Why 'Change' Has Already Won
It's starting to look as though Obama will also "win", however. The political winds have shifted significantly over the past two weeks, and it seems that presidency is now Obama's to lose. Although the polls remain close in several key states, Senator Obama has - in the last week- pulled ahead (according to numerous polling agencies) in Colorado, Florida, Missouri, and Virginia, and is a serious contender in Ohio- a state considered solidly red just a month ago. The McCain campaign has effectively already conceded Michigan by pulling out their entire campaign apparatus there, and Obama now even stands a chance in places once considered impossible for a Democratic candidate to swing, such as North Carolina and Indiana. GOP master-strategist Karl Rove's own website shows an electoral map that (as of this writing) gives the election to Obama with a victory of 273 "sewn up" electoral votes and another 102 considered "toss-ups", leaving McCain with just 163 fairly secure votes less than four weeks from the election. Even if all the toss-up states broke for McCain, that 265 votes would still not be enough to put him over the top. To add insult to injury, the mavericky market doesn't seem to be responding to the bailout bill quite as quickly as its backers has hoped, and it is the GOP who is (correctly) bearing the brunt of that burden. So if you think McCain is panicking, you'd be right. This of course does not mean that Obama and his supporters should expect to coast between now and election day. Three and a half weeks is a long time in an election cycle, and McCain has shown he is willing to sink very low in the effort to affect a shift in the momentum for Obama.
To wit: McCain and the GOP's desperation over the past two weeks- since the discomfiting performance by Sarah Palin at the VP debate, where she demonstrated a sophisticated grasp on nary an issue of domestic or foreign policy- has begun to manifest in numerous and appalling ways. There was Palin's statement at a campaign stop in Clearwater, Florida that Obama used to "pal around with terrorists," followed by McCain's bizarre Afghanistan ad, which shamelessly distorts a quote from Obama in order to imply that he has verbally attacked the American troops there. And then last Sunday night, Sean Hannity - a proxy (perhaps "shill" is a more apropos term) for anything GOP - hosted a special program for Fox News entitled "Obama & Friends: The History of Radicalism," which among other things, revisits the "Is he Muslim or isn't he?" question, accuses Obama of associating - befriending even-known domestic terrorists, and just for good measure (in case the Muslim thing doesn't stick), reminds us that Obama's former pastor Rev. Wright is a fundamentalist preacher who uses his church pulpit to advocate for Christian black nationalism. Hannity also made sure to blame Obama for the current financial markets meltdown, the logic for which is a real head-scratcher, even by Fox's basement-level standards. And these just represent the tip of the iceberg. It's become painfully obvious that McCain's campaign has resorted to the only strategy it believes it has left: to throw everything including the kitchen sink at Obama, and hope something sticks. Is Obama secretly Muslim or is he a follower of Reverend Wright? Is he an elitist or a socialist? When even your smears contradict themselves, you've got a serious problem with your message.
But that is only one piece of picture. There are many other ways in which McCain, his message, and it would seem, the GOP has already lost. So we must ask- just what has campaign of "reform" managed to accomplish since Sarah Palin was brought onto the ticket?
- First, they've confirmed that they have no qualms about continuing the Bush/Cheney tactic of using fear and shock by exploiting crises to their political and/or economic advantage. Naomi Klein's prescient book "The Shock Doctrine" explains in disconcerting and illuminating detail how the dynamic works. Ironically, however, the shock and confusion of voters in response to the current financial crisis has worked against McCain's campaign, who is now trying eagerly to separate themselves from the disastrous policies of the Bush administration while simultaneously trying to convey conflicting messages of "maverickness" on one hand, and reassurance to the true-believing Republican base that the campaign does in fact represent them. Oops.
- Second, they've attempted to exploit - mostly via proxies in "news" media- the suppressed racism and bigotry of a subset of voters, in the apparent belief that the fear of a black president will be enough to trump reason and facts. It's a waste of energy, however, because there simply are not enough dedicated racists in the United States for this message to make a significant difference in the final count. The people for whom this message resonates have already made up their mind. The rest of us just find the tactic beneath the dignity of a man whose primary strength going into this campaign was his perceived integrity.
- And thirdly and perhaps most bizarrely, the philosophies that underlie both the Grand Old Party and the ideology of conservatism itself have been completely abandoned. This has been written about extensively elsewhere, so allow me to break it down to the most significant points. Conservatism, by definition, is about the suspicion of change. It's about preserving tradition and the status quo. Since Governor Palin was put on the ticket, McCain has attempted to co-opt the theme of "reform." Setting aside the amusing irony that the reform McCain proposes is in response to the very policies he's advocated for decades, the fact is that - on principle - true conservatives are suspicious of reform. Additionally, conservatism puts an emphasis on civic virtue and the need to work for the development of the community. That sounds an awful lot like "community organizing", doesn't it? (Fortunately, the Democratic Party also makes this value a priority.) So it was quite surreal indeed to see such strongly self-identified conservatives like Mitt Romney and Rudy Guilani mocking the notion of community service during their RNC convention speeches. It seems that the Republican leadership has disconnected itself completely with the notion of ideological conservatism, and has replaced it with a stylized, simplistic rhetoric that is intended to provoke a visceral response without actually saying anything real. All of this presents a multifaceted set of concerns for true-believers in the Republican base, starting with the fact that their presidential ticket (and evidently most of their party) does not truly represent their values or their interests.
So there can only be one explanation for the otherwise unexplainable indignities on the part of McCain and the GOP (other than McCain's excessive ambition to win the presidency): in a very important sense, they recognize that have already lost.
A key substantive difference between McCain's campaign (and to be fair, pretty much all political campaigns) and the movement whose momentum Obama's success symbolizes is in their respective conceptualizations of power. McCain speaks about and wields power in a way that suggests he thinks of it as a top-down phenomenon: something that - from the perspective of a voter - happens "to you" or is exerted "over you." That is not only demoralizing to a democratic citizenry, but it is fundamentally undemocratic in design. On the other hand, Barack Obama's great appeal (and what I think explains the depth with which his message resonates with young and previously disaffected voters) is the fact that he understands power as a bottom-up phenomenon. Obama recognizes that no leader can truly lead without the active consent of the people. It is a highly empowering message and moreover, it's authentic. Which makes it very, very difficult to compete against. For example, in start contrast to McCain supporters- most of whom seem to simply repeat their campaign's loudest talking points, Obama's supporters have for many months now taken genuine ownership over the campaign by designing and implementing creative actions on their own volition. One recent example is the "Great Schlep", which calls on Jewish youth to travel en masse to Florida to convince their grandparents to support Barack Obama.
So in many respects Obama- or rather, what he represents- has already won: the movement for a real change- starting with a renewed understanding of power and it's corollary, civic engagement- will go on whether Barack Obama wins the presidency or not. Movements can be hindered, but once they gain the kind of scope we've seen in this country over the past six months, they are very difficult to undermine. Is there anyone alive today who would argue that the Civil Rights Movement would have come to a halt had Nixon had won the presidency in 1960 instead of John F. Kennedy? The momentum may have been temporarily slowed and the victories might have taken longer to achieve, but they would have come nevertheless, because, in the words of MK Gandhi, "A victory attained by violence is tantamount to defeat, for it is momentary." Although in the United States in 2008, the debate is not about exactly the same kind of violence to which Gandhi was referring, the meaning is still relevant. At some point, people find themselves unwilling to continue being complicit in their own disempowerment; to be abused by a culture of oppressive fear. And once that point has been reached, no message of "reform" - no matter how well-packaged in anger, cynicism, greed, prejudice, or fear - stands a chance against a message of genuine change.
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Show AllCynthia
Please accept my apology. My presuppositions about you were false. I regret the outburst. Go with G-d!
Of course I accept. That was very gracious. Thank you, and likewise.
I would BEG those who are considering not voting or voting for Nader to consider one KEY point:
1. the extreme level of racism in our nation and the insitutional racist actions that follow (Katrina, poverty, drug wars, Iraq war, etc.).
Obama, in his speech on race in Philadelphia this spring, so CLEARLY stands out from ANY candidate we have yet seen in the U.S. on this essential point.
If his presidency can even BEGIN to bring whites and blacks together- and to ameliroate the brutality of racism- even a little bit- that, alone, is reason enough to vote for him.
OBAMA HAS A CHANCE OF WINNING, Nader doesn't.
I wish that white progressives would set their white-skin-privilege aside long enough to realize what Obama's victory would REALLY mean to this country.
And- maybe most important of all- what his success would mean to the rest of the (non-white) world.
OBAMA '08
I agree with Penelope (and Cynthia Boaz). We need to distinguish between whether Obama's presidency would make a difference and whether he is 'our man,' i.e. close to the value system of progressives. The answer to the former is a resounding YES; to the latter, well, it's more complicated than that. There is little a progressive -- and he may be one -- can do when s/he is embedded in the present cultural and political system. That has to be completely overhauled (and yes, we are working on it) before a President would be supported to do something rational and get away with it. Meantime, for heaven's sake, let's get him elected. Change from the top won't change everything but it's one piece of the action. Work hard for Obama, but don't stop there!
Boy, have we come a long way since the the days when Obama fawners were hailing him as the next Messiah. Now its, "he "may be a progressive".
I guess he has really revealed himself in the ensuing months, hasn't he?
PRO WAR
PRO GOVT. SNOOPING
PRO BIG BUSINESS
PRO BIDEN WARMONGER
PRO BAIL OUT
PRO NUCLEAR
PRO CHARTER SCHOOLS/MERIT PAY
PRO OFF SHORE DRILLING
Who knows, maybe he's a progreessive? Must a new kind of progressive.
Indeed!
He's ANYTHING BUT a progressive.
And yet millions of progressives will vote for him -- *hoping* that he will, magically, turn into a progressive.
Quoting from an article by Donna Volatile:
"McCain is a war mongering bully who is in your face. Obama, on the other hand, is a smooth talker, whose own foreign policy positions aren't too far removed from McCain's; and one has to wonder which is worse, or indeed if there really is any difference at all.
"The idea of voting for the lesser of two evils, McCain being the more evil, according to Obama supporters, seems ludicrous given that both of these candidates will ultimately do the bidding of their masters and the master plan is the same for both parties.
"This should be quite apparent by now and if it isn't, well, by all means vote for Obama and reap your just rewards. ...Do you really think 'Obomba's' idea of war will be kinder and gentler than McCain's?
"Obama supporters will tell you 'but he's honest and so sincere', and 'he's run a clean campaign' or 'he's one of us' (that one always gets me) but they remain blinded to what is obvious to many on the radical left and many on the traditional conservative/libertarian right: Obama is a player and he is playing the game of the global elitists.
"Since he has all but secured his party's nomination, he's becoming more militaristic by the minute, in both tone and by his stance on several key foreign policy issues.
"Obama and his VP Choice, Senator Biden, however, are not the crux of the problem, but rather the mainstream voters are the problem as they continue to enable the corrupt two party system by consistently supporting the candidates being foisted upon them by controllers who select them in the first place and who are reinforced by the mainstream media machine in the second.
"These are not choices, these are lack of choices and if voters continue to participate in this sham, then they truly get what they deserve!
"With Obama supporters, the phrase 'blinded by the light' takes on a whole new meaning. What part don't you get?! This is the party threatening to place demonstrators at the DNC in recently erected detention camps and the party whose House majority leader, Nancy Pelosi, ridicules the anti-war movement and the homeless: 'If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they'd be arrested for loitering but because they have 'Impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment.' Funny how both parties get upset over that whole free speech thing...
"What is most stunning about delusional Obama supporters is, when confronted by the aforementioned facts about Obama, they counter with this inane idea that Obama is only 'saying' these things, he doesn't really mean them, it's only to get elected and once he gets elected the true altruistic essence of the man will save us all from tyranny! (Can we say reality check?!)
"Their indefensible support of this double talker is beyond comprehension.
"If you want to help put a stop to the rigged election game, if you really want to make a difference and you want your voice of disapproval to be heard, then do VOTE! Vote for ANYBODY but the two buffoons, who have been pre-selected for you by the global elitist machine. Send a message, loud and clear: We refuse your choices.
"Vote Nader, vote McKinney, vote Ron Paul, vote Bob Barr, write in a vote, do whatever but don't support the corrupt system. Commit to a protest vote. Vote your conscience, do not vote under the 'lesser of two-evils' threat because then YOU are part of the problem, not part of the possible solution. (We've been on this trip too many times before. ... From 'hope and help is on the way' Kerry to Obama's constant harping on 'Change We Can Believe In', you have been sold a bill of goods from first to last. For all of Obama's talk of change, his words and actions show quite clearly, he means more of the same...)
"For those diehard Obama supporters who refuse to see the hand writing on the wall ... YOU are the problem. ... For those die-hard Hillary Clinton supporters, promising to vote for McCain because your war-monger wasn't the chosen one, seek psychiatric help immediately.
"And one more thing. ... Evil is evil, bad is bad, wrong is wrong regardless of sex, race, creed or color.
"And another thing ... If you vote for Obama, you are neither liberal nor are you progressive, so let's get that straight. If you vote for Obama, you are a neoliberal, so get use to it.
"Stop making excuses, there are none and time is running out as an even larger war may be in the making.
"Get those blinders off!
"This is your wake up call!"
Agreed. I heard on NPR (very tame stuff) today that Obama had cozied up to Whites to ascend to power instead of the traditional way Black politicians do it: by standing up to Whites. To me he is the consummate sellout.
Thank you, Michael.
Metta.
What an Obama presidency will mean is the same as it will mean with a McCain presidency: more of the same.
Wake up!
I don't want to tell other people what to do, but how in the world can anyone still be duped by the democratic party?
I'm glad there are a few (unfortunately just a few) that realize that real change will only come outside of the mainstream corporate parties.
It is only when the majority of people stop voting democratic or republican, that we can possibly see real change (though we must be vigilant regardless of who is the candidate).
If our current democratic (and republican) candidates haven't given us enough reasons to not vote for them (the war, FISA, Walls Street bailout, environment policies, lack of universal health care etc), then we will accept death, even offering them a clear shot of our necks as they chop us down.
When will you say enough is enough?
Vote third party, vote Nader, vote Green. Don't support the corporate elite.
www.NotOneMore.US
Thanks coyote, I'll check it out.
Far from helping “Main Street,” as claimed by the politicians and the media, the bailout measures are designed to achieve a further concentration of power in the hands of a few giant banks. This will have a harmful effect on working people, students and small businesses, whose ability to obtain loans and credit, and the fees and interest they are forced to pay, will be set by firms exercising monopoly control over the financial system.
Both the substance of the bailout measures and the manner in which they are being imposed provide a stark demonstration of the iron grip of Wall Street over the state and the dictatorship of finance capital that exists behind the trappings of democracy in America.
The Democrats, from congressional leaders to presidential candidate Barack Obama, were the main backers of the bailout bill, and have given their enthusiastic support to the expanded bailout measures. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sent a letter to Paulson congratulating him on the new plan.
read more: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/oct2008/wall-o15.shtml
Agreed Coyote, change for chumps.
The plan, as crafted by Paulson in consultation with his banking cohorts, is designed to secure the personal and institutional interests of the most powerful sections of the American capitalist class. It mandates no structural or even regulatory changes in exchange for placing the resources of the country at the disposal of Wall Street.
None of the CEOs whose speculative activities resulted in the near-collapse of their own institutions are required to resign, let alone face financial or criminal reprisals. The plan does not even require that the banks use the money handed them by the government to lend to other institutions, businesses or individuals.
Paulson has made clear that the stock obtained by the government will be “non-voting,” that is, it will not entail the banks’ ceding any control to the state. As Bush stressed in his Rose Garden remarks on Tuesday, “... these measures are not intended to take over the free market, but to preserve it.”
read more: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/oct2008/wall-o15.shtml
Here is something you may find interesting Ric:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6507136891691870450
Astonishing how the 'change from within' crowed ignores the obvious.
But they can never cite one thing they have changed. I've heard that straw man now for the last 15 years beginning with Hayden. Funny thing is they cannot tell you one substantial piece of legislation that advocates a progressive issue, in fact the reverse is true..
No impeachment, no end to war, no ebb in the flow of wealth upwards, no single payer, no social programs, no end to government spying, no end to huge military budgets, no end to militarism, no end to imperialism, no money.
Obama, "CHANGE" you can believe in.
The only "CHANGE" your going to see is what's left in your pockets.
Just what have the Democrats done in the last 8 yrs to thwart Bush? To ask the question is to answer it. But now we are supposed to believe the consumate sellout and Wall Street politician, the one vetted and approved by the establishment, is going to bring us "CHANGE".
This is the same Obama who stayed up at night furiously calling Democrats to get them to change their votes and support the Wall Street bailout of fat cats. Mind you Obama supported the original bailout before it even had "sweeteners" like pork barrel payoffs for those opposed to the massive transfer of our wealth to the same criminals that took it in the first place. The same crooks that were vacationing on yachts while their firms went under and the Democrats/Republicans came running with more money.
Yeah right, lets talk about "CHANGE".
It is called chump change Ric.
"So in many respects Obama- or rather, what he represents- has already won: the movement for a real change- starting with a renewed understanding of power and it's corollary, civic engagement- will go on whether Barack Obama wins the presidency or not."
I think you're right, Cynthia - the movement has begun. Whether it has won or not, remains to be seen. What determines whether it wins or not is whether enough of US will make that a reality.
Fair enough, Ted.
And very well put.
They have nothing to lose. They know that they have coaxed the "Democratic" party so far right that even if they lose... they win.
There is no discernable difference. Obama is little more than a Republican in Democratic drag... Trick or Treat!!!
No matter how much you would like to spin to the contray, all Americans who want real change have lost... and in a very BIG way...
spare some change?
You know Rich likes to tell it like this, my paraphrase.
It is ironically funny that a Democratic apologist is accusing people to the left of the Democratic Party as being trolls, the Democratic Party enacts all of the legislative agendas of the Republican Party, they defend it against impeachment, they roll over on their backs and sanction extreme judgeships, they fund the Iraq war after promising otherwise, they take away our rights under FISA, and now funding the biggest corporate welfare Bill in history. If anyone ought to be accusing any one else of being a troll, it is those on the left who ought to be doing the accusing and the Democratic apologist's ought to stand as the accused.
(Rich, If I butchered that, please offer the correct version: but like everything else Rich posts here, right on the money.)
Boaz notes this in her article: "On the other hand, Barack Obama's great appeal (and what I think explains the depth with which his message resonates with young and previously disaffected voters) is the fact that he understands power as a bottom-up phenomenon."
That is a rather startling statement in light of Obama's voting record. FISA is a top down bill. Obama also voted on behalf of every Iraq Funding Bill (with the exception of one, and that one later had the objectionable language removed) that went before the US Senate. Obama's failure on numerous other issues all reflect a very healthy respect for the patriarchal system. Obama's environmental agenda is a give away to status quo elites as already identified: coal (Center for Responsive Politics notes Obama took over 1/2 million for both Senate and Presidential campaigns from the Coal industry. As more land transitions to higher paying crops for bio fuels, world wide starvation will increase and food prices soar, not to even mention that bio fuels are just as harmful to the the climate. Nuclear will be built with tax money, but nevertheless run as a for profit business: notwithstanding the pivotal negative critique against it, i.e., radioactive spent fuel outlives the containers they are stored in by hundreds of years and often contaminate ground water. Nuclear is always built near poor neighborhoods, and you can be sure, they won't be built anywhere near where Boaz lives and her elitist friends. Now, Obama is asserting off shore drilling just like McCain. All of these issues are patriarchal in scope and praxis.
The author is offering nothing more than a grand obfuscation of the truth.
After reading some of her follow up comments, it is pretty obvious that the author of this article lives in a social vacuum with the rest of the Bourgeoisie elites who post here. (Hedges excluded!)
This is for anyone who still can think outside the white box demonstrating why Obama's "Change" campaign is nothing more than a clever slogan for the sheeple:
Be sure to scroll down an activate the film clip entitled, The Difference Between Obama and McCain toward the bottom of the page:
http://prisonerofstarvation.blogspot.com/
That's so silly. You sound just like McCain.
If you're going to make ad homieum attacks, try to at least be original. :-)
The characterization "social vacuum" now constitutes an "Ad Hom" attack?
Talk about silly!
No, "bourgeoius elit[ist]" = ad hom.
Not to mention wrong.
Is that the best you can come up with?
I am afraid your beliefs are getting in the way of the truth my dear.
Critiques of unconscious voting patterns are not personal attacks. If you want to trumpet a negative critique against the Republicans and avoid such a critique against the Democrats that reflects the gross incompetence of your own bias.
Chris,
You sound like a person who really has his/her shit together. Please tell us what you do to move the progressive movement forward. And please, spare us the long list of what you don't do. What DO you do.
It has been my experience that if one offers personal information it is then ridiculed by those marching lock step with Obama.
But your question is legitimate. So at the risk of hubris, I will tell you.
I worked in the non profit environmental world for over twenty five years for substandard pay and for organizations outside the status quo. I will not name them for obvious reasons and the risk of being put on some government list that Obama has worked hard to endorse by his vote on FISA.
Personally, I have not owned a car for over twenty years using public transportation, my bike, or using my two legs. .
Conversely, this woman works for the status quo. All institutions of higher learning fall under this rubric with the possible exceptions of Naropa, California Institute of Integral Studies, and Pacifica. Maybe there are others. But most main line academic institutions participate in corporate investments, the military industrial complex, and other oppressive entities.
So it strike me as disingenuous of this author to puppet standards married to the status quo exemplified by her own association with an entity that benefits from government funding.
What do you do?
"It has been my experience that if one offers personal information it is then ridiculed by those marching lock step with Obama."
Don't you think you've already polluted the discussion by throwing up straw men and knocking them down? If I disagree with you then I'm marching lock step with Obama? Where does that leave me if I agree with the premise of this article or take issue with your position?
I've worked on several campaigns: for a Democrat (Jerry Brown), a few Greens (Nader and some locals), and an independent trying to unseat a Democrat placeholder. Like Cynthia, I write articles and letters, sometimes taking it to the Democrats, sometimes taking it to the people themselves for just being cauldrons of cynical stew. I do other things, but that's enough.
Chris, I can imagine that after 25 years of non-profit work (I also was a board member of a non-profit) for substandard pay, you may be a little burnt out. I know I would be. And in a way, I can understand your cynicism (and I do see it as cynicism). But jeez, friend, let some of it go! If we wait for the perfect solution we'll be waiting forever and losing forever. There is just too damned much at stake! Let's do some strategic work for a change and start with the best hand we can get and go from there.
Man, I've been where you are and I grok. I really get it. The system is broken! But I've decided to change strategy because banging my head against a wall just hasn't worked. We have an opportunity here to jump several spaces ahead. That's when OUR work really begins. There will always be imperfections. Let's accept that and move on. What do you say?
Ted, my values are more important to me than the political pragmatism you endorse. I fail to see how a "broken" system will be righted by a vote for the least worst. I respect anyone's right to vote their conscious. But am tried of seeing jaundiced pieces like this intended to caste the Democrats as saviors. Obama's record is anti Earth and pro corporate at every turn. If you disagree, that is your right. We agree to disagree. But given the urgency of a planet in peril, I see no hope for a change of the order of magnitude necessary. Some people refer to it as denial. And I think this woman has a deliberate dysfunctional case of it. Hedges is the only authentic progressive writing on this site in my view.
How about Glenn Greenwald?
Thanks for the reminder Ric.
Dean Baker isn't shabby either...
My name is Cynthia, not "this woman."
Do you know anything about the California State University system? Let's just say I didn't go into academia for the money OR the status.
And, guess what. I don't own a car either! :-)
http://www.sonoma.edu/afd/fnd/af_invest_policy_revised.pdf
Apparently Sonoma's investment policy is foreign to you, my dear.
Ever consider the novel approach of walking your talk?
As for status, why the educational tattoo after your name? Given you repudiate status, hardly a disclaimer.
I do not understand your last sentence. Are you suggesting that I feel the need to rely on the PhD after my name in order to establish credibility?
Hmm. Well, yes, I guess it helps, but no amount of letters after my name is going to substitute for truth. Feel free to ignore my degree.
Please stop calling me that. It's degrading and a little surprising coming from someone who claims to be so progressive.
You expect me to quit my job because of SSU's investments policy? Are you serious??
I do walk my talk, everyday. Are you in the area? I invite you to come to my next public presentation, which will probably be on election night, as long as you're not as creepy in person as you are on the internet.
Given the context of the tripe you present in this article what makes you think I would have any interest in wasting my valuable time to listen as you stand on your elevated perch and bring down the seminal word on the passive body of the congregation you so faithfully represent?
Okay, whatever nerve I just hit, it was unintentional. I didn't mean for you to become so angry.
You implied that I do not walk my talk. I invited you to judge for yourself.
I don't know who you think I am, or how you've been scarred by academics/activists/progressives in the past, but I sense some projecting going on here. I do not have an elevated perch, nor do I have (nor would stand for) a "passive body of the congregation." But I am flattered nonetheless.
Calling yourself an activist is a self flattering promotion of your own sense of self importance, just another oxymoron given what you endorse here.
Do we know each other in person? I'm being serious. If so, I'd love to engage you on this charge. It's hard for me to not address your personal slurs personally, but I am trying.
If you're basing my claim of activism on what you've seen me write/publish on CommonDreams, then I can understand your skepticism.
I'm not "endorsing" anything, other than the shift in perception on the part of people that *they*, not anyone in public office (or any other position of perceived "authority") are truly in control. That I happen to see some of that in the movement that is manifesting around Obama should be encouraging, not a source of hostility from you.
Boaz, you really have this switch and bait thing down pat. I am using my real name, what is your latest obfuscation intended to prove? Don't you know the people with whom you associate? Nowhere in my engagement have I used a demeaning slur like you did describing me as "creepy." You assert some feigned invitation with one hand and with the other you retract it by describing me as deviant. How convenient that must be for you. I use words like "my dear" or "that woman" or "elite" and you throw a tantrum about it. But it hardly equates with the muck you throw around when someone takes you to task.
Maybe you can explain what value is any movement when built upon a house of cards? The trouble with your analysis is that you are a self described activist getting nothing what you claim to stand for because of you support of a candidate that cannot give you what you want. The practical result finds that Obama is paying back his big investors in the corporate world with his less than progressive votes. The result then is that you are left in the strange position of defending issues you are against by association with Obama. Issues like accepting trade and cap, rather than a carbon tax; like a covert war in Pakistan which Obama asserted earlier, off shore drilling, nuclear, bio fuel, and coal expansion, military expansion, corporate giveaways, corporate influence, corporate health insurance rather than single payer. All of these issues have been advocated by Obama in some form or another. The record is irrefutable. The endorsement you offer therefore, is the linkage between the movement you speak on behalf of, measured as it is against Obama's status quo policies. Advocating a movement that is mired in the same sterile policies of the past is a dead end.
Obama as you note has tapped into powerful archetypal forces moving people, but under what conditions?
Perhaps what we are really talking about is a cute ancillary tool predicated on a clever marketing strategy crated by the best corporate gurus money can buy, and then using those forces to mobilize people, but not to the end of authentic transformation outcomes. This, then, becomes nothing more than shaping beliefs through the use of an ideology that renders illegitimate authentic progressive solutions As I mentioned earlier, I am taking about change that actually changes something. Here is where your argument collapses. Any new movement that turns itself backwards instead of forwards, and then putting itself in a straight line with corporate forces of the old guard will eventually become impotent and sterile. People will finally see it for what it is, i.e., more of the same. This is what Obama has done. He has not taken the movement in a progressive direction but continues to offer numerous rationalizations to defend his conservative record on all those issues I have named.
Moreover, I suspect a new generation of cynics will emerge because of it. Once the realization sinks in that Obama has sold out the progressive cause by his political pragmatism, more and more people will see the empty promise of a new movement. Cynicism - after all - reflects distorted promises. If we live in an age of cynicism, it has become so because of people more interested in their own prestige, power, and self importance. The selfishness knows no bounds.
Furthermore, you are operating out of the same matrix of forces you are arguing against. You cannot have it both ways. You cannot collect a pay check from a University engaged in corporate money via investments and then pretend to stand outside of it. The entire proposition is tanned with hypocrisy. In which case your activism is in a state of perpetual contradictions.
Chris,
Why are you now calling me "Boaz," when I specifically asked you to call me "Cynthia"?
You got me. I have the audacity to piece together an income (however paltry), which (as a single-income family) is enough for neither a home nor a car. And meanwhile, I simultaneously claim to work for real change. Yes, it would be much better for everyone-- me, my students, my family (one member of whom is currently dealing with a critical illness, making me the only person with full-time employment in my orbit-- extended family included)-- if I just gave up working for the man and started volunteering full-time and for no pay at a local non-profit. I'm sure that would be very fulfilling spiritually, but unfortunately would not provide health insurance, food, or other basic necessities. Great idea! :-)
Embittered progressives are so interesting. Your life experience compels you to be cynical, but your ideology demands that keep open the possibility for transformation. You are entitled to draw whatever conclusions you wish from my writings, but I ask that you stop disparaging me personally, as it's not just mean-spirited and frankly, a bit violent, but is a spiritual blow to every global citizen who is hoping for better.
I regret the "creepy" remark-- what I wanted to convey is that you seem unnecessarily hostile towards me, and if I encountered you in person, I'd hope that you would be more civil.
What's next, are you going to accuse Hedges of being a troll too?
Real change will happen when people come to realize that:
our liberal side is humanistic, conservationist, scientific, peaceful, democratic courageous, strong, intelligent, creative, truthful, diverse, beautiful, ecological, and
our conservative side is bestial, greedy, exploitative, superstitious, warlike, reactionary, stupid, weak, destructive, fearful, lying, racist, ugly, polluting, uniform, ecocidal.
Conservatives: Born to wage war around the world, steal, loot, pillage and murder for America. They've got God and guns. They are the meanest of the bunch.
Liberals: Willing to go along with anything. Are by far,the weaker of the two. Sneaky, but not as brilliant at strategy as conservatives. They have no god, no compass of any sort. The "default party" when conservatives need a break to count their money and strategize for the next round. Stand for nothing.
Jesus, Gandhi, Schwitzer, Einstein, Buddha---liberals
Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Bush, Pol Pot, Pinochet---conservatives
exeflyer,
If the people you list as liberals were alive to day, they most certainly wouldn't want to be called liberals!
Liberals today are too often associated with DPAers -- Democratic Party Apologists.
Many people believe that today's so-called "liberals" are as much to blame for the nascient fascism that exists in the US as right-wingers are -- in that U.S. liberals today have systematically *enabled* the right-wing at every turn, both domestically as well as internationally.
No, the people you mentioned above as being liberals would, instead, nowadays be *radicals.*
Most liberals today are "cruise missile liberals" -- Democratic Party apologists -- well-tamed and safely-pacified by the political establishment into accepting a "vote-for-the-lesser-of-the-two-evils" philosophy. ... In other words, brainwashed into accepting T.I.N.A. -- the idea that "There Is No Alternative" to the Democratic/Republican duopoly.
That's a philosophy that not only enables the Democratic/Republican duopoly to continue to move the US political consensus to the right -- it's also a philosophy that assiduously avoids the political and moral implications of the last word in the phrase "vote for the lesser of the two evils." ... And none of the people you listed as liberals (Jesus, Gandhi, Buddha, et al) believed in evil, did they?
As long as liberals today believe in T.I.N.A., believe in voting for the lesser of the two evils, they are enablers of Bush and Company. ... And, surely, that's not what the lives of Jesus, Buddha, Ganhdi, et al stood for.
Jesus, Gandhi, Buddha et al wouldn't just be voting, they'd be in the streets and in the jails with the poor and the indigenous: those who have been systematically disenfranchised from the oligarchic-oriented political system. ... And they surely wouldn't be "voting for the lesser of the two evils" -- they'd choose candidates radically to the left of the Democratic-Republican duopoly.
As for the "conservatives" you list. They're not conservatives. They're dictatorial right-wing reactionaries. True conservatism has nothing whatsoever in common with the people you've listed.
Meanwhile, perhaps you would like to answer this question ...
If George Bush is named in a list that includes Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot and Pinochet, how does one categorize a party (the Democratic Party) and a candidate (Barack Obama) who in their political voting have "enabled" Bush and Company at virtually every turn -- allowing them their way on a host of life-and-death issues?
Hello Obama supporters,
What "change" does he stand for?
Please don't respond with answers like "he's not an idiot like Bush" or absolutely false statements like "he'll end the war" or predictive assertions like "McCain will bomb Iran".
I'm asking for real differences, like that McCain opposes Roe v. Wade while Obama supports it (even though I doubt that means anything because McCain does not support a constitutional amendment banning abortion). Or Obama stated he will let the Bush tax cuts for the richest 1% expire, whereas McCain wants them made permanent. Or that Obama wants to openly attack Pakistan, whereas mcCain wants to do it in secret or possibly not at all.
I'd like to see if we can agree what the real differences are between Obama and McCain without sliding into pure rhetoric.
"What "change" does he stand for?"
He's not an old white guy :-)
Ok, why I'm really voting for him...his experience as a Constitutional Law professor (who better to fix the imbalance between the branches right now?)
His huge amount of support among the youth, perhaps finally ending the apathy of 18-25 year olds when it comes to voting.
And especially, his huge support internationally. I have never heard of the world so hopeful for the outcome of one of our elections before. Have you?
As Cynthia mentioned above, I plan on keeping as much pressure as I can (which is probably jack shit) on Obama once he's elected to get him to improve his position on issues, to be more progressive. At the very least, he's highly intelligent and a reasonable person.
McCain has none of these qualifications. And that's assuming I still thought he was honest...I did until he sold his own history out by his support of Bush's veto of the anti-torture legislation. (I didn't learn about Keating until later, I'm only 25, that was way before my time).
What do you think about these differences?
Yes, Obama was a professor, yes Obama has a great deal of support from young people, yes Obama has support internationally ...
But guess what? ... You forgot just one teensy-weensy little thing ...
YOU FORGOT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT EVERY SINGLE OBAMA SUPPORTER ASSIDUOUSLY AVOIDS ... that is to say: On what issues do Obama and McCain fundamentally disagree!
Put another way -- In what way is the Democratic Party an oppositional party? ... The answer is THEY'RE NOT! ... They've enabler Bush and Company at every turn.
They agree on Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan.
They agree that if necessary nukes should be used in Iran.
They agree that the Pentagon budget should be raised.
They agree on FISA.
They agree on "no impeachment for Bush."
They agree on no single-payer healthcare -- although every other advanced country in the world has it.
They both approved Condi Rice, Robert Gates, and all of Bush's Supreme Court justice -- as well as a host of other executive and judicial appointments.
Immediatley after he captured the nomination from Hillary, Obama appointed Josh Furman, a strong Wal-Mart's supporter, as his chief economic advisor. See http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/06/10/9534/ ... This as part of an overall post-primaries lurch to the right.
Obama has also expressed interest in retaining Robert Gates and Henry Paulson in an Obama Administration. See http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4232070.ece as well as http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/business/22treasury.html?pagewanted=print
The list of Obama/McCain similarities goes on and on and on. See further up in this thread my "18 Reasons, If You're a Progressive, Not to Vote For Barack Obama."
All "soft-left" Obama supporters can bring to the discussion is their "I'm voting for the lesser of the two evils" argument. ... Assiduosuly avoiding the word "evil" in that political calculation.
Meanwhile, to quote that famous American philosopher and former suspenders salesman, Larry King, raise your eyes to the beginning of this post and ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
As I have said to some of my friends, I believe it is the difference in their character that is significant, not their policies (what makes you think I like Obama's policies?). The big difference is, who is more open to changing policies for the better, McCain or Obama? That is Obama, no contest. As long as we have this stupid as hell electoral college system, third party candidates won't have a chance. If we do popular electing of the Presidency instead, and as another article called for, free campaign ads on TV as a public service, then the two-party system will die. And I will happily dance on its grave :-). But I was asking for z's response. not yours, although it is appreciated.
No reply? Okay.
I would like to thank wsws.org for doing a wonderful job answering the opposite question: how are they the same.
There's no doubt in my mind that Obama will win in 2008 -- just as Kerry won in 2004 and Gore won in 2000. And we all know what happens after you 'win'.
Only this time they don't have to blame it on butterfly ballots, they have the built-in "Bradley Effect."
On optimism: I go back and forth between despair and hope.
In 2004 I worked my bum off during the election season, only to see the U.S. fail again (in more ways than one). But this year is the first election I've ever been so emotionally engaged. And not because I believe Obama is our newest savior or anything; I think it's because I feel whatever shift Cynthia is talking about, and I am glad it was put into words for me. (By the way, also loved your article on Handmaids/Aunts, Margaret Atwood roxx.)
When you can go onto MSM websites and get video of candidate supporters who are obviously ill-informed, ignorant, and racist... and the audience, reporters, commentators, and even opponents are overwhelmingly disgusted by them? I hate to be so cynical, but yeah that's a step in the right direction. That we're not meant to have sympathy for willful idiocy, yes, I am thankful for that.
Thank you, invisible chzbrgr.
This one is too big to steal.
In both 2000 and 2004, it was so close that by switching a few votes in one close state they could flip the Electoral College.
In this election, Obama is heading for something like 320 EVs when he needs 270 to win. Its too big.
Besides, the real power in this country, corporate money, is backing Obama. I don't think they'd let the Republicans 'steal' the election they've paid hundreds of millions to win already. If the Republicans were to try, I think we'd see what happens when the real power in the country starts to see what they want overturned, and their hundreds of millions of dollars lost.
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Barack Obama has gotten significantly more money from corporate America because there is a strong feeling among the oligarchic class that "change" is, indeed, needed.
Of course the change the "oligarchic-few" have in mind isn't the kind of fundamental, progressive change that would benefit the "democratic-many." Quite the contrary, the change they have in mind is how to more efficiently (read: more militarily, more brutally) oversee the American Empire and its military-industrial assets and markets.
The ruling class understands very well what a disaster the Bush Administration has been, especially in terms of its foreign policy. They supported both John Kerry and George Bush in 2004 and are supporting both Barack Obama and John McCain in 2008 not because any of these duopolistic, corporatist candidates will make life substantially better for the poor and the middle classes, but rather because these oligarchy-oriented, corporatist candidates are willing to continue imperialist wars, internationally, and, domestically, to continue the "upward shift of wealth," from the poor and middle classes to the rich and super-rich.
And perhaps, they feel, Obama can do this better than McCain.
Note Obama and MCain's fundamental agreement on not only Iraq, but Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan.
Recall, too, how in a July 16, 2004 interview John Kerry gave to the Wall Street Journal (speaking to the WSJ, in effect, being like speaking directly to the ruling elite) recall how when he was asked, if elected, how long the US would probably be in Iraq, Kerry's answer was: "for probably the next four years." ... That election being no more a "real choice" than this one is.
Many in the ruling class believe that Bush screwed up, big time, and that Obama could "do better." That is to say, better serve their oligarchic agenda.
An additional benefit to the ruling class should Obama get elected -- after all, they gave Obama *more* money than they did McCain, and not just for the fun of it --an additional benefit to the ruling class an Obama victory would provide would be that many Americans will say: "Oh great, Obama won! Now things will get better for us, now things will change for the better!" ...
Of course they won't. ... Nothing fundamental will change -- Obama will act on behalf of corporate, oligarchic interests, domestically as well as internationally (as he's done so reliably in the past), but what the ruling class is hoping is that whatever "rumblings" exist in the general population, whatever social turmoil exists among the "democratic-many" will, with an Obama victory, not get out of hand; will be kept within the confines of their oligarchic agenda.
... They hope.
Neither Obama or McCain offer true change from the Washington status-quo. They receive money from the same pool of lobbyists and are both working for corporations, not the citizenry at large.
I just watched Ralph Nader on CNN. It is no surprise why the MSM refuses to pay attention to him - He is actually advocating true CHANGE. Listening to him makes you realize just how similar Obama and McCain sound.
Barack Obama offers change you can believe in. John McCain knows how to change Washington. A chorus of other candidates chant “change, change, change.” So change is the watchword of this presidential election. But what does it mean?
The ancient (older even than Senator McCain) Book of Changes says: After a time of decay comes the turning point.
Are we there yet?
Decay is all around us. Our infrastructure has decayed. Bridges collapse. Standards for food safety have decayed. Thousands get sick. Even after our greatest disaster, emergency response has decayed. A city drowns. Financial oversight has decayed. Millions face foreclosure; banks fail; debt balloons;savings disappear. Environmental stewardship has decayed. Global warming and wasteful consumption threaten us all.
But more significantly our resolve has decayed. We are hurt, angry, and afraid.
We are indeed in a time of decay. And so I ask again, are we there yet? Are we at the
turning point?
We can be, if we choose.
We are powerful. We can exercise that power with reason and restraint. We are productive. We can more equitably share the wealth that we produce. We are caring. We can reach out to each other, especially to the least among us. We are resilient. We can overcome hurt, anger, and fear. We can turn, not away from the good that we have been and dreamed, but toward a greater realization of the best within us, in all our diversity and splendor. We can turn toward “a more perfect union.” Ronald Reagan said that we are too great for small dreams, and he was right. But we are also too great just for dreams, no matter how grand. We are great enough to realize – to make real - our dreams, the dreams of all people for security, prosperity, freedom and justice.
The I Ching goes on to say “the powerful light that has been banished returns.” Some say that Barack Obama is that light, but they are wrong. No one is the light. We are the light. A leader is only the medium through which our light shines. Like George Bush has, and John McCain will, a leader can diffuse that light and leave us to wander among the shadows and decay. Or a leader can focus the light, illuminating the difficult path away from decay and toward rebirth and a better future. With all his flaws, Barack Obama can be the lens that gathers our light – the light of our hopes and dreams and determination to overcome decay.
So let us claim this moment in history as our turning point. Let us turn - not back to the old, to those most responsible for decay, nor to the futility and frustration of those who will not be elected. Instead, let us turn toward a unique candidate for these unique times, and then demand of that new leader the focus, the illumination, the rebirth inherent in hope and change. Vote for Barack Obama not because he offers hope, promises change, or brings the light; vote for Barack Obama because he knows that the hope, change, and light are within each and all of us.
If we claim this turning point, “the old is discarded and the new is introduced; both measures accord with the time….” But do not be deceived; the work will have only just begun.
Sourcewatch provides an interesting page about Ms Boaz, which includes links to some of here recent writings, some of which were previously posted to CD. Her focus on the movement rather than the person befits a PolySci PhD. And her insights regarding Sarah Palin are gems, IMO. Her willingness to discourse with commenters, as she's done in the past, is quite commendible.
My questions for her are, having recently moved from NY to CA, what differences in this movement have you observed, and do you think it powerful enough to be transcendent?
There is no effective movement for change. To believe that we are currently undergoing a national change in consciousness is to be too invested in electoral politics and to be duped by the current tide toward the Democratic Party.
What would constitute a meaningful vision of change?
First and foremost, we would see a rejection of materialism. We would see a voluntary downsizing of the gluttonous American lifestyle to something that reflected a respect for our humanity over our vacuous material pursuits. We would see a movement toward a way of being that was more sustainable given the limits of global resources. Does anyone currently see that process unfolding? I sure don't!
Second, we would see a national awakening to the realities that the US has been a very, very bad actor on the world stage. Until we move beyond a false sense of patriotism and nationalism and demand a government that honors what most of us know is right and wrong, we will get more empire and less global cooperation. Militarism is a disease. I see very little evidence that Americans have come to understand either that or the true nature of their government's abuse of military power.
Third, we would see a shift away from the selfish libertarian meme that fails to understand that your "right" to get your share might just be making it harder for someone else to get theirs. We don't need to have each and every human transaction controlled by government but we also cannot allow a competitive survival-of-the-fittest to leave so many without housing, health care, and hope. It's time we recognized that trickle down is dead and that we, the people, have the power to dismantle any corporation that sets its narrow selfish interests against those of the broader society. Is there a trend toward demanding that corporations serve the whole society and not just an immoral pursuit of profits at any price that I haven't been hearing about?
We need to value labor over capital. The very idea that capital gains receive "tax discounts" while earned wages do not clearly reflects our misguided values. Capital gains, like all income, should be based on the recipient's tax bracket and should not receive any special tax treatment. I wonder if they'll explore this idea in the next debate. Somehow I doubt it.
Fourth, we need to understand that most commercial advertising is political advertising. Why are BIG OIL companies allowed to advertise but environmental groups are not allowed to advertise? For that matter, why do we allow corporations to spend money to support or oppose ballot referendum questions at all? Each and every car ad should be opposed by an anti-car ad. Why should for-profit companies be able to outspend the voice of the people? Will that be part of the big change we're supposedly seeing?
And, what about real change on global warming? Is there a national consensus to restrict driving and ration gasoline? Are Americans coming around to the reality that our planet is at risk and we have to make radical changes in our lifestyle? Or, once again, will we only react when it's way too late? Putting in cute little light bulbs and saying your next car might be a hybrid is an inadequate response to the environmental crisis that confronts us. Are Americans demanding a re-engineering of society to address the crisis? Are we demanding a reduction in commuter miles? Are we demanding localized agriculture? If there are big changes going on in this area, people sure are being quiet about them.
Some might believe there is real change happening and that the population is energized and aware of what must be done. Without question, the "free market" Reagan crowd has finally run its course. They're over and done. So, yes, that's a kind of change. But, sadly, it's yet another blind "let's give the other guys a chance" kind of change. It's not a new vision of where we need to go. It's not a "committed energy" to fight for a better future. At best, it's a rejection of the old ways and an openness to try someone new.
Changes like that only last until the new guys meet with failure. Changes like that fail to lay the groundwork for a new and sustaining vision. Changes like that are, in the end, really not changes at all.
Nicely stated! Obama like his followers use the word change as a slogan to mobilize his disciples. I use the word disciple given the religious zeal of his followers and those buying into the mythos he has created through clever marketing, obfuscation measured against his rather conservative voting record, and his cozyness with too many white inside the beltway elites. His latest support of a massive give away Bill to corporations was the last straw for me. My vote will go to Nader or Mckinney.
Yes, and you would know something about religious zeal wouldn't you? Actually, you made your choice for president known on September 18, 2008 at 8:53pm, if not earlier. So, you aren't being 100% truthful here are you? How does that saying go.... Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...
I sin daily, but then I'm a sanchezite and have my own philosophy.
welshTerrier2:
The needed changes you're articulating I agree with, but you must realize they encompass a massive cultural shift to the point of embracing a new paradigm. Such a shift will not be rapid, although the course of real events will help to increase its pace more effectively than any one leader. As a prerequisite to enabling such a shift, an initial movement against the entrenched reactionaries is required, which is what the Obamaites represent. We may see it as tepid and insufficient, but what exists is real; and for us to fight it rather than encourage it, IMO, is wrongheaded.
karlof1:
Thanks for your feedback. You and I are 110% in agreement with your statement that:
"they encompass a massive cultural shift to the point of embracing a new paradigm. Such a shift will not be rapid, although the course of real events will help to increase its pace more effectively than any one leader."
I have no delusions that these changes are likely to happen anytime soon. The essential point of my post, beyond the list of changes I provided, is that not only aren't these changes underway but that even the seeds for them have not yet been sown into the national discourse. That's where I see us as failing. Most Americans have not even heard ideas like most of those I proposed.
Our inevitable decline, based on our current laws and policies and short-sightedness, will, indeed, assist with bringing about change. I worry, though, that if we remain as ineffective in offering a competing alternative vision as I believe we are, our tragic future will bring the kinds of radical changes we may not desire.
As for Obama and Democrats and third parties, let's just say we disagree. My post did not intend to focus on this debate but rather emphasized my view that I don't see a real vision for change taking place in the country right now.
Having said that, I can tell you that as a former Democrat, I've had it with the Democratic Party. I genuinely hate them for the suppression of democracy that their exclusion of third parties condones. I genuinely hate them for kicking Kucinich and Gravel out of the debates. I genuinely hate them for choosing the political expediency of the center over real progressive values. I hate their militarism.
I've come to see the Democrats, who, in my view are better than the Republicans, as a party that continues to slash us with their knives but, unlike the Republicans, demands that we are provided with bandages. As I said above, that's really no change at all.
We need to stop two immoral wars; the Democrats keep funding them. We need to address global warming; the Democrats will not demand the needed sacrifices. The planet is dying and Mr. Obama pledges $1100 for the military for every $15 of investment in alternative energy sources. It's just possible his priorities are a little screwed up. I see global warming as a much greater risk than a foreign invasion of the US. Don't you?
I don't expect these changes to occur overnight. I don't even expect Democrats to demand these changes anytime soon. What I do expect is an honest airing of these ideas. The last thing Democrats will allow is voices, or ideas, from the left to be heard. They want us to "just go along" while they "win" by catering to the center. Well, no thanks. Been there; done that. If I have no voice in their "big tent", they better not be counting on my support or my vote.
Again, I understand the skepticism, but how do you know Obama (and more importantly- the *people* to whom he is indebted for his victory) will be such a sell-out???
Aren't you afraid of a self-fulfilling prophecy? Why don't you concentrate on demanding more from him once he wins??
Cynthia,
Agreed, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Maybe that's what they want. It will give them more grist for their mills and will let them off the hook for their jobs as citizens.
Your posts are usually more thoughtful than this.
First, I don't appreciate being part of a "they."
Secondly, you know nothing about my role as a citizen.
Thirdly, I provided a detailed description of the kinds of changes I think this country needs and you reduce all of it to a "self-fulfilling prophecy" without any discussion beyond a personal attack. I won't return the favor.
If we disagree on the issues or on the best voting strategy, that's fine. To dismiss what I wrote, and to trivialize my efforts without knowing anything about me, is nothing more than a cheap shot.
I usually avoid those types who use all caps in posts but hey,
Look at his VOTING RECORD !!
Have you bothered to look at the Cat's voting record? Accordingly, he HAS SOLD OUT! Maybe you missed. it!
--Wall Street 'theft\bailout' of $800 billion.
--FISA act and telecom immunity.
--His support for the war in Iraq and expanding that war further in the region.
--Even going back to votes of his like when he voted for the "Class Action Reform Act" that gave corporate America what they wanted.
Could probably make a longer list with research instead of typing off the top of my head. But, when push comes to shove, Obama has a track record.
And most of all, the hundreds of millions of dollars of corporate money in his campaign accounts.
How do you demand more from him once he wins, when he won't even listen now when we have something he despearately needs ... our votes. I've seen two attempts to try to steer him away from very pro-corporate positions. One was on the FISA act and telecom immunity. And he basically told the people trying to organize against that vote to go stuff it. The other was recently when most of the country was screaming loudly about giving $800 billion to wall street, and again he told the people to go stuff it while he supported his contributors.
We'll have much less leverage than that once he's unreachable in the White House and we have nothing he needs any more.
I long ago learned to watch all politicians by their actions, and to ignore their words. Obama changes his words often to suit the circumstance and his audience. But his actions have consistently been one of total subservience to corporate power.
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First, let me say that I appreciate your participation in the comments section. I wish more CD authors took the time to have a true dialog instead of just dropping their bombs and returning to their bases.
Now, having said that, please note that it was you and not I who used the term "sell-out". I didn't even mention Obama in what I wrote and, to the extent that I alluded to the two major parties, I documented my reasons for not believing they are agents of change. I don't see them as "sell-outs" because I don't think they are even promising the kinds of changes I think we need. "Sell-out" implies lying. I think they don't have the right vision in the first place. I discussed my vision of the changes I think we need and suggested that not only are the candidates nowhere to be found on the issues I raised, but I see no broader awareness that their supporters are either.
You're the one who suggested change is underway. I cited a number of areas I think changes are badly needed and suggested that there is very little evidence that change is actually occurring. If you want to talk about self-fulfilling prophecies, I would argue that we will not get change until a real vision for change becomes part of the national dialog.
If you still believe broad societal changes are taking place, I would love to hear your point-by-point response to the issues I raised. I wish you were right. I wish we had an awakened and awakening populace. I wish people and not multi-national corporations truly were empowered. I wish we had a well informed electorate who understood that deep changes are needed if we are to build a better future. In my view, it just isn't the case.
As to your comment about pressuring a President Obama, I said nothing to contradict that. I might suggest, however, that until a real movement for change can be built and broadened, time and effort spent pressuring any President will not likely yield results. The real battle is for the hearts and minds of our fellow citizens. And on that score, I'm afraid we are not doing very well.
Here, Here !!!!
Even though I might argue with you, I do appreciate your willingness to be here an engage. And I hope I keep my arguments civil, and that everyone else does to.
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LeeAnnG
Well, I just completely skipped wsw's "comments" due to their length and the nastiness of the tone. Maybe there was something valid there, but I guess I'll never know.
Ms. Boaz's article is the voice of optimism, and with the current political climate of vicious lies, smears, and violence, it is sorely needed. Of course, everyone has the right to disagree and to support third party candidates. In fact, I haven't seen the rallying cries for a third party this strong for many, many years, and I think that's another good sign.
The Republican administrations have been a complete disaster. Anyone who believes that the US would be in the same situation had Gore been elected hasn't been paying attention for a long time. Gore might not be the most progressive politician in the country, but he's no George Bush. He was not under the influence of PNAC or Karl Rove. He was not supported by the hate radio hosts, did not have an agenda for either avenging or upstaging his father, or feel a need to prove his manhood after accepting a protected position in the National Guard where he failed to show up for duty during the Vietnam war. Although the son of a long line of politicians, he is not the black sheep, ex-drunk and drug user that the occupant of the White House is.
Yes, virtually all politicians from the two main parties are in the pockets of large corporations. But, as I read not too long ago, the difference is that Bush and his cohorts ARE the large corporations. It might not be enough of a distinction for many CD readers, and I respect that. But it would be nice if those same progressive voices showed some respect for the opinions of informed writers who see positive results from a change of parties in power.
Obama is not my ideal by any stretch, but then FDR probably would not have been either. When the situation is obviously doomed in one direction - that of a McCain/Palin presidency, it might just be a whole lot better to try to make the best of a direction with a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. I actually believe that McCain, and especially Palin, might be evil, although it's not up to me to make that kind of judgement. I don't believe Obama is evil, which may be the most we can hope for right now.
The problem is in trying to claim that all the problems are the result of the "Republicans". It ignores the basic fact that the leadership of the Democratic Party has been a full partner in almost all of this.
The leadership in Congress hustles all the Republican bills to the floor for a vote. They don't have to do that. Anyone who's been around progressive politics has seen bills they want held up by the leadership and kept even from coming to a vote. Same for committee chairs who have similar power.
The leadership in Congress refuses to use tools available to block bad policy or bad appointments like a filibuster.
On most bills, the Democrats either provide key votes needed for passage, or votes overwhelmingly in favor of the bill (see Patriot Act).
Thus, its very hard to claim this is all the Republicans fault, and it thus very hard to see why electing Democrats is the answer. They've been a part of the problem.
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Haven´t you heard yet???
"Optimism" is for dogs.
The times require REALISM.
There is NOTHING in the other corporate representative´s "platform" that lends itself to any citzen´s "optimism".
-- continued criminal aggression against the innocent
-- further funding of criminal aggression against the innocents
-- continued withholding of American citizen rights
-- continued support for mass murdering criminals
I don´t know if you are the sort of person that thinks having gained a "degree" in and of itself means that you have learned to think rationally and critically, as is your responsibility to yourself and as a global citizen, but the fact remains that your words bely your ignorance of the facts or your deliberate obtuseness.
The campaign to halt control of the planet by criminals is not in any way about "letting a new team" which the other corporate representative party clearly is not, have a chance to maneuver in their masters interests.
Rather, it is about rejecting the fake electoral system that has held sway in the US for decades and decades. It is about calling a spade a spade (as in shovel).
If one were to take your words at face value, well then, under the other corporate representative, we might "only" have a few thousands of casualties mainly among the innnocent residents of Mesopotamia instead of MILLIONS....
Gee, thanks. What a boon to justice and reason small time criminals for hire truly are!
LeeAnnG,
(Amazingly) you wrote:
"Well, I just completely skipped wsw's 'comments' due to their length and the nastiness of the tone. Maybe there was something valid there, but I guess I'll never know."
In fact, there was not one nasty comment in any of my posts. (Not even one.)
There were, however, numerous facts, quotes, links and documentation to support my position.
Seeing the name Obama along the likes of Gandhi, MLK, JFK is just sickening.
And quit getting your panties all in a wad. You sound so --desperate. Obama is going to win. He's going to win big. You guys are going to get your man. And for sure, he's gonna be all yours, and in the end, we'll see just how it pans out. I hope he lives up to just a fraction of the hype, for everyone's sake. Really. I do.
In the meantime, I'll cast my vote for Nader in the spirit of resistance along with the fact that he represents my interests as a citizen and human being.
Why does JFK merit inclusion with Ghandi and MLK? Like other totalitarians, JFK wanted people to serve the State: "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
Gandhi was thin and tan ... *but* ... JFK was thin, tan and good-looking!
To quote that famous American philosopher, Billy Crystal, he "luked mah-velous!"
The idea that "everything would have been different" if JFK wasn't killed is nonsense. (Of mythic proportions).
It underlies the cockeyed notion that nothing is fundamentally wrong with the capitalist system -- that all that's needed to atone for our sins is a knight in shining armor, riding straight out of Camelot.
Personally, I find it hard to idealize a man who solicited the help of gangsters to win the 1960 election ... thereafter consorted with gangsters' girlfriends ... came from a family of well-bred thugs ... and had his sychophantic aide, Ted Sorenson, write his bestseller, Profiles in Plagerism" -- er, I mean, Courage.
To list merely a few of his ... accomplishments.
I don't mean to be insulting, but are you that fricking stupid? We NEED a strong sense of civic duty in this country. We don't have one, which is why we're so screwed up.
Clearly, you have no clue. Civic duty is not the same as blindly serving the State, which is what JFK was asking. The chimera of Camelot dies hard. And the first step toward real civic duty is learning and understanding the unvarnished truth of one's country, which your knee-jerk reaction proves you've yet to do.
Somehow I fail to see the connection between JFK and the idea that his speech meant 'blindly serving the State'. Service to your country means improving it, making it better, which is NOT blindly serving the State. We are serving our country by criticizing it and dissenting from the government's line. Are we blindly serving it? I don't think so.
I see below that you are still rather young, probably half my age. The temporal context of JFK's speech provides the connection you seek. I saw it at the time and was taken in; only when I was maturer and after much study did I come to understand the game he was playing. I suggest you read the Constitution's Preamble, which is supposed to be the governing rationale for our govenment's purpose:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
The federal government is supposed to act as the vehicle to obtain those goals. It is a tool and is to serve us, the People. We do not serve it. As you are aware, the government no longer serves the People. The People are treated as mere cash cows to be milked for the benefit of some entity outside of the People. The "Bailout" is a perfect example.
If Cheney says "So?" when it comes to whether public opinion is to be regarded as paramount in policy making, is the government listening to the People so it can better serve them to accomplish its goals as set forth by the Constitution?
Lastly, I used to ask students this question: Who or what is the country?
I wish you well ZachP. It seems your plate is full, and you are sincerely trying to make a difference. Don't be afraid to challenge your Profs with the hard questions, and don't settle for superficial explanations. Your future is filled with challenges and struggle, and to survive, your body, will and mind must be strong.
*** WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH? ***
What if Joe Lieberman was still a Democrat and the race this year was between Lieberman and McCain? ... Would that be enough for "soft-left" progressives to say: "ENOUGH! I give up on voting for the lesser of the two evils."
45% to 55% of the American voting public doesn't vote in a given presidential election. That being the case, let's say 50% of the voting public doesn't vote this November -- and Ralph Nader and all candidates ot his left gets, say, 8% to 10% of the vote.
The election results would then be: McCain or Obama: 21%; McCain or Obama: 19%; Nader et al: 10%; Not voting: 50%
Would 60% of the American voting public NOT voting for the Democratic/Republican duopoly significantly affect the political consensus? ... You bet it would!
Nothing fundamental will change unless and until a strong third party movement is established in the United States. Strong third parties are common in other advanced industrial countries; as are coalition governments that include third party candidates. Why not in the United States?
Quoting from an article by Donna Volatile, entitled “The Obama Construct” --
"McCain is a war mongering bully who is in your face. Obama, on the other hand, is a smooth talker, whose own foreign policy positions aren't too far removed from McCain's, and one has to wonder which is worse, or indeed if there really is any difference at all.
“The idea of voting for the lesser of two evils, McCain being the more evil, according to Obama supporters, seems ludicrous given that both of these candidates will ultimately do the bidding of their masters and the master plan is the same for both parties. This should be quite apparent by now and if it isn't, well, by all means vote for Obama and reap your just rewards. ... Do you really think 'Obomba's' idea of war will be kinder and gentler than McCain's?
"Obama supporters will tell you ‘but he's honest and so sincere,’ and ‘he's run a clean campaign’ or ‘he's one of us’ (that one always gets me), but they remain blinded to what is obvious to many on the radical left and many on the traditional conservative/libertarian right: Obama is a player and he is playing the game of the global elitists.
"Since he has all but secured his party's nomination, he's becoming more militaristic by the minute, in both tone and by his stance on several key foreign policy issues.
"Obama and his VP Choice, Senator Biden, however, are not the crux of the problem but rather the mainstream voters are the problem as they continue to enable the corrupt two party system by consistently supporting the candidates being foisted upon them by controllers who select them in the first place and who are reinforced by the mainstream media machine in the second. These are not choices, these are lack of choices and if voters continue to participate in this sham, then they truly get what they deserve!
"With Obama supporters, the phrase ‘blinded by the light’ takes on a whole new meaning. What part don't you get?! This is the party threatening to place demonstrators at the DNC in recently erected detention camps and the party whose House majority leader, Nancy Pelosi, ridicules the anti-war movement and the homeless: ‘If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they'd be arrested for loitering but because they have 'Impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment.’ (Funny how both parties get upset over that whole free speech thing.)
"What is most stunning about delusional Obama supporters is, when confronted by the aforementioned facts about Obama, they counter with this inane idea that Obama is only ‘saying’ these things, he doesn't really mean them, it's only to get elected and once he gets elected the true altruistic essence of the man will save us all from tyranny! (Can we say reality check?!)
"Their indefensible support of this double talker is beyond comprehension. ...
"If you want to help put a stop to the rigged election game, if you really want to make a difference and you want your voice of disapproval to be heard, then VOTE! Vote for ANYBODY but the two buffoons, who have been pre-selected for you by the global elitist machine. Send a message, loud and clear: We refuse your choices.
"Vote Nader, vote McKinney, vote Ron Paul, vote Bob Barr, write in a vote, do whatever but don't support the corrupt system. Commit to a protest vote. Vote your conscience, do not vote under the ‘lesser of two-evils’ threat because then YOU are part of the problem, not part of the possible solution.
“We've been on this trip too many times before. From ‘hope and help is on the way’ Kerry to Obama's constant harping on ‘Change We Can Believe In,’ you have been sold a bill of goods from first to last. For all of Obama's talk of change, his words and actions show quite clearly, he means more of the same.
"For those die hard Obama supporters who refuse to see the hand writing on the wall. ... YOU are the problem. ... For those die-hard Hillary Clinton supporters, promising to vote for McCain because your war-monger wasn't the chosen one, seek psychiatric help immediately.
"And one more thing. ... Evil is evil, bad is bad, wrong is wrong regardless of sex, race, creed or color.
"And another thing. ... If you vote for Obama, you are neither liberal nor are you progressive, so let's get that straight. If you vote for Obama, you are a neoliberal, so get use to it.
"Stop making excuses, there are none and time is running out as an even larger war may be in the making.
"Get those blinders off!
"This is your wake up call!"
Click here for the entire article -- http://www.counterpunch.org/volatile08282008.html
UNLIKE Obama, Nader has only run for the Presidency since before I became of voting age. He should run for House or Senate, or try to get appointed to a Cabinet or Agency head position where he can do a lot of good (SecCommerce, SecLabor, Attorney General, head of EPA, head of FCC, etc). Don't get me wrong, I'm progressive as well, but trying to get only to the top instead of working from the bottom (well, Nader can sure as hell start pretty high, I sincerely doubt he wouldn't win a Congressional seat if he ran for one) is not going to work for a non-Dem/Rep candidate. There are other ways to change it. Why doesn't Nader lend his name and skills to other progressive candidates for office (any office)?
Wow, you basically just quoted someone else's entire article in the comment space for my piece.
Once again, I am compelled to ask-- did you actually *read* what I wrote, or did you see the words "change" and "Obama," and go blind?
I fully understand the magnitude of the challenges we are facing. I fully understand that an Obama presidency is not going to be able (or willing) to do what is necessary to address all of things simultaneously. I agree that Obama has sold out progressives in many respects.
But my piece was not about Obama. It was about what he symbolizes-- the fact that Americans, on the whole, have acknowledged they are open to a new message about the nature of power and are tired of being asked to live in a constant state of fear. We have got to start somewhere. Obama's success is the most visible manifestation of what is- at its heart- a paradigm shift.
The primary reason third parties are not successful in the United States is because of the electoral rules that create major barriers to their winning. Under those election rules, voting third party (especially at the presidential level!) is completely irrational if you actually care about the result. The way to get third parties viable is to change the rules. The way to do that is via a mass movement, not by voting third party and seeing your candidates lose time and time again.
I am a progressive and I am voting for Obama. Feel free to verify my credentials on the former and to trust me on the latter.
Cynthia,
I wasn't responding to your previous post. ... Rather, I was offering documentation on why Obama's voting record *and* his post-primary lurch to the right is clearly not the politics of a progressive candidate.
In fact, quite the contrary.
You talk about the "irrationality" of voting for a third party candidate. ... What can be more irrational than a progressive voting for a candidate, Barack Obama, who is anything *but* a progressive?
As for third party laws being stacked against non-duopolistic candidates, you're right. But
-- a.) those laws can be changed; and
b.) what do you think of my scenario in which -- given the existing election laws --all Ralph Nader and those to his left (Cynthia McKinney et al) have to do next month is garner 10% of the vote to make the Election results look like this:
1st Place -- Not Voting: 50%
2nd Place -- Obama or McCain: 21%
3rd Place - Obama or McCain: 19%
4th Place -- Nader et al: 10%
Would 60% of all eligible voters NOT voting for the Democratic/Republican duopoly "shake things up," move the political consensus to the left? ... Of course it would.
Moreover, according to a 2004 cover story in Business Week, given the Electoral College's "winner-take-all" system, 75% of all voters live in "safe states" -- that is to say,, states that because they will surely go either Democratic or Republican (e.g., Massachusetts, New York, Texas, South Carolina) allow voters to "safely" vote for a third party candidate.
"Safe voting" for third party candidate is especially attractive this November given that Obama is pulling away from McCain in the polls -- see http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
Mind you, I would still urge people to vote for Ralph Nader or Cynthia McCkInney or any candidate to their left even in so-called "swing states," but in safe states, yes, for sure **vote your conscience!**
For more information on "safe state voting," google the following --
"75%" AND "safe state" AND "Ralph Nader"
or simply
"safe state voting"
Are we assuming that the 50% of non-voting populace are not voting because they don't like the choices? - McCain, Obama, Nader? Or, perhaps if they did vote, would they choose one of the three aforementioned? Or, do these people just not care enough to do their civic duty? Are they lazy?
rocker1968,
Of course we can't say for sure why, in any given US presidential election, 45% to 55% of eligible voters don't vote.
But it is perhaps instructive to remember that in other advanced industrial countries voter-turnout is *much* higher than it is in the United States.
For example, Ralph Nader in an interview he gave at the Commonwealth Club a couple of weeks ago, pointed out that voter turnout in Australia is 98%.
Saying that a large percentage of people in the United States don't vote because they're too dumb or too lazy or too-this or too-that is yet another form of "blaming the victim."
It's quite clear why most Americans don't vote. ... They don't vote because they understand that the major party choices they're given aren't really choices at all! ... They understand that whoever wins, nothing fundamental is going to change.
Yes, they see how awful the Republicans are. But they also see, in plain sight, how *enabling* the Democratic Party has been in allowing the Republican Party to do what they've done. And with impunity.
(The Democratic Party's systematic "enabling" of the Republicans -- even after their stunning Congressional victories in 2006 -- is something that's always conveniently set aside by "vote-for-the-lesser-of-the-two-evils" advocates.)
The fundamental sameness of the two-party duopoly is one reason why the Republicans have been so successful in recent elections. ... That is to say, because many people don't see any fundamental difference between the two major political parties, they either don't vote or else they vote on the basis of "wedge issues" -- usually God, guns and/or gays.
The Republicans have been very good at using these wedge issues to their advantage. ... So that here is, say, a religious coal miner in West Virginia who sees no basic difference between the Republicans and the Democrats, and says: "Well, at least the Republicans will keep those gays out of our schools. And at least the Republicans will let us keep our guns. And at least those Republicans are God-fearing Christians." ... So they go ahead and vote Republican.
If the Democratic Party was truly an oppositional party; if they were to stand:
-- against the Iraq war -- and in doing so pledge to spend the $15 billion per month being spent on that War not on killing people but instead on health, education and welfare ...
-- if the Democratic Party was truly an oppositional party and they pledged to use the $850 billion bailout money, first and foremost, to help the average wage earner, and then whatever is left over to allow it to "trickle down" to the rich ...
-- if the Democratic Party was truly an oppositional party and they pledged to prosecute the crooks on Wall Street -- the crooks who are responsible for the financial meltdown in the first place ...
-- if the Democratic Party was truly an oppositional party and they pledged to reduce the Pentagon budget ...
-- if the Democratic Party was truly an oppositional party and they pledged to stop the "upward shift of wealth" -- from the poor and the middle class to the rich and the super-rich ...
In short, if the Democratic Party was truly an oppositional party -- if they gave the average wage earner a true *choice* in the election booth -- I doubt if many people would say: "Who cares? I'm not going to vote. What difference would it make?"
If the Democratic Party was truly an oppositional party, it would make a tremendous difference who won the election!
This is why the Democratic/Republican duopoly is scared to death to allow Ralph Nader into the debates. ... No matter how hard Nader campaigns, no matter how many hands he shakes, he couldn't reach 1/10th of 1% of the people he would reach by being on just one nationally-televised debate. ... Can you imagine how many people who never vote would vote for Nader if his views were as widely known as that of the two major party candidates.
Finally, to be cynical about the inherent intelligence and good sense of the average citizen is to have given up on the idea of democracy.
Two quotes are relevant. One, regarding cynicism, is from Ralph Nader ... "Cynicism is a function of inactivity." ...
Because cynicism/inactivity is what those in power count on. ... The "oligarchic-few *COUNT* on the average citizen cynically giving up on the notion of democracy. ... Because when that happens, they win ... "Mission Accomplished!"
I recall John Dean saying on C-Span that one day while he was working in the White House, Nixon came into his office apoplectic over the fact that on the sidewalk, just outside the White House, there was one single, solitary protestor, protesting the Vietnam War.
The protestor was all by himself and with one small protest sign. ... Nevertheless, Nixon went ape! ... He demanded that Dean get rid of the guy.
So don't think that the people, collectively, aren't feared by those in power -- especially during election-time. Because it is *at the polls* that the democratic-MILLIONS can quickly and nonviolently defeated the oligarchic class, turn them out of power.
As Dick Gregory said back in the 1970s at one of the Vietnam War protests: "If you don't think your voices are effective, just ask that boy (Lyndon Johnson) who's in Texas now."
The other quote is from Ralph Nader's father. ... Several years ago Ralph Nader's father was asked: "What do you think of a third party?" To which Mr. Nader replied: "I'd settle for two."