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Experts: Radiation at Fukushima Plant Far Worse Than Thought
Water at surprisingly low levels; damage "worse than expected"
Radiation levels inside Fukushima's reactor 2 have reached fatally high levels, and levels of water are far lower than previously thought, experts say today.
A radiation monitor indicates 131.00 microsieverts per hour near the No.4 and No.3 buildings at the tsunami-crippled Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO)'s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in Fukushima prefecture February 28, 2012. (REUTERS/Kimimasa Mayama/Pool) The current radiation levels are so high that even robots cannot enter. Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) says that new robots and equipment will need to be developed to deal with the lethal levels of radiation.
TEPCO spokesperson Junichi Matsumoto told the Associated Press, "We have to develop equipment that can tolerate high radiation" when locating and removing melted fuel during the decommissioning.
At ten times the lethal dose, the radiation levels are at their highest point yet.
At the current level of 73 sieverts, the data gathering robots can only stand two to three hours of exposure. But, Tsuyoshi Misawa, a reactor physics and engineering professor at Kyoto University's Research Reactor Institute, told The Japan Times, "Two or three hours would be too short. At least five or six hours would be necessary." He added that "the shallowness of the water level is a surprise, and the radiation level is awfully high."
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The Japan Times: Reactor 2 radiation too high for access
73 sieverts laid to low water; dose too high even for robots
Radiation inside the reactor 2 containment vessel at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant has reached a lethal 73 sieverts per hour and any attempt to send robots in will require them to have greater resistance than currently available, experts said Wednesday.
Exposure to 73 sieverts for a minute would cause nausea and seven minutes would cause death within a month , Tokyo Electric Power Co. said.
The experts said the high radiation level is due to the shallow level of coolant water — 60 cm — in the containment vessel, which Tepco said in January was believed to be 4 meters deep. Tepco has only peeked inside the reactor 2 containment vessel. It has few clues as to the status of reactors 1 and 3, which also suffered meltdowns, because there is no access to their insides.
The utility said the radiation level in the reactor 2 containment vessel is too high for robots, endoscopes and other devices to function properly.
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BBC News: Probe finds high radiation in damaged Fukushima reactor
The operator of Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear plant has said damage to one of the reactors is much worse than previously thought. [...]
On Tuesday workers managed to insert a probe into reactor number two for only the second time and found damage worse than expected.
Radiation was up to 10 times the fatal dose, the highest yet recorded at the plant. The level of water cooling the melted-down nuclear fuel was also far lower than expected.
The other two melted-down reactors, which are yet to be examined closely, could be in an even worse state, our correspondent adds.
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Show AllThat Royal Dutch Airlines (KLM) 747 you mentioned was completely totaled by hitting the ash cloud according to Aviation Week. Nothing was salvageable. The ash was so abrasive it eroded everything including the cladding of the aluminum, all the engines and systems, and destroyed the air conditioning systems (packs) and dumped ash on the passengers. It had to be one hell of a scary ride!
They almost crashed, as you said. And you are also correct about the PT2 and PT7 barometric probes for the engine EPR (Engine Pressure Ratio) that go apeshit when that happens: All the automation fails, the autopilot lets go, the autothrottlles fail, the engines stall, choking on that extremely gritty ash. Man, it must have been assholes and elbows in that KLM cockpit that night! All we can do when this happens, is slam the throttles to idle, throw on the anti-ice and the igniters and try to fly out of the phucking cloud and desperately try to relight down lower. It's frightening, since you know all the engines are going to quit if it's thick enough. That also means no airspeed, since the pitot tubes and static port clog. Saint Elmo's fire starts arcing all over the place. It smells musty as hell, It gets dark outside, and inside most of the lights go out: Must have been a little like the control room of Fukushima. You know you're probably phucked, all you can do is keep trying to restart the systems until something explodes or you luck out of it. Even though it was not required by the FAA, we practiced dead sticks in the sim.
Your analysis of the mushroom cloud at Fukushima is very insightful as well. The photo frame was taken just a second or so after the shock wave blew off the top. We know it got up into the jet stream, which is typically in the low thirties and forties. The "Trop" (Tropopause, temperature change) is typically 38K to 48K IIRC, and that's where most of the Plutonium Oxide dust from Fuku Unit 3 probably would have stopped vertically as it spread all over the world.
We all breathed it, just like we all breathed the FUBAR's at Rocky Flats Bomb factory in Colorado according to poster "evilman". Those embitters can still be detected in our bodies if the equipment is calibrated to look for it. Those born before 1964 still carry around plutonium atoms from the USAF high altitude nuclear test that can be detected with radiology scanners.
Wayne, thanks for your tireless research on the physiological effects of inhaled radioactive isotopes. We appreciate that more than you know.
With Great Respect,
TJ
Yes; the difference between Pt2 and Pt7 gives the EPR from the engine, (if no leaks in Pt7 probe lines)... The inlet temps and pressure sensors are auto read by the fuel control.... In a T-56 engine the fuel control also reads throttle movement, turbine inlet temp, compressor inlet temp and pressure, all of which are fed into a computer for the electronic controlled fuel control.... Used on the Lockheed Electra, the Lockheed Pogo and C-130s.
I believe you do a much better job of informing others about all aspects of the dangers of radioactive poisons' than I do Tom. You are awsome and I for one am very glad you are here at CD.
I may be taking a couple of weeks off soon to visit our children.
And remember that without your elaborations on DU ammo proliferation from nuke plants and the 'Methane Burp' I would have never questioned the official lines as GE's were great engines, and I greatly admired that company until I learned about the Reckless Mark I Design patched up from Submarines. I would have never questioned the tail pipe suicide that we are committing against the melting arctic and did not know about the potency of Methane until you eloquently explained it to me.
And I think you are probably correct that Coal is a bigger threat to our species, it's just that nuke power makes our lives short and miserable, and it's so unnecessary. Why smoke AND drink AND get in knife-fights? It doesn't make any sense at all, imho.
Kem, you're the most decent, caring guy on the board and people sense that. With wireless, I'm able to keep blogging while I'm a few feet from the family, so if you leave me for a couple of weeks, be sure to commandeer your children's wireless device and check in on the "mind boggling" distortions!
pac
'Mushroom cloud From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia'
If you look hard enough on the Internet, you can find whatever you want
From the Collins English dictionary:
mushroom cloud
n
(Physics / Nuclear Physics) the large mushroom-shaped cloud of dust, debris, etc. produced by a nuclear explosion
Of course, the important point is that there was NO nuclear explosion at Fukushima, as you incorrectly contend.
John
Folks, I don't contend there was a nuclear explosion. I contend there may have been a nuclear explosion over the Number 3 Spent Fuel Pool (SFP). It is former Nuclear VP and nuclear engineer Arnie Gunderson who has proven a red fireball, uncharacteristic of a hydrogen explosion, appeared over the SFP a few seconds before the mushroom cloud went up, as the link I provided earlier shows.
Some Pro-nuke advocates here, can't distinguish the difference between a layman's general dictionary and the technical aeronautical manuals with detail provided by and for professional meteorologists or physicists which are referenced in wikipedia's footnotes. I am at a loss to understand why they were never taught the difference. My only guess is that when they claimed to have been employed by the nuclear industry, that they must have done so in the capacity of janitors (who pretended at midnight to be nuclear engineers after the real ones went home.) :-D
TJ
'No,
'Folks, I don't contend there was a nuclear explosion. I contend there may have been a nuclear explosion over the Number 3 Spent Fuel Pool (SFP)....'
That seems hopelessly at odds with this statement of yours:
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The real story of Fukushima is that it nuked 30 million people. It's not reported anywhere except by industry insiders.
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John
He used the word "nuked"... Well when trillions of isotopes of Pu and cesium were spewed all over mid Japan the day the number 3 spent fuel rod pond exploded, as the wind was circling right over Tokyo that day, the people were "nuked" with radioactive poisons.
30 million people is likely a very conservative figure. We were all "nuked" in one degree or another, fromminor to major and we will continue to be "nuked" for many years to come from the Fukushima disaster. .
Your obtuse and frequently silly comments ~John Iannetta~, playing your "word" games and generally being another RFinston, are both ignorant and boring to say the least.
But when a person makes a pact with the devil or big business, they have to perform right.... You are fooling no one who has any common sense and honesty.
Nuclear reactors worldwide really have to go. That's the only lesson to be learned from Fukushima and the many nuclear accidents since 1945. Germany is implementing the lesson by "decommissioning" all their nukes. The rest of the world really needs to get the message.
As Harry Tuttle, the renegade, flying, air-conditioning-repair-man said in the movie "Brazil":
"We're all in it together!" (rent it; it's a scream.)
"The universal is no longer abstraction, but specific, because what is at stake is the fate of a specific planet and its specific inhabitants, facing the specific problems of life, death, and progress."
----- Edgar Morin