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Occupied: Japanese Nuclear Foes Defy Order to Remove Tents
Occupying the Grounds of the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry
Japanese anti-nuclear protesters defied a government order Friday to vacate the area in front of the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry in Tokyo’s Kasumigaseki. Protesters have been occupying the Ministry grounds since Sept. 11, 2011.
Standing firm: An antinuclear activist gives a speech Friday evening as he and other protesters refused to take down their tents at the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry by the 5 p.m. deadline. YOSHIAKI MIURA The Japan Times reports Saturday:
Antinuclear activists camping out at the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry refused to take down their tents Friday despite an order to do so by 5 p.m.
Hundreds of people meanwhile came to see the three tents around the deadline, apparently to show their support for the protesters.
About 10 of the activists have regularly stayed in the tents since September.
METI on Wednesday handed the protesters an order to remove their tents by 5 p.m. Friday because they "continued to use fires even though we repeatedly told them not to," official Hideyuki Maekawa said.
But shortly after 5 p.m., Maekawa told The Japan Times the ministry was not taking any action against the protesters and instead hopes they "will leave voluntarily."
The protesters meanwhile argued they have the right to stay there to continue their demonstration calling for termination of all nuclear power plant operations.
"We feel we have the right to stay here. We understand it is unlawful to stay on somebody's premises without authorization. But this space is a very public place, which gives us right to be here," one of their leaders, restaurant owner Taro Fuchigami, told The Japan Times. [...]
The protesters began camping out at the corner of the ministry Sept. 11. They applied for permission Sept. 13 to pitch their tents there, but METI denied the request Sept. 29, both Maekawa and Fuchigami said. [...]
Maekawa said the protesters have been technically breaking the law since Sept. 29, but METI effectively allowed them to stay because "people can have different opinions."
However, the ministry changed its attitude because the protesters kept using open flames to cook and keep warm despite METI's admonishments.
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Show AllMaybe their "anti-nuke" (read: pro- safe electricity) goals are vague enough to be allowed? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3EiZI6CuHc&feature=related
This is the greatest human disaster we've ever had; coupled with the biggest coverup in human history. A lot of us aren't going to survive this. !4,000 now updated to 20,000 Americans have been likely killed by this thing, according to Doctor Janette Sherman, M.D. and Joseph J. Mangano.
Janette Sherman, M.D.worked for the Atomic Energy Commission (forerunner of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission) at the University of California in Berkeley, and for the U.S. Navy Radiation Defense Laboratory in San Francisco. She served on the EPA’s advisory board for 6 years, and has been an advisor to the National Cancer Institute on breast cancer. Dr. Sherman specializes in internal medicine and toxicology with an emphasis on chemicals and nuclear radiation.
Joseph J. Mangano is a public health administrator and researcher {who was the court appointed doctor to study the Three Mile Island Disaster} who has studied the connection between low-dose radiation exposure and subsequent risk of diseases such as cancer and damage to newborns. He has published numerous articles and letters in medical and other journals in addition to books, including Low Level Radiation and Immune System Disorders: An Atomic Era Legacy.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28347
TJ
i think one big problem governments face when disaster strikes whether earthquakes, floods, tornadoes, tsunamis or nuclear meltdown is where to evacuate millions of people as habitable land shrinks and (human) populations grow.
as i watched the disturbing video provided at the top, i noticed a google warning, "these things matter". i guess that means "don't go nosin' around in matters that your beeswax! we're watching every word you type!"
the people doing the spying are the ones who ought be in jail
because it does matter...and thank all the gods that a few brave people are sticking out their necks and protesting this crap
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2011/06/21/are-babies-d...
" Greatest human disaster...biggest coverup in human history... A lot of us aren't going to survive this..."?
Can you let this claim go now or will you just keep repeating the big lie that "14,000 now updated to 20,000 Americans have been likely killed by this thing."? We heard it before several times. Please give it a rest.
I've been aware of the Scientific American rebuttal, after all, I was the one who supplied you the global research link, remember? You really are quite a "Spin Doctor" aren't you? Scientific American is nothing but a layman's rag. It's for entertainment value only. No doctor references Scientific American to treat his radiation patients. I checked out this editor Michael Moyer you keep holding up as an authority on radiation morbidity, with his shrill "Voodoo Science" declarations and amateur excel spreadsheet, and found out he is just a recycled JOURNO from another BS rag: "Popular Science."
Let's see, who am I going to believe here? Your hack Journalist who has ZERO years in the field of Nuclear Medicine and Epidemiology, or Phd's and M.D.'s who have been studying and now testifying to Congress/and or the Government about the deadly effects of Radiation on young life forms their whole lives, including the Three Mile Island Disaster?
I bet I know who you're going to pick! The uneducated bozo who used to publish trash in "Popular Science" about "How you can build a Submarine/Airplane/Spaceship/Time Machine in your very own garage for less than 100 dollars!"
You have less than zero concept of what Science is, imho, or even how it is really carried out. It appears to me, you get your science research training from Faux News or something. Next time you don't want to embarrass yourself this way, cite credible publications from PhD's and M.D.'s or papers or periodicals by the Medical Community, since this report is a question of Nuclear Medicine and Epidemiology, not Pretend-"Garage-Hovercraft and the Power-tools you can build them with."
No, I won't disregard a very credible study just because it is criticized by your "Popular Science" moron who should lose his job for playing doctor without a license. This study is not even a year old, and if no one even tries to contain Fukushima's Triple-Meltdown and Melt-Throughs we can all expect the death toll to rise dramatically as a "dirty-bomb" effectively goes off every time there is a big Earthquake at Daichi. Now this study may turn out not to be correct, but it is a credible submission by one of the only men in the country to have actually plotted the effects of a Nuclear Power Meltdown and breach of containment for the Federal Court System and the Congress. In the next five to fifteen years, his QUALIFIED, colleagues will attempt through the Medical Peer System to duplicate and verify his data, methods and conclusions and either support his Theory or refute it with the aid of additional studies.
TJ
No, this statement is untrue. It is not "obvious to anyone" as you claim. In actual fact, a number of posters to the SA Michael Moyer rebuttal article dispute your unqualified technical editor's oversimplified assertions.
For example:
ocifferdave 7:31 pm 06/21/2011
Credit to Joviation at enenews.com for clarifying that the increase is actually higher than 35% when compaired to same weeks in 2010. Darn!
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn06172011.html
The second item in this Counterpunch article [not a pro-nuke mouthpiece] discusses the data manipulation. They had their own statistician “Pierre Sprey” review the selected set, and expand it.
“Sprey reviewed the data and confirmed that if you accept the sample cities that Sherman and Mangano picked, and also if you accept comparing 4 weeks before the March 11 Fukushima disaster and 10 weeks afterwards, then Sherman and Mangano’s calculations are valid.
One of the CounterPunch critics pointed out that using four weeks before and ten weeks afterwards “looked like cherry-picking the data.” To overcome this potential bias, Sprey collated the death numbers for the ten week period before, then did the calculations comparing infant deaths for ten weeks before and ten weeks afterwards for the same eight cities. His result was a statistically insignificant difference in deaths per week before and after- an increase of infant deaths of only 2.4 per cent. To further guard against the possibility of some seasonal effect due to comparing a period earlier in the spring with one later in the spring, Sprey also compared the ten weeks after Fukishima with the identical weeks in 2010. He found exactly the same result: a 2.4 per cent increase in infant deaths over the prior year which, given 128 deaths in the ten week sample, is entirely insignificant statistically.
But then Sprey went further and looked at the Sherman/Mangano selection of eight cities from the 122 reporting to CDC….Sprey elected to look at smaller, geographically consistent groupings of cities. The results were striking.
Simply by moving the boundary line northward from Santa Cruz Sprey found that the four northernmost Pacific Northwest cities in the CDC sample – Portland, Tacoma, Seattle and Spokane – show remarkably significant results – a larger infant mortality increase than the original Sherman-Mangano results.
During the ten weeks before March 11 those four cities suffered 55 deaths among infants less than one year old. In the ten weeks after Fukushima 78 infants died – a 42 per cent increase and one that is statistically significant. To confirm once again that these results were not due to seasonality Sprey compared these infant deaths in the ten weeks after Fukushima to the deaths in the equivalent ten weeks a year earlier. (continued in the article link).
Link to this 4. ocifferdave 7:32 pm 06/21/2011 (…continued)
The results were almost identical with the ten weeks before Fukushima in 2011. Within the equivalent ten weeks of 2010 53 infants died in these four cities.
The post-Fukushima deaths are 47 per cent higher than they were in the same period a year before – once again statistically significant. If you add Boisie, Idaho to the four city sample the results remain almost unchanged.”
Link to this 5. ocifferdave 7:34 pm 06/21/2011
BTW, you have to scroll down a screen or so to get to the baby death article that is on the same page as the Weiner article....
...Link to this 8. episto 9:19 pm 06/21/2011
This criticism is also flawed, as it assumes by omission that the level of radionuclides from Fukushima were deposited equally on all cities where data was collected. Without this as a variable in a study, any analysis is flawed. Oddly enough, the highest spike in infant mortality was in Pennsylvania, where the highest bequerel count was noted by the EPA. UNQUOTE
And I've repeatedly shown you in prior threads that the radiation detected the first few weeks of the disaster was hidden from the public and discovered later as raw EPA data. Means cover-up. But once again, as the Watergate burglers found out: "It's not the crime that gets you in trouble: it's the coverup afterwards."
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/21/radioactive-fukushima-pluton...
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=562587
Read it yourself, don't take my word.
No, No, No, Son. A Scientific Study cannot be discredited as you claim by an anonymous poster on a non-medical physics forum named "Spunky Monkey".
You're from a marketing firm on Madison Avenue aren't you? Because you sure as hell don't know anything about science or integrity, imho.
That is why they are practicing Voodoo Science.
The only Credible peer-reviewed science that has been offered at all in this thread was the global research site by me because it had a direct link to the peer-reviewed study by Joseph J. Mangano. I thought readers would be smart enough to figure that out. I thought the global research OPINION was interesting because it was balanced and it would provide a lively discussion, which it did. The source study was published in the prestigious science journal: "International Journal of Health Services", Volume 42, Number 1, Pages 47–64, 2012, under the title:
The Nuclear Industry and Health
AN UNEXPECTED MORTALITY INCREASE IN
THE UNITED STATES FOLLOWS ARRIVAL OF THE
RADIOACTIVE PLUME FROM FUKUSHIMA:
IS THERE A CORRELATION?
Joseph J. Mangano and Janette D. Sherman
Everything else is just eyewash, posted by popular lay press Journos like you fell in love with, and blogs of even less credibility, but which sometimes (esp., In Japan) provide interesting clues and cite local newspapers and local citizen accounts that none of us ever hear of in the MSM in the States. In Epidemiology, certain research methodologies are adopted that would exclude individuals in the CDC data for certain reasons, or certain time frames due to other events we are not privy to, like known leaks at other plants or forrest fires downwind of Chernobyl for example, that may have contaminated the results of the study since they were nuking the world independently, as a possible example. Peer researchers would get those methodologies from the research team and with their backgrounds in Nuclear Medicine, try to duplicate the raw data calculations that are not in this published report that is available to us. That's how credible research is carried out. Not by lay people on the internet without either qualification nor training in Epidemiology screaming Voodoo science.
Now I noticed you pro-nuke trolls have never even used that word once: Epidemiology. So it's clear to me the only Voodoo going on around here is PR firm trolls pretending to be qualified to criticize esteemed researchers before their learn-ed colleagues have even had a few years to review this study and try to repeat the results of the populations hit with documented Radioactive Fukushima Plumes in USA.
Until that happens, it is a valid study by qualified researchers that indicates Fukushima is a deadly hazard to all life forms; especially those who are rapidly dividing their cell colonies, like fetuses and children.
TJ
http://www.epa.gov/radnet/index.html
Call me and Mr. Ianetta 'trolls' all you like, but name-calling doesn't carry the argument. The Fukushima accident is now well-contained despite your fear-mongering about "bombs" going off in the event of a future earthquake. The heat source responsible for past releases, radioactive fission product, has decayed for 10 1/2 months so the risk for further releases beyond the Prefecture is zero.
Really? So what are the current radiation levels in the ocean waters near the reactor buildings?
If you find any information on recent seawater measurements near the plant post them. I'd love to be proven wrong.
"Fukushima Ocean Radiation Was 50 Million Times Above Normal, But No Threat: Scientists
• Radiation Still Leaking Into Ocean
• Concern About Marine Sediments
Last April, about a month after the Fukushima nuclear accident, concentrations of cesium-137 in the ocean near the plant peaked at 50 million times above normal levels, according to a study by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Society."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2011/12/12/fukushima-ocean-radia...
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2012/01/26/Fukushima-radiation-could-be-...
That is of course a big "if" for which there is no basis at this point. There certainly was contamination of the ocean in those months immediately following the accident and it is good that others are studying the environmental issue that it presents. I looked at your forbes and upi references and thank you for them. The uranium soluability issue is interesting, but the facts are that uranium in most of its reactor-related isotopes is so long-lived as to be a chemical hazard as a heavy metal rather than a radiological hazard qua its radiation dose.
Yet another Copulate-Up at Fukushima: http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jan2012/2012-01-30-01.html
'This is the greatest human disaster we've ever had; coupled with the biggest coverup in human history. A lot of us aren't going to survive this. !4,000 now updated to 20,000 Americans have been likely killed by this thing, according to Doctor Janette Sherman, M.D. and Joseph J. Mangano.
Thanks for the URL; I checked it out! Here's the URL for the complete report in PDF format:
http://www.radiation.org/reading/pubs/HS42_1F.pdf
No, the authors do not claim that the Fukushima accident was the cause of any deaths (or even illnesses). The URL that you gave has a video in which Thom Hartmann interviews one of the study's authors (Dr. Janette Sherman). Near the end of the interview, she says "It takes 10 half-lives for an isotope to be completely gone." Does that inspire confidence in you regarding the authors' knowledge? The study uses data from the CDC "Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report". No morbidity data were given, only mortality numbers. The number of reported deaths was given in 104 US cities during the 14-week period immediately BEFORE March 19, 2011, and for the same period immediately AFTER that date. Also, the number of reported deaths in 119 US cities was given for the same time periods in 2010. The above was given for "all ages" and also for "infants".
From those data alone, the authors claimed that there were 3,286 "excess" deaths, meaning 3,286 more than was to be expected. Then, assuming 2,450,000 deaths during 2011, the number of "excess" deaths in the US was extrapolated to 13,983. The authors assume that the radiation cloud from Fukushima hit mainland US on March 11, but do not give a bit of evidence to support a causal relationship between the radioactivity in it and the increase in the CDC numbers. The authors point out that the CDC reports are voluntary, and that the report dates are those of the SIGNING of the death certificate, not the date of death. Much of the report deals with Chernobyl, and I cannot understand the reasoning behind the calculation of "excess" deaths.
John
http://www.nnistar.com/gmap/fukushima.html
There are data about the US levels at the US EPA, and as well at the University of California at this site:
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/UCBairsampling
Even the anti-nuclear ENENews web site has referenced all sorts of data, usually with a slant however. So the idea of a cover-up surpressing the data is malarky.
Indeed only two selected SPEEDI simulation maps from the Prime Minister's Office were used in the decision to only evacuate 20 km from Daichi. 167 other SPEEDI simulations showing high radiation levels disappeared and were not used in the gov's radiation survey target areas later, nor their dangerous concentric evacuation areas (not accounting for wind) of only 20km (and only 10 at Daini plant 10 miles to the South). The US state department knew there was a cover-up and thankfully ordered all US citizens to Evacuate who were within 80 km (50 miles) of the plant. Here is just one account of the shenanigans that go on with the Japanese nuke/gov:
防護服の男（１０）口止めされた警察官
Men in Protective Clothing (10) Policeman who was told to be quiet
関場和代（５２）は３月１４日、会津若松市の親類宅に避難した。家は菅野みずえの家に近い浪江町南津島にあった。
Kazuyo Sekiba (age 52) moved to her relative's house in Aizu Wakamatsu City on March 14. Her house was in Minami Tsushima in Namie-machi, close to Mizue Kanno's house.
その後も避難指示がないため４月２日、ひとまず自宅に戻った。数日して、家の前に自衛隊のジープがとまり、隊員が降りてきた。安否確認で来たという。
But since there was no formal instruction to evacuate, she came back home on April 2. Several days later, a Self Defense Force jeep stopped in front of her house, and a SDF soldier alighted from the jeep. He said he came to make sure the residents were safe.
そのころ浪江町の放射線量が高いことが報道されていた。それが心配で、おそるおそる尋ねた。
Around that time, it was being reported that the radiation level in Namie-machi was high. Worried, she asked the soldier nervously.
「この辺の線量はどのくらいですか」。隊員はにっこり笑い、ここは大丈夫だと答えた。
"What is the radiation level around here?" The solder smiled brightly, and answered it was all right.
「私たちは線量計を付けています。１日にどのくらい線量を浴びたか分かるんですよ」。和代はそれで安心した。家に閉じこもるのをやめ、近所に出かけていった。
"We are fitted with dosimeter. We know how much radiation we get every day." Kazuyo was relieved. She stopped staying indoors all the time, and went about in the neighborhood.
４月１７日。近くの橋の上にいると、男が近づいてきた。フリージャーナリストの豊田直巳（５５）だった。和代が、自宅の線量を測ってほしいと頼んだ。豊田は敷地のあちこちを測りはじめた。
April 17. When she was on the bridge near her house, a man approached her. He was Naomi Toyoda (age 55), a freelance journalist. Kazuyo asked him if he could measure the radiation at her house. Toyoda started to measure at various locations at her house.
玄関の雨どいの下を測ったとき、豊田が「ワッ、これは大変だ！」と叫んで立ち上がった。
After he measured the level under the rain gutter at the front entrance, Toyoda stood up in surprise, shouting "Oh my goodness!"
ためらう豊田に、和代は「本当のこといってください」と頼んだ。
Kazuyo begged the hesitant Toyoda. "Please tell me the truth."
「２時間いたら、１ミリ吸います」と豊田は答えた。
"If you stay here for 2 hours, you will get 1 millisievert", answered Toyoda.
豊田によると、そのときの線量は毎時５００マイクロシーベルトを超えていた。２時間いただけで年間許容量の１ミリシーベルトを超える値だ。
According to Toyoda, the radiation level was over 500 microsieverts/hour. If one remained there for 2 hours, he/she would get more than 1 millisievert which was the annual radiation exposure limit set by the government.
具体的な数字を初めて聞かされ、大変なことだと初めて自覚した。和代はあわてて身支度し、豊田に見送られて家を飛び出した。
On hearing the actual number for the first time, Kazuyo realized this was a big deal. She hastily packed her belongings and fled the house as Toyoda saw her off.
数日後、ネコを引き取りに再び家に帰った。警視庁のパトカーが敷地に入ってきた。
Several days later, she came back to get her cat. A police patrol car came in.
「ここって高かったんですね」と３０代ぐらいの警察官に聞いてみた。
"So the radiation was high here, wasn't it?" She tried to draw information out of the policeman who looked in his 30s.
「そうなんです、高いですよ。でも政府から止められていていえなかったんです」
"Yes it was. But we couldn't tell you because the government told us not to."
警察官はそう答えた。
The policeman answered.
和代はびっくりした。ジープの自衛官がいったことは何だったのか。
Kazuyo was shocked. Then what was it that the SDF soldier had told her?
「もし自分の家族だったら、同じことがいえますか。真っ先に逃がすでしょう。私らのことは、しょせんひとごとなんですかね」
"Would he have said the same thing to his family members? No. He would have made them escape as soon as possible. But us, we are just strangers, I guess."
７月、中国の高速鉄道事故で証拠隠しが発覚した。日本のメディアは中国政府の対応を厳しく批判した。和代は腹が立ってくる。
In July, the Chinese government was found hiding the evidence of the high-speed rail accident. The Japanese media heavily criticized the response by the Chinese government. Kazuyo was angry.
「日本だって同じじゃないの」
"It's the same thing in Japan."
（前田基行） (Reporting by Motoyuki Maeda)
====================================
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/10/must-read-asahi-shinbun-trap-of_24.html More lies and coverups here: http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/
The standards against which a decision to evacuate are made are based upon the whole body equivalent dose. In that calculation process the doses to the lower legs are not given any importance compared to the balance of the body. Thus it was also prudent, in order to avoid vast over-evacuation, that the readings be taken exactly as they were at those distances above the surface of the ground.
As to the anecdotal reports, of course there were a wide mix of meter-readers with varying understanding of the situation and the technical issues. One hundred thousand people were evacuated under emergency circumstances so this is not going to be a scientifically accurate situation for every member of the public. The U.S, recommendation in hindsight was overly severe, and notice that it too was based upon a circular pattern. In hindsight arm-chair critics half-way around the world can poke holes in the Japaneses response but overall I would say they did a good job in protecting the health of the population near the plant.
The reporter described in your second posting and who developed thyroid cancer is a bogus allegation. The minimum latent period between exposure to radiation and the clinical detection of the disease is 5 years for that type of cancer. So he had the disease latent in his body far before the accident occured.
Hair falling out is a sign of life-threatening acute radiation exposure far above anything that happened to any member of the public. Shedding of teeth is not even relevant to the situation. So exaggerate to your hearts content, TJ. Open-minded, intelligent progressives see through your scare-mongering.
You can tell the person who made this uninformed statement has never been to Japan. Japanese sleep on mats on the floor not even ONE INCH off the ground. They don't sit on chairs: they six cross legged on the floor and outside at ZERO INCHES off the ground. They lie down in the grass to be with nature. These government one meter up-in-the-air readings are invalid deception. They are too far from the radioisotope source laying on the ground to record the actual radiation people are being exposed to. Only a sick mind would try to defend something so sinister, imho.
The 63 year old anchorman eating Fukushima produce on TV did not have Thyroid Cancer: He had acute lymphocytic leukemia, see my other post for the correction.
No, the US did not over react in evacuating all 80 km, they under reacted :
US Government Considered Evacuation of 90,000 US Citizens in Tokyo, EX-SKF, August 17, 2011:
From Yomiuri Shinbun [Translation] (10:30PM JST 8/17/2011):
The US government was considering the plan to evacuate all 90,000 US citizens living in Tokyo right after the Fukushima I Nuclear power Plant accident, according to a new book [...] written by Kevin Maher, former Japan Desk director at the US State Department. [...]
The subject of evacuating the US citizens was raised in the early hours on March 16 (local time). The US had already knew about the unusually high temperature of the reactors from the Global Hawk data, and determined that “the fuel has already melted”. [...] The US high-ranking officials wanted to evacuate the US citizens (from Tokyo) but the local officials including Maher objected, as “it would severely undermine the US-Japan alliance”. [...]
Maher denies making disparaging remarks, Japan Times, August 18, 2011:
Kevin Maher, a former senior U.S. diplomat sacked in March after allegedly making derogatory remarks about Okinawans, on Wednesday denied ever making the comments and accused the reporter who broke the story of breaching journalistic standards. [...]
Maher was removed from his post March 10, the day before the Great East Japan Earthquake, but was immediately called in to help lead the State Department’s disaster-relief task force. [...]
http://enenews.com/book-govt-considering-plan-evacuate-all-90000-citizen...
And for your enlightenment, I did not exaggerate anything in my posts. I am merely relaying the posts of the people of Japan who are describing that everyone is sick and their previously healthy bodies are falling apart. Unlike some arm-chair-expert, Pro-Nuke trolls who have never even been to the Orient, I am living in Asia and am told by Japanese when they can get the words out just how horrible it is.
Nuclear power is not the Disneyland they tell you about.
The evacuation and dose to public is correctly based upon outdoor readings where most people are found to be in the upright (homo sapien) posture.
Either way as to what type of cancer the gentleman experienced, whatever cancers have or will occur in the two year following the accident of March 2011 cannot plausibly be attributed to Fukushima. No epidemiological studies have ever found a latent period of less than 2 years for radiation-induced cancer.
The subsequent fallout patterns showed that the evacuation zones were prudently chosen by the local Japanese authorities. Very few people who lived outside the Japan-designated zones were exposed beyond the conservative dose criteria and the doses in Tokyo were trivial.
Suuurrrrrrrre, your statement is completely logical here: "The evacuation and dose to public is correctly based upon outdoor readings where most people are found to be in the upright (homo sapien) posture."
Yeah that's makes a lot of sense, rigggghhhhht. We all know from our own personal experience everybody always keeps their pelvis's and vital organs over three feet off the ground 24/7. We never sit in chairs outside, or lie down on the grass or camp on the ground. Nooooo. Nobody ever does that, so exploding nuclear power plants are perfectly safe by your logic.
And somehow your pro-nuke ruler seems to think that children, who are more at risk that adults, walk on stilts all the time while outside. I'll bet that's how you determined that their pelvis's and vital organs are always one meter or 3.28 feet off the ground. And, according to you, no truck or bus passing by can stir up dust that will go into the paper-mache houses that have no central air filtering systems like the U.S.
Man, you are one hell of a Radiation Detective! In fact, you're a regular Radioactive Sherlock.
[sarcasm off]
TJ
These coverups and contradicting leaks of the truth went on for months. The governments testing of food was no different. They always claimed everything was safe, that they had tested the food and cleared it. Then when people started getting flu like symptoms and bloody noses, a radiation detector would show the beef or seafood was dangerously contaminated with radiation. Then, the J government comes out and admits, they only tested one out of a million seafood or rice shipments. Then, even that's "retracted", and you have shots of governors eating the beef and drinking Fukushima water on local TV.
http://enenews.com/japan-tv-host-diagnosed-acute-lymphocytic-leukemia-ea...Then the boss of Fukushima at press conferences is noted to have huge lumps and dark spots on his face and neck and winds up in the hospital in November. Tepco, when asked by the press, refuses to say what's wrong with him.
So Sunshine Pumper Trolls here want you to believe that governments never lie and that Nuclear Lobbyist never show up with suitcases full of cash to corrupt politicians and media outlets. It's quiet an absurd notion if you think about it, knowing the clear greed Wall Street has demonstrated this century. So the only people who are unbiased in this Sad Saga, imho, are the people around Fukushima and Tokyo with radiation detectors who's perfect teeth and hair are all falling out. If I showed you those gross pictures, I'm sure the trolls would endeavor to call it obscene and get the post deleted like they always do.
Nuclear Power Generation is Nuts!
TJ
Guys, it's my humble suspicion that we are under a concerted disinformation campaign by a paid boiler room somewhere. Every time I go to verify claims they make, the links provided, if any, don't say anything they claim they do. For example, One troll just made the ridiculous insinuation that Dr. Mangano's report was not about deaths caused by radioisotopes from Fukushima. He exclaimed: "No, the authors do not claim that the Fukushima accident was the cause of any deaths (or even illnesses). "
But the very title of the author's study did indeed raise that exact question:
The Nuclear Industry and Health
AN UNEXPECTED MORTALITY INCREASE IN
THE UNITED STATES FOLLOWS ARRIVAL OF THE
RADIOACTIVE PLUME FROM FUKUSHIMA:
IS THERE A CORRELATION?
Joseph J. Mangano and Janette D. Sherman
Clearly they think the two go together. And the researchers note that the almost one million killed by Chernobyl, the same signature surge of fatalities ensued downwind of the disaster, making the two nuclear power plant disasters very similar in mortality rate after explosion (even though the uncontained Fukushima disaster has now surpassed Chernobyl in total radiation released.) But this is not the same thing as the story insinuated by the troll: That the researchers don't believe Fukushima did this. Such dishonest deception by these pro-nukers. They are hoping we won't read the whole report.
These Highly trained expert researchers of course don't draw a conclusion this early from such a preliminary study (This report came out less than a year after the US was showered with deadly radiation.) They do lament the fact, however, that the EPA is now hiding radiation detection station results from the public, which impedes their research.
http://www.radiation.org/reading/pubs/HS42_1F.pdf
So I think it's up to us, the public, to go to the trouble of exposing fraudulent claims by the PR firm/pro-nuke industry when we suspect them.
All my posts are just my opinions only.
Cheers, TJ
'...For example, One troll just made the ridiculous insinuation that Dr. Mangano's report was not about deaths caused by radioisotopes from Fukushima. He exclaimed: "No, the authors do not claim that the Fukushima accident was the cause of any deaths (or even illnesses). "'
'But the very title of the author's study did indeed raise that exact question:
'The Nuclear Industry and Health
AN UNEXPECTED MORTALITY INCREASE IN
THE UNITED STATES FOLLOWS ARRIVAL OF THE
RADIOACTIVE PLUME FROM FUKUSHIMA:
IS THERE A CORRELATION?
Joseph J. Mangano and Janette D. Sherman'
Of course there's a correlation, by the word's very definition. But the authors do not claim a causal relationship. It certainly seems upon reading the study that the authors feel that the Fukushima accident is at least partly responsible for a perceived increase in mortality. In the "discussion" part of the report, the authors say "The total of 155,015 U.S. deaths in the 14-week period after Fukushima, 2,722 of which are infant deaths, represents a large database that is meaningful in a preliminary analysis of potential Fukushima effects."
Clearly they think the two go together. And the researchers note that the almost one million killed by Chernobyl, the same signature surge of fatalities ensued downwind of the disaster, making the two nuclear power plant disasters very similar in mortality rate after explosion (even though the uncontained Fukushima disaster has now surpassed Chernobyl in total radiation released.) But this is not the same thing as the story insinuated by the troll: That the researchers don't believe Fukushima did this. Such dishonest deception by these pro-nukers. They are hoping we won't read the whole report
Please understand. I, John Trolletta, feel that the authors may truly believe deep down in their hearts that Fukushima was responsible for their perception. But they DID NOT (wisely perhaps) make that claim.
John
"A 63-year-old TV newscaster has been diagnosed with acute lymphocytic leukemia and is now hospitalized, getting ready for chemo. He felt a strange lump in his neck on October 28, he says. (Various news sources including: Zakzak 11/7/2011, Yomiuri Shinbun 11/6/2011) “In his morning program on Fuji TV he’s been promoting Fukushima produce by eating them in the show. He also happened to be in Fukushima in March 15. Just a coincidence. Never mind that ALL is predominant in small children, and an adult case is one in 100,000 annually in Japan.”.
Again you don't know your radiation medicine, TJ. The minimum latency period for radiation-induced leukemia of any kind is 2 years. That has been a known fact for decades. So this unfortunate TV newscaster already had this latent leukemia hidden at the time of the accident. Fukushima had nothing to do with it. Scare-mongering will get you nowhere at this website.
Wow, that is such great news RFinston... Has anyone informed the 100,000+ evacuees? Wonderful, now they will be able to go home, take off those cloth masks which won't prevnet microscopic isotopses of radioactive poisons from entering their lungs and bury all of the dead animals, the cattle, cows, sheep, aardvarks, dogs, ducks and chickens, pet cats, etc.
The farmers will be able to re-plant their crops on heavily contaminated cesium 137 soil and sell milk and soy beans that will knock your socks off. And if any have babies which are born alive, they can use them for indirect lighting, flashlights or heating pads.
I bet you aren't allowed to divulge the source of that secret information about the "near future" Finston,,, but if you are permitted,,, please do cite your source... I bet you found out the Japanese government is going to raise the radiation hazard limit from extremely hazardous to,,,,, it's safe enough, we're already overpopulated as it is.
The Japanese goernment may as well allow them to return to their homes, most will die at some later date anyway from radiation poisoning and or cancers caused from inhaled isotopes of cesium 137 or Plutonium.
Btw Mr. Fnston, what is your definition of the words "near future", 100, 200, 300 or more years?