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Published on Thursday, March 5, 2009 by The Daily Show
CNBC Gives Financial Advice
CNBC's Rick Santelli is angry that those loser homeowners are going to get bailed out.
© 2009 The Daily Show
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Show AllNobody has any right to give financial advice or to comment on TV unless they can prove they saw the worldwide financial meltdown coming and warned us of it. Otherwise they lost their credibility and should be ashamed of parading around with no clothes.
Joe
I intern at MMFA, I saw an email yesterday that showed he had said in 2007 that if every subprime mortgage went bad, the economy wouldn't feel a thing...oops.
At least I think it was concerning Santelli.
Mike Whitney, who writes for www.counterpunch.com has been warning about a housing meltdown since at least 2005 when it still hadn't peaked. He even admitted to being a lone wolf and received alot of criticism, but he was adamant and has been proven correct. There are others writing for counterpunch who have been right on, Paul Craig Roberts and Michael Hudson, for example.
Whitneys articles are the reason we still rent today, with a very low rent, while most friends and relatives who bought in the last few years are upside down, and hurting. I have mixed feelings about mortgage bailouts, but I think the banking and corporate bailout is, to quote Hudson, "the biggest transfer of wealth to the ruling elite since the Norman Conquest".
Yeah, I hear ya'! I quit listening to all the weathermen in my area who were unable to predict hurricane Ike early enough for me to sell my place. These pretentious jerks think they deserve to be called "forecasters".
C'mon, you are holding people to an absurd standard. The markets are chaotic, just as weather is, and predicting precise long term results just isn't possible in most cases. If you go pack and look at what Paul Krugman was writing at the end of 2007, he said there was only a small chance (I believe he said ~20%) that this mortgage situation could turn into something serious.
You're missing the point. It's not that they were wrong; it's that they were wrong, expect a bailout for themselves, but not for anyone who heeded their advice. They loudly condemn the irresponsibility of others, as ironically as it can get, from the floor of a trading center. That's the point.
No, I get the point of the video and I agree with what you are saying. Independent of that, I am simply stating that you can be a good economist or financial adviser and still not have seen this big mess coming. Just as we can't predict exactly if, when or how the US economy will turn around in the coming months, it is hard to predict the details of if, when, or how a downturn or crisis will evolve as well.
That is what they would have you believe: That finance is not real, it is all subjective and mysterious. That way they can keep their jobs as financial advisors and broadcasters without knowing much of anything except how to parrot today's numbers and cherry-pick from hundreds of factors to provide an explanation. That way traders and investment bankers can collect their high salaries while patting us on the head and saying "Sonny, this is too hard for you to understand. I have it covered."
Meanwhile they ignore common sense. For instance: a whole lot of bad loans are actually just a whole lot of bad loans, not some magical derivative fairy dust.
I did not want to have to say this again, because it sounds like an obnoxious bragging parent, but my son, who graduated from law school a few years ago, started his first job in real estate and finance. He came to us soon after he started and described the bad mortgages and the way they were being bundled, discounted, sold and resold. He told me that it would all collapse. I said it was too bad the housing bubble would burst. He said no, he meant the entire financial sector would have a massive disastrous collapse. He told us to put our retirement in fixed income, which we did. We lost nothing.
At least one other poster on CD has cited similar early warnings from a relative working as a VP at a brokerage house. If these low level beginners and mid level executives could see it, why not those who pose as experts?
By the way - the partners in a brokerage do not buy and sell what they push on their clients. They have separate accounts with a whole different range of investments in that portfolio. They know exactly what they are doing.
Joe
Wow that is very interesting and startling! I am not at all doubting your story here, but I must say, that does sound almost like a conspiracy. Why aren't these lower executives being interviewed, or coming forward in some other way. Certainly, there must be wealthy people who would like to here what they have to say, since their own personal investments are at stake. In other words, it seems that the situation you are describing would take a collusion among lots of people, which is hard to believe. Again, I don't doubt that the story with your son is true, I just don't understand how the situation described in your first sentence could happen without some sort of tacit collusion. Thanks for sharing by the way.
I don't think there is a conspiracy, exactly. It's just that those who have inside information are usually vested in the situation and see everything as a cow to be milked.
I worked as a systems programmer on Wall Street and more recently my son was doing deals involving some of the people who you are reading about in the news. When you are a servant in the house you see and hear a lot. If you can think, you put two and two together. Those who are dining at the table don't care about the effect their actions will have on others down the line. They do their careless, selfish thing and meanwhile pay politicians to keep the regulators docile.
It's just how it works. However I would say that during the Bush regime, it did shade way over toward conspiracy. There were some people in the background with well coordinated plans to get very rich and to stifle any democratic resistance.
Joe
Stewart is brilliant !
I know everyone on this site will disagree with me, but I do think there is a huge ethical problem with keeping current mortgage owners in their home. They certainly shouldn't be given preferential treatment over other people who aren't currently paying mortgages. It isn't that I want people to be kicked out of their homes, I don't. Rather, a system needs to be worked out that restructures the mortgages and at the same time, gives everyone an equal shot at obtaining them. Admittedly, I know very little about the details of Obama's plan. After all of the flaming I will probably receive on this site, maybe I will learn a thing or two and change my opinion. I am open-minded!
Here's the details:
http://www.FinancialStability.gov
I will take a look. Thank you.
Scathingly brilliant skewering of CNBC by Jon Stewart!!! I watch CNBC along with only about 250,000 other households per day (small numbers but-hey- it is a business cable network). I remember well the numerous trashings they gave to Dr. Doom, AKA Nouriel Roubini over the years, an economist I have admired for 4 years or so. The Corporate pin heads just don't get it - they are trapped in their own little world, pandering to the corporate community of which they are a partner to, certainly not a watchdog. The score board of economy expertise:
Roubini, and the few like him - 1 CNBC - 0 .....end of story.
Nice work John Stewart.
CNBC is GE. GE is GE Capital is GE Money... is the fox guarding the hen house?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_Money
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_General_Electric
So, anyone have any ideas on what kind of retirement package to pursue outside of the stock market? I should probably start saving for retirement as soon as I finish my internship and start a permanent job, but I don't have a clue about finances.
Grappa
I think they, that is the Gov. should just outlaw all corp structures,period. That all business organizing should be either sole proprietary, or partnerships, with financial backing from local banks owned and controlled in the local communities.
snydly
Not only do the corporations want a bailout, THEY ALSO WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE THE BLAME.
That's how it is all FRAMED, for instance, on NBC.
Listen for it.