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How to Fix the Debates: Better Moderators
The last of the Lincoln-Douglas debates took place 150 years ago today in the politically volatile Mississippi River town of Alton, Illinois.
As Stephen Douglas, the former Illinois Supreme Court Justice who was the incumbent senator, took the stage, a prominent Illinois Democrat, Dr. Thomas Hope, attempted to ask the candidate a question.
The exchange followed this course:
DR. HOPE: Judge, before you commence speaking, allow me to ask you a question.SENATOR DOUGLAS: If you will not occupy too much of my time.
DR. HOPE: Only an instant.
SENATOR DOUGLAS: What is your question?
DR. HOPE: Do you believe that the Territorial legislatures ought to pass laws to protect slavery in the territories?
SENATOR DOUGLAS: You will get an answer in the course of my remarks.
The crowd applauded, and that was the end of any attempt to "moderate" the debate between Douglas and his Republican challenger, Abraham Lincoln. Ninety-nine and nine-tenths of what was said in Alton, as in the other cities on the Illinois debate trail of 1858, was said by Lincoln or Douglas.
Modern debates are, of course, as fully defined by their media moderators as by the candidates. During the primary season, there were several debates where a moderator--particularly CNN's Wolf Blitzer--did more talking than most of the candidates.
Moderators have not been quite so verbose this fall, as the Commission on Presidential Debates puts its imprint on the process. The commission, a corruption of democracy run by former Democratic and Republican party chairs, so carefully manages formats and rules that those allowed to sit in the moderator's chair know full well that they must conform.
And they do, miserably.
To be sure, candidates Barack Obama and John McCain are somewhat at fault for the desultory nature of the debates so far. Obama is cool to the point of being frigid, hyper-cautious in his responses and so calculating that even when he delivers a zinger it sounds too rehearsed. McCain is too hot, so desperate to make a connection that he bobs about like a demented troll and steps on his own best lines.
Theoretically, the performances of the candidates should have been improved by prodding from able moderators.
Not this year.
The first presidential debate faltered as Jim Lehrer tried without success to get Obama and McCain to engage in a serious discussion of the financial meltdown that everyone else in the country was talking about.
The second presidential debate was just weird. Tom Brokaw, hamstrung by the ridiculous CPD rules, actually seemed at times to be debating the candidates about how to handle follow-ups. Here's a sampling:
OBAMA: Tom, just a...BROKAW: Senator McCain...
OBAMA: ... just a quick follow-up on this. I think...
MCCAIN: If we're going to have follow-ups, then I will want follow-ups, as well.
BROKAW: No, I know. So but I think we get at it...
MCCAIN: It'd be fine with me. It'd be fine with me.
BROKAW: ... if I can, with this question.
OBAMA: Then let's have one.
BROKAW: All right, let's have a follow-up.
MCCAIN: It'd be fine with me.
OBAMA: Just -- just -- just a quick follow-up, because I think -- I think this is important.
BROKAW: I'm just the hired help here, so, I mean...
(LAUGHTER)
OBAMA: You're doing a great job, Tom.
Ouch.
It is a reasonably safe bet that Bob Schieffer--who did not embarrass himself as the moderator of the 2004 presidential campaign's third debate between George Bush and John Kerry--will do a better job of managing tonight's debate in Hempstead, New York, than did his predecessors in Oxford, Mississippi, and Nashville, Tennessee. (Why these debates are being held in states that are not even remotely "in play" this year is a question for another day.)
But Schieffer will still be constrained by one of the CPD's many structural assaults on the democratic process. Because the commission decides who gets the honor of taking the stage with the candidates, moderators play it safe -- so as to be invited back for a repeat performance in some future election season.
Under the current rules, we'd be better off with no moderator. Just let the candidates go at one another, as Lincoln and Douglas did. The truth is that Obama and McCain, constrained by their shared desire to appear presidential, could pull it off without a problem.
Ideally, however, presidential debates would be moderated by journalists, thinkers and activists who could force the candidates to actually say something.
Here are five suggestions:
AMY GOODMAN: The host of Democracy Now takes no prisoners. She challenges politicos of both parties with questions that no one else has the guts or the understanding to ask. Dial back to her Election Day 2000 interview with then-President Bill Clinton if you want a sense of Goodman's skill set. And she has only gotten better over the ensuing eight years. No one would bring a broader range of issues to the stage and no one would do a better job of pressing the candidates to address them.
PAT BUCHANAN: The paleo-conservative commentator, television personality and three-time presidential candidate has big gripes with both candidates and both parties. He thinks Obama's a social libertine and McCain's an imperialist. He would challenge both candidates aggressively, using barbs, wit and an encyclopedic knowledge of the domestic and foreign-policy matters in which he has been intimately engaged -- often controversially, which should be a moderator qualification -- for more than four decades.
NOMI PRINS: A former managing director at Goldman Sachs and head of the international analytics group at Bear Stearns in London, Prins left Wall Street some years ago to write and talk about corporate corruption and the scandals, crises and meltdowns she so presciently predicted. Now a senior fellow with Demos, her 2004 book, Other People's Money: The Corporate Mugging of America (The New Press) was chosen as a "Best Book" by The Economist, Barron's and The Library Journal. Prins knows how to discuss finance, the current crisis and possible fixes in the language of Wall Street and Main Street. She could lead the candidates through a real discussion of the economic issues that are the definitional concerns of this campaign.
CAROLE COLEMAN: The toughest interviewer of George Bush during his presidency was not an American journalist. It was the Washington correspondent for RTÉ, Ireland's national network. Coleman interviewed the president in the summer of 2004 and actually demanded that he answer questions. The White House was furious. Coleman was undaunted. "Should I just have been more deferential to George Bush?" she mused. "I felt that I had simply done my job and shuddered at the thought of the backlash I would surely have faced in Ireland had I not challenged the president on matters that had changed the way America was viewed around the world." Imagine a debate moderator who actually thought her duty was to the voters, as opposed to the candidates and the CPD.
RALPH NADER: The nation's leading consumer activist should be on the tonight's stage as an independent candidate who has qualified for ballot positions in 45 states -- as should Green Cynthia McKinney and Libertarian Bob Barr. But Nader's history of challenging both parties, his disdain for the compromises of official Washington and his refusal to countenance political doublespeak is what makes him moderator material. He would stir things, to be sure. But Nader's deep understanding of and respect for the republic and its potential could conceivably introduce Obama and McCain to their better angels.
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25 Comments so far
Show AllSo what is your solution?
Elect Obama and hope for the best?
"How to fix the debates..." Open them to ALL the candidates ensureing REAL debate occours. Oh, sorry i forgot, The League of Women voters has been replaced by a bunch of corperatists!!
Welcome to AmeriKKKa!!!
The fix has been in since the Debate Commission was established. If you want your country back, VOTE NADER !
There have never been, and never will be, an open debate between all candidates on the ballot. there is usually over 200 candidates for president- you can't have a show with that.
Even the 15% is more or less fair (what is unfair is that M$M does not allow 3rd parties to get known... the solution for that is a national election system with publicly financed elections) and far better than having to appear on every ballot.
Then we could go back to the LoWV to run the debates. And then, moderators would matter.
On another note, I had fun watching the IN gov debate between a Dem/Rep/Libertarian. You could obviously tell who the lib was because he actually sounded different, the game was to try to tell who was the Rep and who was the Dem, and it was harder than I thought it would be.
And yes, Amy Goodman is the best out there right now.
Even replacing the 15% rule with a rule of "on enough state ballots to represent a majority of electors" would greatly cut down the 200+ figure.
How to Fix the Debates: Better Moderators
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Oh, I think that the debates are about as "fixed" as can be in their present form: faux-reality popularity contests with Respected Infotainwhore emcee "moderators". They're as fixed as a frog floating in a jar of formaldehyde.
It's like they say: if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Good idea. But in a direct democracy we wouldn't need professional politicians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy
Let's hope the debate tonight won't be as boring as the previous ones, but I guess that would be expecting too much. Great Grandpa McCain said he was going to kick Obama's you-know-what. ROFL.......we'll see.
Cease letting the two major parties control them. Problem solved.
This is a narrow-minded piece.
Perhaps the debates can be opened beyound the two corporate candidates and the audience will finally beenfit from a "debate?
The charades are OWNED by "The Party". No amount of "tinkering" will fix that systemic flaw.
All this sidestepping of not being outraged that Nader is being excluded from the debates reminds me of the joke:
One night, a man is searching the ground for something under a street lamp. Another man walks by and offers to help to look for the missing item. After a period of time, the second man asks, "Are you sure you lost it here?" And the first man answers, "No, I lost it over there, but there's more light here."
Nader is the one who Nichols is looking for but he's looking someplace else just because there is 'more light' there.
If you want the logical and coherent answers to the questions you have about the bailout, the Iraq War, corporate corruption, universal health care. listen to Nader and maybe you will understand why some are looking not where it is easier, but where the answer lies.
www.GoNader.org
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. ~ Albert Einstein
There are 6 candidates who could reach 270: Chuck Baldwin (Constitution), Bob Barr (Libertarian), John McCain (Republican), Cynthia McKinney (Green), Ralph Nader (Independent), and Barack Obama (Democrat) - THAT would be quite a lively & interesting debate!!!!! (:
While I agree with a lot of what he says, it seems to me that Nichols is a day late and a dollar short with this article. However, the real problem lies with the Commission. I live in New York, and will be voting Nader.
Did you hear Nader at Cooper Union tonight? Great speech! Maybe you can and others will be joining in the protest at noon tomorrow on Wall Street - at the NYSE, I believe.
Don't blame just the moderators. The system is RIGGED to block 3rd party candidates from debates via phony polls and restrictions.
Does anyone remember any of those famous social psychology experiments involving value conformity?
The one that most clearly comes to mind is when the researcher showed everyone a picture of two lines, one obviously shorter than the other and asked which was longer.
Around the room each respondent, a "plant", gave the wrong answer. Finally, when the real respondent’s turn came up, he simply could not speak his own opinion. With the force equivalent to psychotic hallucination, he too said the line that was shorter seemed longer.
That seems to be the main effect of the debates on the public. Two credible people debate whether a lot of war or a heckuva lot of war is preferable, or whether a lot of corporate welfare or a heckuva lot of corporate welfare is better.
In almost no time at all, the viewers begin believing that peace is not only not feasible, it is not even desirable.
The term for this is brainwashing. And it seems we love to be brainwashed, whether by the debates, the pundits, our friends, etc.
We are afraid of our own minds because we are afraid that others will disagree and ostracize us. Insanity doesn't make a very good foundation for an election.
This problem also appears when news commentary shows completely ignore a candidate. Viewers think, "Gee if they didn't mention that candidate I like, I guess it's not worth voting for him." And they don't even vote for him in a primary, where "spoiling" doesn't take place.
In the same vein, it is useful to recall Stanley Milgram's famous experiments on obedience to authority.
Great metaphor for this site. Of course, with a few notable exceptions.
NEWS Flash: Third Party Debate
The Free and Equal Elections Coalition (FREE) and the Columbia Political Union are pleased to announce that a Presidential debate will be held this coming Sunday, October 19th, 2008, on the campus of Columbia University.
ALL SIX of the Presidential candidates who appear on enough state ballots to acquire the 270 Electoral Votes needed to become President are invited. They are as follows (listed in alphabetical order by affiliation):
CONSTITUTION PARTY CANDIDATE: CHUCK BALDWIN
DEMOCRATIC PARTY CANDIDATE: BARACK OBAMA
GREEN PARTY CANDIDATE: CYNTHIA MCKINNEY
INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE: RALPH NADER
LIBERTARIAN PARTY CANDIDATE: BOB BARR
REPUBLICAN PARTY CAN JOHN MCCAIN
The Columbia Political Union will present the debate from 8:00pm to 10:00pm in the Altschul Auditorium, located at 417 International Affairs Building. The debate will be moderated by Pacifica Radio's Amy Goodman, the host of "Democracy Now". CSPAN will cover the debate, and live radio broadcasts are expected.
Check out third party candidates in their own words.
More info at: http://www.freeandequal.org
Last Tuesday, October 7th, the second presidential debate that took place in Belmont University in Nashville attracted over 60 million viewers. Instead of coming to a more firm deliberation on how to improve the well-being of the United States and all of the American citizens who inhabit it, more questions have raised about how exactly these presidential candidates intend to better our obliterated economy. Frequent questions asked about the $700 billion Wall Street bailout were left unanswered. People are upset and even fear that it would not work and are in search of reassurance and a solution. It seems like their main focus is basically to criticize each other in hopes of rounding up a larger number of followers than the other. Their proposed intentions are based on completely irrelevant issues. Let’s take Barak Obama’s stance on payday advance lenders for an instance. He categorized them as “predatory lending”- effectively sanctioning the industry. This is not an issue that is downheartedly affecting our economy. As the real economic problems are ignored, they spend more time finding and using the pettiest affairs to add spice to the banking production.
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Both major candidates are unqualified and dangerous. Puleeeeeese make them go away!
I could not agree more. Mr. Nichols I think a better title would be: THE DEBATES ARE FIXED.
Nichols continues to be bring new insight to the proposition of domestication. Considering the entire event is fixed by Democrats and Republicans who assert hegemony over the format of the debates, naming Nader and Goodman is nothing more than a fools quest.
The League of Women Voters ran the debates until they had the audacity to include Perot, then the scheming elites pulled the rug out from under democratic principles and stacked the deck against anyone else.
Nichols is playing both sides of the fence. Presumably he sees himself as a "progressive" when in fact he is so mired up to his neck in the status quo but finds it helpful to resort to name dropping to restore his lost credibility among authentic progressives who are in a minority on this site.
Nichols will ultimately get his wish: Obama appears headed for a landslide victory. And then we can watch as he names hundreds of status quo elites to insure nothing changes. How about CHANGE that actually CHANGES SOMETHING!
This article represents pulling the fool in the Tarot Deck.