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My Depression -- or Ours?
Among my somewhat over-the-hill crowd -- I'm 64 -- there's one thing friends have said to me repeatedly since the stock market started to tumble, the global economic system began to melt down, and Iceland went from bank haven to bankrupt. They say, "I'm just not looking. I don't want to know." And they're not referring to the world situation, they're talking about their pension plans, or 401(k)s, or IRAs, or whatever they put their money into, so much of which is melting away in plain sight even as Iceland freezes up.
I've said it myself. Think of it as a pragmatic acknowledgement of reality at an extreme moment, but also as a statement of denial and despair. The point is: Why look? The news is going to be worse than you think, and it's way too late anyway. This is what crosses your mind when the ground under you starts to crumble. Don't look, not yet, not when the life you know, the one you took for granted, is vanishing, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.
Today, in my world at least, this is the most commonplace of comments. It's just not a line I've seen much when the press and TV bring on the parade of financial experts -- most of whom are there largely because they didn't have the faintest idea that anything like this might happen. Whether they're reporting on, or opining about, the latest market nosedives, panic selling, chaotic bailouts, arcane derivatives, A.I.G. facials, or bank and stock-exchange closures, it still always sounds like someone else's story. I guess that's the nature of the media.
It's professional for reporters and pundits to write or talk about the pain of others, not their own. Normally, you just assume that's the case. So, for instance, when Frank Bruni, in a front page New York Times piece on the second presidential debate, writes, "Now the situation looks gloomier still, with markets in other continents tumbling -- with a world of hurt at hand," it really doesn't cross your mind that he might be including Frank Bruni in that description.
Here's a rock-you-to-your-socks fact I happened to read in a news report the afternoon of the day that Barack Obama and John McCain had their town hall meeting with 80 uncommitted voters and moderator Tom Brokaw. In the last 15 months, according to the Associated Press, Americans lost $2 trillion from their retirement plans. Now, that's a world of hurt and you could feel it the moment Brokaw first called on an audience member. Allen Shaffer rose and asked: "With the economy on the downturn and retired and older citizens and workers losing their incomes, what's the fastest, most positive solution to bail these people out of the economic ruin?" I have no idea what Shaffer's situation is, but I'll tell you this, his didn't sound like a reporter's question. It sounded close to the bone. It sounded like a world of hurt. Not surprisingly, neither presidential candidate actually responded, in part, undoubtedly, because to be close to the truth either would have had to say something like: Hey, how the hell do I know?
At this point, despite the onslaught of news about how bad things are, dotted with portrayals of Americans in trouble, I suspect there's quite a gap between the world as reported and the world as felt by most Americans. Let me give you a simple example. In the news these days, it's common to hear that we are at the edge of a real recession or, as International Monetary Fund managing director Dominique Strauss-Kahn put it, "the cusp of a global recession," or even the verge of a "deep recession."
Recently, the word "depression" has finally made it onto the scene. Little wonder, as ever more financial institutions totter, while, for the first time in memory, the initials GM and the word "bankruptcy" repeatedly end up in the same headlines. "Depression" arrived on the media scene, however, in a formulaic way and usually quite carefully hemmed in as part of a comparison: If X does or doesn't happen, this will be "the worst crisis since the Great Depression," or simply that it is "the worst [you fill this in] since the Great Depression."
And yet a recent CNN poll indicates that nearly 60% of Americans think an actual depression, even a great depression -- not a situation bad enough to compare to one -- is "likely." To many of us, it's already starting to feel that way and that's no small thing. When you see a Wall Street Journal headline like last Friday's -- "Market's 7-Day Rout Leaves U.S. Reeling" -- don't you feel like you're in a different world, however the experts care to define it?
The edge of panic in the voice of a friend telling me about the 401(k) she's not looking at catches the story for me. It's visceral and scary and, let's face it, whether this is the half-forgotten past coming back to bite us or the future kneecapping us, it's depressing as hell.
Being Depressed
And speaking of depressions no one is much talking about, let me just say what a journalist can't: I'm depressed.
It crept up on me, but I can date the feeling to the first week of October because a friend emailed me on September 29th this way: "I'm given to gloomy thoughts... You really get the sense that things are on the verge of spinning out of control."
I remember the email I wrote back with a certain embarrassment. I was neither gloomy nor down, I responded. My reigning feeling was one of "awe" -- that you could live your whole life and never experience a moment like this one. At about the same time, I told another friend that I found it staggering to turn a corner, bump into History, and discover that he's unbelievably gargantuan.
Even as I sent that email off, it felt kind of callous to me, but it was what I thought I felt. The media claims to know -- and report on -- "our pain," just as the presidential candidates claim to feel it. How could they? I didn't even know my own. It took a remarkably long time to notice that weird feeling -- as if another body were sagging inside mine -- I identify with depression, and so finally say to myself: Okay, maybe you were awed, maybe you still are, but you also feel gloomy as hell.
Here's the strange thing: I've been running TomDispatch.com these last nearly six years. I've written (or posted) with regularity on how the Bush administration, with its blind, fundamentalist faith in military power, had pushed an imperial America into a precipitous decline. In July 2006, I typically ended one dispatch on the subject, "The Force Is Not With Them," this way:
"Oh, and there's one fundamentalist character I've left out of the mix, someone who definitely bows down to force. Call everything that's happened these last few years Osama's dream. It's hard not to think of William Butler Yeats' poem, 'The Second Coming,' and then wonder: 'And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?'"
I posted a piece at TomDispatch in April of this year in which, to some criticism, Wall Street expert Steve Fraser specifically brought up the "D" word in this passage:
"Nonetheless, the current breakdown of the financial system is portentous. It threatens a general economic implosion more serious than anyone has witnessed for many decades. Depression, if that is what it turns out to be, together with the agonies of a misbegotten and lost war no one believes in any longer, could undermine whatever is left of the threadbare credibility of our Gilded Age elite."
Last January, I even posted an essay by Chalmers Johnson, bluntly entitled "Going Bankrupt," suggesting that we were fast heading the way of Argentina 2001. I've certainly long been convinced that we were spinning out of control, that this was madness, and that we were, in some fashion, heading down.
But a near global financial collapse and crash in a matter of weeks? I can't claim that such a possibility even crossed my mind. And anyway, who can ever claim that learned and lived history bear much relation to each other any more than do the experiences of reporting and being reported upon.
That was a thought, a construct. This is my life. That was so much writing on the page. This is the world I'm sending my children into (which depresses me more than anything). I find I have no particular faith that, in the worst of times, the best of things will happen.
Now, at least, the media is talking about the Great Depression and, of course, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, fireside chats, and the like. Even Barack Obama did so the other day in an interview with ABC's Charlie Gibson. But, of course, the Great Depression brought Hitler as well as Roosevelt to power. And if people are disturbed by the anger, the threats, the rage exhibited recently at McCain/Palin rallies, then hold your hats as things turn truly grim. So I sit here and worry. And I know I'm not alone.
In these last days, I've thought some about my parents, about their whole generation which lived through the Great Depression, those fathers and mothers who had a "depression mentality" for which we, the young growing up in the 1950s and 1960s, had no patience, and about which we had next to no curiosity whatsoever. I sure didn't anyway. That was so past. Despite the good times, they feared otherwise.
It's unnerving when history becomes yours, when no one can tell you where the bottom is, or what life will be like after that bottom is reached. It's one of those moments when you discover why overused phrases -- I think here, for instance, of "through a glass darkly" -- were overused in the first place.
What a grim Alice-in-Wonderland feeling this turns out to be -- in which the world simultaneously seems to shrink to you and expand to take in everything. Maybe this was what it felt like in parts of Asia as the great meltdown of 1997 began, or in Argentina as national bankruptcy hit in 2001. I wouldn't know. Those were distant tsunamis to which we were immune. It was Washington then that dispatched the International Monetary Fund to other countries in such crises to "impose discipline." Now, ominously, the IMF (and the World Bank) are imposingly back in Washington -- and not for a night on the town either.
The Invisible Ruins
I'm a New Yorker and, soon after September 11, 2001, my daughter and I took the subway downtown to see the damage for ourselves. The jets had been screaming overhead the preceding days, and that acrid smell from the collapse of the towers had drifted up the island. But walking in that area, which wasn't yet known as Ground Zero, glimpsing down blocked-off side streets those humongous shards of the World Trade Center, that was staggering. The indescribable scale of destruction was something the small screen simply couldn't transmit. Within a few minutes, still blocks away, our throats were already raw and we were hacking and coughing.
As for so many people then, life brought films to my mind. In my case, those giant shards conjured up, as I've written elsewhere, the final scene of the original Planet of the Apes -- that unforgettable shot of the Statue of Liberty atilt and half-buried in the sands of time as the two humans escape down the beach on horseback.
And yet in September 2001, the real damage was largely confined to a number of square blocks of downtown Manhattan, including the shut-down Stock Exchange on Wall Street, as well as part of a single building in Washington DC and a field in Pennsylvania. This, we were told, was "the Pearl Harbor of the twenty-first century." And soon enough, with a helping hand from the Bush administration, Americans from Akron to El Paso were officially -- and mistakenly -- terrified for their lives and for their country. In the next seven years, the Bush administration managed to turn that misplaced fear into something like prophecy and bring down the house.
Today, on a visit to lower Manhattan, there would be no smoldering fires, no smoke, no raw throats, no gaping holes, no smashed buildings, no ruins, and yet, as you walked those streets, you would almost certainly be strolling among the ruins, amid the shards of American financial, political, and even military superpowerdom. Think of it as Bush's hubris and bin Laden's revenge. You would be facing the results, however unseen, of the real 9/11, which is still taking place in relative slow motion seven years later. It should scare us all.
Hey, I'm depressed, aren't you?
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Show AllThis thread is interesting - The people who once believed in America sound more depressed than the ones who gave that idea up years ago.
I think it's great Karma that the country is running out of money just in time for Televisions to become more expensive. I killed my TV years ago so I do't care. But without the money to upgrade all the TV's in America -
Maybe there will finally be rioting in the streets after all!
Let me say I believe in America, that the thieves that have been running rampant have depressed me and I have no doubt that we will come back.
No rioting in the streets, sorry.
What will we do when no "rioting" is necessary for them to shoot or arrest us?
Blackwater shot people for taking bread and pop from Wal-=Mart in New Orleans--they were DYING!!! And Congress has allowed Bush, in a signing statement (FISA--thanks Dems), to overturn Posse Comitatus Act, and there is a brigade already stationed here.
Bush says shoot them--you. What say you?
We have les than 2 weeks until an election, one that is pretty well sewn up. We have a right to demand answers to this kind of stuff. The "Kill Obama !" and "protestors are traitors" crowds are already screaming redneck revolution. We need to get answers.
BTW---not the people I just spoke of, but, most of the people in these areas would be on progresives folks sides if we just head a natl leader to back up our positions. We need to tell Obama to do that. Or, to , at least, do what he was promising in the Primary.
"And Congress has allowed Bush, in a signing statement (FISA--thanks Dems), to overturn Posse Comitatus Act, and there is a brigade already stationed here."
He does not have that authority. Signing statements can be used for some things. I don't think those troops officers would obey what they know to be illegal orders. There is a bit more thinking in the military than some admit.
I never heard of any "blackwater" people in New Orleans, nor the shootings you describe.
As to the right wing idiots at McCains elections, they are a vocal minority just as you have surely heard vocal leftists say the same about Bush and Cheney. I know you've seen much of that posted here.
Its just a bunch of fanatics that don't count for much in the long run. At least thats my take.
Thomas, I will get you some links.
http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=117&a=1431
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/95-964.pdf
http://www.infowars.net/articles/november2007/161107terror_hell.htm
See, especially, the pdf whch is from the govt./
I thought that Blackwater in NO was common knowledge by now. See "Blackwater" by Jeremy Scahill, p.400--actually, I put a quote here for you--but my old machine keeps hitting a key that erases it. So, this is a shortened verion of what I wanted.
Ask the La. Natl Guard--they had to take orders from them. I cant believe that people dont know this.
Posse Comitatus was overturned in a bill written up by Warner, Levin and Kennedy. See a link above.
See also, the article at AlterNet by Naomi Klein.
Here is enough to make your skin crawl/:
"Blackwater" by Jeremy Scahill...pp400:
"For Blackwater, Katrina was a mometous occasion--its first official deployment on US soil...whie it raked in a hefty sum for the domestic disaster operations...breaking into a new, lucrative market for its mercenary services..."
The digital TV thing IS funny.
This could be devastating for local broadcasters. Good. They've paid NOTHING for using our radio spectrum. Been nothing (and still are) absolute whores for Washington and Wall Street. They offer us NO debate on anything (thank you Anheuser-Busch, one of the primary sponsors of the "Presidential Debates" for years--and one of the biggest spenders on ad time.)
Well, I keep thinking how ironic it is that as the world situation gets worse and worse--the current economic crunch being the least of it--I'm NOT depressed. No doubt it's because I'm in the best relationship I've ever had, it's been 4 years now so I can count on it, and we're building a house on ridgetop land with beautiful Appalachian woods around. I don't worry much about the economy because I have no investments. I do feel an urgency to complete the same kind of preparations Stone was talking about--like getting the solar electric system at least ordered. I'm 52 and have great doubt that Social Security will exist by the time I'm eligible--but by then if all goes well I'll have a farm operation running smoothly. Someone pointed out that the best secure set-up can be stolen by a desperate family man with a gun--this does worry me, but there's no use dwelling on it.
There are enormous threats facing us all: climate change is likely to do more than just make some places a bit less comfortable--it's likely to reduce the carrying capacity of the Earth from its current perhaps 2 billion to something much lower. Stupid governmental reactions to oil depletion may exacerbate that problem (ie tar sands oil development, ethanol, nukes, coal liquefaction) and others (more Middle Eastern wars, Great Depression II). And there are still thousands of nuclear weapons in the hands of countries with unstable, reckless leaders, like Russia and the US. If Palin gets into the White House I think we may be in extreme danger, as she appears to be a Christofascist eager for Armageddon. Not having a cushy retirement is rather far down on the list, and an economic collapse might just save us from one of the worse scenarios.
This is one of the best threads I have read on CD in a long time. I'm 61 and too sick to work anymore, appealing my first denial of a Social Security Disability claim. Revenge Girl expressed it best, the way the system treats you like a loser and a liar when you're in too much pain to walk to the mailbox. And the doctors from whom you would expect compassion give only bitterness and anger, as if you're stealing a miserable $800.00 a month from their fat wallets. After working for more than 40 years, you think that nothing could be worse than the daily humiliation and repression one experiences in the American workplace. Then you confront the impassive monster of the Social Security system and the mind reels in disbelief. I too have been expecting this crash for several years thanks to the work of people like James Kunstler, Robert Heinberg, Noriel Roubini, Matthew Simmons, Etc. However, now that it's finally here, it is more frightening than I imagined.
You are not alone (well, I'm quite a bit younger). But, I get less $$--they took my retirement pension (what I had paid into it), when my COBRA ran out, so I could get Medicaid.
Dosnt Medicaiduck? I wish I thought the "change in govt" would help us.
My dr. recommmends a surgery, and I might be abel to work again----most people have no idea how horrible it is--they think you like doing almost nothing--we know that thatis not true.
I would pray for you , if I was a believer. I'll just wish you peace, we can never give up on trying to change this system
Thats typical. They deny every first time claim they get. But you will get it and remember its retroactive to the time you applied so you will get a lump sum figured from that original date when it is approved.
Not much comfort now I know....
Don't forget to read all your medical records!
If you have a lawyer - they probably won't recommend that because they don't have the time for clients going ballistic over whey they find.
There are Republicans everywhere and they lie - especially doctors!
Believe me I know I've seen it first hand.
Does anyone see a pattern here? I have read on and on , and posted some.
If we want a just society, these people CANNOT fall thorugh the cracks! We must demand it!! If you care, DEMAND IT!
I will NOT abandon my fellow USAn's, we just cant. Especially when someone is old, ill, poor,---what kid of people do we want to be?!@
This CAN be fixed..they just want to you to think it cant be. Its BULLSHI!!
If they can take $800 bilion for the rich--what can we not fucking fix!!
We have to demand it!! The stories here, the situations posed here--are what make the rest of the world wonder where our morality went, if we have any.
I am NOT content with this--and neither are most of you.. this country is whqat WE choose. We CAN save people--we can ave ourselves in the process. Demand better thant the duopoly, please.Doesnt some of it break your heart?? Thats a good sign--you have one!!
It is whatever we want it to be, peoples.
The threat of sickness is Washington & Wall Street's strongest leverage over the People.
Keeps us working hard and scared to death in order to secure our healthcare.
In the meantime, they live like gods--invading other lands, taking their stuff, destroying their families and cultures and keep us at bay by focusing us on just trying to stay alive.
The United Socialist States of America: Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the rest.
You're depressed! Give yourself a lift by considering bringing back the pillory. We should you know. There are plenty of folks in banks and financial institutions and in White Houses who deserve to be jeered at and pelted with rotten fruit.
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And you people believe that Obama will turn this mess around? He is a corporate candidate like McCain.
Open your eyes, wake up.
All you have to do is stop fearing and vote for Nader. He is smart. He has fought the corporate structure all his life and won. He has honesty, ethics, and a strong moral compass.
Vote for any candidates other than the Demo's and Repub's. What do you have to loose but your chains?
Vote for Nader to honor the idea of Democracy and keep the idea alive, but at the same time remember what Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
When you got nothing you got nothing to lose.
When hope is lost there is still revenge.
Remember the Lincoln Brigade.
Nothing exists.
Think about it. The masters of money don't want people to collect social security. They don't want people pulling out their retirement funds. They'd prefer to see those funds, well, some place other than in the hands to which they belong. So then, the solution for them is: the funds disappear. I retired at the age of 57 (2 years ago) because it made sense to me to no longer work for "da man" at a time when just driving to work was getting too expensive. For years I started scaling back on what my family could live on and paying off debt. We chopped up our credit cards a decade ago and if we buy something we pay for it. If we don't have the money we don't buy it. Today, this is "un-American". But freedom is having no debt.
Ah, but jozef, you do have debt. Your family owes about $32,000 - borrowed money used to kill hope around the world, along with killing millions of people.
Americans have lived well while others suffered, and now its our turn to be IMFed.
(I know that people above have told about hard times, but that is relative. In Iraq 1,000,000 million people have been killed and 4,000,000 have been driven from their homes. The rest face daily oppression and misery. Even homeless people here frequently have cars to live in, and the trash in America is full of perfectly good food.) I am predicting much worse times here in the good 'ol USA.