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Afghan Villagers: Massacre of Civilians Fueled by 'Revenge'
Afghan villagers near the site where US Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales is alleged to have murdered 16 civilians, including nine children, claim US troops -- just days before the shooting -- lined them up against a wall after a roadside bombing and told them that they, and even their children, would pay a price for the attack.
Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, (L) 1st platoon sergeant, Blackhorse Company, 2nd Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division, is seen during an exercise at the National Training Center in Fort Irwin, California, in this August 23, 2011 DVIDS handout photo. (REUTERS/Department of Defence/Spc. Ryan Hallock) Although the villagers account could not be independently verified by the Associated Press, "their claim that the shootings by a US soldier may have been payback for a roadside bombing has gained wide currency in the area and has been repeated by politicians testifying about the incident to Afghan President Hamid Karzai."
In the United States, where Americans broadly accept the lone-shooter explanation offered by the US military, the media focus has been mainly on Bales' "state of mind" and what impact the massacre might have on public support for the ongoing US/NATO mission. But in Afghanistan there is widespread suspicion that the killings were carried out not by a single gunman, but by several perpetrators. Revelations about the possible motivations for the shooting only add to those beliefs.
Bales, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times, admitted to fellow soldiers that he "took out some middle-aged
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The Associated Press recounts the villagers' stories:
One Mokhoyan resident, Ahmad Shah Khan, told The Associated Press that after the bombing, U.S. soldiers and their Afghan army counterparts arrived in his village and made many of the male villagers stand against a wall.
"It looked like they were going to shoot us, and I was very afraid," Khan said. "Then a NATO soldier said through his translator that even our children will pay for this. Now they have done it and taken their revenge."
Neighbors of Khan gave similar accounts to the AP, and several Afghan officials, including Kandahar lawmaker Abdul Rahim Ayubi, said people in the two villages that were attacked told them the same story.
One Afghan villager said a U.S. soldier, speaking through a translator, then said: "I know you are all involved and you support the insurgents. So now, you will pay for it — you and your children will pay for this.'"
Mohammad Sarwar Usmani, one of several lawmakers who went to the area, said the Afghan National Army had confirmed to him that an explosion occurred near Mokhoyan on March 8.
On March 13, Afghan soldier Abdul Salam showed an AP reporter the site of a blast that made a large crater in the road in Panjwai district of Kandahar province, where the shootings occurred. The soldier said the explosion occurred March 8. Salam said he helped gather men in the village, and that troops spoke to them, but he was not close enough to hear what they said.
Ghulam Rasool, a tribal elder from Panjwai district of Kandahar province, where the shootings occurred, gave an account of the bombing at a March 16 meeting in Kabul with President Hamid Karzai.
"After the incident, they took the wreckage of their destroyed tank and their wounded people from the area," Rasool said. "After that, they came back to the village nearby the explosion site.
"The soldiers called all the people to come out of their houses and from the mosque," he said.
"The Americans told the villagers, 'A bomb exploded on our vehicle. ... We will get revenge for this incident by killing at least 20 of your people,'" Rasool said. "These are the reasons why we say they took their revenge by killing women and children in the villages."
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Naek Mohammad, who lives in Mokhoyan, told the AP that he heard an explosion March 8 and went outside. As he and a neighbor talked about what happened, he said, two Afghan soldiers ordered them to join other men from the village who had been told to stand against a wall.
"One of the villagers asked what was happening," he said. "The Afghan army soldier told him, 'Shut up and stand there.'"
Mohammad said a U.S. soldier, speaking through a translator, then said: "I know you are all involved and you support the insurgents. So now, you will pay for it — you and your children will pay for this.'"
None of the villagers could identify the soldier who they said issued the threat.
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From the Los Angeles Times: Afghan shooting suspect didn't mention women, kids, official says
Staff Sgt. Robert Bales had "indicated to his buddies that he had taken out some military-aged males," the senior official told The Times. Soldiers frequently use that term to denote insurgents.
But Bales' account, suggesting he had a legitimate military purpose for an unauthorized foray off base in the middle of the night, apparently unraveled when base commanders began learning the grisly details of the massacre of the Afghan civilians in their homes.
At that point, the 38-year-old Army veteran was taken into custody. Bales refused to talk further and soon asked to speak to a lawyer, two officials said. [...]
The previous week apparently had been difficult for Bales. A bomb hidden near the base had blown off the leg of a soldier whom Bales knew, said [John Henry Browne Bales' defense lawyer].
Afghans living in the area, meanwhile, described relations between residents and American troops as tense and often hostile.
An Afghan elder who lives in Zangawat, a village near the base, said U.S. soldiers threatened residents with retaliation after an American vehicle hit a buried bomb three days before the shootings. That apparently was the same bombing cited by Bales' attorney.
U.S. soldiers "took people out of their houses and threatened them," Sayed Mohammad Azim Agha, the tribal elder, said in an interview.
"They said, 'If there are IEDs, you will bear the consequences,'" he said, using the acronym for "improvised explosive device."
It could not be determined whether Bales was a member of the team that responded to the bombing. Browne said Bales did not witness the explosion but saw the aftermath.
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And Salon.com's Jefferson Morley asks, Did Sgt. Bales have help?
It’s a familiar argument in the annals of American violence: is some specific heinous deed the work of a disturbed individual acting alone? Or is it the work of unidentified conspirators? That’s the question hanging over the case of Sgt. Robert Bales, accused of killing 16 Afghan civilians last weekend. With U.S. officials releasing no information on how many soldiers are under investigation, it is premature to rule out the possibility that Bales had no accomplices.
A group of Afghan parliamentary investigators has concluded that Bales was part of a group of 15-20 soldiers. As Outlook Afghanistan reported Monday, “The team spent two days in the province, interviewing the bereaved families, tribal elders, survivors and collecting evidences at the site in Panjwai district.” One of the parliamentarians told Pajhwok Afghan News that investigators believed 15 to 20 American soldiers carried out the killings.
“I have encountered almost no Afghan who believes it could have been one person acting alone, whether they think it was a group or people back at the base somehow organizing or facilitating it,” Kate Clark of the Afghanistan Analysts Network told the Guardian. (The AAN is funded by four Scandanavian governments, all of which have troops in Afghanistan).
By contrast, few U.S. news account question that the massacre was the work of one man acting alone. In the U.S. media accounts Bales is described as the proverbial “lone nut,” a man under pressure from former investors and foreclosing banks who may have had too many tours of duties and too many drinks. In testimony to the House Armed Services Committee today, Gen. John Allen, commander of the international forces in Afghanistan, emphasized the singular nature of Bales’ actions. “We are now investigating what appears to be the murder of 16 innocent Afghan civilians at the hands of a U.S. service member,” he said. Allen also announced a separate administrative investigation into “command relationships associated with [Bales'] involvement in that combat outpost,” which suggests the scope of the probe may be broadening.
“He just snapped,” an unnamed senior U.S. official told the New York Times. “When it all comes out, it will be a combination of stress, alcohol and domestic issues.” This official’s comments reportedly drew from “accounts of the sergeant’s state of mind from two other soldiers with whom he illicitly drank alcohol on the night of the shootings, the official said, and those soldiers face disciplinary action.”
Leave aside this official’s willingness to draw sweeping conclusions from limited evidence. The passing admission that two other soldiers face disciplinary action for drinking with Bales on the night of the massacre might cast doubt on the notion that no one else knew what Bales was going to do. Army spokeswoman Lt. Col Amy Hannah said in telephone interview that she could not confirm the Times’ account. “I am not aware of any releases of information” about other soldiers facing disciplinary action, Hannah said. If the U.S. official’s remarks to the Times were accurate, then the Army is refraining from disclosing how many soldiers are under investigation.
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On the flip side, the US has now set the precedent that political leaders are "valid targets" for military action, regardless of their "civillian" status. Therefore, one could argue that logic also applies to western leaders.
As well, by "cutting them off from the outside world", constitutes collective punishment which is a violation of international law.
Seems that the real victim here is the laws of physics.
… the laws of physics ?
… peer reviewed science of still (10 years later) more explosive than dynamite, military grade nanothermite residue, in many independent samples of the WTC dusts ?
… unencumbered free-fall acceleration ?
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So you "don't buy that," and instead favor the edificial fantasy narrative, that has hundreds of thousands of proven lies as its basis ?
"Really ?"
AS IF several trillions of dollars of the most advanced, mutli-spectral, sensitive, and vastly redundant radar systems (and C3) ever imagined (24/7/365.25) -- that can track sub-postage sized flecks of metal from street level to tens of thousands of miles in orbit -- just somehow lost 4 huge jet airliners for hours ?
"Really ?"
"I don't buy that."
http://outlookafghanistan.net/news?post_id=3685
http://exm.nr/GDUh6C
As tomcarberry's source referenced above is curiously inaccessible today (bandwidth exceeded = likely ongoing denial of service attack), at
http://outlookafghanistan.net/news?post_id=3685
Strikingly, the information provided by Afghan sources would appear to directly contradict the "official story" being pushed by Washington. What the truth is, I don't know... but to me, something smells really rotten with the official story.
Yes, very true and well said.
"Why is the Times quoting "an unnamed senior U.S. official" who apparently has no contact or connection with the good Sergeant as an authority on Bales' state of mind?"
Because by being both seemingly solid and plausible, but actually slippery and empty of reality's truth, the organs of clever propaganda deceitfully make use of only supposedly accurate anonymous authoritarian annoyers and deniers of our shared existence.
The edificial statements are semantically vacuous, as part of a disinformation pretext and are also purposefully demeaning of ourselves & our intelligence, so as to be devoid of any truth or meaning of what really happened.
The PTB, are instructing and conditioning us to just go back asleep, nothing to see here … as it is exactly as it should be.
( … and perhaps you thought that only the Jedi knights only had that power ? )
HOWEVER, you are being far too kind, to suggest any "disappoint[ing]" wiggle room, of the machinery's only supposed independence, morality, contriteness, or awareness :
"Times would not want to disappoint a senior U.S. official, …especially unnamed, because it's what senior U.S. officials give them access for...and the Times delivers."
Yes he certainly is "the fall guy" -- but EVEN MORE SO are the USAian PUBLIC -- which I see as so much far worse, being purposefully destructive of our mindfulness, intent, and eviscerating what's left of our participatory democracy.
The public is being purposefully invalidated and dehumanized -- to ensure better control and ever greater acquiescence and domination -- as are not we all being indicted as mass murders now ?
Are we not ALL part of that same stock, from which such supposedly violently mad behavior comes out of ?
They don't want us to consciously know, that the very process of separating US from actually experiencing that devastating PAIN and suffering, is how the PTB anesthetize and numb the public by only seemingly explaining away things. They are habituating and conditioning us NOT to care, about ANY others and even ourselves …
The SOLUTION, is for ALL of us, to connect with that PAIN.
The SOLUTION, is to connect with those suffering and hurting egregiously, including us (i.e. separation is the problem).
The SOLUTION, is to better understand that we're being manipulated by OUR OWN suppressed, denied, and repressed Shadow behaviors (both good and bad) -- as the PTB have us like dancing marionettes -- being pulled willy-nilly by their blood soaked (and very profitable) warmongering strings
The SOLUTION, comes from challenging and dealing with our dysfunctional patterns of blame and vengeance -- that originates in externalizing and exaggerating fears of enemies and evils -- as ONLY EXISTING outside of ourselves.
Ending the pathetic delusions of American exceptionalism
Dealing with those parts of our unexamined and subconscious selves, that we are as yet unable to experience, as part of who we are.
We must go through the experiences we deny the existence of, in order to HEAL ourselves -- in ORDER TO get to the promised land -- as there is no way to avoid the pain. The deep harsh wounds in our psyche and hearts only fester and becoming more dangerously inflamed and deadly, and the bleeding is never ending.
We are infinitely more generous, loving, gracious, and connected -- than most ever imagine we could be -- and our lack of truly understanding and experiencing that GREATNESS, is being purposefully repressed, denied, and denigrated by EMPIRE's unremitting hegemony of 'greed at any cost.'
Isn't is TIME to re-humanize OURSELVES ?
Who's a real HUMAN BEING, as contrasted to who's a human DOING, or who's a human HAVING ?
Fully aware and balanced human beings, are not mere cardboard cutouts, to be posed and then arranged like Papier-mâché deck chairs on the Titanic.
The Forces of rapacious Empire, certainly do want us to FALL for this crap …
Can we learn to chose better ?
" Yes, we CAN "
I do appreciate your steadfast morality of holding all War Criminals accountable, and thank you for your poignant comments about "madness," so thank you for that.
HOWEVER, I must beg to differ about your certainty of :
"Indeed we may regard Sergeant Bales’ madness as a mitigating circumstance,"
… as clear evidence exists of two villages being attacked by ~ 15-20 "mad" shooters, over far too short of the period of time, for a lone gunman's act.
While we can agree that "Sergeant Bales’ madness" is self-evident, and those of his peers and superiors is deceitfully and cravenly hidden, the real issue is the "madness" of the complacent, complicit, and oblivious USAian public.
We need to become increasing more aware and conscious, and then to learn to chose better -- for our children's future is at stake.
see actual evidence and factual record :
http://exm.nr/GDUh6C
( P. S. tomcarberry's source referenced below is curiously inaccessible today, at http://outlookafghanistan.net/news?post_id=3685 )