CIA Exceeded Interrogation Limits, Former Justice Dept. Official Says

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CIA Exceeded Interrogation Limits, Former Justice Dept. Official Says

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Ken Dilanian

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WASHINGTON - The former Justice Department official who cowrote the so-called torture memos testified that the department did not sanction some of the harsh methods the CIA used against detainees during the George W. Bush administration, including the repeated waterboarding of two suspected terrorists.

Jay Bybee, former head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, said in testimony released Thursday by the House Judiciary Committee that the CIA went further in its tough tactics than he had outlined as permissible in a widely criticized legal memoranda. Bybee appeared before the committee May 26.

For example, Bybee said, his memo, cowritten with attorney John Yoo, authorized waterboarding only if there were no "substantial repetitions."

CIA contractors waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the professed mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, 183 times, government documents show. Government interrogators used waterboarding, an interrogation technique that simulates drowning, 83 times on Abu Zubaydah, an al-Qaida associate whose status within the organization is disputed.

Among the other techniques reportedly used on CIA detainees that were not approved by the Justice Department, Bybee testified, were diapering a detainee, forcing a detainee to defecate on himself, forcing a detainee to wear blackout goggles, extended solitary confinement or isolation, hanging a detainee from ceiling hooks, daily beatings, spraying cold water on a detainee and subjecting a detainee to high-volume music or noise.

"So if these things occurred, dousing with cold water, subjecting to loud music to keep people from falling asleep, if that occurred, that means they were done without specific (Justice Department) authorization?" Bybee was asked by the committee.

"That's right," Bybee replied.

"So the answer is 'yes?'" one lawmaker asked.

"Those techniques were not authorized," Bybee replied.

The "testimony reveals that many brutal techniques reportedly used in CIA interrogations were not authorized by the Justice Department," Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said Thursday. "The author of these legal memos has now admitted this on the record. These statements are highly relevant to the pending criminal investigation of detainee abuse."

CIA spokesman George Little said: "Opinions from the Office of Legal Counsel were the foundation for the CIA's past detention and interrogation practices. That program, now over, has been - and continues to be - the subject of extensive review. As the attorney general has said, the focus is to see if anyone involved in the program may have gone beyond the legal guidance Justice provided."

Last month, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said that Assistant U.S. Attorney John Durham is close to completing a preliminary criminal review of whether CIA agents or contractors violated the law in their use of brutal interrogation methods. Holder has said that the criminal investigation does not necessarily mean government interrogators will face charges.

President Barack Obama, who banned waterboarding in interrogations, has said that CIA agents who were operating under Justice Department legal advice would not be prosecuted.

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