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Community College Students Need Not Apply: Our Reward for Bailing Out the Banks
The American Dream deferred - that's what national lenders announced recently when they told Americans they were significantly reducing their lending to students who attend community college. Education is the great equalizer, but there was no equality in their decision: they targeted community colleges for cuts while extending their lending programs at distinguished 4-year schools.
According to the New York Times (6/2/08), the following lenders have started turning away from community college students: Citibank, JPMorgan Chase, SunTrust, and PNC. In the case of Citibank, it has stopped offering loans to all community college students in the state of California. The banks' reasoning is that community college students are more likely to default and are taking out smaller loans, while the students at elite universities are more likely to take out bigger loans and to re-pay them, since they are expected to earn more in the job market. This might sound like solid reasoning were it not for the fact (duly pointed out in the article) that the government ensures all student loans up to 95%. Thus there is essentially no risk involved for the lending companies.
We've been told that a college degree will set a person on the path for success. Not everyone takes the same path, however. People enroll in community college for many different reasons. Some didn't get the grades in high school to qualify for a 4-year school, while others have to work full-time and need the flexibility that community colleges offer. Most simply cannot afford to enroll in a 4-year school. I am one of them.
After high school, I enrolled in St. John's University because I got decent grades in high school and I was expected to go to college. I had no understanding of what I wanted to be in life and didn't grasp the importance of the college experience and a higher education. I pretty much picked a major out of a hat and then spent my first two semesters skipping one too many a class. By the summer I decided not to enroll for the fall, and took a full-time job instead. It wasn't anyone's fault - in truth, I was not ready to attend college and made my decision accordingly.
Yet, in my household education has always been stressed, and so I knew in the front of my mind that I would return to college. After a few years of working, I matured a great deal and had a better sense of where I wanted to go in life. So I reapplied to St. Johns and was accepted once again. I quickly realized, though, that my situation had changed dramatically. The tuition was now double what it was when I had left, and I did not qualify for financial aid since I was no longer a dependent but the sole taxpayer. With basically no other choice, I turned to the best alternative available: community college.
At first I was discouraged. There is a stark difference between the administration of St. John's and that of my new school, Bronx Community College. Whereas it took only about 30 minutes to sign up for classes at St. John's, it can take a whole day at BCC. And they may even ask you to come back due to of some mysterious hold on your record that can be taken care of only by an obscure faculty member who is often never on campus when you are. In my admission process, I asked three different faculty members the same question and I got back three completely different answers. There was also this stigma I was carrying around that somehow an education at a community college is inferior - some people refer to it as the 13th grade.
After attending for more than three semesters now, I would say the administration process has improved some, but it is still in disarray. Moreover, basic resources are badly lacking, such as water fountains. Oddly, not a single functioning water fountain can be found on the entire campus, though there are soda machines in every building. The heating and AC systems are hit and miss and the menu at the food hall is less than appealing. As for the education, I couldn't have been more wrong. It has been rigorous and very well rounded-great preparation for any baccalaureate program.
I was embarrassed to qualify only as a freshman even though I was legally old enough to drink, that is, until I got to class and met my classmates. This is the beauty of community college, the student body. Many of us have returned to community college as a second chance to help us achieve our goals. I met single mothers, fathers, grandmothers, first generation immigrants, people of all nationalities, the majority clearly focused and very eager to learn - all of us striving equally to get a piece of the American Dream, using community college as the springboard. When people would raise their hands to answer questions, you would hear West Indian accents, Eastern European accents, East Indian accents, Latino accents, and some I just couldn't place. Since I was still working, the flexible schedule was a necessity for me. Like me, many of my classmates came to class right after their full-time job. I don't think most of us could afford to leave our jobs and without community college we couldn't continue our higher education.
The student body at community colleges should be an inspiration to America. When I see a single mother who takes care of her children, works a full-time job, and finds time on the nights and weekends to attend school, I am inspired to continue despite at times feeling overwhelmed. Yet when it was discovered that lenders were turning their backs on these hardworking students, America didn't blink an eye. Since the credit companies are now turning their backs on us, does that not mean we should have no problem turning our backs on the banks when they want the government to bail them out?
Perhaps we should do as economist Dean Baker has recently suggested and put into law as one of the terms of the bailout that Congress impose a strict cap on management compensation of $2m a year, including salary, bonuses, stock options, and personal use of company jets. As Baker says, "This can be a good first step toward reining in the outrageous salaries at financial institutions that have come at the expense of ordinary workers. We can apply the same salary caps for managers at other financial institutions that feed at the government trough." He notes that under the current bailout, which naturally was written by the banks themselves, "the government is explicitly subsidizing the pay of incompetent bank managers. It is the effective use of lobbyists that ensures the pay of the executives of Fannie and Freddie, not their skill and hard work."
In terms of college loans, why not downsize lending at the distinguished 4-year schools? After all, students at the wealthy 4-year schools have far more net worth than those attending community college. Also, since so many students at community college work full-time, I bet we're actually paying a great deal more in taxes than students at 4-year universities.
When it was discovered that a local congressman, my local congressman, was hoarding rent-stabilized apartments it became a weeklong media circus, with news conferences and special features on the 6 and 11 o'clock news. It seems like you can't turn on the news without a politician convening a press conference to defend their indefensibly corrupt behavior. Yet when it comes to the corruptions of the big banks the government rushes in to save their skin, that is, their hugely bloated salaries, and the media looks the other way.
As
it is, in many inner cities and low-income communities too many students
fall through the cracks before they even get a chance to attend community
college. As a society, we can't allow even more holes for them to
fall through. What happens to people when more unnecessary obstacles
are placed in front of them on their path to success?
The
big banks want us to help them out in tough times, after having made
extremely irrational lending decisions, but when we need help to purse
a very sound and rational course, the attainment of a college degree,
America's politicians sit in the back of the classroom and nod off
to sleep, squandering yet another chance for us to improve ourselves.
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Show AllQuote from Intel Chmn of the Board sure supports this.
The grandfatherly Barrett paraded guest after guest onto the stage to discuss their pet projects. And in between, he took some pot shots at the US government and education system. He said that our government doesn’t focus “as hard as we should” on education and research and development. He added that the US is falling behind in basic R & D. “Everyone else is recognizing that,” Barrett said of countries who are currently on pace to outspend the USA on technology research.
But I could be wrong !
I teach at a community college, and one of the things I most enjoy about it is working with students like the writer who are more mature and have a real appreciation for education. It is tragic that the students he describes are the victims of the irresponsibility and greed of bank executives, none of whom will be condemned to trying to live on minimum wage jobs as some of these students will be if they cannot get an education. The solution? We clearly need to have more grants and government backed low interest loans. The salary cap for overpaid executives wouldn't be a bad idea either...
Thank you for writing about this situation. The info just adds to the overwhelming info that the USA is transforming at a fast pace into a capitalist monopoly that will drain her of capital and drag her down to a third world status unless our elected leaders take action.
For the life of me I will never understand WHY some citizens continue to support the privatization of everything, for as you clearly pointed out, it only leads to third world status (a handful have and the rest can go f*** themselves.) My only guess is that some of our citizens are tied to a belief that rich people are smarter and more deserving--which is at it's core is a belief in an immoral hierarchy. Innaccurate too. And ultimately leads to slavery and death.
Interesting, the surest way to economic growth is through education.
Mr Foster does a good job in bringing attention to the persistent inequities in our society. Like him I am very saddened and outraged that the system continues to laud the well off, the established and the well connected, or let us say even the well lobbied.
I also think part of the problem for this permissive behavior by institutions and the elite establishments (the ivy schools, media , corporates, legal bodies ) has been the indoctrination of certain behavior, attitudes and assumptions zealously propagated by the media, the star struck audience which is made to feel in awe of the elite celebrity uber class and in dire want to be part of that club. No one wants to rock the boat, everyone wants to have their reality show, have high cheekbones and air kiss their shiny lifestyles- isn't this the new promise of what's attainable in America?
Here is a sobering thought; prior to the industrial age society lived in feudal like systems where it was understood that only the king, his lords, (fortune 500 companies) , the church(the media) could be on top and the rest of society had come to understand this until one remembers the french revolution when heads rolled.
It's been only a recent phenomena that equality has been established in society in the history of man, perhaps Mr.Fisher is right, the design is to get back to the good old days but as long as the public is given the illusion they believe they get past the velvet ropes why should anyone rebel when your own reality show is a season away.
In California, Community Collegs costs $18 a Semester/Credit, which means total expenses including books for a five class/15 credit semester should be under $600.
YOU DO NOT NEED STUDENT LOANS FOR THAT!!!
This is a good thing; student loans are nothing more than slavery. 18 year olds too dumb to know better sign up for them, and suddenly they are saddled with a debt that can NEVER be discharged through bankruptcy, and that will be collected by the full force of the Federal Government. No one sane should touch a student loan, if you cannot afford your college, move to a cheaper one. Or avail yourself of work-study, veterans' benefits or scholarships....
Have you ever heard of the concept that you get what you pay forÉ
If you`re taking five classes at a good college or university there`s not much time for you to have a job that will pay your rent or for food. Hence, you`ll need loans. Of course you could take 3 courses and work part time, which delays your reentry into the workforce by a couple of years.
Joining the army for education in the states means that before you get a chance to get to college, you`ve got to kill people. Great idea, except for the fact that the army does its best not to pay out those education credits. Just like they do their best to deny benefits to their wounded.
I doubt that the state of California would allow students from other states to pay 18$ per semester per credit. By the way, what does that college charge in additional fees...
I worked my way through San Diego State in five years, and, some years later, got a teaching credential at night while working full time. I seem to have survived. You can too. Or take the loans and become a slave...
TruthTeller wrote (August 28th, 2008 4:52 pm):
"In California, Community Collegs costs $18 a Semester/Credit, which means total expenses including books for a five class/15 credit semester should be under $600..."
Lucky you, TruthTeller. Where I live (Chicago suburbs) the local community college here (for which I already pay taxes) is not such a bargain. A four semester-hour class costs about 450 bucks.
The ruling class gets to send its kids to fancy schools, but once again, the little guy who's struggling to survive gets stomped on. Just another form of population cleansing...American-style. Even though eugenics "research" in the U.S. during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries (which gave Hitler many of his wacko ideas) was eventually discredited, somehow it lives on. But instead of gas chambers, the ruling class uses economics.
Hail, hail the prospering New American Industry: buying politicians--and customized protectionist legislation.
I am going to assume that four classes is a full load? If so, with books, that is $2,500 a semester, or $5K a year. If you live at home and work part time, that is doable. GI Bill, for example, would cover this COMPLETELY, and leave you with money left over. So, probably, would work study.
My big beef here is that basically student loans are voluntary slavery. You worry about the ruling class, well the ruling class LOVES people who take out student loans. Once you have one, you HAVE to work, because they will take everything you own if you do not make your payments.
Welcome to the 3rd world.
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Daniel Vincent Kelley
Nah, in the third world, public university is free. Unfortunately, only the children of the rich who went to private schools can pass the entrance exam...
Uh, TruthTeller, I don't think we're talking about young adults who live with their parents or somebody who just got out of the military service. I'm talking about, for example, displaced workers whose careers basically disappeared, and they need to re-train for a whole new job market. I'm talking about full-time workers who are trying to run a household--and look for a part-time job because wages are stagnant. Coming up with $5,000 per year is just as unattainable as $5,000,000.
I agree with you that the ruling class wants the rest of us to be forever in debt to them. Credit card interest is a good example. But home mortgages are kind of like that, too. Unless you plan to live for decades in a trailer park until you can pay cash for your own home. And having to be a wage slave for The Man is a necessity, whether you are paying off a student loan, paying off a mortgage, or paying rent in that trailer park.
So, you got yourself a teaching certificate. That's great! Your job is secure (schools can't be sent offshore--unlike the manufacturing companies where I used to work). You want a raise? The teachers unions only have to threaten to strike and send the kids home. The parents will immediately pressure the politicians to do whatever it takes--including raising revenues. I see it every year on my real estate tax bill. When I entered the work force, teaching didn't pay well compared to stuff like manufacturing engineering. I could make more money right out of high school as a lab technician than as a new teacher just out of college. But then, after 9-11, the bottom dropped out.
I'm probably wasting my time writing this. Every now and then I start going rounds with somebody on one of these on-line discussions. Just because I don't insist that what's worked for me will work for everybody else, doesn't mean I should expect others to think the same way. Guess I'm just not one of those more highly advanced beings, the Great Self-Made Ones. Maybe I waste too much time being compassionate towards those who are less fortunate or just need a little help.
Funny, when I hear someone starting to tell us how compassionate he or she is, it reminds me of the rednecks insisting how they are NOT racists. Sure. If words were all it took for compassion, this country would be paradise.
I return to my point about student loans. I know two teachers, one of whom is 62, who will DIE in debt up to their ears because of these damn things. Credit card debt, mortgages, etc are all cancellable in bankruptcy, and, if you are broke and walk away from a credit card, the issuer will usually eventually give up and write it off. Even taxes due the IRS are negotiable, if you know how to handle them. Student loans, on the other hand, are a millstone. Stop payment, and in a matter of months your bank account will be emptied, your house and car siezed, and your paycheck garnished. If you think making this kind of slavery easier is compassionate, then I guess we define the word differently.
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Local education for many subjects can be at relatively low carbon cost.
It does not cost a nation that much extra to provide enrichment of lives by education.
Local education is needed to produce the next generation of teachers and society.
Their are not enough jobs to go around for the numbers of potentially educatable and talented, as cheap labour overseas and technology have replaced the necessity of a large, skilled and highly educated work force.
Therefore education has to be provided and organised and enriched, even at a lower cost, for mainly social and environmental benefits.
Education is now being used as a tool of exclusion for class and racial barriers.
It's seven years later and I'm still paying off one year's worth of student loans. I can't imagine what the future looks like for a student who took out four, five or six years worth of loans.
You, my friend, are Exhibit A in my argument for why NO ONE should take those damn things out. God help you if you get sick and cannot make the payments.
What other choice is there?
Joe
I am giving a California answer, but in CA the choice is either Community College at about $500 a semester, full time, or a CA State U campus at a couple K a semester. You can work your way through either, I did.
You can also join the army and get GI Bill, do a work study, or study at night.
Or you can complain, and then sign up for voluntary slavery by taking out one of those damn loans.
Hamburger University
TruthTeller (August 29th, 2008 10:27 am):
"Funny, when I hear someone starting to tell us how compassionate he or she is, it reminds me of the rednecks insisting how they are NOT racists. Sure. If words were all it took for compassion, this country would be paradise..."
Funny, when I started posting in Common Dreams, I thought I would be in the company of reasonable and tolerant people. I never thought that I would be insulted by someone who doesn't even know who I am--yet insinuates that I'm a hypocrite or a liar. No matter how many people (especially those who seem to have some kind of an axe to grind) say differently, I KNOW I'm very concerned about the future of humanity. Maybe the driver in the huge, gas-guzzling SUV in front of me who's throwing trash out of his car window is just as concerned as I am, but it's sure hard to believe that. OK, so minimizing my energy consumption, donating time to stock food in the local poor people's pantry and writing letters to elected officials to encourage them to support a sensible bill (or oppose a bad one) isn't going to win me a Nobel Prize or put me up there with Mother Teresa. But I do what I can. I'm not going to bother to attach documentation or create a You-Tube video to verify my personal "compassion-quotient," because I know that some people don't really want proof--they just want to argue.
It took me 7 years to pay off my student loan, but I never thought about it as some horrible, oppressive burden. In fact, I thought it was nice that there was a federally-subsidized low-interest student loan for people who wanted to better themselves. But maybe I'm somehow out-of-touch with the reality of today. During the years I was making those payments, if the boss didn't give me a pay raise, I could just give my two-weeks notice and take a job down the street for 10 bucks a week more. And gasoline was 80 cents/gal. Those were the days!
Out of curiosity, I'll check back later just to see which one of the 328 words I've typed here gets pulled out and beaten up next.
Anyone who has to ADVERTISE to the rest of the world about how pious he is, usually isn't. Jesus Christ knew this when he dumped on the Pharisees in the temple, and things haven't much changed in the last 2,000 years.
I would be interested in knowing HOW pointing out options that people have beyond student loans is somehow "heartless", by the way. In certain situations, for certain people, they can be a good idea. But, generally, we as a society would be better off without them.
The big banks aren't NGOs, and they're not interested in supporting the education of people who will end up as teachers and firefighter-paramedics and nurses and technicians. They want to lend to those who will become law partners and investment bankers and CEOs. Nothing could better illustrate the dangers of turning the government's social responsibilities to the for-profit sector.
Alex
LawyerAlex, you hit the nail right on the head. Couldn't have said it better myself.