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Senators Attack Government's Use of Patriot Act
Sens. Wyden, Udall: Americans would be 'Stunned' at Justice Department's Surveillance Powers
Two members of the Senate Intelligence Committee have expressed concerns that the US Justice Department is abusing provisions in the Patriot Act.
Senator Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) is among two members of the Senate Intelligence Committee that has expressed concern over how the Justice Department has been interpreting the Patriot Act. (Photo: Washington Post) In a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder, Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) and Mark Udall (D-Colorado) warned that the government is secretly interpreting sweeping surveillance powers in section 215 of the Patriot Act. They also warned that this "top secret intelligence operation" as the New York Times reported, is "not as crucial to national security as executive branch officials have maintained." The senators said Americans would be "stunned" to learn of the nature of this intelligence program.
The dispute is over the government's ability to obtain a secret foreign order under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to obtain business records and other items relevant to terrorism or espionage. The specifics of the program are classified.
The letter also expressed discontent over the Obama Administrations failure to establish a "regular process for reviewing, redacting and releasing significant opinions" about the Patriot Act. The senators complained that "not a single opinion has been redacted."
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Democratic Senators Issue Strong Warning About Use of the The Patriot Act, The New York Times:
For more than two years, a handful of Democrats on the Senate intelligence committee have warned that the government is secretly interpreting its surveillance powers under the Patriot Act in a way that would be alarming if the public — or even others in Congress — knew about it.
On Thursday, two of those senators — Ron Wyden of Oregon and Mark Udall of Colorado — went further. They said a top-secret intelligence operation that is based on that secret legal theory is not as crucial to national security as executive branch officials have maintained.
The senators, who also said that Americans would be “stunned” to know what the government thought the Patriot Act allowed it to do, made their remarks in a letter to Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. after a Justice Department official last month told a judge that disclosing anything about the program “could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security of the United States.”
The Justice Department has argued that disclosing information about its interpretation of the Patriot Act could alert adversaries to how the government collects certain intelligence. It is seeking the dismissal of two Freedom of Information Act lawsuits — by The New York Times and by the American Civil Liberties Union — related to how the Patriot Act has been interpreted.
The senators wrote that it was appropriate to keep specific operations secret. But, they said, the government in a democracy must act within publicly understood law so that voters “can ratify or reject decisions made on their behalf” — even if that “obligation to be transparent with the public” creates other challenges.
“We would also note that in recent months we have grown increasingly skeptical about the actual value of the ‘intelligence collection operation,’ ” they added. “This has come as a surprise to us, as we were initially inclined to take the executive branch’s assertions about the importance of this ‘operation’ at face value.”
The dispute centers on what the government thinks it is allowed to do under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, under which agents may obtain a secret order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court allowing them to get access to any “tangible things” — like business records — that are deemed “relevant” to a terrorism or espionage investigation.
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Senators Demand DOJ Release Secret Spy Court Ruling, Wired.
Two Democratic senators urged the Obama administration Thursday to declassify secret court rulings that give the government far wider domestic spying powers under the Patriot Act than intended.
The 10-year-old measure, hastily adopted in the wake of the 2001 terror attacks, grants the government broad surveillance powers with little oversight that can be used domestically.
While much has been written and debated about the bill’s powers and efficacy, there’s evidently much more going on than the public knows.
A secret tribunal known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court has issued classified rulings about the Patriot Act that U.S. Senator Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) and Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colorado) say expand the government’s surveillance powers even more.
At issue, the lawmakers said, is section 215 of the Patriot Act. The sweeping power, one of the most controversial in the law, allows the secret FISA court to authorize broad warrants for most any type of record, including those held by banks, internet companies, libraries and doctors. The government does not have to show a connection between the items sought under a section 215 warrant and a suspected terrorist or spy: the authorities must assert the documents would be relevant to an investigation. Those who receive such an order are not allowed to tell anyone, ever, that such records were requested.
The senators, in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder, wrote:
“We believe most Americans would be stunned to learn the details of how these secret court opinions have interpreted section 215 of the Patriot Act. As we see it, there is now a significant gap between what most Americans think the law allows and what the government secretly claims the law allows. This is a problem, because it is impossible to have an informed public debate about what the law should say when the public doesn’t know what its government thinks the law says.”
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Already have compiled lists of "agitators" and "malcontents" and the preferred family internment camps you and they are slated to be incarcerated in. That may well shock some. Just a thought..
Keeping the details secret implicitly endorses the national security value of such activities over the rights of the US people. Let us be stunned, so we can oppose whatever is so stunning. How can people oppose something vague and secret?
Have some courage, guys. A US Senator is in one of the best positions to survive whistleblowing retaliations. Perhaps you want to preserve your access to future such documents. But if you never do anything with the information, what is the point ?
But realistically speaking, you are right. The concern will lay dormant and die unless the public acts and exerts pressure. It would help to motivate the public if we knew more, but that is a circular path, is it not? So we have to act about some secret scary thing we cannot know about, except that it is scary... and secret... and issued by a secret tribunal... with secret proceedings and secret members.
Where is our Kafka?
I got over being stunned in 2001 when these self-same 'critics' signed off on the thing without reading it.
Little surprised Wyden has time for this anyway, what with helping Paul Ryan eviscerate Medicare and all.
The "grave damage to the national security"...is Orwell-speak for "lying to each and every citizen, each and every moment, for each and everyone's entire life. To me, that's the gravest damage that any governmental body could do to its body politic and citizenry.
When many from the left voted for this guy, we thought the windows were being slammed open, letting in much needed ventilation, after a prior administration full of war criminals, all of whom need to be very careful whenever they leave the country now...but were we ever sold an award-winning story!!!
http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-barack-obama-conclusively-outed-as-cia...
Let's cut to the chase here. As I wrote so long ago, the so called Patriot Act is mis-named, illegal and unconstitutional!
We are, or used to be, governed by the Constitution of the United States and its first ten amendments, usually referred to as the Bill of Rights.
That Constitution cannot be changed by legislative or executive fiat! There is a means of changing the Constitution, which is spelled out in the document itself. The only way the Patriot Act could be a legal, binding document would be if an amendment to the Constitution were proposed, wherein We the People gave up the protections of the Constitution and passed all authority to the government, reserving none for ourselves. That would have to be ratified by 3/4ths of the population to become law.
Every time I see one of these endless discussions about the effect of the latest use of the Patriot Act, I wait for someone who has read the Constitution and Bill of Rights and really understands it to declare the Patriot Act illegal, rip it up, and return the Constitution to the Halls of Government, intact and functioning. I don't even see that mentioned, but it would certainly sever the Gordian Knot which has been used for over a decade to subjugate and render powerless, the American People.
Unfortunately, the Legislators, the Executive, the Judiciary, and the merchants of greed and death in the MICC really enjoy this illusory power and will do anything to perpetuate it, and denigrate the Constitution they have sworn to protect and defend.
This is the oath sworn by every Senator and Congressman when they are sworn in, and at the start of each session:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
The President takes an even briefer vow:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
The Constitution is not a "quaint document made by a bunch of people a couple of hundred years ago." Rather it is a carefully worded document intended to keep American Citizens free from despotic power, which they had ample opportunity to experience as subjects of the Georgian Empire.
If you read the Bill of Rights carefully, you will note that it does not give us permission to do anything. It forbids the government from interfering with those rights.
As that is exactly what the government is doing, using an illegal and unconstitutional document as its basis, the entire United States Government is an illegal, unconstitutional, enterprise and should be removed in favor of a constitutional government.
"The entire United States Government is an illegal, unconstitutional, enterprise and should be removed in favor of a constitutional government."
The removal of that government would be a revolution. Revolution. Savor the word.
Nice job flaunting the oaths that the politicians lyingly utter at their swearing in. If any but a few of them were held to those standards, their treason would be exposed.
One exception might be the president:
"The President takes an even briefer vow:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Most of the con-men who live in the white house could wiggle out of guilt by citing the phrase " to the best of my Ability", which absolves the willfully incompetent.
By the way, when is Common Dreams going to fix the hard return bug on this website? It's been here for MONTHS. Wake up the lazy E-hole who does your tech support. Remind him/her that there are a lot of unemployed IT techs out here. :(
How dare these people conjure up bills and the president sign them and the specifics are CLASSIFIED! I cannot discern whether w is still president or some guy named o. Certainly some rearranging needs to be done here. I cannot express just how ugly this is when the samo people are reelected and serve again and again and again and not changing a thing by repealing or correcting the provisions. I bet there is a larger turnover in russia's parliament than in the u.s. congress. This is above and beyond what occupy is about, this is like turning the whole country over to the new brand of nazis, american politicians. My big hope is that the incumbents are ousted in a large mass.
There are so many spooks, they have to get in line to step on their own foreskins.
Let 'em go at it.
In another vein these senators should worry about being summoned to the White House and being taken for an airplane ride a la Dennis Kucinich.
Actually that never happened. Might wanna check your facts.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1
The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)
Remember in 1984, when the people had to guard their faces and their body language at all times, for the slightest thing could get you disappeared or "vaporized". This included in your home as the TV also was two-way, you couldn't shut it off, and you never knew when a member of the thought police might be watching you, analyzing whether you were sufficiently enthusiastic in the two minute hate, for instance.
Orwell, like London, Lewis, and many others have morphed from novelists to prophets. Their prophesies are all rather grim, and seem to be coming to pass.
How comforting for the senators. Good PR for their campaigns. No real action needed.
Occupy.