--momentum. More important, her campaign seemed to bounce from one strategy to the next, as infighting roiled Clintonland. Not until the end of the primaries did Clinton get her groove back, winning over blue-collar voters in once-industrial states as the scrappy working-class hero. But it was too late. The delegate math became undeniable.
In beating Clinton, Obama showed that he had assembled a disciplined and skilled campaign staff. Not once was his campaign rocked by internal dissension. It never went through a staff shakeup. There were no media stories, relying on unnamed sources, revealing major disputes or fundamental disagreements at Obama HQ. ("We had our disagreements," says one top Obama aide. "But they were always within the confines of getting to the best decision. I was stunned by how well it all worked.") Consensus, smooth operations, no signs of turf fights or ego battles--this is virtually unheard of in a major modern presidential campaigns. Obama even handled his flip-flops--voting for the telecom immunity bill after vowing not to and opting out of public financing system after indicating he would remain within it--relatively well. The operation of his campaign sent a signal: Obama was a serious person who could ably handle pressure. Obama preached hope and at the same time he was the CEO of a well-managed enterprise that would raise and spend (in record amounts) hundreds of millions of dollars.
How He Did It --The General Election
Once it became clear that Obama and McCain would each be the presidential nominee of their respective parties, they faced two big tests--selecting a running mate and addressing the financial meltdown. Obama passed both; McCain failed both.
Obama's choice of Biden was not inspiring. It was, in a way, a conventional pick, a safe bet (relatively safe, given Biden's penchant for verbal slip-ups). Obama's campaign was predicated on the promise he would shake up Washington. Biden, a three-decade veteran of the Senate, was not known as a rebel. But he had deep foreign policy experience and had spent years courting the working-class voters of Delaware. He could reassure voters worried that Obama had not spent enough years toiling on national security matters. And Biden certainly would not compete with Obama for headlines and screen time. Obama was the inspiration on the ticket. Biden was the insurance policy.
By going with Biden, Obama dared to be boring and indicated he was willing to play it straight when necessary. He abided by the first rule of veep selection: do no harm. McCain took another route. He gambled. He picked a governor little-known on the national stage--a woman whom even McCain barely knew. It gave his campaign a shot of excitement and surprise. Her performance at the Republican convention was dazzling. But this high did not last, as Palin did miserably in media interviews. Several conservative columnists had to admit she was not ready for prime time. Within weeks, McCain's act of daring was widely perceived as an act of recklessness. Her approval ratings plummeted. Polls indicated she was a drag on a ticket and a prominent reason why some voters were not favoring McCain.
Palin was strike one. Strike two was McCain's erratic response to the financial crisis--saying different things, deciding to suspend his campaign but then suspending the suspension. His actions reinforced the impression created by the Palin misstep: he likes to shoot from the hip. But with the economy and Wall Street in a free fall, many voters were probably not eager for another cowboy president. Meanwhile, Obama, who met with establishment advisers and calmly backed the $700 billion bailout (which McCain also endorsed), looked like the adult in the room that crucial week, which culminated in the first debate. That face-off, according to the insta-polls, was a win for Obama, as were the next two confrontations.
Weeks into the general election, Obama had made a pivot--but so smoothly that most of the politerati did not even see it. He had gone from the inspiring movement leader calling for wholesale change in Washington to a reassuring figure who demonstrated that he could play well with the establishment. The younger and less experienced of the two nominees seemed better suited to handle a crisis. Iraq and national security were no longer the issues; the economy was. And Obama showed he possessed the steadier hand. At the final debate, as McCain jabbed with punches that packed not much punch, Obama came across as confident if not so dynamic. But when the world is cracking up, who wants pizzazz?
Losing on the economy front--and in the temperament contest--McCain, with Palin acting like his gun moll, stepped up his use of the standard GOP attack lines. He went back to basics. Obama, he contended, yearned to raise taxes not just on the rich but on everybody. Even though independent experts had concluded that middle-class voters would receive a bigger tax cut under Obama's proposal than McCain's, the McCain camp kept issuing charges about Obama's tax aims that were not true. They found a mascot in Joe the Plumber (who was not really named Joe and not really a plumber). And they whipped up the old tax-and-spend fear about Democrats.
"Now is no the time to experiment with socialism," Palin exclaimed at rallies, ignoring the fact that she presides over the socialistic state of Alaska (which redistributes tax revenues collected from oil companies to the state's citizens). She dubbed Obama "Barack the Wealth Spreader." At a McCain rally near St. Louis, Representative Todd Akin (R-MO) said, "This campaign in the next couple of weeks is about one thing. It's a referendum on socialism." Senator George Voinovich (R-OH) weighed in on Obama: "With all due respect, the man is a socialist." McCain repeatedly referred to Obama as the "redistributionist-in-chief," often stumbling over the phrase. He must have forgotten that during a 2000 campaign event, he was asked, "Are we getting closer and closer to, like, socialism," and McCain replied, "Here's what I really believe: That when you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more."
It was an anti-intellectual attack--taxes equals socialism--ignoring basic facts and the personal history of McCain (who was roundly accused by conservatives of engaging in "class warfare" in 2000 when he opposed George W. Bush's tax cuts for the rich). The point was to strike fear into the hearts of voters who make far less money than Obama's proposed threshold for tax hikes. McCain was not appealing to the better nature of voters.
Putting up a fierce fight, Obama did not make it personal. He paid tribute to McCain's military service. But he slammed McCain for standing with Bush on economic issues. "If you want to know where Senator McCain will drive this economy, just look in the rearview mirror," Obama told campaign audiences. And he challenged the Big Idea of the Republican Party:
The last thing we can afford is four more years of the tired, old theory that says we should give more to billionaires and big corporations and hope that prosperity trickles down to everyone else. The last thing we can afford is four more years where no one in Washington is watching anyone on Wall Street because politicians and lobbyists killed common-sense regulations. Those are the theories that got us into this mess. They haven't worked, and it's time for change.
Obama wasn't just taking on Bushism. He was taking on Reaganism.
McCain, Palin, and their supporters did make it personal. They claimed that Obama was misleading the voters, that he was not what he seemed. They argued that he was not up to the job. The McCain-Palin campaign ran a series of ads--one falsely asserted that Obama had supported teaching kindergartners "comprehensive sex education"--that various MSM outlets pronounced untruthful and unfair. The Straight Talk Express was derided as a cavalcade of misrepresentation. The McCain-Palin campaign revived the Bill Ayers attack. It tried to brand Obama an associate of anti-Semites, pointing to his relationship with a Palestinian scholar--without producing evidence that this Palestinian was anti-Semitic. (The International Republican Institute, a group chaired by McCain, had given over $400,000 to a group co-founded by this scholar.)
It was an ugly assault. Speaking in support of McCain and Palin, Representative Robin Hayes (R-NC) declared, "Liberals hate real Americans that work, and accomplish, and achieve, and believe in God." McCain supporters referred to Obama as "Barack Hussein Obama." At a Palin rally, Representative Steve King (R-IA) said that an Obama victory would cause the United States to turn into a "totalitarian dictatorship." Representative Michele Bachmann (R-MN) declared that Obama was "anti-American." While she was at it, she urged the media to investigate and root out anti-Americanism within the US Congress.
This mud did not stick. Perhaps worse for McCain, his camp never presented a coherent strategic argument for its candidate. Obama had change and hope. McCain had no real case for McCain--other than he was a POW who put his country first. What did he want to do as president? Serve his country again. He essentially asked to be rewarded for his past service and sacrifice. He didn't feel the voters' pain; he wanted them to feel his. And his campaign ended up being defined mostly by its retro attack on Obama: he's an untested and untrustworthy liberal.
Most of the voters disagreed.
With his victory, Obama has ended the Bush II era with an exclamation point. (The Democratic gains in Congress seconded the point.) Now Obama faces a restoration project of unprecedented proportions. It may take years for him and the rest of Washington to remedy the ills neglected, exacerbated or caused by the Bush presidency. And he will have a tough time matching progress to promise. At his victory celebration in Chicago before tens of thousands, he lowered expectations: "the road ahead will be long. The climb ahead will be steep." And he noted that his electoral victory merely provided "only the chance for us to make that change."
But his barrier-breaking victory was indeed change in itself. Consider this: Obama ended his campaign at a rally on Monday night in Manassas, Virginia, the site of Battle of Bull Run, the opening land battle of the Civil War, in which Union troops were routed and forced to retreat back to Washington, DC There before a crowd of 90,000--young, old, black, white, affluent, working-class--Obama summed up his case:
Tomorrow, you can turn the page on policies that have put greed and irresponsibility before hard work and sacrifice. Tomorrow, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class and create new jobs, grow this economy so everybody has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO but the secretary and the janitor, not just the factory owner but the men and women who work the factory floors. And tomorrow, you can end to the politics that would divide a nation just to win an election, that pits region against region, city against town, Republican against Democrat, that asks us to fear at a time when we need to hope.
A black man on the verge of being elected president said that.
But race is just one part of the tale. Obama has done more than become a first. He has redrawn the electoral map (take that, Karl Rove) and reshaped the political culture of the United States. He has transformed the image of the United States--abroad and at home. (He vowed in Chicago that "a new dawn of American leadership is at hand.") Above all, after eight troubling years and after decades of ideological civil war, Obama has redefined what is real America. "Who knew that we were the Silent Majority?" his press secretary Linda Douglass said moments after Obama left the stage in Grant Park.
The voters who see President-elect Obama as the embodiment of their America can trade the Yes We Can motto for a new one: Yes We Are.
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131 Comments so far
Show AllObama's victory drives one last, very long, stainless steel nail into the skulls of George Wanker Bush and Cheesedick Cheney, drives it with a sledge hammer. While Obama's victory is mostly the product of deep economic concern rather than a repudiation of the drip drip drip loss of our civil liberties, it is nonetheless a repudiation. The thugs who have been spitting in all our faces for the last eight years now get spat upon themselves. WHAT A FANTASTIC FEELING!
The nail should've been made of silver.
Stainless steel doesn't work.
And silver=justice.
I'd vote for DU
Namaste
What lost in this election was hate, narrow mindedness, racism and ignorance. That was McCain's platform and he offered nothing more. What won was a repudiation of the last eight years of a bankrupt ideology and the hope that we can do better. Lets savor the moment and set our cynicism aside. Come January, we must push for a repeal of the Patriot Act, a new foreign policy and job creating domestic policy that will rebuild an ecologically sound infrastructure.
The Jaded Prole
Well said, Mister J Prole!
Mordechai Shiblikov, Little Brother, Jaded Prole
Thanks to all three and I agree.
Little Brother
Good one!
time to put impeachment on the table and get gwb's finger away from the button.
McCain got the same number of votes as Bush did in 2004. Repubs did better than expected in many races. 23 or 24 states voted, often overwhelmingly, for McCain/Palin. Republicans will regroup and find ways to manipulate an easy to manipulate electorate. Democrats have moved so far to the right that they are now a second Republican party. Obama successfully ran without any real examiniation of his voting record or his core beliefs. Style won out over substance. America is still deeply divided. And most importantly, exceptionalism wins as usual, which means death to more valuable human beings all over the world.
Why do you misunderstand? Who said Bush was good for the world? Certainly not me! He was certainly WORSE than any other President, and I'm glad his reign of terror is over. What you are engaging in is dualistic thinking. I don't do so ever. Bush DID have a record: he was a murderous Governor of Texas!!
No, the US is very divided. look at the exit polls:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1
55% of whites voted for McCain. 57% of white men voted for McCain.
I voted Nader in 2000. the last 8 years have taken a toll. We need to focus on our commonality, many on the right will be miserable and unable to let go. There is much work ahead of us, let's be who we are, the United States of America!
i voted OBAMA/BIDEN'08-12!
www.november5.org
Oh, this is all trivial--what truly matters is the man some here condemn for being deified, may not be the lord god himself.
I'm hoping the new administration will find a way to engage the people in all the problems we're facing. Having grown up in the WWII era, I know what people can do for themselves and the country, with a little motivation. We struggled then as we are now, but we never sat back and expected the government to give us handouts. We scavenged for metal that big trucks came around to collect for the war effort; we grew victory gardens, rationed the food we were able to buy with ration stamps, and were very frugal with the gas we were alloted. If we get more of that crap about buying duct tape and going shopping, I may start screaming and never stop.
You know all of these post have some merit as Barack could be alot more progressive. But to discount this moment as not important in the history of this country is just as simple minded and short sighted as the people on the other end of the spectrum. I am as far left as they come and you can doubt me if you will but I cried last night, as I thought of my parents and my sons. A real progressive would understand the hope that this man represents on a very real, palpable level. So say what you will but to discount my families tears of joy and pain with the spoutings of a zealot doesn't sound very progressive to me. And before you judge and think you know someone don't assume, I have seen first hand what happens to real revolutionaries in this country. It's easy to spout off on the internet to the converted but hard to accept the realities individuals live with. Open your eyes and hearts and try to feel. Stop being so bitter and spiteful, please
You're right. I watched tv after Obama won. Tears of joy, elation, all of that. He reminded me of MLK. It was the hope and inspiration for a better world coming from the people that was so absolutely uplifting.
On the other hand, he has been absolutely horrible on issues - the reality part of the equation. So please, after the understandable glow wears off, lets make sure that the Obama presidency actually follows through on the rhetoric. The job we have is immense. We do not have the luxury of going back to sleep now. There's too much at stake.
It is indeed a proud, historic moment, and I concede and admire it. However, Corn's Obama-cheerleading is completely biased and untruthful. He says:
"As these citizens watched Bush and Dick Cheney dole out tax cuts to the wealthy, do nothing about global warming, launch an optional war in Iraq, and expand secrecy and executive power, many felt locked out. Obama came along.."
Wrong. Obama voted for the FISA bill, allowing expanded government spying on citizens and immunity to the telecoms who broke the law in aiding them to do so. Obama voted right along with the Rethugs on the Patriot Act 1 and 2, which expanded government's powers to spy and destroyed vast swaths of our Constitution. Obama voted right along with the Rethugs time and again to continue funding the illegal Iraq invasion. And Obama voted right along with the Rethugs to give almost 1 trillion to "bail out" the rich Wall Street firms with our tax dollars, who are now using it not to loan $$, but in bonuses to billionare CEO's and in mergers to enhance their own stock value, and in dividends to their shareholds.
What "Change" are we talking about here? More intelligence - yes. More dialogue with our allies and possibly even our enemies - yes. But a military reduction? No. Reduction of military budget/bases worldwide? No. War only as a last resort in self-defense? No. Investigating and holding to account the Bush criminals who got us into this mess? No. A reversal of all Bush executive orders? No. Of some? no. An ending to all torture by the U.S.? No.
Same old same old. Different - darker - face, same bullshit.
Be as optimistic as you want. But true progressives like myself know that Obama - although YES, better than Bush in some areas - is nonetheless just a different player for the same corporate team.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."
Sinclair Lewis, "It Cant Happen Here", 1935
Thank you for your excellent post.
The only thing that makes me feel better about President Obama than President Bush is that Obama is actually very intelligent. But all of the flowery blustery *hope* and *change* rhetoric never won me over because, as you say Demonstorm, Obama is just a different player for the same corporate team. Perhaps worse, Obama is a bigger egomaniac than Bush ever was.
Since Obama is very intelligent, maybe he'll sit down and listen to reasoning as he's been doing. Look, I'm not happy about his Senate voting record either but being president is another matter altogether. Who's the last Senator to win presidency before Obama? JFK and like Obama, he's a moderate Democrat who also had to work hard as hell to overcome some difference barrier. In JFK's case, it was the fact that he was a Catholic whereas in Obama's case it was the fact that he is African American. He just won the election big time and he knows he has hell to face. I like the fact that he actually sits down and listens to all sides and that's the role model president that makes my wife and I proud to have voted for and our kids look forward to perhaps showing that kind of leadership. I don't know about you but I'm so sick and tired of shoot first and ask in eternity !
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
Sioux Rose
DEMONSTORM: I identify with your post (who can challenge facts?) but just wish to add that sometimes ONE individual serves as something of a lightning rod, and while he may not have the intention to move events progressively along, he finds himself part of a tide greater than his own stroke. Let us HOPE for that!
Yes, _ S I O U X R O S E _,
◎bama certainly has created an expectation of progressive thinking in Americans, which will persevere for some time -- even if it was a purposely made distortion of his "hidden intentions" to serve his owners ( funny that, he's no more a slave to the bankers and CEOs than white bu$h!t was … ).
This is contrast to the popular expectation of bu$h!t, which was about greater corruption, war, death, and cronyism -- which he actually did a superior job of manifesting ( than most imagined was possible ).
NOTE : It's always better to see the good ( and positive aspects ) in what people can accomplish, when given a chance.
Namaste
Sioux Rose
ENLIVEN: It was such a temptation seeing Nader's name ON the ballot... but given that this is Florida, and I'd just read what Greg Palast had to say (Truth out) on the thousands of names the Republicans were finding ways to get off the official record (so these thousands couldn't vote); I could not deal with feeling I might have anything to do with getting McCain into power. Rich M/wsws org/Samson and others have accurately described the compromised positions Obama has taken; and I will feel terrible if he continues the plans of the MIC... however, the world needed a new face and I pray this is not just P.R, but as stated earlier, that the man will transcend himself. Who knows, maybe the ghosts of ML King or Jefferson might visit him when he sleeps inside the White House. He is the projection screen of more hope than any human could possibly absorb; while reciprocally Bush is the projection screen of so much hate, the collective (as Jung would put it) shadow.
The moon is in the "friendship across the aisle" sign of Aquarius... where as I shared a few days ago, a fascinating alignment occurs in February. I do believe unique coalitions will begin to form... and when Saturn, the planet of karma and consequences, enters Libra, the sign of THE GREAT balance (where it has not been in 29 years) at the end of 2009... LAW will once again return to its modicum of weighing BOTH sides of issues to come up with just compromises. That's a little more than a 2 year cycle beginning at the end of 2009.
“Today, I feel a calm come over me as I awoke from the nightmare of November 7, 2000.”
yes, me too ... they didn't steal it ... or otherwise make it "bad" ...
I voted for Obama against my preference because there was such anticipation of challenges and cries of "voter fraud" in my "swing" state -- Colorado.
The power of a hefty, substantial lead should be appreciated in its power to fight off these so-called "disputed" elections, like 2000.
What a horrible 8 years it has been. Too bad we haven't come further in better ensuring the "right to vote" for all eligible citizens.
Will anyone care in 4 years? I don't know.
I'm so relieved that Obama won. The Dems are the majority in Congress. Now it's their turn to show that they represent the people not the money. The majority of Americans want:
1) No bailout - oops, too late. Mark one demerit for Obama!
2) Single payer health care
3) money spent on infrastructure
4) clean jobs
5) increase in wages
6) end of military/industrial/political complex
7) a voice in decision making
8) clean energy (no nukes, coal but solar, wind)
9) admiration and respect in the world
10) Instant run-off voting
I would point out that if the hard lefters and progressives were happy with everything Obama did or will do then he would be as bad a President as GWB.
He was elected to be President of all the people. He should represent more liberal principles as that is what he is. But as President of a center right country that for now is a bit more center left than right, he must addresss the concerns of the vast majority of Americans.
If the Hard left is mostly unhappy with Obama, the left 1/4 happy and liberals 1/2 happy, neocons completely unhappy, hard right miserable and conservatives 1/2 happy he will be an excellent President.
This country is not "center right". That is a nonsensicly babbled description that holds no weight at all.
You separate the "hard left", the "left" and "liberals" into 3 different categories? That makes no sense.
I mean, I agree that he has to govern all Americans, but this whole assertion that he has to be "centrist" and watered-down to be effective, is ridiculous.
I didn't say he had to govern as a centrist nor watered down, but I'll assure you this is a center right country. What would you call it? The vast majority of folks are in the center...are you disputing that? If you disagree this is a cener right country, I'm most interested in how you would describe us.
I seperate it because the hard left bears little resemblence to liberals per se and I believe there is another group that is closer to the hard left than liberals, so for convience I use progressives.
Thanks for your thoughts.
.I would be very interested, Thomas, in what you perceive to be unrealistic or elitist in the "hard left" agenda as enumerated on this forum...What about it do you see as bad for any segment of our populace?
How do the desires of the "hard left" conflict in any way with the needs of all of us, right or left. Is it single payer health care that you find offensive. Is it an end to a war that profits a few rather hugely and plunges this nation into an economic disaster? Perhaps you think that free education for all of us might be something that harms the right? Maybe it is a call for new voting methods or an end to a system of governance that is bought and paid for and benefits only the very few?
I am very curious....
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
We're in a time when everything's way out of control and the last thing we all need is more partisanship as if 20 years wasn't enough already. Obama has a hellish system to tackle and no president can do it alone. The least you can do is be thankful that for once this country now in shambles has just elected a leader who's willing to think before acting irrationally and sit down and work things out rather than try and bully people around. As a recovering conservative Republican turned Democrat, I completely welcome this push for change for the better. If you want to believe in fairy tales and magic, go live with Sarah Palin. She'll be happy to teach you how to act silly and believe that you can fly. Otherwise, give it a rest and let Obama present himself for the next 4 years.
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
Hey TM, Ardee isn't against Obama, he was simply for Nader. I'm fairly sure he is going to give him a chance. All the while watching his every move under a microscope.
Ok, thanks. My apologies for the misunderstanding.
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
Calls for abolishing capitalism. A call to abolish the military. But mostly its an intolerant, immovable unwillingness to consider any moderation of position or others views. And a hatred of America. Happily, there aren't that many here and they usually pass on thru.
" Is it single payer health care that you find offensive. Is it an end to a war that profits a few rather hugely and plunges this nation into an economic disaster? Perhaps you think that free education for all of us might be something that harms the right? Maybe it is a call for new voting methods or an end to a system of governance that is bought and paid for and benefits only the very few?"
All these things are liberal policies in my view. And I'd say its not that I find these views offensive, people hold all sorts of views and should, its the damage I believe it does to the liberal agenda.
Does that answer your question?
.I would say that your opinion of the"hard left" is somewhat distorted by the propaganda associated with our views.
Capitalism:
Gore Vidal calls our system capitalism on the way up and socialism on the way down. Capitalism is the method by which jobs are exported to nations without environmental laws, no health care concerns and ten cent an hour wages. Now regulated capitalism coupled with socialism where it makes more sense ( health care for one) is a far better and saner solution.
Military:
When one studies history and perceives that , far to often , the military is a tool of capitalism, well abolishing that would be nice, dontcha think? American kids killing and dying , not to save our liberty, but to increase the bottom line.
Intolerance:
A sport the whole family can play. It is more than a bit unfair to single out the extremism of the left as intolerant when extremism itself breeds such. Of course intolerance of torture and murder, intolerance of foreclosures for fun and profit, intolerance for intolerance, inmtolerance for a system both unfair and amoral, well sign me up!
Isnt it great when a radical like me and a centrist like you can dialogue?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
"Isnt it great when a radical like me and a centrist like you can dialogue"
I would say sir that it is the most important thing. The thing that Carl Rove and the neocons tried desperately to destroy. Because if we talk, we may find a common, new decision or method that neither would find seperately.
Capitalism:
"Now regulated capitalism coupled with socialism where it makes more sense ( health care for one) is a far better and saner solution."
Absolutely. We already have a blend...Medicare, etc. A capitalist society should provide the means to achieve social (socialized) solutions where approproiate. Its the call to abolish capitalism as our economic system that is what I call a hard lefter.
Military:
I would disagree here and say that far too often the military is used by every form of government as a tool. History will support my position I believe.
Left up to me I'd abolish every army and weapon in the world and never send another kid out to fight to solve a problem.
You have a point that the MIC does have a vested interest in governments spending money for weapons.
But I am talking about what I call the hard left that calls for the abolishment of the military or try to destroy it, unilaterally. Only a fool would not realize we live in the real world, not in a utopian dream. There are countries that would gladly take advantage of weakness, even today. I often wonder if they even consider that our navy keeps the sea lanes open and keeps pirates away from our shipping? I think we do not disagree, I think we have both seen more than enough combat to abhor it. And I dion't think you would have our forces stand down when other countries are building their military furiously.
Intolerance:
"A sport the whole family can play."
Too true! The part I speak of is when extremist critisize someone else, then turn around and dress the same thing up in a party dress and do the same thing.
"Of course intolerance of torture and murder, intolerance of foreclosures for fun and profit, intolerance for intolerance, inmtolerance for a system both unfair and amoral, well sign me up!"
Your sense of humor is showing.
Besides which you may be a radical, but I don't believe you are with the hard left, at least not as I define it for myself. Thats the trouble with using labels, they mean different things to different people.
I also know you love America....want to change it, redefine it, modify it, but none the less, love it.
Ardee
I thought of a simpler way to say what I think....I think.
Think of the neocons and then picture them on the left.
Additional edit....You know that we elderly think of things while we are walking down the hall, many minutes after the fact and...bingo, why diodn't I ask....
The list you made starting with single payer, do you consider those hard left positioons? If so, I may have to make some modifications.
.Of course those are shared by the so-called hard left...we dont spend all our time plotting the overthrow of the Boy Scouts.....or making bombs.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Hi Thomas,
You speak the truth my man. Like Texas, America can never be a wholly liberal country but turning it moderate can be a comforting idea.
P.S.: Your state of TX was so close to call at first and Obama even came ahead. Then the red poured in. I hear Obama did rather well in most heavily populated areas of the state. Do you think Obama could make TX a swing state in 2012 and maybe even win it?
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
I'm happy to say our vote was a lot closer than anyone thought it would be. Texas changes like everything else. I absolutely think Texas could be turned in 2012. We are a conservative state, but there are many conservative liberals here, if thaty makes sense.
"We are a conservative state, but there are many conservative liberals here, if thaty makes sense."
Are you kidding? I used to be a die-hard conservative Republican until I cost my wife and children everything from losing my jobs to losing my home. After my wife reformed me mentally, I learned to put down my guns and think first. You can say I'm a recovering conservative Republican turned Democrat. I assume that your state is filled with those kinds or at least the kind that are conservative on some issues, liberal on some, and moderate/libertartian/green/independent on others, yes? My wife's sister who lives in San Antonio was excited at first to see TX so close but broke down in tears when the red filled in. She did cheer up when Obama gave the speech though. I guess that TX is too huge of a state and the population is more spread out unlike CA and NY although I hear that the suburbs in most states are a bit more open to Democrats these days given the economic collapse hurting the suburban areas in this country the most. I just get angry when people say that Texas is a backwards state despite the fact that it's just as diverse as CA, FL, and NY. I hope that like FL shrugging off Jeb's control, TX will do the same on the entire Bush family and I hope to God that not another in the Bush family run for the White House forever.
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
Thanks for your kind thoughts. Texas is finished with Mr. Bush. He will move into Highland Park (An exclusive enclave that is a city completely surrounded by Dallas near SMU) close to Dick Cheney and hopefully never leave it.
Texas is changing, but we will always be a conservative state I think. Centrist in our thinking.
There will never be another Bush as President. Never.
Thomas More, virtually any survey that's been done in the last five years that asks people about their positions on issues without labeling those positions has shown that most people support liberal positions - from health care to education, to regulation, etc. (Eric Alterman on Altercation has cited them numerous times.)
People call themselves moderate or conservative because the right - abetted by the media - has been on a decades-long compaign to demonize the term. But drop the labels and the majority hold liberal views.
That is quite true. And I believe a lot more people hold liberal social views than before. But they are certainly economically conservative. And even with the liberal social views, most will question how to pay for them.
I would suggest to you that Obama was elected by the center, the independents. They could swing back just as easily. This is not by any stretch of the imagination a liberal country yet. But labels are a pain and can be misleading.
Thanks for your thoughts.
.I am sooo glad our navy is keeping those pirates at bay...oh wait that was 1860.....
Sorry, humor is my shtick.....
When polled, people want money spent for education, for infrastructure, for health care, for social services, as long as the questions are put correctly. The monies we spend on a bloated beyond belief military could conceivably pay for much if not the whole agenda, just add a .01 cent tax on derivative trades for the rest of the dough ( thanks Ralph).
Obama was elected by spending literally hundreds of millions of dollars over a two year period. He was elected by never saying anything in any speech, by never voting for anything controversial in his fifteen minutes in the Senate, by never voting for much besides "present" in fact, more time by far than any other Senator. His short time as President Elect has shown him to be assembling a team that is far too close to the current administration,ideologically than any of us should feel comfortable with. He differs from Georgie in several ways of course, having an actual brain chief among them, but he is no great ( half) white hope..sorry, humor again....
I think, Thomas, that you fall into the trap most folks find themselves in, you believe the nation mirrors your own views, politically speaking. We all of us think of ourselves as centrist after all, what we believe is no different from what everyone believes and that it is good for the nation too...Excepting for us hard left types of course, we understand that we are standing out in the cold and rain....
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Center between which two poles? The corporate left and the corporate right? The left/right thing hold no more meaning. We'll find out within 3-4 months probably whether Obama's victory will issue in a new era of progressive inroads in DC, or whether it'll stifle it -- and we'll see that we're still a nation governed by DC insiders, wealthy/connected Ivy League, the financial industry, etc.
After a gut wrenching and soul searching week, I voted for Obama. If Nader had been building something instead of a one shot election run, I would have stayed with him for yet another election.
As far as democratic candidates go, its probably not going get much better than this.
I do not have high expectations. I am vert wary. I have huge doubts. I'm not a believer. I am extremely concerned that the hopes and enthusiasm of millions of young citizens will be trampled, discarded and abused. I also fear a new draft. It would be a lot easier for that to happen now. A lot easier.
Given what I've heard from Obama, I don't expect the warmongering to stop. I don't expect the treasury to be protected. I don't expect to get my privacy back from AT&T and Verizon. I don't expect them to do anything different, except in style only.
I'm also fearful of the David Corns, the Michael Moores, the Rachel Maddows and other "progressive" celebrities who will gladly add more fuel to the fires of divisiveness and their own brand of fear.
If anyone can do what needs to be done, its him. I'm willing to give the man a chance.
formerlytruthteller,you've covered most of the basics and even with the greatest of hope I don't envy Obamas challenge in Afghanistan or Pakistan which is a hell of a lot more difficult and dangerous than Iraq. One can't even pretend to declare victory and leave that part of the Empire without being exposed as a complete charlatan
Shortly after his taking office a reporter asked JFK what his biggest surprise had been. He replied "We found that things really were as bad as we had said they were"
I'm afraid Barack Obama will find things are even worse than he has said they were. There is a certain amount of irony in this. For many years of our history one of the few jobs open to African-Americans was cleaning up after white people. Barack Obama will be trying to clean up the biggest mess ever left by a white person.
We must wish him well.
Also, thanks to Karl Rove. He came in in 2001 vowing to change the face of American Politics by the time Bush left office. Did he ever!
I cannot explain just how tired I am of all of this talk about how great Obama is, when he has hardly DONE anything yet but talk a good game, so to speak. We'll see whether or not he can actually lead.
At least I don't feel sick like I did in 2000 and 2004, especially 2004. I was depressed for days.