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Who Lost Iraq?
Is the Maliki Government Jumping Off the American Ship of State?
As the Bush administration was entering office in 2000, Donald Rumsfeld exuberantly expressed its grandiose ambitions for Middle East domination, telling a National Security Council meeting: "Imagine what the region would look like without Saddam and with a regime that's aligned with U.S. interests. It would change everything in the region and beyond."
A few weeks later, Bush speechwriter David Frum offered an even more exuberant version of the same vision to the New York Times Magazine: "An American-led overthrow of Saddam Hussein, and the replacement of the radical Baathist dictatorship with a new government more closely aligned with the United States, would put America more wholly in charge of the region than any power since the Ottomans, or maybe even the Romans."
From the moment on May 1, 2003, when the President declared "major combat operations... ended" on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln, such exuberant administration statements have repeatedly been deflated by events on the ground. Left unsaid through all the twists and turns in Iraq has been this: Whatever their disappointments, administration officials never actually gave up on their grandiose ambitions. Through thick and thin, Washington has sought to install a regime "aligned with U.S. interests" -- a government ready to cooperate in establishing the United States as the predominant power in the Middle East.
Recently, with significantly lower levels of violence in Iraq extending into a second year, Washington insiders have begun crediting themselves with -- finally -- a winning strategy (a claim neatly punctured by Juan Cole, among other Middle East experts). In this context, actual Bush policy aims have, once again, emerged more clearly, but so has the administration's striking and continual failure to implement them -- thanks to the Iraqis.
In the past few weeks, the Iraqi government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has made it all too clear that, in the long run, it has little inclination to remain "aligned with U.S. interests" in the region. In fact, we may be witnessing a classic "tipping point," a moment when Washington's efforts to dominate the Middle East are definitively deep-sixed.
The client state that the Bush administration has spent so many years and hundreds of billions of dollars creating, nurturing, and defending has shown increasing disloyalty and lack of gratitude, as well as an ever stronger urge to go its own way. Under the pressure of Iraqi politics, Maliki has moved strongly in the direction of a nationalist position on two key issues: the continuing American occupation of the country and the future of Iraqi oil. In the process, he has sought to distance his government from the Bush administration and to establish congenial relationships, if not an outright alliance, with Washington's international adversaries, including the Bush administration's mortal enemy, Iran.
Withdrawal Becomes an Official Issue
Perhaps the most dramatic symbol of this new independence is the Iraqi government's resistance to a Washington proposal for a "status of forces agreement" (SOFA) that would allow for a permanent and uninhibited U.S. military presence in Iraq.
With the impending expiration of the UN resolutions that gave legal cover to the U.S. military presence in Iraq, the SOFA negotiations are crucial. They began with a proposal that expressed the full extent of Washington's ambitions to utilize Iraq as the base for making the U.S. "more wholly in charge of the region than any power since the Ottomans, or maybe even the Romans." The proposal first leaked to the press in June 2008 was essentially a major land grab, including provisions like the following that would not have seemed out of place in a nineteenth century colonial treaty:
*An indefinite number of U.S. troops would remain in Iraq indefinitely, stationed on up to 58 bases in locations determined by the United States.
*These troops would be allowed to mount attacks on any target inside Iraq without the permission of, or even notification to, Iraqi authorities.
*U.S. military and civilian authorities would be free to use Iraqi territory to mount attacks against any of Iraq's neighbors without permission from the Iraqi government.
*The U.S. would control Iraqi airspace up to 30,000 feet, freeing the U.S. Air Force to strike as it wishes inside Iraq and creating the basis for the use of, or passage through, Iraq's air space for planes bent on attacking other countries.
*The U.S. military and its private contractors would be immune from Iraqi law, even for actions unrelated to their military duties.
*Iraq's defense, interior, and national security ministries (and all of Iraq's arms purchases) would be under U.S. supervision for 10 years.
When leaked (clearly by Iraqis involved in the negotiations), this proposal generated opposition across the political spectrum from parliament to the streets. It was even denounced by the usually silent Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the most influential Shia Ayatollah. Soon, Prime Minister Maliki made clear his own rejection of the proposal, setting in motion a chaotic negotiating process in which the Iraqis seem to have argued vehemently for a more modest, briefer U.S. presence, as well as a definite deadline for full withdrawal -- a proposal that was anathema to the Bush administration.
By early August, when the details of a new proposal endorsed by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice began to leak out, it was clear that U.S. negotiators had given way, granting significant concessions to the Iraqi side. According to Iraqi insiders, the new draft agreement called for U.S. troops to be completely withdrawn from Iraqi cities, where most of the fighting usually takes place, by the summer of 2009. All U.S. troops -- not just the "combat" troops usually mentioned when Democrats talk about withdrawal timelines in Iraq -- would have to be gone by the end of 2011.
If the leaked draft were implemented, the U.S. would leave behind those 58 bases, including the five massive "enduring" bases into which the Bush administration has poured billions of dollars. Moreover, the unhindered scope of action Washington had originally demanded for its forces would be dramatically limited: The U.S. would not have the right to attack other countries from Iraqi soil, its ability to conduct operations within Iraq would be circumscribed, and immunity from prosecution would be restricted to U.S. military personnel (and then only when they were participating in approved military actions).
Symptomatic of the loosening U.S. grip on its Iraqi client government were the reactions of the two sides to the leaked provisions of the new version of the agreement. Secretary of State Rice declared it "acceptable" and explained uneasily that the timeline proposed was not the sort of fixed withdrawal date that the Bush administration had long adamantly rejected, but an "aspirational" "time horizon" that would depend on "conditions" in Iraq.
Maliki, in all likelihood responding to the fervor of public protests to Rice's comments, immediately declared the agreement unacceptable unless the deadline for withdrawal was time-based and unconditional. In a well publicized speech to a gathering of tribal sheiks, he said that any agreement must be based on the principle that "no foreign soldier remains in Iraq after a specific deadline, not an open time frame." In further clarifying his remarks, a key aide told the Associated Press that "the last American soldiers must leave Iraq by the end of 2011, regardless of conditions at the time."
The latest reports suggest that a further round of secret negotiations had restored some U.S. demands, including full immunity for American soldiers (but not mercenary fighters), and application of the withdrawal deadline to combat troops only. Such concessions by Maliki, however, appeared certain to trigger another round of protest and resistance in the streets and in the Iraqi Parliament.
Whatever their outcome, the still-unfinished negotiations point to something quite new in the relationship between the two governments. Until recently, the Iraqi leadership faithfully sought to enact whatever policies the Bush administration favored (though its capacity to implement them was always in question). With the proposed SOFA, this posture disappeared, replaced by a clear antagonism to Washington's desires. With its formidable weapons (including 146,000 soldiers on the ground), Washington is bound to win at least some of these confrontations, but what we may be seeing is the end of the dream of a regime "closely aligned" with U.S. policies.
The Re-emergence of Oil Nationalism
Nothing better highlights this transformation than oil policy. From the beginning of its occupation of Iraq, the Bush administration sought to quadruple Iraqi oil production by delivering control of the industry to the major international oil companies. Once given free rein to act on their own discretion, Washington policymakers believed that the oil majors would invest vast sums in modernizing existing fields, activate undeveloped reserves using the most advanced technology available, and discover major new fields utilizing state-of-the-art exploration and extraction methods.
Up until 2007, the Iraqi government was an active ally in this enterprise, even though the vast majority of Iraqis -- including the powerful oil workers union, the religious leadership, and a majority of Parliament -- vehemently opposed these plans, demanding instead that control of the industry remain in government hands. In 2004, the U.S.-appointed Iraqi government enthusiastically endorsed an International Monetary Fund agreement that mandated the development of major Iraqi oil reserves by international oil companies. When those companies found the legal basis for such investment too fragile to risk vast sums of capital, the Iraqi government (surrounded by American advisors) immediately began work on an oil law that would presumably provide a more secure foundation for their investment. In the meantime, informal advice was accepted from the oil majors, whose technicians were placed in charge of various engineering operations within the country.
In 2007, when the oil law was finally delivered to the Iraqi Parliament, it met with unremitting opposition. The always strong oil unions immediately began a ferocious resistance campaign that stalled the law.
None of these developments altered the Bush administration's determination to push the law through. They did not, however, anticipate that the Maliki administration itself would become a further source of opposition. As Charles Ries told journalists on leaving his position as U.S. Economic Ambassador to Iraq in August 2008 after a year of failure, "When I got here... I was quite optimistic it was only a month or two [before the petroleum bill would be passed, but the] more I understood what the real issues were... it was clear this was going to be a major political challenge."
While Ries was on the job, even the leadership of the Ministry of Oil, until then a pro-American bastion, went into opposition. One symptom of this was its failure to complete five no-bid contracts (that did not include either investment or extraction rights) with oil consortia led by the usual suspects -- Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch Shell, BP, Total, and Chevron -- designed to increase Iraqi production by 500,000 barrels per day. Oil Minister Hussein al-Shahrastani told the Wall Street Journal that a key reason for the faltering negotiations was the desire of the oil companies for "preferential treatment for future oil-exploration deals." This comment, like the faltering negotiations, hinted at the abandonment of the Bush administration's long-desired version of Iraqi oil policy.
The new attitude was underscored when the Oil Ministry revived a Saddam-era agreement with the China National Petroleum Corporation, which was now granted a $3 billion contract to develop the Ahdab oil field. Given the growing U.S.-China rivalry over the control of foreign oil sources, the symbolism of this act couldn't have been clearer -- especially since the earlier contract had been unceremoniously canceled by the United States at the beginning of the occupation in 2003. No less important, this was a "service contract" whose terms did not follow U.S. guidelines calling for the reduction or elimination of Iraqi government control of the oil industry.
Soon after announcing this new agreement, Oil Minister Shahrastani offered what might be seen as a declaration of oil policy independence. "[Global] oil supplies," he declared, "meet and may slightly exceed current world demand." The world, that is, had plenty of oil, and so there was, he insisted, no global need to rush pell-mell into oil development agreements that might not, in the long run, be of use to Iraq.
This represented an attack on the fundamental premise of U.S. oil policy -- that, as Vice President Cheney told an oil industry gathering back in 1999, "By 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? While many regions of the world offer great oil opportunities, the Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."
Significantly, back in 2001 -- and before 9/11 -- the Cheney Energy Task Force, working with the National Security Council, would make this commitment the centerpiece of administration Middle Eastern policy, defining the world situation as one in which the supply of oil must be drastically increased to meet the demand for an "additional fifty million barrels a day."
Oil-producing countries of the Middle East never embraced Cheney's analysis and consistently resisted U.S. efforts to encourage, induce, or coerce dramatic increases in oil production. Instead, they viewed the "shortage" of oil as a natural result of market forces, beneficial to their own economies.
With the success of the U.S. invasion, the Iraqi government threatened to become a maverick among the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), endorsing U.S. supported plans that, theoretically, would have quadrupled Iraqi production within 10 years. So Shahrastani's comments were a signal that Iraq was rejoining OPEC's ranks and potentially opening a new era in post-invasion Iraqi politics in which the government he represented would no longer be a reliable ally of the United States.
A Nail in the Coffin of American Defeat?
Implicit in these actions is a new attitude toward, and assessment of, the U.S. presence in Iraq. Prime Minister Maliki and his cohorts appear to have adopted the viewpoint of journalist Nir Rosen that "the Americans are just one more militia," just the most powerful of the rogue forces that they have to manage and eventually eliminate.
As the Iraqi government accumulates an expanding lake of petrodollars and finds ways to shake them loose from the clutches of U.S. banks and U.S. government administrators, its leaders will have the resources to pursue policies that reflect their own goals. The decline in violence, taken in the U.S. as a sign of American "success," has actually accelerated this process. It has made the Maliki regime feel ever less dependent for its survival on the American presence, while strengthening internal and regional forces resistant or antagonistic to Washington's Middle East ambitions.
The respected Iraqi newspaper Azzaman pointed to one of these forces in a recent editorial: "Iran has emerged as the country's top trading partner. Its firms are present in the Kurdish north and southern Iraq carrying out projects worth billions of dollars. Iranian goods are the most conspicuous merchandise in Iraqi shops. Iraq, though occupied and administered by America, has grown to be so dependent on Iran that some analysts see it as a satellite state of Tehran."
To support this contention, Azzaman asserted: "The Ministry of Oil and other key portfolios such the Ministry of Interior and Finance are in the hands of pro-Iran Shiite factions." Citing Oil Ministry sources, it suggested that recent changes in oil policy actually reflected Iranian pressure to "exclude U.S. oil majors from contracts to develop the country's massive oil fields."
Azzaman may be overemphasizing Iranian influence, since there are myriad internal Iraqi influences that continue to press against Washington's desire for a client regime. Parliament, the Sunni and Shia religious leaderships, powerful unions, and the Sunni and Shia insurgencies have all registered broad opposition to continued U.S. presence and influence.
As all this occurs, U.S. leverage over the Iraqi government, though still formidable, is in decline. The Bush administration -- or its soon-to-be elected successor --- may face a difficult dilemma: whether to accept some version of the withdrawal demands of the Iraqi government or re-escalate the war in yet one more attempt to create a government that is "aligned with U.S. interests." The recent declaration by the Pentagon that only the most modest of troop reductions is militarily feasible in the foreseeable future may be a symptom of this dilemma. Without a full complement of U.S. troops, after all, it will be increasingly difficult to convince the Maliki regime to re-embrace policies favored by Washington.
The question remains: Can anything reverse the centripetal forces pulling Iraq from Washington's orbit? Will the President's "surge" strategy prove to have been the nail in the coffin of its hopes for U.S. dominance in the Middle East?
If this turns out to be the case, then watch out domestically. The inevitable controversy over "who lost Iraq" -- an echo of those earlier controversies over "who lost China" and "who lost Vietnam" -- is bound to be on the way.
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82 Comments so far
Show AllThere won't be any "inevitable controversy" over who lost Iraq....GWB did the moment he let Cheney and the Neocons talk him into attacking.
You can't lose something you never possessed.
Hoa binh
Exactamundo!
I still see signs that Maliki is going to run-out-the-clock, allowing the UNSC mandate that allows for the US military presence to expire without voting on the SOFA, thus rejecting it and instituting an immediate US troop withdrawl. Only 114 days to go. In this case, Maliki is in the driver's seat, leaving BushCo up a creek.
Immediate troop withdrawal? No....Occupation without a fig leaf is more likely. It will then be clearly NAKED aggression....................lizard
"Who Lost Iraq?"
Whoever doesn't write the history.
Saddham Hussein was expected to be a US puppet when he was "installed". Too bad that backfired. Amazingly, the new puppet is catching on faster especially since he knows that his own country's opposition will kill him faster than an US bullying no matter how much money the US tries to bribe/bully him with. I guess that goes to say that when it comes to leadership, at some point, even the puppet must answer the people's call.
And yet another illegal and immoral US-military-backed and government-sponsored corporatist attempt to control foreign oil crashes and burns.
Who Lost Iraq?
The Democrats...Lost it as an Issue
"The troop surge in Iraq has been more successful than anyone could have imagined"- Barack Obama
Ah-Ha....but you can't lose an issue when the original issue was the attack should never have been made.
As to that..."The troop surge in Iraq has been more successful than anyone could have imagined"- Barack Obama...nothing new there, any idiot could see it was a sucessful tactic. But its a tactic, not a strategy...right?
Yes...I agree with you...but as a tactic it was successful...
The Democratics were hoping it would fail solely to give them a Hammer to beat the Republicans with...now they look rather defeatist...
it was partly luck and some good breaks...but I think most Americans are of the "Alls Well that Ends Well" School and repercussions of a poorly led SUCCESSFUL War are much less than a poorly led defeat...surely you'll cede that point to me?
but I did enjoy your ah-ha moment...smiled when I read that
"repercussions of a poorly led SUCCESSFUL War are much less than a poorly led defeat...surely you'll cede that point to me?"
I would cede that point. But we have no idea how this is going to turn out yet.
Better no war at all.... surely you'll cede that point to me?
Better no war at all.... surely you'll cede that point to me?
Absolutely I would...but now reality bites us both on the bottem...
I see it like this...right now...this moment...it is quiet and its getting more stable every day...I expect if they are able, that the Iranians will try something next month to try to influence our elections (Iranian backed Iraqi's trying to cause something that LOOKS worse than it really is)
but every day they wait the more difficult that becomes...if we can make it through the elections as it is now...then the Commanders will definitely start to draw them down...and try to surge up in Afghanistan
So knock wood...but I think mostly the one in Iraq has been over a couple months now...Heck...we turned Anbar over to the Iraqi's last month...ANBAR...the center of the insurgency
isn't quite Peace yet...but it sure as hell isn't War either
"isn't quite Peace yet...but it sure as hell isn't War either"
Going up against the Iraqi's was never a war, it was more like Little Bo Peep against Goliath. We created the problem with a completely botched occupation. And I know you can't disagree with that!
I don't believe Iran will do anything at all to tell the truth. By doing nothing they win.
Thomas,
Don't let that rightwing lunatic Snow Wolf bully you. He, unfortunately, needs a SUPERTOUGH SPANKING AND THRASHING from Mccain/Palin. When he loses his job as Mccain/Palin push for more union busting, as if 28 years wasn't enough, and/or his company lays him off, he'll be singing a different tune.
Just rolling my eyes...
Thomas...am I Bullying you?....enquiring minds want to know
(although a spanking from Sarah Palin sounds interesting)
Yeah you old troll....I bet you'd like a spanking from Palin.
Don't worry Frederick....SnowWolf and I spar plenty about Iraq! I'm sure he's going to admit any day now I'm completely right!
Oh...any day now...you're running rings around me logically...*wink*
Sarah has that Naughty Librarian look...*LOL*
We created the problem with a completely botched occupation
No...that part I agree with
I don't believe Iran will do anything at all
I hope you're right...but not for the same reason
Saturday, 16 August 2008
WASHINGTON (AFP) — Iraqi assassination squads are being trained in Iran by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Quds Force and Lebanese Hezbollah for attacks in Iraq, a US military official said Friday.
Any idiot could see it was a sucessful tactic BUT By the Iraqs, they have figured it out
John Negroponte, the United States' first ambassador to Iraq was the architect of Battalion 316. the most notorious death squad in Nicaraguan contras arsenal , he supported and implemented - the "dirty war" tactics
It was a death squad that kidnapped and tortured hundreds of real or suspected "subversives"
These death squads were implanted in the Iraq war
The American death squads in Iraq uses shape shifting techniques, disguised as the opposition Shiites Sunnis or Alkyda. accordingly
They attack and kill both Sunnis Shiites alike fanning the flames of confrontation and fermenting deception whenever necessary.
This is the highly Improved version of the old British colonial strategy of “divide and rule”, but on steroids high speed and stealth anathema to past colonialists
'Who lost Iraq' - I didn't know it was missing. The real question is who lost the tiny bit of democracy that used to exist in the US. The answer is the voter. I bet that 90% will continue to vote for war in the upcoming election. Any takers?
I won't take that that bet...
Theres still the matter of the Taliban to settle.... and Al Queda moving into Africa...
The Funs just beginning
"Theres still the matter of the Taliban to settle.... and Al Queda moving into Africa..."
If we had actually crushed them in Afghanistan and not allow them to regroup and spread rather than going to Iraq for the Bush cronies, the Taliban wouldn't be alive today. And you can thank your buddy Dick Cheney and the rest of the neocon gang for giving the Taliban backdoor funding. Besides, why don't you sign up for the army if you're so interesting in continuing endless wars? Are you afraid of the truth? Better yet, since you claim to be "better off" because the labor unions saved your ASS, why not donate your big fat blubber towards energy production and save the country from depending on foreign oil? Don't worry, the revenue generated from that blubber being manufactured will "pay for itself" ! LOL !!
If we had actually crushed them in Afghanistan and not allow them to regroup and spread rather than going to Iraq
Good God...We FINALLY agree on Something...I'm going to frickin faint
and actually...I'm a disabled Vet...they won't take me back
I'd take that bet. I believe most Americans would end this terrible thing tomorrow if they could.
They can. People have the right to vote their representatives out for continuously funding the war-turned-occupation in Iraq. Primary them and/or vote them out in the general election. Another thing, protests must go local. It's easier to nail one's rep locally. Find people in your district who share your views and get together, kind of like a vigilante without the guns. The more Congress people are forced to listen to their constituents and not keep falling for the media and monied interests, the more success we the people can SHUT DOWN THIS ILLEGAL WAR.
i don't know what this guy is talking about - the war was about freedom and democracy
or al queda
or wmd
i think it also had something to do with the cowboys not winning last year's superbowl
i think...........
cheers, b
"i think it also had something to do with the cowboys not winning last year's superbowl"
Now that WAS a national tragedy....but will be remedied this year!
I think you may be right...doesn't look like New England is (Brady is Hard Down) ...ouch...right out of the gate too
The sad fact of the matter is that most Americans simply aren't intelligent enough to make any kind of informed decision. 90% of Americans don't know where Iraq is on a map. Some don't even know where America is. They think Barack Obama is a muslim fundamentalist and John McCain is a decorated war hero. (Also that we WON Vietnam due to McCain's heroism)
PLEASE - If you don't believe me take a world map, go to the mall, and ASK people. See for yourself.
This is MOST of America and they will vote for whatever candidate they LIKE the best. The one that looks the best. Thats' why McCain picked Sarah Palin.
Issues like the Iraq, housing, economy, gas prices, etc. are meaningless to the voter. Each candidate says they will fix it. The American voters will NOT do the research nor do they really care to see how their candidate really stands on issues.
This is why we are in a dead heat. This is why McCain is likely to win.
America is clueless about Iraq.
America is clueless about Iran.
America is clueless about AMERICA.
America is clueless about anything that's not written down for them in their bible.
Or on prime time TV.
Like China in 1949, Iraq was never ours to lose . . . or to win. Harry Truman once said that the only thing new under the sun is the history you don't know. It seems what he really meant to say was that the only thing new under the sun are the small variations in the fundamental stupidity and arrogance from decade to decade and century to century of the world's rulers. The neocons, those drug store Teddy Roosevelts and Woodrow Wilsons, the posturing, puffed-up phony tough guys, are merely this nation's latest incarnation of this fundamental stupidity and hubris. McCain and Palin are waiting for George Wanker Bush and Fat Death Cheney to pass the baton to them and sprint to glory in our own bloody, political Olympic Games.
Its amazing how America keeps muddling through with a population that is so stupid it won't listen to people that know whats best for them.
I don't think people are stupid. They're distracted because there are no true populists standing up for them. If Obama were to be a populist and quit pandering to the rightwing, more people would be listening to him and he would be in a landslide instead of a "close" race.
Sorry Frederick that was meant for the people that keep saying that all Americanss are stupid. trouble with this format again.
But I'd say your statement is 100% true. Other than his carachter questions, that is what is bothering me.
Take this voters test to see if you are an informed voter.
http://www.countercurrents.org/jackowski020808.htm
Is this really your idea of an informed voter? Are these the issues you would like someone to cast their vote by?
It is an indication of the voters grasp of US Foreign policy. It is estimated that the US is responsible for the deaths of perhaps as many as 3 million Iraqi civilians since the US bombing started in 1991. Foreign policy should not be ignored.
Basing a vote on issues - past history- etc sure beats casting a ballot on charm, religion, age, political affiliation, or which candidate you would most like to have a beer with.
3 million? I'd sure check whoever you got that estimate from. These things seem to grow by themselves. I remember hearing we had killed 4 million Vietnamese civilians when in fact it was less than a million and a great number of those were killed by the NVA and Charles Vic.
I would certainly agree that voters should be more aware of past history, but how about who the candidates really are, what do the parties say they stand for, which party got us into this mess and how, which President put us in the present military fix, who fooled congress, etc?
It is an indication of the voters grasp of US Foreign policy. It is estimated that the US is responsible for the deaths of perhaps as many as 3 million Iraqi civilians since the US bombing started in 1991. Foreign policy should not be ignored.
Basing a vote on issues - past history- etc sure beats casting a ballot on charm, religion, age, political affiliation, or which candidate you would most like to have a beer with.
as many as 3 million Iraqi civilians since the US bombing started in 1991.
Bullshit...try fact checking...unless you are saying with the (U.N. Approved) sanctions...but you can drop that one in Saddams lap...he was the cause of his peoples suffering...While U.N. Officials and Politicians Worldwide (That means you too George Galloway) got massive Bribes in the Oil for Food scandal
But your neocons were actually "rewarding" Saddham for making his people suffer. The neocons didn't bother to stop Saddam back then. It's clear that the only reason we went to Iraq was for oil. The minute we pulled out of Afghanistan, we lost it to the Taliban and currently the Taliban is stronger in Afghanistan than it was before 9/11. And what about the Big Oil companies who were also involved in that scandal? You're so desperate to bring up old lies that were disproved.
If it weren't for the labor unions, you wouldn't be rambling like a rightwing lunatic.
They are not my Neocons...I promise...I don't have any Neocons...they are our Government (like it or not)...and as Lincoln said..."We must use the tools we're given"
Neocons are neocons and they deserve to be ABOLISHED if we the people have to BLOW down both parties to do it. I'm all for a 3rd party takeover on all levels. Fuck, even Bob Barr got somewhat of a brain transplant by now.
There is nothing wrong with the brains of most Americans; but, most Americans can't stop doing what it takes to get by for very long.
What is wrong is the failed governments, one right after the other, and the immunity from consequence enjoyed by the children of privilege.
What is wrong is that the patriots in America are not the one's who can afford to be elected and pampered by the lobbyists.
What is wrong is that avarice has become something to be rewarded.
What is wrong is that war criminals everywhere are free to strike out and kill our children for their own amusement and/or profits.
What is wrong is that people are being abused by police and the murderers in our government are being protected from justice.
Baloney.
This is a democracy and it's the ignorant public that puts these criminals into office time after time because they pander to their stupidity.
"Baloney.
This is a democracy and it's the ignorant public that puts these criminals into office time after time because they pander to their stupidity."
Nah, they put themselves in power. The people aren't stupid. They're just worn down, disillusioned, distracted, and are made to feel powerless. Let's stop kicking around ordinary people. They are victims.
Too bad the people that should, don't read Tom Dispatch or CD.
It's so basic.
QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS
,WHAT,WHO,WHY,WHERE,WHEN
FREEDOM
WHAT is this thing called freedom that some say they have and don’t? Is it that the one claiming freedom is still walking around and not behind a guarded fence? The leaders who say that we must let them keep us safe but must give up rights that lead to freedom? And the ones behind the fence with no guilt or proof of guilt? This is freedom?
who would have this thing, this philosophy, this right called freedom? Is it just the strong that would proclaim it and use force to drive home that they are free and all the rest of peoples should be like them? Is freedom granted with a gun or like money; the more you have the more free you are? Does this sound like my country and is it exclusive to it? Yes to the first and an emphatic no to the second. When all the me’s understand that it is the “we” peoples of the whole planet that have the right, there will be no freedom for any. All we have is a mirage.
why would anyone care if the strong dominate the weak and impose their version of what would pass as freedom because they said so? Has it been ever thus? There is no sanity in any of this and The Creator; even with giving all free will had surely hoped and desired that all the created would think as a “we” peoples and not as a me people that used freedom as a word and not as a right that all deserved and had a right to.
Where on this planet should there be freedom? Is it just for certain races, peoples, nations, regions, Where is it written that only certain ones would be granted this most basic rights of all humans? My fundamental thought is that if all peoples were to practice the “we” concept there would be no more war and with all the divergent groups, nations and peoples doing their own thing trade and other commerce would flourish and with all the different climes strife would be minimized. Without the “we” concept freedom cannot be for any.
When is this ever going to be and has it happened before? It has happened before because if I thought of it then it has been out there before. Solomon had it right when he said that “there is nothing new under the sun”. So many chances in history from many parts of the globe and it just does not matter how old a person thinks the human race is it is still many failed chances. Hope reigns eternal though in my heart and soul for it to come to fruition.
Tony 9/4/08
It's so basic.
QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS
,WHAT,WHO,WHY,WHERE,WHEN
FREEDOM
WHAT is this thing called freedom that some say they have and don’t? Is it that the one claiming freedom is still walking around and not behind a guarded fence? The leaders who say that we must let them keep us safe but must give up rights that lead to freedom? And the ones behind the fence with no guilt or proof of guilt? This is freedom?
who would have this thing, this philosophy, this right called freedom? Is it just the strong that would proclaim it and use force to drive home that they are free and all the rest of peoples should be like them? Is freedom granted with a gun or like money; the more you have the more free you are? Does this sound like my country and is it exclusive to it? Yes to the first and an emphatic no to the second. When all the me’s understand that it is the “we” peoples of the whole planet that have the right, there will be no freedom for any. All we have is a mirage.
why would anyone care if the strong dominate the weak and impose their version of what would pass as freedom because they said so? Has it been ever thus? There is no sanity in any of this and The Creator; even with giving all free will had surely hoped and desired that all the created would think as a “we” peoples and not as a me people that used freedom as a word and not as a right that all deserved and had a right to.
Where on this planet should there be freedom? Is it just for certain races, peoples, nations, regions, Where is it written that only certain ones would be granted this most basic rights of all humans? My fundamental thought is that if all peoples were to practice the “we” concept there would be no more war and with all the divergent groups, nations and peoples doing their own thing trade and other commerce would flourish and with all the different climes strife would be minimized. Without the “we” concept freedom cannot be for any.
When is this ever going to be and has it happened before? It has happened before because if I thought of it then it has been out there before. Solomon had it right when he said that “there is nothing new under the sun”. So many chances in history from many parts of the globe and it just does not matter how old a person thinks the human race is it is still many failed chances. Hope reigns eternal though in my heart and soul for it to come to fruition.
Tony 9/4/08